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well guys it's only been six months since you know r-tx launched and it's only taken that long to finally get one title that has both features that being obviously DXR ray-tracing and dl SS or deep learn to / simply deep learned deep learning a deep learning was it learning like a work deep learning so by the time you get it it's already learned it yeah well tell ya it works and we're not to be worth it I got new merch it's available now crowd me calm /jc sense we got zip up hoodies we got tri-blend we got a new logo I digress since 2012 it's at the wrist logo you guys been asking for that anyway well guys live it up we can all kinds of stuff zip up hoodies beanies polos don't take my word for it cuz obviously I can't do this ed so just look in the description below and you guys will find the link thanks okay so before we get into the live testing here which we have you have to understand hit this is six months this is six months in the making this I think gamers are they're just sick of waiting we want titles to take advantage of the hardware that's sitting here up until this point if you weren't playing battlefield 5 you had arty cores and tensor cores sitting in your card doing nothing great idea on our DX card well we had Final Fantasy 15 come out with DL SS okay final fantasy 15 it's cool and all mostly a console game I don't think I heard a lot of people really talk about it we've had Metro Exodus which we got to see demos of last year when we were at PAX that's not even using full raytrace for reflections it's using ray tracing for global illumination it's using that to try and raytrace the lights and make the lighting more realistic like a like an H Bao on on steroids basically then we have battlefield 5 which launched with DX R and then DL SS came much later which is kind of like right now so we're gonna go ahead and do some live testing on this we are using a 4k panel and a 20 atti now I've got a huge rant I'm gonna talk about like we'll just get in here right now and show you so you can see it firsthand so you have to have the latest Nvidia driver installed to take vengeance I think it's for 1891 or something like that whatever the latest driver is at least February 13th or later should have these new features plus it's a 20 gigabyte update for battlefield 5 anyway if we take a look at the settings here you can know some differences so if we basic of course this is all pretty much the same unchanged go to advanced now you've got this Nvidia DL SS now the problem is this and this is the start of my rant is tied into DXR so if you disabled DXR you lose DL SS now Phil and I we're talking about this a little bit offline and we think that DL SS falls under some sort of a toolset that's a part of those DXR features obviously you need the x12 enabled as well so we I would love for someone from video to chime in as to why DXR needs to be on 4 DL SS to work we just can't figure out why that feature has to be enabled other than Nvidia is just really forcing you to enable DXR my problem with this is the thing I was looking forward to most since last September when all of this was announced was or was August it was like August something right crap I wanted to take advantage of an improved super sampling the biggest hit you can take to any post-processing is anti aliasing and super sampling those are the two things that can give you the biggest impact in your performance and my thought was like screw DXR if I don't care about that but I just want the improvement of having those 500 and semi tensor cores in the 28 ETI doing something then we can enable it get the improvement and then we don't worry about the XR but it's tight in now so now you're forced to take the initial hit of DXR and even though the scene is improved with the LSS on as you will see it's nowhere near what it is with those features off entirely so it's just really disappointing the XR is on right now we are running for K and D LSS is currently on so this is a static image we go here we get a little bit more in the distance so ya 64 65 okay so obviously 62 to 65 plus minus 3 so now if we go in here and we just disabled DL SS or the deep learning super sampling watch happens to our fps so there's definitely an improvement here I mean quite a bit from 48 to 65 looks like we're hovering more so around 51 49 I mean I wouldn't consider this very playable is all right so it's pretty obvious that DL SS is doing something I just kind of wish it was doing something with DXR off C soon as we go 1080 watch this DL SS is off but the thing is apparently the 20 60 or whatever like the other cards other than a 20 80 TI are able to do it while we have the 20 60 installed now which is a 350 dollar mid-range mid high-end range card but like I just said the 1080p deal SS does work with that card as you can see which has me going again Nvidia please answer the question why can't you deal with the 20 80 TI why not give it to this card I don't understand why that is it's obvious that they can do it at the resolution because of the 2060 okay so 2060 now same settings as we cut off with article 20 DTI off everything in ultra medium on DX are raytrace and then ultra still and FX amount this card I don't feel like was ever really intended for ultra everything but as you can see right now with ray tracing and stuff on I mean this is actually not terrible now the sad part is this card was getting like 110 hundred 20 FPS in battlefield 5 with DXR off we're getting about the same FPS as we were with the 28 ET out got we're getting a roughly the same fps and 1080p as we were getting with the 20 80 TI in 4k a couple of FPS higher than that but if we go ahead and disabled ELSS now not nearly as much a performance hit do you see this so as you can see a multiplayer though obviously the FPS is higher we talked about this in our previous video about ray tracing is the fact that they've prioritized the frame rates for multiplayer because that's obviously more important and as such we are getting in 1080p in battlefield 5 with ray tracing on all right so this is DL SS off we're getting currently 57 to 60 fps so you can see a lot of detail here just really got you see this look how fuzzy all of this is okay so a little cutaway here we decide to do a little more digging while we're at in this video well Phil specifically so he gets all the credit on this he found on the forums and reddit that ultra wide was scaling terribly with the LSS so he showed you how the 1080 on the 2060 was very fuzzy on the ultra wide it was even worse the moment you just you enabled ELSS it just goes like completely through a fog filter it just looks smudged and smeared what we also found on the forum's was that if you were to just disabled the LSS and just take your resolution scale and drop it down to 80% you get back all of the sharpness you can't even tell that we're running at 80 percent and you get back all the performance that you would have lost my not turning on DL SS this feature sucks now one other thing that we just noticed here is that you can only enabled ELSS with the native aspect ratio so you can't drop down to a 1440 to have black bar on the sides of DL SS enabled it only will enable the option if you're running in the native aspect ratio so we put the 20 atti back in because we realized like well I didn't do multiplayer testing with the 2080 TI plus we want to know if the scaling looked as poured but if you look at the textures and stuff like it right here I mean everything looks good so okay so the FPS though if we look you know member we are playing people always say why do you look cuz I'm actually playing on my account now and I have my my loadout over the bushes I mean it's pretty impressive regardless of the rant I'm about to give that we can play 4k multiplayer with DXR on what DL SS and looking out the distance here getting almost a hundred of PS alright so it's pretty obvious why the 2060 and the 2070 yet 1080p DX r with DL SS whereas the 2080 20 Ti and the Titan get 1440 nm only the 1080 looked pretty bad so we're hoping that the DL SS will improve here's that here's the bottom line I'm really really just concerned about the fact that this feels a lot like when you go into a dealership and you go to buy a car and you're like I want the HID headlights well sir that comes in the premium package in and that you get the headlights and the leather steering wheel the heated steering wheel the leather interior the chilled cupholders the wine chiller in the back you know all the things you don't care about I just want the headlights but you don't get it if you don't buy the package unfortunately I feel like I hope I'm wrong about this I've no doubt that video will probably reach out after seeing this but I feel like they're forcing you to turn on DXR because they know people like me are gonna only use the LSS and not care about the XR I look I feel like the honeymoon period is over I feel like six months is gone by a lot of people work at that ooh and AW and Phil and I were talking about this when we did our video about ray tracing real time ray tracing in RTX I was one of the few people that was like I am a nerd I love the advancement in technologies I love the fact that we could have real time ray tracing which is something that didn't seem possible in terms of gaming so we were in this honeymoon period like this is so cool do people not get it does it not understand what they're getting that's kind of worn off because here we are six months later and the whole thing I was looking forward to the whole time which I said from day one is DL SS screw ray tracing just give me del SS they're forcing it on and down your throat I think because I think they know most people just won't enable it when I play battlefield 5 with my friends and we squad up it's not on I turn it on sometimes in multi and single player but I've complete the campaign so there's no point anymore I don't go back and play it so it stays off in real time and I can tell you now even in skunk works it's gonna stay off full time because DL SS at this point is just not worth it and so for me the honeymoon period is kind of over and I'm kind of done with it I get it real time ray tracing it's here I just still have to give this a big fat like I don't see the point in running out and buying it wanna know the truth you have no choice pretty much Pascale cards have kind of gone through the roof in terms of pricing because they don't make them anymore so availability continues to go down so third parties are raking in the dough by raising the prices on those which means eventually you have no choice but to buy the if you're gonna buy a new card if you're stuck buying a new card if you don't buy an EMV card that is and then at the end of the day everyone will have our TX cards or raytrace enabled cards or whether AMD comes out with one or not in the future because eventually this will be all that you can buy then in game developers might catch up but at the end of the day I'm just like over it I'm kind of whatever DXR is going to stay off which means I'm not gonna get DL SS which means feature is that you've paid for tensor cores and RT cores you have two choices take the hit which is massive or don't turn on the features you paid for Nvidia 2019