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you know guys video card prices suck so don't use one in your next building cooler masters new master keys MKS 750 mechanical gaming keyboard features a minimalistic distraction-free design Cherry MX floating key caps magnetic removable wrist rest USB type-c in an on-the-fly system with no software making it easier for you to game smarter and not harder to learn more check out the links in the description below so what happens when Rison and Vega make love and have a baby while you get the rise in 320 200 G and the rise in 5 2400 G both of these are rise in CPUs with Vega graphics integrated into them this is a big deal because we have not seen an integrated GPU into a mainstream CPU from AMD in quite a while sure we've had the FM sockets and ap use and all that stuff but this this is literally going to be a godsend to people trying to build a system in 2018 and get around the god-awful pricing of video cards so today's video is gonna be more based on trying to put together a system that's based on no GPU whatsoever and seeing how well you can actually game in 2018 without actually having a video card now I did a video on something similar all the way back in 2013 looking at AMD's AP which was a Kaveri based CPU so if you guys want to go and watch that video first or after this whatever you can kind of see how far we've come since 2013 or the last five years so this is pretty this is pretty awesome to see what is coming out of AMD's corner and this isn't even rise n2 don't do not confuse this for Rison second gen this is just a progression of an already amazing platform giving price to performance for buyers and right now when it comes to graphic card pricing I don't think this could have been launched at a better time so for the build today because we're not buying a video card I kind of decide to put that money into some other things that would allow you to have a pre kick-ass system out of the box and then you can add a graphics card to it later and we will do a follow-up where we add a graphics card to this to see just how much your experience can improve if graphics card pricing improves so we're gonna be putting the risin three for now we're gonna be using the risin five 2400 G now I may be pairing this with an MSI B 350m gaming micro ATX motherboard and here's the best part about the 2400 GT the 2200 G whichever models you get I hope does it arise in seven version coming is the fact that you don't have to change your motherboard to upgrade in the future where before you'd use the FM sockets to take advantage of the Kaveri APU or the FX socket if you want to take advantage of their mainstream CPUs but now you have them in one platform giving you some mix a lot of future compatibility so I'm also gonna be pairing this with some Flair X ddr4 probably the most expensive piece in the system is going to be memory in terms of like cost per whatever it cost per 4 gigabyte ram is still kind of high but remember we're not spending these stupid two and a half times inflated pricing and video cards so we've got 16 gigabytes of 3,200 memory now the reason why we want a decent amount of memory and decently decent fast memories one as you know the Infinity fabric and the entire architecture of Rison takes advantage of memory speed and because we're dealing with an APU we're gonna see gains with fast memory as well so that's why you don't want to scrimp on your memory I want to keep things fairly reasonable though in terms of pricing so we've got a cooler master master what 550 semi modular power supplied more than enough power to power an APU like overkill for an APU but future compatibility once again with graphics cards so that we can put a discrete graphics card in here and not worry about having not enough power if we went with something like a 400 watt and we've got the master box light T G this is a tempered glass case for right around the $50 price range that's one of the reasons why I want this you it's a mini 8 or mini a or micro ATX motherboard compatible case so that's why we're using an M ATX motherboard there are other cases out there obviously in this price range or cheaper if you want to use a full ATX so just something to keep in mind if you're kind of mimicking this build this is a micro ATX only we've got ourselves here a 250 gigabyte Samsung SATA SSD and then I've got a 2 terabyte Seagate Barracuda Drive 7200 rpm Drive we are gonna be using the cooling that comes with the Vega APU here so we're gonna be using the the in box cooler and then what else we got right here we got are we missing anything I keep it feels like we're missing some things we don't have a graphics card right I also decide to up the cooling this only comes with one exhaust fan on the back I am adding two Corsair AF 140 fans on the front these are not the cheapest fans but you can obviously adjust your pricing and the parts you pick based on your budget so with all that said let's go ahead and start building and see exactly how well this performs I have not tested any of this yet I'm gonna be finding out with you guys in real time 328 am a lot of time has passed since the intro of this video and I am just okay fine so we switched to vlog modes and kinda show you what's going on as you can see the system is a little different than we first showed I've got a different cooler on there this is the Noctua cooler that was sent with the original risin pieces last year when dries in first lunch it's a different motherboard too as you can see it's the ITX motherboard it was the ITX motherboard that they sent with the unit I didn't want to do an ITX bill I they're really pushing the whole ITX thing right now because it's newer stuff for them but I don't think most people will be running out and buying an overpriced ITX board so I didn't want to really do that the thing is that they didn't have official supported BIOS yet for Raven Ridge even though the msi website has a Raven Ridge BIOS AMD was very adamant that I don't use that and that motherboard the irony is it actually worked because I'm gonna show you right now is what I'm dealing with and why I've now switched to vlog mode and not gonna actually be able to give you any numbers on this on today's video we'll be doing a follow up anyway the way ap use work is they share system memory because it's not a graphics card member a graphics card is just another computer inside of a computer it's got a GPU process is that processing in it it's got its own memory it's got some power delivery and it's basically a computer inside of the computer that handles all of the video processing ap use when they are stacked inside of a CPU they have to share resources with the system so if we go over here to settings and we look at advanced when we go here to integrated graphics figuration you can see we're set to IgD our integrated graphics we're set to force and 2g of video memory so 2g or 2 gigabytes of video memory is allocated to the APU by default 512 megabytes is what is set to the APU because all its kind of set to do from the factory is just turn on and give you an image desktop stuff like that if you want to go into this gaming mode you need more memory now what I got through my benchmarks at least with the 512 because I was gonna do 3 different settings for this benchmark I was gonna do straight up out of the box with the slow memory the 512 megabytes of memory allocated to the APU and no overclocking on the CPU whatsoever and the average frame rates for that was Metro last light was giving us a nineteen point five nine frames per second in 1080p medium I was getting twelve point three nine frames per second average and Tomb Raider or rise of the Tomb Raider medium settings in DX twelve times pi gave me a graphic score 522 firestrike gave me a graphic score fifteen hundred and thirty five dirt rally and medium settings an average of twenty three point three six frames per second so terrible absolutely terrible that's not anything anyone would want to you know actually write home about and say I've got a good gaming computer but that's because it's being limited by its vram obviously 512 megabytes of VRAM is not enough for 1080p obviously so that's why two gigs is important now that's the most that you can get it and we've got sixteen gigabytes of RAM actually in the system you can see right there now if we go ahead and save that it's two G so we have two gigs of video RAM set to the APU let me show you what we're experiencing alright so while we're loading up I'm gonna do rise of the Tomb Raider it's got a pretty consistent benchmark one that I use quite often when I'm doing my graphics cards and stuff go to graphics set to medium all the medium defaults so that is something that is not too hard for a system to run now if we go ahead and go in here and just kind of launch the benchmark what I'm experiencing here is the frames per second increase big-time by going from 512 to two gigabytes as expected because we're not choking it - where it can't actually render textures because it doesn't have enough buffer but what I'm experiencing here is and keep in mind this is still with these stock settings for the CPU and the memory so if I go in here to the benchmark look at the delay first of all there's this huge input delay on when the menu reacts so that's something I've noticed but what you're gonna see is the benchmark is gonna run how far it gets is is it differentiates randomly it's kind of random on when it crashes but it will crash and give me just a solid black screen we'll call it the black screen of death frames per second right here is actually not terrible it's probably in the 30s or 40s keep in mind I have not sped up system memory which affects apu i've not sped up the cpu this is just adding more vram to the apu so it increased quite a bit this is obviously thin there goes there it is it doesn't matter what I do it doesn't matter what game I'm running I have reset factory defaults I have reinstalled the BIOS I have reinstalled the graphics driver I've been on the phone with AMD the problem is it's it's a weekend so there's not really anybody in the engineering side that can help me and it's frustrating because it wasn't I wasn't getting these problems when I was using my be 350 gaming board which is this guy right here when I was using this guy so I'm gonna kind of leave it to Nick real quick you think I should install this motherboard back in there and see if our problems go away let's Friendly's narrow it down to a motherboard yeah yeah okay we'll do that real quick there we go as the build progressively gets more and more ugly and unless cable managed because I honestly don't care anymore at this point let's see if it only at least make it through a test with the unsupported motherboard which as you can see is indeed giving us a picture there we go see the difference - is it doesn't have that forced in auto mode and yes I tried the force and auto and blah blah blah but whatever we're set to 2g and we even have an overclock on this one right now we are set to 3.8 XMP profile we're set to 3200 with our graphics Corsa to will set it to 1250 No there we go 12:50 because that is what the factory speed is on that 1250 is like what the turbo clock is supposed to be my eyes red can I feel red looking at this all day alright so I'm basically doing now is I'm ruling out the possibility of a bad CPU by changing out the motherboard and I I honestly think it's the motherboard look at the FPS already up in the 50s as it's moving so quickly but it's badly at 55 this is way better than we were seeing on the ITX board isn't it okay I'm gonna let this run I'm gonna see if it gets through the test if it gets through the test maybe I will just continue my testing with this motherboard nobody asterisk that it's not the board that AMD sent me I kind of like doing tests on boron product that's not sent to me direct by the manufacturer because of the idea of cherry-picking and stuff but based on the experience I've been having so far I don't think we can call this one cherry-picked so I got through all the tests with an asterisk because this is not the motherboard they sent me and they did tell me that this motherboard does not have the latest BIOS which is gonna give a little more of an advantage to the APU there's some maturity that's gonna have to happen here but we saw some pretty solid gains I mean you got it was nearly double when we went from the 512 to the 2 gigs without changing any clock speeds and then I overclocked it to one thousand three hundred and seventy-five megahertz on the APU 3.8 gigahertz on the CPU and the memory from the base 21 33 I think it was up to 3200 so we saw some pretty solid gains you guys might have noticed there was a blank spot there on rise of the Tomb Raider and if I show you here it refuses to actually launch see I get this error so with it overclocked that game refuses to lunch but what I want to do here is I want to kind of show you some live gameplay at least real quick with something like doom something has the Vulcan API which is actually really good with lower end hardware just to kind of see what where things actually go I love dooms simply because it's one of those titles that will literally run on anything okay so in 1920 by 1080 anti-aliasing we're gonna turn that to like fxaa motion blur medium that's fine I guess vertical sync is on FPS is not looking too solid right here though that's for sure what are the presets okay well we're set to ultra first of all hey wait we don't want to ultra this why is it an ultra maybe that's we played on last time okay medium settings it's gonna restart the game ultra why no no no no okay so looks like if we just we just went for low settings here I mean what we explored right I mean let's see what happens here we just go low settings no graphics card it's locked too kind of 60fps but I think that's a menu thing so let's just see what happens we get into the game remember there's no graphics card that's important to remember here 50 FPS 1080p low settings Oh at the end of the level you want to try something here what if I go to like 720p settings and if we turn off anti-aliasing like altogether I mean it's about as low as it can go we can't uh they lock up they locked up on us guys I'm just gonna go ahead and end it right there because that's unfortunate I mean this is unfortunate been our experience now we're gonna circle back here I've been in contact with AMD I've told them that I'm gonna show the experiences here and they're like okay that's fair this is what I'm experiencing I mean it's completely locked up right now now there's a little bit of an overclock on there remember we're not running oh and there it goes right there video failure okay well this it kind of figured out what went wrong hunk so anyway we're gonna circle back on this this has been my experience here but I can tell you this if you if you just look at Cinebench as well this this CPU the 2400 G is designed specifically to replace the 1400 the Rison 5 1400 and it's doing a good job of it it's faster in Cinebench by a significant amount and as we overclock it it just pulls way ahead obviously so would I recommend this this apu given the experiences i'm having so far the answer is yes and let me explain why again you're getting better cpu performance even just from the cpu spot side of things where now you were talking about the graphics card then you would get with a risin 5 1400 for the same price that's the biggest thing this this is advertised it being a hundred and $69 CPU the $99 part we'll look at in another video the 2200 g the Rison 3 4 cores 4 threads this is a four core eight thread with a built-in apu that can actually play games I mean it's not gonna play them you know like like a discreet graphics card it's not gonna be able to crank the settings just because it says Vega don't think it's like they took a Vega you know stacked 3d Ram and stuck it inside this no it's it's much better than anything you get on the intel part that's for sure intel has never been known for APU graphics but I want to circle back here and see what kind of maturity we get this feels a lot like when the rise and launch first happened how there was a lot of weird things going on I know this has been kind of a fragmented incomplete video but my experience has been fragmented and incomplete and I've been at this today for like 12 hours today alone it is what it is guys will circle back tell me what you guys think below if you're looking at trying to get into games but you don't want to buy a graphics card right now you can actually do that with this part and then as the GPU market hopefully stabilizes and the prices come back down to normal you can throw a GPU in here and have a very good experience just as if it was another Rison part without the integrated graphics so it's not like you have to change your platform like I said the start of this video it's not like you have a different socket for an APU and a different socket for your CPU this is a part that can grow with you so that's kind of where this really is going to shine not necessarily this standalone replacement for graphics cards but definitely something that can grow with you and at least get you started while this pricing for graphics cards is completely upside-down anyway I'm gonna go there will be a follow-up to this again I'm sorry that I've had all these problems but I can't help it it is what it is and that's been my experience it's unfortunate but I think all in all at the end of the day with a motherboard that was not fully supported it's actually performing pretty well all right guys we're gonna go thanks for watching and tell me what you think down below and I will see you guys in the next one