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what's up guys Jays $0.02 here we're gonna take a little break from our overclocking competition with our friends over at gamers Nexus and Paul got in there - he's in the top 10 now I believe he's number 10 he's got a lot distance to make up but he's in the top 10 nonetheless we're taking a break because I promised you guys when r-tx launched that I was going to compare it to rise N and a lot of you guys have been like where is the reson video and we want to see if risin is holding back this level of graphics arguably the 2080 TI is the fastest single gaming kart single GPU gaming card that you can buy right now Titan V excluded not really a gaming card so we want to see if this level of performance is being held back by our 2700 X 16 gigabytes of RAM rig which is very much more representative of what you would see in the average gamer you're more likely to see a system like this and say our 79 80 XE so is it bottlenecking let's find out do you want to be cooler do you want to be more desirable well you're in luck because right now you can own your very own JS to send swag and immediately be the cool kid on the block max out your sex appeal by following the link down below so we're gonna do this very similar to how I did the initial launch because that was an 8700 K system with 16 gigabytes of RAM I am going to be benchmarking the same titles that we did at launch with a 20 80 and the 20 80 TI now this is the EVGA DG 8 DG 77 case I almost said 87 that's a whole different TV looking one I also took the front panel off so that has open airflow this is not the most high flow design and then I'll be leaving the side panel off too because this is just a box to hold our parts this is not reminiscent of what the thermals like so as I mentioned this is a 2700 X system it is running out of the box settings just like I did on my 8700 K I will allow it to do a why isn't this going in there does anybody know how to install a GPU so it's out-of-the-box settings for the CPU no overclocking there I will be however enabling the faster memory because we know that Rison likes faster memory and we're not gonna choke it there so we are going to at the end of the day run all the benchmarks we are going to compare the results and then that should theoretically give us a pretty good example of whether or not this is slower than 8700 K we have had two more driver revisions from Nvidia ever since we got our test samples which was on a4 11.5 for driver we've had for 11.6 3 and now for 11.7 oh is out however the release notes on these none of them mention anything about improved performance out of Rison they are simply game ready drivers with game profiles for the newest games like Assassin's Creed and all that stuff so with that said let's fire it up where's the button pretty yeah I want RGB puke on this one okay so we just spent the last couple hours benchmarking our founders Edition 20 80 and 20 atti with our AMD 2700 X and 16 gigabytes of with a g.skill flair X which is rise in optimize memory now let's talk about a couple things real quick to make sure it's fair the 8700 K on the ASUS Maximus board that we used on our test bench when these first launched was set to like core performance mode where it will basically apply the turbo clock to all the cores we enabled that same setting on this asus motherboard which is the new crosshair 7 i think it is across there 6 whatever the latest one was and it's doing the same thing for AMD so it is turbo in all the cores as high as they'll go which is giving it the same scenario leverage advantage whatever if we had done that on intel or not AMD obviously that would have been a stack test and we don't want that because my phone made noise obviously Rison processors are very very popular especially with the second iteration with the 2700 X 2,600 2,600 X and all that ever since Verizon launched it has kind of caused a splash in the cpu market AMD gaining back a ton of wild market share amongst gamers and productivity specialists because of its much improved IPC vs. FX and the fact that it has just turned into a multi-threading beast with eight core 16 thread available in the three hundred dollar range with the 1800 X so it's very valid to talk about this for gamers and streamers and all that now the results were pretty much as I expected as we move towards a higher frame or the higher graphics like 1440p 4k we see all of the while the processing being offloaded onto the GPU and these scores are very very comparable what you'll notice if you look at the charts very carefully is the synthetic benchmarks like the synthetic benchmarks like fire strike times by superposition Metro last light not so much but because they are synthetics they are designed to do only one thing and that is stress your GPU they are very very close a couple of percentage points here and they're kind of given to Intel or AMD back and forth where it's margin of error there's a lot of different things that could account for that you would never notice that in day to day and most people could stop at that and say see they are perfectly matched but that's not a real-world test and that's why we test synthetics as well as gaming titles so we've looked at rise of the Tomb Raider shadow of the Tomb Raider and we also looked at Far Cry 5 I tried to get my wildlands to load but it was having problems and so we didn't spend the time to download another 60 gigabytes worth of game but the story is pretty interesting because rise of the Tomb Raider is an AMD title it's got the AMD splash screen it was built in conjunction with AMD development and so ad money and all that but we saw that on Rison 2700 X we got better scores with the same GPUs than we did on the Intel 8700 K in that title specifically it really pulled ahead but when we looked at shadow of the Tomb Raider which is the most modern title for Tomb Raider we saw it kind of go the other way that there was definitely a reduction in performance when we had the same graphics cards plugged into our 2700 X versus our 8700 K now that could be for a lot of different reasons it could be a little bit more CPU overhead but as games evolving moved more forward forward facing and future proofing I guess we've seen a lot of studios and developers really move towards multi-threading which has kind of alleviated the bottleneck in a way because that's a shared workload across all of the cores something that until the last few years hadn't really been leveraged as much as possible but we look at Far Cry 5 which is a notoriously heavy CPU title especially when you're playing the game we were surprised to see an anomaly here then where I was getting the exact same score while one FPS difference back and forth between 1440p and 1080 which would tell me immediately that there was some sort of the CPU bottleneck but given the fact that this was a built-in benchmark and not the actual gameplay itself I investigated a little bit further and we turned on the overlay on MSI Afterburner and we saw that one core was always pegged at a hundred percent sometimes it was stuck on core 9 or core 7 and the it's supposed to be moved around to share the workload so that it doesn't for cooling reasons it wants to not heat just one core in the die and so it was surprising to see that there was always at least one core maxed out even in the menu and you can see that the GPU was sitting only in the 50 or 60 percent usage and the core speed stay high and temp stayed low because the GPU was not being leveraged but we looked at the CPU it was not being pegged entirely there were lots of course in there in the single-digit utilization doing nothing so this is obviously an anomaly with the far cry title at the end of the day here would be my recommendation if you were Eisen and you are considering getting a twenty eighty or twenty atti as you step it up to the twenty atti that is obviously the Bohemia of a graphics card these were not overclocked these were out of the box settings for both Intel and AMD and since we are seeing a little bit of hole hold back I want to say bottleneck because it wasn't really bottlenecking there was definitely a CPU intervention with how far the GPU could go if we were to overclock it that would have only exacerbated our results and made them that's always a fun word to say exactly I feel like I'm being dirty but I'm not like I'm getting around the parental filter I think I'm on a tangent right now I should probably be back on topic but I digress well I haven't I've been singing enough lately but depending on the titles that you play like the new battlefield 5 battlefield 4 titles that are very much more GPU friendly mmo's games like World of Warcraft they're always gonna be CPU bound because there's just so much of a world to have to render all those player models have to be rendered all the data this players doing this you got 300 people sitting in one area the CPU has to make sense of all of that where the graphics card just sort of handles the pretty post processing the CPU handles most everything else but the 20 atti could potentially be held back by the 2700 X if you don't overclock your 2700 this is like I said this is all out-of-the-box settings with the exception of the one core enhancement check that I did on the BIOS but the 20/80 itself though definitely seems like it had no problems with the 2700 X and could definitely hold its own without feeling like it was being held back it's only good when you go to the extremely expensive and over-the-top and overkill 2,800 Ti that you really start to feel some sort of restriction in your gaming experience but this is a topic that we will investigate more completes we I want to do more titles when battlefield 5 is out I wanted to add I want to add like final fantasy but not til DL SS is out because once that's a thing that might help the cpu's because in the GP doesn't have to handle all of the post-processing and the anti aliasing but again features that don't exist on our very expensive very shiny paper weights be honest I mean I still play games very well but there's features in there they're not unlocked it's like Tesla's autonomous driving it's there it's baked in you just can't access it it's not allowed yet that's kind of where we are with these cards but go ahead and game freely on either platform that you like because really unless you're on something as old as like an FX or a Celeron or something like that you're gonna be just fine with the latest and greatest all right guys thanks for watching it as always we'll see you in the next one