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Overclocking the 4790k with Watercooling - Is it worth it?

2014-07-14
what's up guys js2 sends here and i'm pretty damn excited not because we're going to talk about overclocking 4970 k cpu 7 80s 3-way monitors and all that crap on this channel but that's because this channel is about to cross 100,000 subscribers 100,000 pc latest like me who think that pc gaming and pc tinkering and overclocking is just a whole lot of fun so with that i want to go ahead and start this video by saying thank you each and every one of you for making this channel what it is today because without you guys this channel would be absolutely nothing but a very dark cobweb filled cricket chirping room which it it actually is anyway but you guys make it all that much better well guys I have spent the last three days putting together an overclocking review for you guys here regarding me 4790k now before we get started we need to go ahead and address the elephant in the room and no I'm not talking about barn achlys he already went home to Seattle now I'm just kidding guys Jerry is actually a very good friend of mine but if you want to poke a little fun go ahead and head over to Twitter and say hey Jerry Jay said you're an elephant and let's just see what he says and how long it takes him to figure it out that should be fun there's a benchmark for you alright alright all go ahead get back on topic here the elephant in the room for me is actually why did I upgrade from a 3770k to a 4790k I mean really the upgrade was going to be minimal and marginal at best and to many it might seem like a downright waste of money and with that said I think a lot of you might be a hundred percent accurate when you say that but remember guys I do this because I want to bring you a first-hand experience review I don't want to just talk about things I've read on the internet or other first-hand experiences I want to experience it myself so I can give you what my two cents are you see see what I did there deep DC reddit I want to give you my two cents on how I feel about this processor so that I can speak with first hand unbiased experience now the setup I'm using for this obviously project skunk works right here is a pretty big deal if you guys want to learn more about that system go ahead and click right here and it will take you over to the bill vlogs that I did actually have more than an hour worth of vlog footage of me putting that together you might find it interesting but if you don't care about any of that and you just want to get to the meet into the numbers well then go ahead and stick around and listen what I have to say the 4790k does bring some improvements over the 4770k but remember guys the architecture and the platform of the die in the chip itself is exactly the same as the 4770k so the very first disappointing statement I need to tell you guys is that it's not a whole lot better in terms of overclocking and stability when it comes to the 4770k where Intel made its improvements is in the thermal capabilities of the chip by improving the Tim or the thermal interface material between the integrated heat spreader and the die and they also beefed up the capacitors in the transistors on the chip itself to give a more stable power delivery now remember guys codename Haswell is a brand new architecture for Intel they've never done anything like this and they move the memory controller off the motherboard and on to the chip so there is a whole lot going on inside of there which is why the 4790k was a refresh that I think Intel really needed to bring to market now the 4790k is a pretty decent overclocker in fact I was able to achieve over 4.9 gigahertz stable when it comes to a 264 running for an hour but the problem was I wasn't able to get there but overclocking strictly on the multiplier fact the only way I was able to get 24.9 stable is by using a multiplier of 47 and adjusting the B clock frequency to get me up over that 4.9 gigahertz threshold now eight is sixty-four benchmarks were very very stable in fact they were able to run for an hour with absolutely no problems whatsoever but I backed it off a little bit to 4.8 because I started noticing that I was getting some slight memory controller issues with the overclock so I backed it off again to a 47 multiplier and a 100 and 2.5 B clock ratio now why do I keep adjusting the B clock well the base clock or the 100 megahertz base clock that everything is calculated on when it comes to the overclocking or the speed of the CPU even stock speeds are based off of that my chip would not overclock using a 48 multiplier whatsoever my chip just completely crap so 47 multiplier was the best that I could do now the problem you often encounter when you start overclocking using the base clock is that you overclock more than just the CPU the CPU multiplier only affects the effective speed or frequency of the CPU but the base clock affects everything the CPU the memory controller even the PCI Express Lanes so once you start doing that you start messing with the way PCI Express graphics cards work and you start to mess up those over clocks if those are overclocked as well now even though I had a very stable 4.9 and even back that base clock down to four point eight one six gigahertz to see if I could gain more stability my PCI Express Lanes I started to encounter very very finicky wonky just downright gremlin type behavior from my SLI set up here with my seven 80s my overclocks went completely unstable overclock said my graphics cards have been stable for over six months just went completely trashed they just didn't work anymore so base clock overclocking just became no longer an option for me now when it comes to max temperatures on the cores I did have a max temp during a to 64 maximum stressed and heat test of an 80 83 84 and 81 on the cores now before you guys say hold this system and behind me is running in the 80s on the cores you guys have to remember what a to 64 is designed to do is designed to take floating-point units CPU calculations and the cash and just stress them as high as they possibly can during the stress test in fact it's designed to pump as much heat into your CPU as possible so it's full load and full heat testing in fact when it came to the test it was actually floating around in the low 70s high 60s and when you take the FPU out of it it actually was running the high 40s in the low 50s so temperatures on this were fantastic while gaming and doing all of my gaming benchmarking on this system things never left the 40s when it came to the CPU temperature so that is actually very impressive considering it was running at one point three volts one point three volts on a 4770k with water was still getting pretty damn hot for many people CPUs now one of the things I did to see if I was getting any real-world performance increase when it came to 3770k versus 4790k a is I went ahead and rendered that part for of project skunkworks which was nearly 30 minutes of video on vlog of mp4 and/or MOV to mp4 and overlays and sounded transitions and my 3770k took about 55 minutes to render that at 1080 pH point 2 6 for encoder now when I did the exact same video render with the 4790k it did it in 36 minutes memory speeds were actually exactly the same I'm running them at 2000 megahertz on the RAM so I would say that there was definitely an improvement there in fact that's going to save me a hell of a lot of time bringing to you guys videos over the course of owning this CPU now when it comes to gaming can you guys expect any sort of improvement likelihood the chances are no in fact my valley benchmark scores were made pretty much exactly the same but when it came to 3d mark 11 I actually got a little bit of an improvement in fact my score is a twenty-two thousand seventy nine compared to twenty-one thousand and some change of the 3770k now one of the reasons for that is the way 3d mark 11 works its CPU calculations in its cpu speed is it puts all of the physics rendering onto the CPU so my score rose directly because of the physics rendering on the CPU of the 4790k versus the 3770 now if you guys take anything from this video whatsoever take it as this if you guys are gamers and you're on a 2600 K a 2700 K 30 77047 70 this is not worth an upgrade for you it's not it's still going to run you over $300 in most places and even if you live near a Micro Center it's still going to cost you 300 with tax you're really not going to see much improvement in fact I don't recommend putting 4790k in a z87 board because my experience is with that where a lot of the z87 bios are not really up to par with this some companies maybe better than others right now but my situation with that was really really poor in fact I was not happy with it whatsoever I was very upset with the performance in fact I scrapped an entire video that I was trying to do to see if it was even worth it fact MIT will probably have made a good rage video but I digress now another thing I'm asked quite often is J I have an i-5 bla bla and the reason why I say both I don't even care what the numbers are after that is you're now comparing an i-5 to an i7 the 4790k is going to blow away any i-5 that you throw at it so if you have a motherboard that is capable of running a Devil's Canyon 4790k CPU then by all means go for it now I can't tell you guys whether or not it's going to be worth it to wait another year for the Broadwell CPU we know nothing about it or at least I know nothing about it and for all we know the z97 motherboard may not even be fully compatible with a lot of the features that Broadwell may bring to the table so if you buy a z97 motherboard now it may be similar to those who bought a z87 last year going with is Devil's Canyon CPU now is actually giving some z87 owners a lot of headache so who knows what the future is going to bring my idea on this is it's never really worth it to wait unless you're right on the edge of when we know things tend to release and that tends to be in June for CPU stuff because of Computex that's when Intel likes to debut their stuff and usually either the spring or the holiday season for GPUs that's pretty much the way I look at things so guys this has been my take on the 4790k underwater it's a fantastic CPU that's actually going to serve me very well and considering I have an L 3 revision which a lot of people have said don't overclock nearly as well as the newer L 4 I'm actually pretty excited with this I may try and get my hands on an elf or just to see if it actually makes any difference and plop it into the z97 mPower setup over there I have right over there I'm now being texted because I'm popular know the hookers and blow can wait until tomorrow send crap this thing was on you guys have some questions about 4790k I advise you to take it over to Twitter the comments section of YouTube is just so I don't it hurts my head so if you guys want to ask me a question bring it to Twitter I'll do the best I can to answer you you can also email me or head on over to Facebook I'm reachable on all of those platforms and I do the best I can to get to you guys I get hundreds of messages a week and I'm just one guy one guy with multiple personalities but I'm still just one guy no I'm saying alright guys it's time to get out of here things are getting a little bit weird of course see you guys in the next
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