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Tech Talk #151 - Jay vs Jerry on Cryptocurrency

2018-01-18
I'm gonna click that start streaming button right there take it away says we're streaming for the record though I don't have the intro setup on this machine so we don't have an intro we can just fake it welcome to chitchat where your old on Oh welcome no chair junk your one-stop shop for whatever whenever we want to do it also - Nick is somewhere upstairs sorry you guys have had to mute the stream I still do that every single morning well I had another window open over there there's another there's another monitor over here off screen as you guys can't see so anyway we're back yes hiatus and all that crap is over we were on hiatus for two months we like we came back we did like two shows and really gopala days and time we're going how do you just but this is the week most podcast are back and this is no exception so we're at episode 151 that's a lot of episodes Jay I just want to call it go ahead and call out the click Beatty title that was on purpose Jerry and I are actually not planning on sword fighting on this although I think we'll probably have very contrasting point of views we are not planning on fighting to the death although it was on the table no no and I forgot to get right here oh oh you're gonna come in with your little husky bet oh it were all where's bad night oh oh come on bro what do you do scratch me to death dude I'll give you like tetanus gonna scratch me to dance it's all rather more rust than metal visible so yeah you started to ask me a question before the stream with life she had I don't remember what it was man stream would live by reset oh is that that's works mmm Oh reset all right guys we got the normal hash tag going hashtag ask a Tech Talk if you have a question or you can ask it in stream the string gets a little crazy though so yeah I think chat is pretty much unmanageable on YouTube do you have any moderators on YouTube I'd like to welcome one of them is Nick and he's up there and he he does wield that ban hammer it just just randomly banned people just to set an example and you can unbanned him right afterwards but just set an example so it's set up like a bot in the chat such as random it's just like a longer than fodder for a moderator banhammer it's just like and then you're banned for five minutes exactly anyway you sorta asked how things were going in Vegas driving limos and stuff that's fun the event to tour is pretty quick but I'll be honest didn't it wasn't as fast as I expected it to be it was surprised by day it's it's a pretty hefty car too isn't it isn't it isn't it upwards like 3,800 3,800 pounds or something like that I don't know but it's also étoile v12 torque and 700 horsepower oh I didn't realize had 700 horsepower that's pretty insane I think it's just because it's so damn stable did you did you ever get to go for a ride in the in the Tesla the luda no the 900 horsepower dude I still haven't been in anything that accelerates like that thing does and I still don't understand about the tires can even stick to the pavement like it makes no sense at all it's voodoo magic yeah doesn't have the top speed of the crazy cars though like that Lamborghini what is that a 218 mile an hour beast or some like that yeah so anyway I don't you guys think about the set we are actually testing a couple of things here so I'm streaming on the FS 5 right there obviously I'm on my normal workbench I've got a very squeaky stool I'm sitting on it stop speaking now the we are using the test rig to do all this and we're testing a new capture card that we bought this is the elgato hd60 pro so it's the pci express capture card and so far it doesn't seem like it's laggy at all that was that's the best part so the original hd60 had some rather serious issues some people were hitting on older USB bus and stuff are sorry not older PCI boards chipsets okay but the pro I guess mitigated all that like everybody I've heard said the pro works just fine yeah it's really good I mean it to get the video and audio desync : to offset by 20 milliseconds or 25 milliseconds but we when we were trying to do the HD 60 through USB I mean that was like a second and a half of lag you know what's a joke so you know they're their cheapest capture card the USB one called the cam link it just looks like a USB thumb drive okay I've got two of them zero st. correction at all I run it on morning coffee sync to this microphone through the mixer board I don't have to add any offset it's almost flawlessly real time doing 1080 60 off of DMI off of my my sony gown oh wow but yet yet the $400 a vio capture which it can do 4k granted but if I do 1080 60 on that one I have to delay it by almost a full quarter second yeah so I'm actually pretty surprised that they're getting so small and so quick now I saw a comment go by this as J's is bigger referring to my camera well honestly that's because I'm having to capture his video through skype which is ultra compressed so the only way to make it not look terrible is I had to shrink Jerry down a little bit smaller than me plus you know is my channel so I gotta so I can't recall you're just gonna come over to my sass pool of a twitch channel because I don't stream on YouTube people are poor people J that's unfortunate dude last time we streamed on YouTube I got like 2500 live viewers and the chat was just spamming other people's channels emoji just dumping characters and there I was like what were these people coming from some I prefer being over on Twitch cuz they read is mostly auto rater control they're coming from reddit mostly just read it and 4chan probably alright well let's just get to it because when I put that video out on Monday was it Monday no Tuesday it was never intended to create this like crazy response that that happened so that was just more or less let me get this out real quick that was more or less a mental purge if you will because that day I wanted to do another budget build and I realized the budget bills are not not really that all that possible today at least not easily you can still find graphics cards that are not and bloated but it was it was difficult so from the buyers perspective I was purging and I felt better making that video and Here I am getting tweeted and our text message now about just watched your mining videos it has been non-stop coming at me and and that was it was never intended to create this divide in the community because the divide is already there I didn't create that divide yeah I probably did a poor job at stating my perspective on that which is the the flavor of that video that I expected to come out that didn't come out very well was the giant warehouses full of data my are cryptocurrency mining is what's causing the problem not you not the guy that's got 4gp you sitting there doing this thing at home making money on something he's already owned or even went out and bought a handful of graphics cards it's the guys that are that are buying direct from Nvidia and buying direct from AMD that are causing this that's where my frustration lies not what not with the you know John Doe out there doing his thing and I think I did a bad job at explaining that part but man man oh man just cryptocurrency now up there with politics topic oh yeah oh man I was and then and then Logan yesterday doing his thing which he and which he had he admitted he embellished quite a bit in the whole like Jay standing on he know his self-righteousness blah blah blah he he admits that like he had we had a long conversation behind the scenes on that and he warned me that he was doing a response video but he didn't warn me that he was literally gonna try and like drag me behind a bus I haven't seen it I haven't seen it yet I'm gonna I'm gonna watch it after this well that's not a fight that we need to have we don't need to have content creators fighting each other no and that's what I told him I said I'm not gonna participate in this for views or not so that's my stance on that and that's all I'll say on that but so anyway to the clickbait title in the topic we have very different perspectives Jerry that was what I tried to get out from that video go you you just everybody should know you by now especially your audience should know that when you get enraged like you step it up a level it's just what you do it doesn't matter if you're talking about a graphics card like in your test build that like showed up and it didn't work it was just dead on arrival I mean when you get mad you get mad I mean people she wasn't happy used to that I wasn't mad though I was frustrated well frustrated and mad are kind of interchangeable on the internet you look you look like you're irritated and you're like all you goddamn minors I'm gonna kill you for stealing all my graphics cards like a certain point I actually agree with you on that that there is there is a serious problem with supply and demand and the demand is at a level that gaming could never provide on its own I will admit to that I will admit that even if every gamer on the planet had a 1080 Ti it's probably not gonna equate to the thirst of the crypto miners in China okay but the thing where we differ I think is where the problem needs to be solved your solution to the problem clearly from that video cryptocurrency literally they need like raid those buildings and kill all the employees and burn them to the ground that's what that's the nuke the country it's definitely what you heard from your perspective no I'm just okay oh and by the way thanks for throwing me under the bus all night you're like I'm out for the day Barnaby I'd like that but but I think the thing that we agree on definitely is there is a supply and demand issue it is artificially increasing the cost and a lot of people that a lot of people don't realize that this actually screws the crypto miners to like the crypto miners want more cards to everybody wants more cards out of this deal and the price is going up like the crypto miners don't to pay $1,200 for like a 1080 TI eventually they'll never recoup that so they're never there they need a cheap solution to the problem is the new crypto currencies that exist were created to be mined with the GPU now therein might lie the problem let's just say the problem was created in the beginning weather weather don't don't let's let's not blame anybody for it but let's just say when they were like you know what we don't watch it because the whole reason that they created like aetherium and everything the way they did so that it can't be mined using these cheap little ASIC things like Bitcoin could the reason that they did that was because of course China is just gonna create a million billion Asics and sell them to everybody else for absorbent costs and then keep the cheap ones themselves control the entire cryptocurrency market and it's basically not decentralized so still owned at all so is is the market saturation and GPUs that were feelings specifically theory and based yes yes not nothing to do with this because I thought that I thought the GPU Bitcoin mining like had kind of fallen off a while ago into the early years like like just to give you an idea a a $50 ASIC like a little box with some cheap-ass you know non ul certified electronics will probably burn your house down will mine faster than the fastest graphics card today by a factor of about a hundred when mining Bitcoin so there's absolutely no reason to use a GPU to Bitcoin mine so what they wanted to do this time around is they're like you know what let's create a cryptocurrency the everybody can mine so they specifically built a cryptocurrency that is nested in memory speed in amount of memory and since graphics cards have the fastest memory on the plan at the gddr5 and now we're going to the GDD r6 stuff with Samsung they have the fastest memory and they're cheap for the amount of memory that they have on them comparative to them building their own little mining units and stuff over in China right now now as soon as that changes and it's cheaper for them to go and build just your boxes with memory and an FPGA you or an ASIC or something inside of it yeah you bet the same things gonna happen they're probably gonna start building out those things are gonna start sell them you're gonna see pressure come off the GPU market or you may never actually see that happen because you have so many people that are mining on just what they have like for instance my my computer's here you know I've got a rendering farm with 810 60's in it I've got my two Titans in this system I've got nine ATS and listen don't laugh at me I got nine TVs in my old system but all of them mine during their idle time I have them all set up that when I'm not physically here using the computer it's mining in between all make about thirty seven dollars a day how much load is are those under when their money on the GPU absolutely 100% yeah so you have to make sure that you have the cooling like you wouldn't it but the thing is that the graphics cards themselves are responsible to thermally throttle themselves like if you stick them in a tiny little HTPC case and you Jam a located downstairs and jam them in the back corner of a components you know a component center they do throttle down to below what their potential isn't the same thing applies for crypto mining except for the guys that are taking the cards and hacking the out of them to get them to run way above spec because they don't need them to survive for two or three or four years and that's where the gamers get pissed in the second-hand market is you have these people that are literally breaking the cards breaking the firmware it's with the drivers and everything to get the card to do more than it's supposed to yeah well I mean I know you try to get me to play around with mining in the past but the electricity costs here really cut into that profit margin yeah it would kind of make sense but it wouldn't really in the long term so yeah I mean I like I like that that video brought a lot of views it wasn't necessarily the intention it's I mean I guess the title was a little bit embellished right it's cryptocurrency killing the game killing PC gaming to a degree it kind of kind of is it's it's killing the amount of people that can get into it I think as first-timers it's killing off the people that can upgrade it's just creating that supply and demand issue that's think it's too many people want the cards not enough cards to go around economic 101 very simple and why so many people can't understand that but let's talk about the let's talk about the solution because so many people I see on Twitter like well I should just build more cards and that's like saying the graphics card company is intentionally limiting their profit by intentionally not making more of them when they could they can't right now they are at capacity they are at Full Tilt that you can only you can only make the silicon wafer so fast you can only cute make make the product soak fast and stay within QC margins so then they hear people say well they should just go out there and build more factories but if you if your Foxconn or your Nvidia or your AMD or Global Foundries let's are you gonna run out and suddenly invest hundreds of billions of our millions of dollars in creating a new factory on something that says volatile that's cryptocurrency let's save you that if you did you might be dumbest yeah so that so that's not a solution no we have no there we are in a spot right now we are we're in an unprecedented never explored never experienced tech junction in our future and I don't I don't know what's gonna happen I mean it's worrisome maybe if this sticks around then production does ramp up and then we get we get cost to come back down to normal which only makes cryptocurrency more profitable because there's less adoption cost to get the graphics cards and then there's still plenty to go around for the mainstream market but but what about all of the news against governments trying to ban it and this and that I mean so obviously the some of the major dropped this week was because of Korea's ruling to ban cryptocurrency yeah what a response to that well it scares a lot of people that's why you see the market crash whenever this happen the same thing happened in China not but a couple of months ago they caused another similar crash it wasn't nearly on the same scale though for some reason I couldn't tell you why that was but the crash was because people get afraid and they're like oh governments are banning this currency we can't use anymore let's get the out of it before you lose our money how does the government ban it first of all they can't exactly just it the only thing that they can do is they can prevent it from being accepted for buying goods and services they can basically say that it's illegal in our country for you to spend a Bitcoin or spend aetherium or whatever to buy something something it's not like they can track those transactions they can't track the transactions number one and number two you can always train act it back into real money which will then be wired from an exchange back into whatever account you want wherever you want on the planet and it's cold hard cash at that point how does it have a taxes play and then here's where it gets a little bit dicey okay because you've got capital gains to worry about you do yeah you either you either do it one of two ways either you run your own crypto qualit crypto wallet and use offshore exchanges which conceals your money and there's no way the government ever knows what you did like they can dig as deep as they want unless you make egregious errors they're never gonna be able to find out or you can be like me that just doesn't want to go to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison and use something like coin base which is a domestic exchange that actually reports to the IRS and issues me in actual was it the ten night not 1099 what's the one that they issue for your dividends I know I know anytime oh yeah yeah yeah yeah they basically they send me that at the end of the year and say this is how much your gains was under the proceeds on your sales and then I have to report that the IRS is short term capital gains or long term depending on how long I had the bitcoins so this has nothing to do with cryptocurrency but there's a potentially a lot of people who cashed in because because you're you're having there's two sides to this you have the miners the guys that are going out there and and farming these coins and and discovering them and solving the math equations or whatever right and then you have the market where people are not mining this they're just playing the stock market they're buying low selling high buying low selling high so you've got two sides to this but I'm wondering how many people out there that are inexperienced with the tax sides of capital gains who just cashed in millions on you know when the when the Bitcoin was almost twenty thousand dollars he said at the end of the year are gonna get reamed with the taxes that they're not expecting because they cashed out into regular cash through standard you know transactions so I'm kind of wondering what that figure looks like but I mean that's totally off topic that's me from what I've seen honestly I'm gonna say it in ninety five percent of the people out there they're around a crypto currency like just now if they're watching the stream found out for the first time they have to give some of it to the IRS everybody thinks it's imaginary monopoly money and then it's no different than trading or no money man yeah cuz like you pay taxes when you go sell your gun skins from counter-strike go like you don't do pay taxes and all those those one-off crate craigslist buy and sell exactly exactly you don't you don't you don't nobody does so everybody treats cryptocurrency in the same way and if you trade it in short volume I you don't really have to worry about it too much but yeah the government's gonna notice if all of a sudden your bank account goes up by like 92 million dollars and it was transferred to you from a company that isn't exchanging cryptocurrency like the IRS is gonna be able to draw that parallel and come after thing is the thing is if the company is on the up-and-up they're gonna report they're gonna report the money transfer to you to the IRS because they're gonna they're gonna report that as a as a as a loss or distribution or whatever however it's it's actually coded and then the government is gonna be trans they're gonna check the transcripts and see if you report it that money and what you don't audit so it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting to see where that goes yeah I kind of hate this discussion to be honest because I truly am a devil's advocate here I can see both sides of it I just I just choose I just choose to be upset about the pricing of the market anyone can blame you for that it's amazing how many people are just like really I underestimate the amount people that are super invested into this and then unfortunately there's a lot of people commenting who truly don't have any idea what's going on guys talking about I got a lot of that yeah your video they're like oh we were unaware that this was creating a problem then what happens is then other people are like they weren't on you know team gaming or team crypto mining until they figured out that it existed and other vocal friends come out and then they're like I'm just gonna go join their camp you know it's the whole whole Democrats versus Republicans argument right are you a gamer you're miner but people don't realize that most of the people that are mining today and I'm talking about individuals not about the corporations in China they're building the big mines and stuff but most of us are individuals I mean in this room right now I have eight GPUs and that to it and one I mean how many people have like you know 211 GPUs in there in one bedroom of their house that's not counting the other ones and I mean those are not primarily mining they're just they're just during idle cycles mining I've got a lot I got a lot over here but I don't I don't pretend that I bought those it may it's pretty obvious as those were sent you know sponsored content and stuff but brings up that point where people are talking about you know the supply and demand all crypto miners are buying up all the GPS and we can't get well they're really just buying them through the same avenue that you could in the price is getting hyped because they know they can get it yeah right I mean that that's that's what it's the demand of both the gamers and the cryptocurrency guys basically duking it out to the highest bidder they were just uncontested before and the other thing that I want to point out that a lot of people aren't taking into effect years they're like those cards gaming cards they weren't designed for anything else you take those away from gamers doom for kryptonite okay guys a lot of people render Jay has rendering machines that don't game or don't game a lot that are designed for video render you use CUDA right well octo uses CUDA uses the floating-point unit and CUDA and the API so to say that you're not allowed to run this program but I've talked about that in my video I said that GPUs are being used for all sorts of things that aren't gaming for instance professional workloads and stuff yeah I specifically mentioned that my graphics cards spend more time making videos for me and doing my color correction and all that stuff than actually playing games which is very very true I guess that's a devil's advocate conversation though because it is that's not creating a strain on the supply and demand either you know it's really not a revenue stream right you make videos using the card to make money right people are just skipping the middleman they're literally using the cards to make money all Jeep's in that system were paid for in four months it is a it is a small puzzle piece to the entire to the entire operation we have going here that makes me money that's not the thing that makes me money like it does recouped of currency yeah that's what I'm saying you cut out the middleman right it's you're quite literally using the thing you bought to pay for itself and that's work but like I just said though that's where I disagree with you because that's a very small portion of how I make my money doing this business it's not the thing that makes me money you out it though you you have to have those graphics cards like even if they're a small part of your business without them you have no ability to make videos no that's not true I could I could use I could use an iris internal Intel and take you know forever with you would you Jay would you I got a lot of mine point on my razor phone here but he's gonna get me very far actually I mean I did that video showing that the the render difference in premiere versus having any kuda card it did matter if I ran a told 660 or new Titan XP the render time was the same with any graphics card in there versus without and the one without was about a hundred percent slower so yeah we kind of blame Adobe for that one we can if somebody would resolve was having this conversation to be a whole different a whole different story god damnit Joel telling if you're watching right now would you please Hardware accelerate everything in Adobe Premiere were not all forced to switch to DaVinci Resolve cuz I really hate the timeline in DaVinci Resolve it does hardware-accelerated just does it to a very slow you know very like it uses like five percent of the GPUs what is it what you you use the noise plug-in right and premier what noise noise plug-in to use for like reducing the noise in your video meet video yeah see that's why everybody uses neat even even Joel recommended that to me and the funny thing is every time I use a neat video it slows the render speed down by a massive magnitude on my system yet you go to DaVinci Resolve and it like slows it down by like an extra like ten minutes yeah correction the whole thing I don't I don't use it very often because we don't shoot with the Atmos all that often we actually spend more so more time now with the fs7 or even the a7 but yeah the the noise the plug-in definitely is slow but again the best premiere yeah we're addicted we have to use it but but but I guess I guess it just comes down to if you're as long as you're utilizing the graphics card for something that's within the scope of the graphics card capability like for instance CUDA you definitely don't have to use CUDA the game they can take CUDA away from the card and you can still game without it because not a lot of games utilize the CUDA API they actually just use the DirectX API so so you want to solve your problem hey we just did Nvidia and ATI take CUDA off all your gaming cards only put them on your quad roots out of the reach of the miners you just solved the entire problem for everybody and then Jay and I just have to spend $5,000 to get a card that renders the same as the one that was like any hundred bucks and then and then I guess I'm a hypocrite because I'll spend $5,000 on them because I need them to do my work my video production schedule does it look like an four to five thousand dollar I do it though I'd have to we'd have to know actually you know what I'll do I'll just offload the work to a contractor he doesn't make anything and let them worry about it but then the contract to China where all the boy where all the mines are that were bitching about I just get back an animated anime video of my review that is very that is insensitive sir I I do particularly like you tweet though where you were like well I hope you only use gaming peripherals on your computer and only use them for gaming and not typing emails and you know if you if you really want to be super anal about that you could also say that mechanical keyboards who never intended to be gaming keyboards this conversation could go a million different ways it could but nothing pisses me off more Jay when somebody is fighting a battle doesn't matter what the context doesn't matter if it's political doesn't matter if it's like we're talking about graphics cards when they're fighting a battle and they don't realize that they're completely on the other side of their argument for something that is exactly the same in another category or another space but that's because we're all invested in a certain perspective and of course we have our own our own unique you know circumstances that yeah that apply to us and trotty net neutrality right that's that's that's a big thing you know the hell we should even talk about you got all these companies like Comcast they're like you know what we're gonna charge you an extra 40 bucks to watch porn the second that Ajit PI says that we can buy tickle your net neutrality like no internet freedom we should be able to use the internet for whatever you want if we pay for it and then they're fine like you should not mine on your graphics cards it's like all I'm doing is getting net neutrality for my graphics card I just bought I wanna be able to use it for another I want do we have 5,000 viewers in here that's our biggest show yet that's gotta be by a pretty good magnitude usually we're sitting right around 3,000 or so yeah that's a big I guess people care about this topic you know you want about the irony of all of this is is my my I don't wanna say I guess loyalty is the right word I'm I'm pretty loyal to the gaming community I really am but I hardly play games anymore you know but I said but I I still treat a lot of what I do from the perspective of the buyer we're in that same boat too by the way even though I cryptocurrency mine if I had to pick between one or the other I would pick gaming over mining so I would say the same as you even though I don't game a whole lot that's the camp that my heart my heart is in I had I had a few people reach out to me after that video and say that their entire business and their ability to pay their employees and stuff is because of mining so I that's why I made the first parts just the system builders right no I'm talking no no I'm talk about people who've actually created a business on mining that that allows that allows their that allows their them to employ people so they've created it like like me or I've got people that rely on this business to succeed now like stockbrokers they built a drill mark market yep right but at the same time what frustrates me is the amount of people that just want to pick and choose little things I said of that video and only listen to this but not listen to this and then you know they tune out here so because I specifically said in there that well what I said was Gummer gamers would love for cryptocurrency to just pop and disappear and go away but then I specifically said what about those people that haven't that have created livelihoods and jobs and careers based on this what we figure I missed that too so they sure you should go back and listen because else but because what else is sitting there is what's the what is the what is the commercial and economic impact going to be if they fall out of people who have invested massive amounts of money in this and when that fails what's the domino effect there see I said all that but nobody wanted to hear that nobody wanted to listen to that and that's what's frustrating yeah the whole selective hearing they they all they wanted to hear is what they came to watch on the video and that is either to be in one camp or the other not to straddle the line so I do that we've had donations kind of rolling in and in typical fashion guys we don't stop and read them in real time like we used to because we want to keep the flow of the show going but this one I had to David couch says I paid $50 to tell you to suck my balls you know what I know a lot of prostitute male prostitutes who don't get paid 50 bucks to suck on balls so I'd say you're after he's ridden a bike for 50 miles wearing long johns in the summer flavors flavortown Oh labor country oh my god people losing their livelihood like every crash you know I did say that I did say that on Twitter though I said it's no different though than the guy that plays the stock market and puts his entire livelihood on volatile stocks and losses you know it's day trading it's literally day trading I know a lot of crypto miners out there I'll be triggered that I said that but but I know day traders that are millionaire as a matter of fact one of my friends names Tom hooli then I worked with a Microsoft he was just a vendor he was like a vendor there he was like low-level vendor and he was just working there just to make ends meet he was day trading during the day and the margin which is really dangerous guys don't understand that basically he was borrowing money to invest if he loses it he's screwed so he was basically losing his ass the entire time I was at Microsoft he left just just talk to him again after like three years for the first time his portfolio is worth over two million dollars he lives in the Ukraine just from day trading well you know that's the thing though is you have to invest wisely and not not put it all in one basket and then what should it's a fan you got it you got to endure but it's all odds everything's a risk you don't have a guarantee to weigh it like Jay honestly as successful as you are doing what you're doing if you wake up tomorrow and YouTube's like we decided we're only gonna do Jimmy Fallon I'm just going with that whole stereotype we're only doing Jimmy Fallon get the off our platform and they just closed your channel and you get an email that's like we closed your channel because you don't look like Jimmy Fallon um let's say that happens you would still recover because you diversify enough to do that but it would be a pretty heavy blow now let's say that everything else shifts did Amazon comes back says it we're closing down our affiliate program which I know that's gonna happen at some point but we're doing that all this stuff like a house of cards we're not guaranteed anything all we can do is go with our best bet and diversify as much seemingly possible but let's be honest everybody can be out of business in a second you know it's just a crypto currency guys tend to be putting a little bit too many eggs in one basket yeah I mean that's fair enough I mean any youtuber that's it doesn't matter if you're pewdiepie or you're the the Logan we're you know whoever the hell they are now yeah they're brothers right some crazy yeah Jake Jake and Logan they are absolutely brothers and their channels are equally cancer okay so you got those guys and then you've got you've got the most the much smaller guys like myself yeah we've all built our business on the on the on the foundation of someone else's business yeah and and my goal the moment I saw that this was turning into a career was to create a business of my own that if that day comes like you're talking about as probably when that day comes let's be real yeah that I can that I can be agile enough to just move on to something else and take an audience with me exactly and a lot of people don't do that oh the problem is we have a lot of we have we have more self-made millionaires young millionaires than ever yeah and most of them do not have the maturity to know how to properly invest their money that's the reality of it I mean you've got you've got youtubers you've got youtubers out there driving Lamborghinis and GTRs that are all you know custom one-off that are like $200,000 because they're getting this taste of success but the thing is they live they live so stretched beyond their means that they rely on the tens of thousands of dollars that come in a month as they're mapped a month which is ridiculous yeah and I grew up dirt poor is most you know if you've if you've watched any of my over the years I grew up dirt poor so I kind of have this built-in trigger mechanism in the back of my head they I lived so far below my means like every time I go get a loan for like a house when we bought this house they're like oh you're spending power you could get two times this house at the time when I was working at Microsoft well glad I didn't because Microsoft laid me off and I got thrown into this and had I not had a buffer I wouldn't have been able to make that transition like I and even today like if if it wasn't for me living below my means I would not be doing this I'd be back at a job I'd be forced to yeah I mean at least you had that buffer yeah well doesn't matter if you know and another thing too is it you probably still get people to tell you that like your job isn't real or I'll get a real job or blah blah blah even your level I imagine line and see if it gets that but the thing people don't realize is everybody works for somebody else there there really is nobody at the top of the food chain it's just secular right yeah it's like there's always somebody reporting to somebody else it's like when I get an affiliate sale through Amazon that's Amazon feeding you and when the ads served on YouTube that's YouTube's feeding me when I'm on Twitch and somebody is watching the show is gracious enough to give me a tip or something like that that's them directly supporting me but they're my boss there my boss there my boss there my boss there is no I am the CEO even though technically you are the CEO of your company you even bow it to the IRS right you have this company with their handouts and give us money or we will end you don't I know so we all work for somebody it doesn't if you go to your job and you sit behind a desk and you program you get a paycheck from the company you are absolutely no different than Jay and I we both get checks - as a matter of fact Jay you are the commander of your company and you know as a business owner you have to pay yourself how silly does that sound like oh yeah money you do YouTube you they send you money you got money okay no you have to actually pay yourself it's crazily progress I have to pay myself an amount that is that is considered in alignment with my position in the company yep so for instance I couldn't be the the CEO and president of this corporation and pay myself $100 a week and then take distributions on everything that way I can have a lesson you know Social Security impacted all that stuff those closure I did I did try to get that past my bookkeeper know is a work that I just pay myself $15 an hour so I can get the insurance and they're like well because because when it was specially when you're an escort but it passes back through you it's scrutinize you're scrutinized as an individual and they're gonna be like you know you know there's a there's a Thursday there's a ratio that has to be maintained there and the problem is that guys the business makes more and stuff you have to pay yourself more and as you do that you pump up your tax brackets and everything so the government gets more from you so there's a lot of creative shuffling that happens with you when you're in this business but this is a good transition into our next topic which we want to talk about which is YouTube's new policies regarding the thousand subscribers or more plus here I'm gonna pull up my Google Doc I'm doing it a video on it it's is it 4,000 hours watched or five that's six pages of bullet points it's four thousand hours per calendar year and I even did the math a lot of people are freaking out going oh my god four thousand hours that's unobtainium just to give you guys an idea that's only 11 hours four that's across your entire channel so if you have 50 videos total viewership for an entire 24 hour period 11 hours or 660 minutes and then for the people who can't do the math it only means you need 66 people a day to watch a single 10-minute video okay I love I love that you have six points or six pages of bullet points on that cuz I look at they have nothing but my raw reaction to that and I don't think people are gonna like my reaction here let it let us have it I'm here I'm curious to see how you're thinking the lines of mine when I started this channel and ever did it to make money yeah here comes soap right just Jay again Logan hope you're watching same here I I never did I didn't even know you can make money when when I made a thought when I had a thousand subscribers I think I had just passed something like 20,000 views somewhere that I don't remember I'd remember that far back it was straight up a hobby and I can guarantee you that those that are under that threshold are not living off this income anyway okay okay so just under a hundred dollars per calendar year that's that's they said 95% of the people were under a hundred dollars per calendar year divided by that many months you're talking what less than ten dollars a month like it's something dollars yeah that is not affecting anyone's bottom line of survival when you start making enough money to actually live off this you're so far beyond that particular threshold yeah that it didn't impact you I mean okay you might be able to buy two less coffees a month but you are not you YouTube is not killing content creators they're not killing people's livelihoods with big I honestly feel like it's still too low I feel like it should be much higher if they truly want to stop the people that are out there spam accounting and stuff because that's their idea what this is they're trying to stop the bots accounts and the spam accounts that will automatically steal videos rip them and reupload them and take you know pennies per video but when they do thousands at a time they actually make money that way yeah actually in my video I'm gonna talk about the whole reason why they picked specifically hours of viewership over actual views because there's actually a rhyme and reason to it and it has to do a tour and bot networks like now you literally cannot mobilize a hundred thousand views on a video when every single bot has to literally sit there and download the video the bandwidth requirements and everything are huge whereas before I just had to view the video for a millisecond and stop and that counted as a view so here's the thing let's talk about this real quick Midnight Madness 4x4 in chess as I was making 200 a month if he was making 200 a month because he was getting that many views per month he obviously exceeds the hours watched but he's but he doesn't if he doesn't have a thousand subscribers something's wrong there yeah how can you get that many that many views a $200 a month probably equates to I want to I want to say it's gonna be something like a hundred maybe 80 to $100,000 dollars views a month to make that kind of money based on the adblock rate that people are using it the CPM cut and all that so if your team like you're factoring that on your CPM to when you're a new channel and a small channel your CPM is only like two three bucks no I remember what mine was when I said it's that's what I'm going off of yep if you if you're able to bring in enough views so you bring in $200 a month but you don't have a thousand subscribers based on the meta views you're getting per month my question is what is your content and why aren't people subscribing to you yeah there's a gap there that doesn't make sense I mean as a content creator myself that's exactly what I think of so YouTube is not out to destroy the new content creator they're not out there trying to stop new channels from growing it only behaves them to get more channels bringing in more unique viewership bringing them more more revenue generation I'm really glad that you have this point of view on it because everybody else doesn't seem to have this point of view like even buggy I mean we love buggy but boogies view is definitely for the for the content creators now watch this video last night and I was like actually really liked his video he touched on a really really good points and kept people motivated everything but you know he'd prefer that everybody get the same opportunity and everything but hold just a second I took it one step further and guys I've done my research on this I'm not need York reaction I've got six pages of bullet points that I've painstakingly put together from hours of research which if you ask Jade that's uncharacteristic of me big time I usually just turn on the camera I just blow out my mouth but anyways they blow out my mouth anyway well let's get right over that little Jay chuckles um after looking at this I'm gonna tell you guys I mean we don't have to go into all the detail on the bullet points but after looking at this I can tell you right now the YouTube has actually done all those serious small channels a huge favor cuz this is a huge opportunity so okay now think about this currently YouTube has a problem where there's about a couple hundred thousand new channels pop coming up every single day from these BOTS that literally create the channel they download a bunch of content they basically do a search grab the top search results for that content upload it to their channel and then they pollute SEO and then they might only get like 14 hits per video or whatever before that channel ultimately gets shut down and then they get so the Amana channels saturating the SEO is gonna go down correct correct so so now here's what's gonna happen is every person that contacted me said oh my god I've been working years trying to grow my channel and I can't get more than a couple of views per video and nobody's finding my content it's all the big guy's fault it's all the big no that's terrible SEO yeah it's actually the terrible SEO caused by the cancer and that's why so think of it like a garden you guys are the flowers the serious people creating content but the weeds are starving you out and you can never get your head above the weeds because the weeds are just eating your lunch they're eating your new treats they're taking everything away so I was looking at this and I was like hold on a second okay so 4,000 hours that's hard for the bot Network to do and still remain profitable by the time they spend all the bandwidth or they they use the botnet for that long it in the end it doesn't become profitable to them and that's why YouTube picked those specific numbers is to kind of coordinate with how things are happening right now I'm not saying that the system can't be gamed and defeated but it's much much harder and it's much less profitable which means there's more advertisements to put on legitimate channels because right now it's a lottery there's not enough ads to go around for the number of videos even Jay because there's not up one percent bucket yet I don't think you are anyways at 1.3 million now the problem is in Linus I talked about this a while back is we're we're still growing but the problem is so is everyone up top so the continues to grow and I think I know I'm in top I know I'm Way above top 5% I've been the top percent for a long time but I are you in preferred because once you're in preferred where you basically get the preferred ads and YouTube clears you to like just get like the best the best highest CPM ads uh I believe I'm preferred but I'm also managed so oh you're a managed channel then yeah you probably your size would probably be preferred okay I don't know to be honest I don't even look at the Adsense have you had any of your videos just randomly D monetized or do they all just stay monetized I have not had a single video get be monetized there and you're probably in that program because basically they're trusting you they basically put you in a thing saying that we trust this guy we don't have I said I don't even know I got people that do that for me so I know you're smart no I don't look at it I don't I don't look at it so let me let me let me continue on why this is this is a huge thing for small creators because now that all this cancer is gonna die and it's gonna die fast guys it's not like oh my god these these channels are gonna stick around they're not because what's gonna happen is they're not gonna get the relevance people aren't gonna watch the content because they're not making any money and they're not uploading any videos and overtime they're just gonna die out they're gonna get pushed to the bottom of the pile and then YouTube will sweep them away just like they do every couple of months when you see a downturn and subscribers that's them deleting these channels it's usually at 1 a.m. and then I like every Thursday at 1 a.m. it's like it's exactly when they don't think anybody's sitting there just spamming socialblade but then you wake up in the morning you're like what happened subscribers ok so so think about it this way guys so let's say you have a new channel you've been working on new channel you've been working on it for 3 years and you don't meet the requirements well I can tell you with reasonable certainty unless your content absolutely is garbage which I'm afraid there are some of you out there and he was literally trying to drive you off the platform at this point 5,500 viewers now what the heck man 5,500 that's crazy we've never save yours so think about it this way so those guys are all gonna all gonna quit the ones that are like this I'm not getting my $10 a month I'm out I've already gotten like a dozen people say this I'm going to Facebook which oh my god that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard because Facebook just steals all your content never gives you money and if you thought clickbait was better on YouTube exactly exactly and Facebook actually like supports it and puts their legal team behind letting these like Soflo just like pulling the entropy so so let's say that all these guys leave the boat you get rid of these hundreds of thousands of channels a day and the bots just stop creating the channels because it's it's it's literally costing them more money than if they're not making any money at it right so that means there's more ads go around now so now if you are in the partner program that means that you're making a higher CPM you're getting more ads on your videos you're making more money for the same amount of views they knew what if it wasn't there now you're probably thinking but I'm I can't ever get there I can't ever hit that bar it's it's unobtainium for me based on your current trajectory well keep in mind current trajectory is only the way it is because of the ecosystem YouTube literally changed the ecosystem so that the weeds will die and the people that are passionate about creating content will stick around and that you're gonna start seeing a curve if you watch your analytics over time and you upload on the schedule and delight your tags you do your description everything you're gonna start seeing yourself rapidly rising where you didn't before because so many of these scam channels and in fake channels and they're not have to deal with a billion DMCA things from these channels and content matching system YouTube's actually gonna be able to focus on more content creators sell ads for more money and get more ads on videos and the partner program which means you're gonna get to the partner program or faster and then once you're there you're gonna be making way more money than you ever would sitting stagnant because these guys just kept standing on your head yeah no I agree because it's gonna it's gonna take time for it to fix itself but but also to blame for this because they remember about two years ago you and I were driving down a PDX Lam and the news broke and I was reading it from my phone about how they were changing the mana the the mana channel how all videos were gonna have to be vetted before they would be automatically monetized I remember that they never followed through with that they didn't they never followed through with that where they what they wanted to do was push all of it onto the MCMC MTN's didn't want to take responsibility for it so YouTube just left the current system in place which led to where we are today I just wanna I want talk about clickbait titles were quick because everyone looks everyone loves to call things clickbait right if it got your click suddenly its clickbait suddenly but what I've noticed is even mainstream media is having such a hard time competing with new media which is honestly where we reside yeah it's it's sad when even like major news outlets use clickbait for instance this is the CNN title today things are so bad that you can't even get one daughter a dollar out of a bank here okay that's the title the next one Bill Gates made these 15 predictions 1999 and it's scary how accurate he was that's Business Insider oh my god this one is this one is a site called eat this we ranked America's most popular chain restaurants number four will shock you is the icon for that that thing boobs no it's a it's a it's like a shitty looking burger here's one Michael Douglas accused of sexual harassment katy perry was a ripe late to the idol set it's like okay that's not really clickbait as much it's like this wait I need a retard right now grab his drawers at that point yeah Taylor Swift's alleged stalker made these chilling threats yeah that was from Wonderwall it's it's almost like old media is trying to be trendy again by copying the worst trait of new media right like absolutely that is the worst trait today that YouTube is trying to kill yep why you should switch to LED light bulbs right now The Washington Post I know they make it sound like it's dangerous or something if you don't like yeah oh my god what's gonna happen I don't wanna talk about all the abusive parent stuff going on in Paris California which is like only 20 minutes from here by the way let's see flu death prompts warnings from victims families as outbreak continues that's Fox that's not really a click gate article but you see don't say no when you've got major major news outlets using clickbait like that I I don't think the things like okay this the title of this stream was click bait and purpose I think even you laughed when you read it it's ironic click bait as what it is I mean we weren't trying to be serious and like get you in here just to view it there was actually a tag I put in here because there's a lot of people that use add-ons and browser plugins like we do to see the tags on videos you can always tell who's trying to tag things you know dishonestly but I actually had a tag in there that said doctors hate me for revealing this simple life hack that will make you lose weight and get all the hot chicks but it told me the tag was too long you remember back when I used to tweet I went through like a whole like month where all I did was just like tweet all the words as hashtags yeah and then I eventually just got yelled at by yelled at by people and they just start everything was unsub unsub unsub and sometimes like okay as price time doing that yeah I was I was I was basically trying to with their system because all the hat if you put a hashtag before a word on any platform you're basically creating an entry in one of their tables and their base you're eating up their storage and you're eating up their bandwidth every time you create a new hashtag hasn't been used before so if you literally created a bot that just tweeted hashtag garbage garbage garbage garbage garbage garbage garbage garbage just ran that on thousands of thousands of account you'd literally cost a millions of dollars Caleb says Donald Trump has heart disease saw that today yesterday when I was actually having this clickbait conversation with Nick and my wife the article read something along the lines of like Doctor discovers like doctor discover serious heart problem with Donald Trump and my response was yeah they found out he doesn't have one after his doctor the White House doctor cleared him and said that he's exactly one pound under being obese because they added Jonah Oh to make him taller they did you say they're like wait a second twelve months ago he was made shorter right where do you get an extra inch it was just to put him one pound under being obese cuz he didn't want the public like thinking he was obese so we have spent the first half of the show talking about the cryptocurrency stuff which I don't know people necessarily put a cap on that other than their the future is cryptocurrency is more than likely not going anywhere you've got the amount of people that love the the fact that is it is a currency outside of the realm of big bank and government control at least as far as we know that the government can control it I want to talk about one more thing with that but quick I saw a lot of people saying crypto currencies not a currency into that I would call there's anything that you can spend is a currency yeah some can even argue that it's actually more of a currency than standard fiat paper currency because sencence decentralized the value is global you cannot only that they're like we're not gonna take your dollar not only that there are more Federal Reserve notes aka the US dollar in circulation that there actually is gold backing it and that's been that since like the 90s or 80s or something no way since like the 50s I understand yeah there there is there is more there's more paper currency in circulation so if everyone straight-up called in their debt right yeah they're like hey you owe me this much in gold there's not enough there's not enough precious metals or whatever is backing it anymore that's the crater um Vsauce was a Vsauce who is either Vsauce or vice I think was Vsauce I she did a really good video about how much currency is in circulation in the world versus all the banks backing the currency and how it's something like 40 times over what's actually in existence in terms of cold hard currency not just the notes so it's scary but I can see that aspect of the cryptocurrency and I just want to call to everyone's saying that cryptocurrencies not a real currency because if you can spend it and get something for it trade it or barter it it's a currency that's true and cryptocurrency has a direct path the converting to any other denomination social difference they're confusing the term denomination and currency correct crystal it's just it's a global denomination it's literally accepted by anybody that is in cryptocurrency J not knowing we've been off the gold standard since the Nixon administration I just said I just say no he said that I was the one that said that I thought it was like 80s 90s he was the one that was like back in the 50 60 so anyway people not listening again and then yeah the YouTube thing so what I want to do now is the one I want to lift this up a little bit I see a lot of people going what the hell better this was talking about cryptocurrency you're late guys you're about 50 minutes late to this conversation so yeah we can talk about whatever we want now you want talk about well actually before before we tie that up I just want to be crystal clear that we do agree on a couple of things just so that we don't have people coming at us thinking that we don't what what do we agree on I think I think from from what I've what I've vetted during this conversation I think we both agree that cryptocurrency though of no blame to the people that just want to get into it and just use the graphic cards it is causing a supply and demand issue it is that's without there's no debating that it's right and that and that isn't going away that is gonna be a constant and ongoing problem so literally the only way that we can see to solve this right now if graphics cards are still used for mining let's just assume that that has to happen it doesn't look like that's gonna change would be for Nvidia AMD and anybody else creating GPUs that combine the to disable the features of their card that allow for the mining okay which screws us which screws is the less than two it's only screws everybody you know this one pissed me off is everything oh my god AMD and for the gamer they're trying to stop this cryptocurrency blow brick of a thousand cards like directly from Nvidia that's what I was just gonna say is I had I had some people on the inside feeding me information through email like they always do which I never bother repeating and even saying us a source not a source close to the subject not authorized to comment on the matter says I'm not gonna pull that mainstream his name is his name is Jim and he works in but let's just say I was fed a lot of information about how these about how these manufacturers are welcoming the the removal of the middleman like the board partners and then even that retailers selling direct because they they take more of that profit that way and they have been and they had been doing that since the beginning and the whole time and and the to face that goes on between we're for the gamer we're for the gamer we're for the gamer and the whole time they're over here like shuffling over to these guys we're propaganda for the gamers you're exposed that what video was that that you exposed that in where basically they were being I think was like in videos I'm one of those faces it was a indeed it was it's much exposed because they talked about themselves but AMD was like we we understand mining is putting a strain on the on the community and we were for the gamers and then they came out with a mining BIOS yeah yeah they literally like modify the BIOS to make a more effective mining card but as they knew that some writers change remaining optimize drivers for Vegas specifically yeah and to be in to be fair i if you think about it just yep sometimes have to put your business hat on i have to play devil's advocate to myself all times i want to be a certain way i want fat people to be healthy all the time and just be able to fly and drive expensive cars and but i don't fit in them but anyway it's like that grass I'm just saying that if a company can sell their product and it's a guaranteed sell and they can get that money and not having to risk lose it later that's the Avenue they're gonna take no matter what I mean short of selling the cards to terrorists that are like throwing them innocent families and killing them because those heats are heavy can do damage al Qaeda al Qaeda is gonna start farming bitcoins instead of opiate exactly and actually that's know what's funny is there actually is truth there and I had somebody the other day say we need to ban crypto Kurt you were on that thread we're here we need to ban cryptocurrency because being used for terrorism and drugs and all this smells like how is that any different than any other paper currency that's ever been made are they I saw that but if there were so many tweets that came out me the last I probably read like a twentieth of them like one out of every 20 I actually read so cryptocurrency not going anywhere okay that the only way that we're gonna solve the GPU supply demand issue and the cost issue is if the the board partners that are building these cards somehow draw a delineation which they're not gonna do because they're making so much money right now and they're guaranteed to sell their product somebody was like hey you know what micro Center should do like they do with the Intel chips not only do like one per customer okay let me tell you the problem with that is let's say the ten 80s right they have they get a load of 10 80s in and the cryptocurrency guy comes up and he's gonna buy them all at one go for that price that day he's like I want all 12,000 your cards to give you a million billion dollars they're not gonna just sell him one because then what happens when the gamers come in and they're buying I mean in cryptocurrency crashes the next day nobody's buying the 1080s anymore or whatever for whatever reason maybe there's a better graphics card so they're not buying them for crypto all the gamers wanted but they're still too expensive for the gamers then they have to discount them until the cavers can afford them the crypto guys are buying them they've shot themselves in the foot of course any reasonable business is gonna buy low and sell high doesn't matter what you're gonna do so yeah and then as soon as the cost of the cards reduced people weren't going to be that afraid for the initial investment cost to try out mining again eggs so it's just gonna keep doing this self-fulfilling prophecy so in other words stop bickering and fighting and trying to place blame on gaming or actually the Bitcoin miners aren't saying the gamers are causing any kind of a problem although I'm sure there's one miner out there it's like oh I couldn't get my hundred thousand graphics cards from my basement cuz that goddamn pub G needs so much power they're buying up all the 1080 I would love to hear their rant about the gamer from the cryptocurrency perspective if you're that guy in the audience please go make that video and tag me in a tweet and then Jerry Jerry can vet them and send me the good ones yeah there you go there you send a ball to me i'll vet everything cuz i ain't got nothin better to do which is the sad truth it's sad and depressing and I didn't even rip on you this show yet oh man I actually yeah just rip the band-aid off and rip the band-aid off and do it myself cuz you're taking too long I got one I got one ready to go I saw one guy say why is JC window bigger than Jerry's I decided I'm gonna keep it a factor of my channel versus your channel and the windows will continue to change size based on that factor I'm more I'm more invested in in live streaming than YouTube videos now but I do to change that I actually just got that true different today different completely monsters a massive creative style yeah like everybody's tell me like oh my god youtube you know you make a living on YouTube I could not make a living on YouTube if I didn't diversify the money that I make them from YouTube right now wouldn't even pay for my house I'm not even making enough money to pay my mortgage on my house not a little let alone bills taxes nothing I can if I didn't have to pay taxes I still couldn't pay for my house is what I'm making from YouTube right now and that's 700 videos 2.2 billion hours of view time over the last year are you gonna make me go look it up now I haven't looked at these figures yeah go look at that if you hover if you go into the dashboard you hover over total minutes watched it'll give you the hours it'll break it down to hours and the little hover that pops are a little all total total Oh actually we did Nick and I did figure this out the other day it was something like the amount of years yeah cuz I get a bit of through 2017 I averaged between 1 million and 3 million views a month I've seen you spike up to over 10 no never got any higher than like 7.9 could swear that I haven't monitored your ship for a while but I thought that you did you over ten on one month the thing with Terry no it's like 7.9 villas if I remember correctly I think Nick and I determined that we have over a millennia of watch towers it's got to be uh let me see where do we go again that's how often I don't look at these numbers so okay so so inside your dashboard open up analytics for a while watch time then set it for lifetime lifetime well do do you like the network building Oh a year yeah so just go up there and just say like last year or last 365 days so like if I open up if I open up my analytics I'm gonna say last 365 days and then if I hover over watch time I have a hundred and thirty six billion 361 million six hundred and forty five minutes watched in 2017 I don't think that's why you carrying the decimal point right wailed on hundred thousand bucks at work no no 136 million sorry hundred thirty-six million three hundred sixty one thousand six hundred fifty bar yes we're just over a half million so five hundred and thirty seven million eight hundred seventy five six hundred eighteen so if you hover the mouse for that number now it should pop up and tell you how many years in days oh yeah just in the last year we have over 1000 years so one thousand twenty two years two hundred forty seven days I don't like just I'd literally head around those numbers it's just insane are you ready for the lifetime yeah what's the lifetime hold on it's still thinking it's like air man I didn't know you could do this that's I swear to God I never look in this so to add to give you tech support for like an hour before you do the show you don't you don't know anything about software anymore I don't anything by OBS here's a big goddamn sellout CES guy that drives Lamborghinis and bitches about Bitcoin pretty much okay so the lifetime has two thousand four hundred fifty two years watched okay for me it's thirty one thousand three hundred and sixty three years that's crazy I mean if you imagine the amount of people that have spent their time just staring at our face that it doesn't seem like time well-spent no no no when you look at it on that scale and you're like yeah that literally every one of those minutes was somebody either sitting in front of it or they left to play list going or something like that factor that in but still make a difference to me millennia of a viewership it's just it's crazy to even fathom that Wow so so if you guys are thinking 4000 hours is a hard goal to hit just just think about that like it's people just gets caught up on that number they're like holy that's way too much that's way too much but if you have a single ten minute video that's only 60 people a day watching that you might think that that's a crazy number but it really isn't if you're serious about it and you get your out there and you get it tagged properly so it could be found organically can I do a can I do a custom range and see how many minutes watched worm I was in my first month yeah yeah I do that dude do the drop-down on lifetime ago to customer mean maybe this isn't the right time to be doing this during the live stream but I honestly no I'm serious I'm not going ragging it's a perspective it's a perspective because nobody's losing their livelihood nobody no not on 4,000 hours make a livable wage you cannot even make a kid what only lawns on the river can't wait don't forget it's it's the additional 1,000 subscribers but I have find hard to believe if you're if you're like that guy earlier that say they bring in $200 a month that he's gonna lose now but he doesn't have a thousand subscribers because enough views to pull in $200 a month something is seriously wrong and I'm not and I'm not calling him a liar by any stretch I want people to know that we're not we're not calling him a liar we're not invalidating usual situation like that is a real unusual situation I don't understand why because if somebody liked his content enough to watch it that much now here I'll tell you what probably happened because this has happened to me - Jay tell me if you think this is what happened he has one or two videos on his entire channel out of like a hundred that went viral for some reason like maybe he talked about a trending topic or he made a video about iPhone X when it dropped because everybody got a million like instant views on that and in that one video got shitloads of you which skyrocketed him up past the limit but nobody subscribed because it was just the one-hit wonders and it wasn't what you wanted and someone who has spent a lot of time studying viral videos trying to figure out how to get one in himself because I still have never had a viral video right I can tell you right now a viral video spike and fall quickly they they don't they don't sustain $200 a month and if he and if he was then that first month he had to have made thousands of dollars for it to sustain 200 a month in residuals the problem is it doesn't stay relevant long enough it doesn't it doesn't and the fall-off is usually really dramatic as soon as whatever's being talked about goes out of scope and then you get like I've had viral videos now when I say viral I'm saying like you know 3 3 million views right for me would be considered viral in my scope but that's still not even close to my role with some of these videos people create my very my very first month I had fifteen thousand seven hundred and eighty four watch minutes and that was a that was over the course of four thousand two hundred ninety-eight views as my first month on YouTube that was zero subscribers from a zero subscribers start that first month I made my first thousand subscribers by December that's three months so it's not like it can't be done and and I don't know how much different it is now versus then but I see a lot of up and comers who've come up out of nowhere and just been like holy you're killing it so I mean that's my perspective on it i I got it I got a text message from my friend this morning on the way into the office freaking out because he's got plenty of watch towers but he doesn't have the thousand subscribers yet and so he's got to get like 240 more subscribers by whatever the date was and I told him I was like dude you know I know how much he was making because he was telling me right like dude this doesn't kill you this isn't hurting you you know if you're not taking an extra three dollars a month right now and to get thousands I can be sensitive to them wanting to hit that mark though I honestly can be sensitive to even though it's not ruining the bank just the motivation behind keeping that partnership especially against the adversity of everybody else losing it I understand why he wants to do that and I'm not saying he shouldn't but honestly that's not hard to do if you do the right things he just needs literally one video that gets that it's about some trending topic he can hop for something unique on with a good nail and please subscribe at the beginning the video be like if you enjoy my video on this please hit that subscribe button even if like you know a fraction of the people hit it he made there's nothing wrong with asking people to subscribe in fact it's even in the YouTube playbook yep but the thing is I also know for a fact that he's very inconsistent he'll make he'll make a video every few days and then suddenly he will make a video for two months so he's like me basically hey my friend you're talking about Jayden I talk about you know it's not you there would be a much bigger bitching conversation that was it but but you know as well as I do what inconsistency does to the algorithm yes it would favor are you putting up a bunch of shitty videos one after another that performed very poorly then to put up a really good one every other month yeah my channel has the most inconsistent like if you go look at my line even for views and for subscribers it is just jagged is and J yours yours it's actually really good mine looks like the Rocky Mountains do what are you talking about mine I don't want it like mine mine looks like something you could saw an arm off or cut a shark a nap with it looks like a shattered pain because it literally drops down to almost zero at one point like form up fur for growth and vias do you know don't make content people don't watch it and YouTube is all about putting the content in front that people are most likely to watch and not only that the most likely to watch for the longest period of time this is the thing a lot of people don't get is is retention you've heard the word thrown around right yeah a lot of people don't really understand what retention means and it's it's it's more than just watch time retention is basically how they weight your video when somebody is searching for it they want to find the video that has the most views the most aggregated likes and dislikes that that is a step that I'm proud of though there's a lot of things I'm not proud of about my channel but my retention is really high in there is because you do taht you do topics that are very start to finish like you can't really bail out in the middle because you need to hang in there for the final verdict or that to see what the benchmark results are or what the final build looks like you basically are creating content that's exactly what you should be and never give it all up first yeah don't start a video with a picture of your build like complete it and be like this is the computer we're gonna be building today and this is exactly what's gonna look like so my audience retention for the first year of my channel was 37 percent average that's insanely high no that's actually fairly low if we look at the last 30 days yeah retention is 69 percent 69 69 percent that is really high which which helps the algorithm a lot too but I want to I want to comment us something here a lot of people responding to Caitlyn who's in the chat and she said she thinks it's more of a pride thing about being able to say that they are making I know maybe I think what she meant was that because they're able to make something at YouTube yeah I'm the kind of guy that would be like oh you need to put this barrier in my way then I'm gonna busted that barrier okay if you're gonna tell me I can't do this because I don't have this and I'm gonna go get that I'm gonna go get that anymore that's the kind of drive that I have as a person so I feel like if a lot of people took this whole doomsday policy for the small channels and use that as driving motivation there's nothing there's no better motivation given to you than that and that's exactly what I was saying before is I think if you look at it in the right light YouTube is giving you a huge opportunity here but they're intentionally expecting a bunch of people to bow out and the people that bow out are doing it for exactly the reason they want them to do it and that's because they were not creating content to be passionate unique or to draw and build an audience they're building content to either get money or to make a number bigger I didn't maybe I maybe new media and youtubers have become so mainstream now in terms of like how much money people can make up here that a lot of people use that money making as a drive I never did and that's why this is all so strange to me my first my first maybe my first month on their said it was also like $4 I made like $4 the first like $20 check I got like when money started coming in I had to be with an MCN because I could didn't qualify to be and like you can Harvard yeah so so back then I got like 20 bucks or whatever and I got my first 20 bucks I get it okay I get I'm like wow I've made money doing something that I love to do and I'm not saying anybody should not be mad that they fell out of the partner program but what I'm saying is instead of getting really angry at YouTube and being defeatist about it realize that if you're the person that doesn't do what the other 90% are doing and leave the platform in which what YouTube wants and you stick around more if you're gonna have huge advantage this is literally handing an advantage to every single person both in and out of the partner program all the way up from the lowest reg series like all the big youtubers are killing it for everybody because they get all the money and they get all the ads no no no that's not how YouTube works YouTube knows that established youtubers like Jay are gonna eventually fizzle out they're gonna burn out the audience it may be 10 years it might be 20 years but they will burn out their audience they always need new creators so they want the little guys to succeed they just don't want every single little guy doing everything to succeed they want to raise the bar so that the quality comes up so the advertisers will spend more money I was trying to see what my audience retention was on the cryptocurrency video but it's not showing me like an actual retention percentage just show me an average view duration what you say your percentage view your percentage view was for lifetime your your average percentage view lifetime I didn't lifetime they go back to that because I looked up what the first like year was average and I look at the last 30 day average was so lifetime for me with 6 minutes and 28 seconds and the 33 percent average audience retention that's for life there oh my audience retention on that video was 67 percent so that's still right on that average yep what's funny though is like there's a huge spike right at the end where people clicked to that particular number and I'm trying figure out why what if somebody links something in the comments saying hey he said this here and they clicked there okay hold on and then we'll get off the stats page I humble brag all right you want she's like yeah this this this is less about bragging more about showing people that honestly that 4,000 isn't unobtainium it really is you break it down and you look at it and the other thing too is for the same amount of views we're getting today we're not getting paid the same amount of money that always changes yeah you know you you're not guaranteed anything you might join the partner program after getting to 4,000 hours in the CPM might be $1 per thousand and everybody's running ad blocker or thousand monetizable nobody thinks yeah nobody think about ad blocker and all yeah okay so average view duration for you is what for the lifetime I was six minutes and 28 seconds I'd see I'm six minutes 34 seconds so that's the number to apply to everybody yeah it's amazing nobody's got more than six minutes of retention ability everyone it's - that's the other thing - I know I know you got your analytics guy but for me it's like I like to go in and look at the analytics because it tells it tells some interesting information that leads you know you guys know I 2017 was a bad year for me my channel was pretty stagnant I was right on the cusp of getting a million and I basically just like checked out we'll get into details on that but anyways 2018 I'm coming back with a vengeance but the analytics tell that exact tale they as soon as I stopped engaging in uploading videos on a regular schedule in more videos YouTube started devaluing me really fast CPM we were making you were making the money so they pushed me to the bottom cut you know I had 700 videos and I was still getting you know a million two million three million views a month which is great they were still putting me way below people that were only getting a hundred thousand views a month because those people were more consistent and their numbers were coming up yeah its algorithms like this person's going up this dude's washed up and coming down and so they start pushing you to the bottom of the pile and you start to notice that my retention went down my CPM went down viewership then followed right after that subscribership starts going down because less organic people are finding you through the search it's it's interesting when you look at that data because it can tell you a story and it can also tell you when you're headed in the right direction you know if you start playing around with your thumbnails for instance I did this not too long ago Jr remember back now it's messing with all my thumbnails first I ended up going back to random as thumbnails but there's - let people hate his thumbnails but it there is a there is a direct correlation between his view spikes and the thumbnails yep all that matters is if you can look at a thumbnail without looking any text or anything even on a cell phone screen and you can identify that you know exactly whose video that is you are more likely to click it if you follow that person yeah that's true and I would and I could probably the sad part is I would probably get more more clicks on videos if I was the clickbait guy that everyone wants to say that I am if I put my ugly face in the thumbnail every time but I don't I just I just do a glamour shot of the product we're talking about it's just the way I've always liked doing it so in that and that's true but if you but if you did it would give you a boost I'm just throwing Logan all the righteous ammunition aren't I but look at any super viral channel if you go look at any super bro like even buggy like if you even go look at boogies channel he's in every thumbnail yeah what was nails every thumbnail is a screen cat but so are mine I just screen capped the product but but but you know it's him you immediately you could be 50 feet away looking at somebody's cell phone like over their shoulder on a train and you would know that that's boogies video and brand identification is everything thumbnails are the hardest part of the video not for me for me it's the title for me it's making the video fair enough oh my god for me it's actually turning on the camera like literally getting in front of it these days stop taking all my ammunition man I fling him at you dude it's just it's just like great school all over again you know kids come over get ready kick my ass night like I know I'm fat eat too much and just I got don't hit me I might throw up I just please oh my god my penis is small leave me alone I don't know let's go ahead and just liven this up a little bit let's get let's get some good fun funny topics anything on a stick talk allow me to go and check that good sir once I get my mouse back from my crypto mining machine that's running at 100% and just stole it I see me except there on his laptop and on his phone a multitasking dude I'm using a mouse and keyboard sharing software do you ever do that do you have multiple computers where you want to move the mouse and keyboard between them yeah that's it I have seen ologies synergy dude you should use an input director go look it up it's a free open-source software I've never found a software that even comes close to as configurable as you can literally drag and drop entire files between the computers as if they're the same computer you can do that with synergy oh you can't but a synergy is not free open-source though it's like the synergy is like nine dollars a year or something that well that's right cuz they move to that whole cloud thing right or where all the computers just joining the little cloud thing and they all negotiate and figure it out well they do it local I think they might be able to do through the cloud but I've only done it I've only used it locally yeah this input director is just amazing like it's got so many little features and like even you can put do a hotkey to basically block in so the mouse won't freely travel between the screens if you're playing a video game or something like that okay you can screen cap 1 or 2 and then paste it to either machine just with the keyboard here's one talk about someone just asked like in all caps when is the post Malone build coming ok so if you guys remember the initial video we did with the interview he wants the build to be based around his album his album hasn't dropped yet guys so an idea for the case though it's already it's already been handled the content be you gotta hear my idea at least for build two okay I don't do is have a bottle a bottle of painkillers just duct tape to the top of the case and I bought in a rock can of Rockstar I said it's pop and Pili's and feeling like a rockstar I guess but that's like how about a yard hoe take a yard hoe and stick it on the top tune like hot glue it so it's like a yard hoe so it's like a pop and little pill you feel like a rock star and then the hoes don't do it at the north but the problem is rock star is not on the album it's it's not it's not the the beer bongs and Bentley's album right well that ain't gonna work then see this this is why I don't work with post Malone and J does don't worry I could tell you that the chassis has already been okay so that's he's coming back in in a couple of weeks we'll be doing another video here where I'm gonna be revealing to him the chassis and the renders and all that Forex nobody wanted to kind of be involved in that in the early level stuff so I'm gonna get people another chance to bitch and moan that if the build is done because he's gonna come back in and and kind of give me his take on the initial renderings it's very all over again with no crews there's only two videos technically this is probably gonna be three but I need his album to drop though but anyway he's gonna be coming in a couple weeks I'm gonna be showing him the case in person the the way the case is normally and then I'm gonna showing him renders of the custom one-off case that's gonna be built specifically for him where it's the only one in the world that is going to be built this way and it is going to be badass trust me it is going to make anything I have done in the past look like such garbage even the D frame 2.0 case I'm working on right now it's not going to even come close to comparing to this and I'm constantly building these levels of computers for other people than myself but J aren't you aren't you a little concerned that it wants Terry sees that he's gonna come back and be like why did you cry on my case and give me Bob's every gave me so much over that but uh how do these people find you by the way like I bet you that's a question a lot of people want to ask like how the do you got that contrast you got post Malone on one side you got Terry Crews on I mean so or opposites whoa okay so after we did that interview we all drove to Pasadena and we went to Woo's fish tacos and because he was the whole time he was sitting here too I don't know if he was high or what but the whole time he was sitting here he's just like he was he was just like I want wahoos I just really want wahoos it would be sitting here like filming at the end he's like I'm hungry you want the water he's kept saying it then he looks up on Twitter and he was like man that closes wahoos years in Pasadena so I was like well let's go to Wahoo's so we all just met up down there right that's awesome he orders one hundred and thirty dollars worth of wahoo fish tacos and steak the steak so anyway that's all yeah I asked him when we were there I said so let me ask ya I said how did you find my channel cuz I told my site you just thought it was jay-z in the beginning cuz you're a rapper yeah and be pop artists whatever and he was like yeah he goes I have a friend that watches you goes but he said I watch you for like three months he goes I just one day was like I want the guys to cool the I want to do something with him so he does when he tweeted me I was the one that asked him if he wanted a computer he didn't ask for one I was like you wanna maybe build your computer as I sure so just like just like the Terry Crews build everyone's gonna get tested him being like why are all the rich guys get all the free stuff I'm sponsoring it I'm handling it not him so it's a weird discover the kinds of people that somehow are watching your stuff like I remember I would have Red Bull GRC three years ago okay I also get to see who's lurking because member the verified tab I can see who's followed me oh yeah I can tell you I have three pro athletes one in the NFL one in the NBA one in the MLB and a Harlem Globetrotter following me so it's like wait wait wait I'm tryna they just followed me like a week ago what are they maybe you found me through you I don't know but I've got I've got a three major league major athletes following and lurking that's cool I still remember when so the GRC thing three years ago I would bat back when I used to make videos I went to Red Bull GRC and Connor Martel was there one of the GRC drivers and he just won he just the whole thing for lights for GRC lights and I was walking over to him cuz I was shooting the video for the YouTube channel and I wanted to like do an interview with him and he starts walking at me yeah it just starts picking up speed and I watch all your iRacing videos cuz that was back when I had the simulator and I was doing like the stuff with I HUD right and everything and it turns out that the he trains on that like he trains on I racing on the offseason to keep all of his skills sharp and he's like yeah do I watched all your videos and you set up I got a set up just like you got the Thrustmaster this and everything like that I was just like no me like I'm a fat dude the reviews technology and he drives race cars like how did this connect yeah it's cool to see the people that you can reach so I'm gonna go out on a limb here and I'm gonna might break cuz everybody's been calling you fat you know lately so I hope it breaks breaks I can't even go out what I'd be stupid not to get involved with the celebrity builds right but they had fun the fun part is they want to get involved with me so it's kind of a two-way Road it's not like I'm hounding them to I was gonna say something important and now I forgot well the first point was pretty powerful so you know there was a point I was gonna make oh yeah the Terry Crews build I think broke a stigma I think the Terry Crews build broke this whole like it's not cool to be a PC gamer or it's not cool to be into want to be a nerd there's always been that saying that world that nerds will rule the world right yep and I think I think people seeing a guy like Terry Crews who is just like a fitness fanatic yeah not just a celebrity like the opposite ends of the spectrum of rush you'd you'd visualize a game around so I think that that made a lot a lot of people a little bit more comfortable with coming for with me like I'm a gamer I mean yeah people have mentioned like Vin Diesel plays games and and there's other names that people have told me to hit up but I just think he helped break the break that that stigma and so more people are now looking into PC gaming channels and stuff and there's not a lot of us in the PC gaming room I'd say there's probably a good 25 or 30 main channels in this genre which is not a lot in the space of YouTube right so the likelihood of them following or finding someone like me is high and then of course it's up to them to just kind of poke around in the different channels and see who it is they want to wear with maybe my salty real attitude makes it a little bit more comfortable approaching me I don't know maybe they approach the other guys and they said no that I was last pick who knows so whatever no I think it's cool I think that that's really cool because not only the diversity of people that are approaching you basically have somebody who's like if they at the head of the like like what category music would you call it's like rap kind of but it's not really he's not really a rapper oh it's definitely more of a pop artist ah yeah I kind of like the R&B pop but just a little little bit of little tiny bit of almost rap it's not rap those but it feels like it a little bit it's kind of extra that whole culture I think it's cool that you got that on one of the spectrum he's like he's a gamer you got Terry who could flip dump trucks and like that he's a comedian and now he's a gamer and it's like now gamers are cool I mean all of a sudden like overnight I mean you can't say that the game average gate well you can still say the average gamer right now but anyways you know the air curtains in a bucket playing Warcraft mine and direwolves or whatever which J is I hate by the way J is closer to that person than I am oh yeah old the Warcraft Jay loves world over happened thinks is the best game on earth and I guarantee you he'd play it more than pub G I never I never said it's the best game in the world but I do play it and I do raid and I do have like an it's not a super high level havin an eye level 947 feral druid that I do heroic throne I mean he tells by anyway 15s the 16s are pretty easy now compare that they used to be but you know it all has to do with completing your emissaries and getting a little bit better chances for loot drop although the new patch did just make now getting withering essences and the fact that you can actually now farm your own Legendary's is actually pretty cool aspect I think it takes a lot of the farming aspect of the guys like me who really works for that stuff now they're just kind of handing it out to everybody but you got to let the people catch up I do play a lot of Warcraft I'm sorry I was gonna ask you to name all the armor on your character but that you just went off on like ten times worse it's like I can't even tell you a pub G like how to equip a weapon that's a little thing right now someone said Jay is doing pet battles all day I have never done even one pet battle the fuck's a pet battle basically Warcraft one or Blizzard wanted to kind of cash in on the whole like pokemons go thing okay so they came up with pet battles where you could actually battle your pets in like a battle arena so he literally just ripped off pokemons pretty much but then Peter got mad oh you're joking on creatures what the meta people like you could tell who plays Wow in the chat Oh God there he goes yeah you got everybody going on that one I like wow what can I say yeah I just like I just like sitting in my chair relaxing I'm gonna tweet out the stream one more time because apparently the first time I tweeted out I didn't I didn't put a URL in there you know people actually did actually click on it it ends in 8 minutes okay oh you're oh we all got a minutes left it's 62 okay only only 8 minutes left better hurry any server first nope I've never been a part of a server first I'm not a hardcore Raider I've only cleared all of throne through normal the problem is the raid nights that they're doing heroics and mythix raids I'm busy doing stuff with the family he's showing we get to play late at night and the guild I belong to you likes to raid on Tuesday mornings after server reset I am so sorry that I brought that topic up 3d printing by the way really Wow is still 2002 hey stupid it started in 2004 I'll admit though I have to admit though that when wow first came out for the first probably 5 or 6 years I did off-and-on play it and I did get one of my characters maxed out before an expansion sort of an exponential reduction in frames per second now in raids every since act seven point three point five I've noticed so any of that see I go this since the new patch on Tuesday although the lovely revamp is nice now at the level you know the zone you're in levels with you to a max level of the stakes team you know I'd be really stay on track now in the lobby it's very cool but I noticed that in terms of like just overall game performance it's actually degraded quite a bit oh my god the see see the difference between you and me is like I just sit there and push the buttons and look at the pretties and you've actually figured all the out why you're a clicker oh my god dude not not only that the last two no three MMOs let up late events beers just set that warframe better than Wow warframe no I disagree with that I don't even play it good work for him stupid we're friends dumbest game ever made doesn't work for him that pay to win game looks like I'm PlayStation and PC and everything I think it is hey it is well I brought that on you guys I apologize for that I pushed J's button and saying he went off on a tangent about World of Warcraft I knew that was gonna happen I didn't think was gonna be that severe you know yes are you alive oh he's unwary just walking around the studio which is actually a pretty hungry food what you might be eating right before bed but people can't see is the fact that I have a boom mic here that's picking up the mic for the stream but I have a wireless mic attached to me so Jerry can hear me that's awesome hey Jay what I was gonna say is the last three memos I played which would be world of warcraft EVE Online and I can't run the name of the third but I played a what was it called anyways all three of them I literally got so bored playing them and grinding that I just went and got the macro tools and just macaron it instead I had more fun building the macros just to play the game for me than actually playing the game ADHD boro ADHD that that's where that comes right you know what that's what makes a good developer is when you're so ADHD that you just code everything you automate everything cuz you just can't be bothered playing it so then you become really good at automating things and it turns out the automation is a skill that every business wants these days if you want to get into the computer business and you want to go work at a company learn how to write automation tools or how to use pre-existing automation tools in YouTube will be assured a job replacing other people with automation true story chipmunk J confirmed I didn't shove it in my cheek ladies I mean guys highly anticipated fake news words such a dumb president oh my god sorry I just people say stay away from politics nope I'm not not even political I'm just saying the guy's dumb if I ran into him on the street it's toupees on Justin's so he didn't kill himself it's two-faced too tight that's all yep anyway in all seriousness I do I do love I do love my war crafts you do I also do love I I'm gonna say it are you ready yeah do it I also like battlefront to what I wasn't thinking that I thought you were gonna say battlefield 4 no I haven't picked out put forward in like a year and a half I'm level 4 in battlefield 1 that's how much that bomb that's my opinion I love Star Wars and I love the storyline I have played like 5 online matches and battlefront but I've played through the entire campaign in battlefront 2 and I'm waiting for the 3rd chapter to LA or the third campaign chapter to go or to drop but yeah I've been I've actually enjoyed it it's okay because it so it takes place parallel along the movies so it starts off it starts off with you playing parallel to the the endured fight in Return of the Jedi okay and then it goes forward to you basically going all the way through to the battle of jakku which takes place between Episode six and Episode seven right because member when you see Episode seven there's already the crash starter stores stuff in the dirt in the sand and remember ray is like scavenging through the Stardust for su we actually played the campaign of that battle which is really neat and then and then it jumps forward in the future is taking place during episode eight and then now the next one's probably gonna come in it's probably gonna line up with whatever is gonna be coming next to them so it kind of fills in some of the blanks and stuff like adds to the story you're not just playing as the story or does it add it doesn't really answer any questions of what takes place in the movies you do play as Luke at one point after Return of the Jedi where he goes on this sort of like it's sort of a Vision Quest where you know that compass that he had yeah so you play him finding that compass well that's kind of cool yes so there's some conviction there's some tie-ins but it's it's it's parallel entirely parallel so it doesn't one does it rely on the other to make sense during the loading screen do you play a minigame reaches mukha milk a giant sea walrus for blue milk and spray it in your face man that was such a disgusting scene dude when I saw that like and you know me I love I love just up like that's my thing but I I lost it like but I and it wasn't because I couldn't handle that it's just so unexpected that the last thing I expected like they could have literally just like like just had like I don't know like porn playing right there and it would have been no more out of place well I think it was intended to be this cringe factor of showing just how off the grid he's become that's pretty off the grid man I mean the fact that he called the lightsaber a laser sword shows that he truly was just like walked away from everything right yeah and I still laughed at the beginning of the movie but he just grabs and they made it such a big deal at the end of episode episode just grabs it just walks it over the hill like not to bring that to you uh spoiler alert if you guys haven't seen it two months ago whatever yeah right now it's not a spoiler I'm sorry spoilers spoilers have a statute of limitations okay mm-hmm and it ain't coming to DVD because if you're waiting for it to come to DVD you didn't want to watch it and get watch it hard enough J AMD or Intel in 2018 I could tell you both have you both have new platforms coming out already and let's just say by springtime really confused by the whole intel AMD thing they're both processors no no but I'm just saying it's still we still can't wrap my mind around till the whole like its its Intel and AMD right that are like working together it's like an AMD ya know it's a it's an intel intel cpu with an AMD like a shape down to Vega a GPU like who got drunk in a meeting and me I still don't understand like how that happened like Intel's easy it's easy an enemy of my enemy is my friend it's exactly what it is apparently like Intel wanted to Intel from all the rumors that are credible that I have heard back in like 2010 2011 yeah until tried to acquire Nvidia to become a graphics division for Intel I heard about that Jensen wing was basically like you gave the double deuces and Intel basically at that point was like we vow to destroy you and of course they don't have the ability to well not only that but they worked like side by side with them for years when I worked at Microsoft Nvidia and Intel team were like in each other's like lapdance in each other over remember we're talking about the leaders the the guys at the helm that were having this discussion not that not the grunts right don't run have to work together but anyway Intel and AMD have basically teamed up to do everything they can to cut the market share that Nvidia currently has and that's they're trying to do it based on APU because it's just everyone knows Intel's mobile CPUs were significantly better than AMD anything AMD had to offer leading up to Raisa and I and I would still say that applies today and before you guys get mad at me and be like what about the rise in mobile it's literally a desktop chip put in there I have one sitting over there so it's still not a mobile chip right yeah so if you want to make an ultra-thin form factor you use Intel but Intel doesn't know how to make graphics to save their life their life iris graphics come on give me a break so what are you do you like your surface book right I love my surface book but I know I can't do anything on it but some some light office work and browse the Internet like dude mspaint stresses that remember when you tried the stream from yours when you were here yeah yeah it's weird I never but I didn't buy it intending to do that so but anyway my point is what if you could have a Microsoft Surface that has the power of like a gtx 1070 in it that'd be pretty badass yeah so it's gonna have a graphics an APU ultra-thin fat a thin form factor ultra light power needs that's designing - that's intended to try and cut into the NVIDIA mobile market because Nvidia dominates the mobile market right yeah I'm not looking forward to having to wear oven mitts though to operate it yeah I have no idea what to expect on temperatures Oh actually that's that's my biggest complaint with this little razor phone right here and it gets so hot yeah oh my god it's all metal right the whole thing is just a giant heatsink house last night I was playing a game that actually the graphics on it you're even better than intend to switch on some of the games I'm said they're playing 120 Hertz whatever like this is awesome and it made my hand actually uncomfortably warm so but but it's it's actually a pretty pretty neat little phone but you could tell they were just going to like set some records and they really dropped the ball and some other but I will be reviewing that shortly well it's time to go so any final thoughts I'm surprised with so many viewers in here and the light to dislike ratio is actually quite high for a live stream I'm proud guys thank you for that yeah I'm uh I didn't expect any of this honestly that's for coming back after such a long time and everything I didn't think they were gonna have that many people just jump it in here yeah so anyway a lot of people a lot of people were asking like where are the held check talk go but it was this bad timing when we brought it back cuz of the holidays but we're back it's 2018 and everybody every time we stop doing I still get the same messages from everybody in the same comments on the videos everything is like oh man Jay dumped you off Tech Talk he's not doing dick tuck anywhere dick no I'm back I'm back he's gonna be seen on the internet so the other friends lost I lost a bunch of weight so he needs a fab friend he's got to be seen somewhere on the internet guys that's right already shirts say 99 little bugs in the code 9 a little bugs take one down pass it around a hundred and seventeen little bugs in the code you know this to be true work in a nightie my friend you know that to be true God if only people could actually get regression testing down all right we're gonna go guys I got no outro sorry Jerry you wanna right here I'll do that Carol hold on thanks for watching get Thursday 5 p.m. if Jay doesn't cancel it because you have post Malanda like I don't know get honest lease or something I don't know post malone's my new friend replacing barnacle
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