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what's up guys Jase you sense here and it's that time I have spent the last 21 or 22 hours not straight I did it a little bit of a break in between benchmarking all these cards you see on the table because r-tx is here the embargo is finally lifting and now we can see firsthand why the secrecy regarding the reviews and why none of it was mentioned and what is taking so long for nvidia to even acknowledge the whole gaming and performance when it comes to rasterization so we've got your answers guys don't go anywhere but first we gotta pay some bills msi brings ultra thin gaming to life at their new GS 65 stealth the four point nine millimeter bezel 144 hertz 1080p panel nvidia graphics and 8th gen intel cpus make the new GS 65 self a true powerhouse with a small footprint find out more and how to preorder by following the link in the description below ok so here we go review time guys i'm it's been a while since I've done a GPU review actually I feel a little rusty at this is what we're gonna do we are not going to take a deep dive into the architecture and check out my friends over at gamers Nexus PC / PC world these guys do excellent architecture discussion you can learn way more than you've ever learned from me on that so we're gonna talk about what I think most people watching me are gonna care about which is just the raw performance on Pascal vs. touring and that's what we are gonna try and take a look at today I'm not going to get right to the slides but I wanna talk to you guys about a couple things with the slides real quick one I tested a very consistent sampling of stuff I did with Pascal so you're not gonna see a lot of new titles on there you're not gonna see battlefield 5 because that was in beta and the drivers weren't here yet for that you know I can see battlefield 1 you're gonna see battlefront 2 or or any of that stuff because of the fact that I wanted to test different engines so don't worry so much about the title that we used and the FPS that you're seeing worry more about the difference in performance between each card look at those differences that's where your attention should be settings are gonna vary between different media outlets and different reviewers some people are going to test on high I tested everything on the highest settings that's I like to give you guys the worst case scenario these are the lowest FPS you could probably expect as you back your settings that will go up so there's that but we tested synthetics and then off obviously built-in benchmarks and a few different titles and the newest one being shadow of the Tomb Raider so with that here are the slides and we've got a lot to talk about okay here we are we are in doom and you know why I'm testing doom because Nvidia said that they have really invested a lot of of time and effort okay here we are in doom and I'm gonna be maxing out these settings with nightmare mode and all that stuff because specifically Vulcan and that's the reason why I'm doing this test is NVIDIA has always sort of lagged behind AMD in its bulking optimization and the open source API but NVIDIA has said they have done amazing things with Vulcan in fact Vulcan is what they're using for RTX so I want to see how they're doing in Doom now as you can see we've got everything maxed out we're using SMA ace of temporal AAA or FX a or SMAW or two saw for just using SMA a so let's just get right into the game FPS is up here I'll call it out I know it's kind of hard to see we are also running 4k so let's see we got here so I'm right now seeing a hundred and thirty FPS in 4k with all settings maxed now this is a note in the nanana nanan so we are sitting in the 90s the hundreds it fluctuates a little bit obviously depends on what's happening on the scene but considering this is the sixty Hertz panel it's obviously not having any problem running it so Phil says he saw the FPS drop down as low as 70 but I then because I'm on a 60 Hertz panel clearly I don't feel that only vulnerability so I mean that's worth talking about I mean unless you have like 120 Hertz for K panel which does exist now I don't notice any of the FPS stiffening on my score dipped obviously versus my best what but whatever so that was perfectly playable that was actually pretty amazing okay so you guys saw that undo then the 4k performance in nightmare mode was pretty insane no obviously the volca Vulkan API is amazing which is why they're using it for ray tracing but unfortunately we couldn't test any of that today because guess what no titles today with the exception of a very limited demo of Final Fantasy that was sent by Nvidia which we didn't test by the way cuz I refused to use something not available to the public to do my testing because I want you guys to be able to load up your game and compare it to what you just saw right now and I want you have to wait until something becomes available rate racing isn't available neither is the LSS 2 things these cards are boasted about and it had an entire two-hour keynote about with no gaming performance metrics mentioned whatsoever is something we can't even test at the moment the cards became available so there is that but let's talk about acoustics and cooling and then we will move on to my final thoughts so the reason why I have the EVGA card sitting right here is this is a reference PCB this is the same PCB that is inside the founder's card right here the only difference is obviously they implemented a much bigger cooler and when we saw the dual fan design I think a lot of us anticipated like oh it's hot that's why they finally stepped away from the blower style because the blower style cooler basically meant you could throw the card in any case in a matter of a small form-factor or large form factor ATX whatever the cooling would have been handled entirely on itself it takes the area in exhausted out the back it doesn't care about the case airflow being able to handle the cooling of the cart it's one of the reasons why we test an open-air test bench is because the only thing dictating the performance level of the cooler on this card is the cooler itself so anything you see here is probably going to be a few degrees hotter in a case but that's why we don't test in a case because there's no case that accounts for everybody's situation out there so we only use the cooler to determine the temperatures well the dual fans like this typically they run much cooler and much quieter which is why we see them in that AI B's the problem is Nvidia really missed an opportunity here to make this an amazing product because if you take a look at the heatsink it runs the full length of the card the problem is it squishes down really tight right here where you only have my guess would be three millimeters worth of opening between the the shroud of the card and the actual heatsink where the air has to make it out because it pushes down and then has to come out besides there's no exhaust in the back so none of that air can go sideways the EVGA cards actually have holes in them I don't know if you guys remember they started this back with the icx design there's actually holds in the fins so what doesn't make it out the sides can actually blow through long ways on the card too but if you look at the bottom it's the same thing they could have left this open right here and this could have I mean it doesn't get seen it goes down in the motherboard so they could have had a lot more air come out right here but they didn't and then it squishes down again on these parts or squishes down here opens up in the front and the back underneath the fan but becomes completely blocked off by the motherboard so the only air that can escape is out the top side of the card where the logo shows but guess what if you take a look at where the power pins are dual eight pins this is blocked off to where you have a little bit of air flow in there but now you've got this much percentage less airflow so what we found was the temperatures on this card actually set at least 75 degrees under load on the stock fan curve and then when as high as 78 degrees depending on the title like 4k with super sampling and all that on testing the cooler we could see that actually rise up to almost 80 degrees in an open air test bench so unfortunately a hit and a miss in my opinion in terms of the actual functionality of this cooler the reason why I said the EVGA card is here is because this card was anywhere between 10 to 15 C cooler at the same frequencies than the founders Edition card because again it's a 2.75 slot and more than this is like triple the thickness of the heatsink that's actually in the founders card and the fans are a much better design in terms of how much air can actually move and as you can see it can breathe through all sides of the card so now let's talk about some final thoughts here because we have over 300 points of data and fanboy isms aside you can't lie with the data the data is what it is and the titles that we tested various different titles obviously with different engines and different likes and dislikes in terms of what it wants in graphics cards we saw a great great scaling with 3d mark but 3d mark is designed to do that I mean this card just dominated in 3d mark the problem is 3d mark is not realistic or indicative of what a gaming experience is like it doesn't take it doesn't really care about CPU overhead it doesn't have to worry about gaming or player models and textures and all that sort of stuff that are constantly changing it's on a track it's perfect it scales perfect that's it's one job but once you throw this into games like Shadow the Tomb Raider rise of the Tomb Raider Metro Far Cry 5 hit man it becomes a truly different story obviously 1080p becomes a bottleneck even for our 8700 K so if you're running a high refresh rate 1080p you better be overclocking the out of your CPU we're running at 4.7 gigs but 1440 and 1080p we use 1080 ti as our baseline to determine our performance per dollar and where you like kind of fall in terms of whether or not you're paying more money per dollar so or performance what I mean is if you got 15% more performance but you paid 70% more dollars for that I mean obviously that that would be a terrible financial choice right but that's what we kind of saw 2080 trading blows with the 1080 Ti that's exactly why we didn't see any performance metrics in there ray tracing or RT X keynote I'm not even calling it the video card keynote it was nothing but a ray tracing demo and I think they know that if they had boasted about the 25% or 30% improvement that we saw I think we saw up to like 31 percent improvement with 20 atti versus 1080 TI the problem is it costs like 70% more money so if you're getting 25% more performance for 70% more money I mean maybe there are people out there that can afford to just you know throw money at something and not care I mean that's why people drive Bugattis and Pagani is because they got more money than oat to do with it just doesn't make financial sense and especially the 2080 which is the card I was hoping was gonna be kind of the hero card here okay yeah it's cheaper it's still 800 bucks but it's cheaper than a 10 20 80 TI and it I was hoping it was gonna mop the floor with the ten atti but the thing is it was anywhere from negative percentage performance and some of our tests it was getting beaten by the 1080 TI and I don't think it really went any higher than nine percent faster than at an 80 TI at $100 more and we're talking a hundred dollars more than the custom 1080 T eyes which are gonna perform even better than the founders card that we tested which means that performance gap will be even narrower or getting beaten by even more the 1080p ions from the test for a 1080i one so the twenty eighty became no longer a really compelling argument in terms of performance seventy percent more money for some cases up to thirty percent more improvement and what's disappointing about that is if you look at the family on family progression of Nvidia from around the 400 series forward you typically got 25% improvement 22 to 25 in my testing I did a video about it go and watch it we're at the same price point the 80 series card for 85 86 87 89 80 and then tight next Maxwell when I tested we saw 22 to 25 percent improvement for the same price point tight next you know excluded from all of that the problem is now you're getting that same performance increase at 70% more cost so I said in my previous video that they probably just slid the the naming convention up one where the TI is now a Titan at Titan price and the 80 is now technically the TI I was expecting to see quite honestly the 2080 at the $100 price point to be the 25% faster than a 1080 TI and that wasn't the case and that's why Nvidia didn't show any of their performance metrics so until DL SS is out and matured and ray-tracing is out in matured and developers have a time to develop for it a new family of cards will probably be out anyway so my current recommendation at this current time is a big fat don't buy so there it is guys tell me you guys thought conclusions are my own but I think a lot of people are gonna echo what I'm saying or I'm pretty much just echoing what everyone else is saying but I've been hands-on with it now for four days straight worth of testing and I'm done sort of now I got to overclock them and test it again but it's depressing and I'm sad I'm mad anyway I'm gonna go guys thanks for watching we'll see you the next one going video what the man and I'm dun dun dun