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what's up guys js2 sends here and i promised i would revisit our video about the risin 2200 g and 2400 g if you recall in that video which i'll pop out right here you guys can go and check it out we had some issues unfortunately with our review samples that were sent to us sort of kind of reviewing some of the concepts that were sent cherry-pick samples but I digress that's besides the point we experienced some issues with that we were not getting optimal results but we've got new CPUs new motherboards everything is fresh and we're actually seeing some really promising results making me excited for what could possibly be 2018 the year of the budget gamer so we're to go ahead and talk about that maybe some of the growing pains with it and whether or not this is a platform you should even consider today's video is sponsored by audible.com slash J's two cents and I just finished listening to the power of habit giving me better habit choices in 2018 I'm easily distracted so I need habits 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of hardware to test out this time we're using a gigabyte motherboard specifically the be 350 end gaming Wi-Fi which is kind of neat built in Wi-Fi but yeah the results were actually really promising so here's the testing methodology that I used we will then show you the results and we'll talk about some of the growing pains though about this platform that you definitely need to be aware of when it comes to being an early adopter so testing methodology is this I pretty much used the same basic benchmarks that have built in a yes counters that I do when we do our graphics cards reviews and I use titles that are still fairly demanding even for something like an APU because I kind of want to give you guys what the worst case scenario is if I show you a number and you build it and it's better that's better than me showing you like these best-case scenarios where you get it performs lesser than I'm showing you and then I look like you know I lied to you guys and that's not what I want obviously for any of you guys to feel so I used rise of the Tomb Raider still fairly demanding metro 33 still highly demanding a couple synthetics like time spy and fire strike just so you guys can install those which are I think they're still free and you guys can compare your results at home and then I did a Cinnabon run only because Cinebench is still a very good benchmark that you can download for free and compare it to your particular CPUs and see a a whole list of other CPUs to see where it stacks up I'm gonna tell you right now spoiler alert the 2400 G is performing exceptionally well and something like Cinebench but that said it's going to show you guys the benchmarks so as you guys can see compared to the first results the overclock numbers and stuff not that far off from what we experienced with the less optimised BIOS that we were dealing with my previous video but was obvious though were the average FPS on the stock settings were significantly higher than our previous tests when we just plugged it all in but you know it's not surprisingly the 2200 G and the 2400 G in terms of GPU are very very close both in base and overclock settings now the reason for that is there's only a few extra texture units I mean these are very these are very shaved down Vega units and I think where some people's disappointment with this and this is obviously a very small group but I'm gonna speak to this group for a second the the group that heard Vega and was thinking that you were gonna get Vega 56 or God willing Vega 64 performance inside the CPU that's obviously not going to happen what it is it's the same Vega core architecture it's obviously not 3d stacked Ram it's using system Ram and so that Ram communication is also a bit slower than something on board like a discrete discrete graphics card but the fact that they have pulled out performance like this inside of a 65 watt chip is nothing short of amazing I mean Intel could is not gonna be able to come up with something like this which is why AMD and Intel have teamed up for the AP use on mobile I mean Intel knew you go to the guys that are better at this if in team up to get a better product and that's what they've done now let's talk about some of the early adopters things that I think that you should be concerned with so when I first put this together we got no video I was like oh no what are we doing I don't do this again I want to deal with all these problems I want this to work but then a restart it works just fine and what I've learned with this particular motherboard and obviously this is gonna vary based on manufacturer every MSI asus gigabyte asrock they all have different BIOS and different approaches to the you know the built-in operating system but anytime you change anything on this you plug in a graphics card you plug in a hard drive you unplug a hard drive the first boot is always a black screen with no video simply power cycling the PSU off and back on suddenly it works so you guys might have noticed there were only two tests that I did with each one of these benchmarks instead of three like the previous video because the previous video I had stock just we built it we ran it didn't touch anything we had the video are two gigabytes of video RAM technically not vram it says video allocated Ram from the system Ram and then we had our overclock settings now the reason why you don't see the 2g and this one is because the first test defaulted to 512 megabytes of video memory obviously not enough for gaming and pretty much any title short of minesweeper but this time around it defaulted to the two gigabytes automatically with the exception of the 2400 G the first time I booted it it went to one gigabyte and then when I restarted it later went to 2 gigabytes so back to some of that early adopter stuff I was talking about that this is things you need to be aware of but I'm telling you right now it performs very very well these settings were all 1080p medium but if you're running 1080p low or even a game like dirt rally it just hammers dirt rally dirt rallies FPS is super smooth super consistent absolutely playable as with most racing simulators that don't require a lot of GPU performance but don't forget the 2200 G in the 2400 G running almost identical GPUs but $100 CPU slash GPU combo an APU obviously was giving you the ability to play games in this market in 2018 which is actually the discussion point here you could throw a GPU into this obviously when to do that today because I'm focusing on the APU performance but you throw a GPU into this you do get much improved performance now these are not quite as stout as their full rise end brethren because they don't have as many PCIe lanes and there's some other factors there on the engineering side I don't want to delve into yet until we do our GPU testing to see matching Rison versus our APU do we lose performance when we go to a GPU versus one or the other because the idea here is this is a stepping stone to build your PC you can build it now you could play your games add a graphics card later if you find a good use price or the market comes down you know hopefully but it's a very good entry point into gaming but something else worth mentioning though if you run out right now and you buy this APU which is sitting on the shelf at Fry's at micro center Newegg or whatever and you just grab any be 350 or even any a.m. for socketed motherboard it's not guaranteed to work because you've got to remember these just came out but inventory with motherboards have been on shelves for over a year so if you grab a motherboard that has not been updated or has the ready for a and B Rison APU stickers that's on there there's a sticker that's gonna be on the boards that are ready to go with the new CPU you're not going to be able to boot your system because the motherboards have been sitting on shelves prior to this apu launching are not going to know how to communicate with it so that's something to keep in mind and I asked AMD specifically I said well how are you guys planning to actually make customers aware that if you buy a motherboard that's been at micro Center for two months and suddenly the by the CPU paired with it it's not going to boot when I did my first test I had to use I had to actually use a different Rison chip and a GPU to update the BIOS just to do my test so I was kind of like how was the customer supposed to do this if they're building a new system so it will be denoted at least with a special sticker on the boxes of the board's that are being sent that are ready for this APU so look for that that's important or ask your salesman hopefully they'll know but that's something you need to be more aware of if you're building the system from scratch at the end of the day guys it's a hundred dollar CPU and 129 dollar CPU it's not gonna be groundbreaking as I'm the earth shattering it's not gonna be discrete GPU like 1080 performance but the point is you could build a whole system play games on for less than the price of one gtx 1070 today we're talking memory CPU motherboard hard drive and power supply everything I'm sitting right here on this desk - a case is what you're seeing right here and you can have all that for under 500 bucks I don't know how you can complain with that hey guys I'm gonna go we will follow up one more video on this I promise I'm not trying to stretch this out and get all of you know all of the views on this but it's a hot topic and we want to try and cover it as focused as possible so instead of cramming it all into one video we're kind of diversifying this and the next test will be what happens when we put a discrete GPU in there and where does the bottleneck form we want to see what happens if we start at the bottom like an Rx or an R 5 r 7 whatever for 60 all the way up to like a Titan XP and see what happens I don't think anyone's gonna put a Titan XP and $100 CPU but we can test it so we will anyway guys we're gonna go thanks for watching and as always we will see you in the next one you