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all right well I I don't know I'm just gonna work or not I don't really care I mean you guys are lucky we even getting a live stream today man I'm dealing with so much shit today wait I do have an intro set up on this yes I do have an intro I actually thought about that oh yeah welcome to Jeff talk 159 where there's gonna be lots of leg and audio issues and buffering and shifting and you okay he's not he's not watching this dream he's not he's not even a mod for us he's down he's downstairs dealing with that paint crisis what a dick man no no coconut monkey is like the nicest guy which is probably one of his faults way too nice for you anyways yeah so what's this what's his paint crisis that you're talking about here okay so I guess we're gonna jump right in the car talk right guys for small it out of the way guys you're gonna see audio and video late sync issues with this stream OBS is not playing nice on skunkworks right now and I don't have time to fix it obviously I'm not at the studio I'm at home in our guest room which is where skunk works slash my gaming rig lives and that bad that bed that bed makes a very good doghouse bed actually I've never slept in this bed so there's that dude it's hard as a rock but for some reason that's comfortable it's not that hard anymore enough people have stayed over now like for the weekend and stuff that it's actually pretty broken in now oh good good no oh okay yeah you like to bitch and complain that you know I'm not a good friend I bought this fucking bed for you you're a Good Man Charlie Brown this exists because when you were coming over the the last time I was like I don't want Jerry to have to sleep on the couch or in in little J's pink bed again so I I literally pulled out I literally pulled out the guest PC murder leads me to pcs in here when this was my stream of that yep I yanked all that out so that I could put a bed in here for you you're a good man Jay you're a good man okay so if you guys saw in my zeal one video I put up yesterday in the beginning I talked about the fact that I am one of the featured cars at Camaro con taking place intimate kela well a good friend of mine who is also a service member in the United States Air Force has a 5th gen 2 SS full bolt on Camaro and he basically was planning on coming out here and and you know his wife's family lives out here in Southern California so he was coming out here he's me one of the featured cars - in the fast tech booth with me and he decided in February he was gonna get the car repainted and it was it's repainted with with Auto dip it's not that plastidip it's like a higher-end plastidip I guess I don't know I'm not personally a fan of peel coat but anyway I just like paint it the right way or don't do it at all it's kind of the way I am and the base coat and everything looked phenomenal it was like a matte kind of a gunmetal II black color with red flake in it it looked amazing because it's because his car is like kind of based after Deadpool like he's it's a red and black car and he was like he just called the Deadpool right well now it looks like Deadpool because they fucked up the paint so bad it literally looks like Deadpool skin so we have been downstairs all day paint correcting and sanding and buffing and it doesn't look good at all like it it's not ever going to look right because there are fish eyes and there are runs and the paint and everything and and we're already dealing with like some places we're burning through the clear coat before we even get it smooth and even Don top so if you know anything about paint correction then you know I am fighting an uphill battle that is that we were going to lose it's just we're trying to get the car somewhat presentable but yeah it's it's not going well so and then here's that here's the other thing you ready for this he he installed his long tube headers yesterday drove it from Eric from Tucson Arizona to here in Southern California straight through today so of like six and a half hour seven-hour drive ok he gets here to my house I meet him here before he pulls up I'm waiting in that in the outdoor furniture area like where our little it our courtyard air atrium thing is with the outdoor like patio furniture I'm sitting there waiting for him he pulls up into the driveway and the first thing I smell is oil I'm like dude I smell oil from under your car he's like really I was like yeah I I'm sensitive to that I smell oil is like I'm sick of my nose like in the cowl at the back of his hood like smelling like oh my god yeah I totally smell oil he's like huh interesting so I back my car the zl1 out of my garage and we pull his 2 SS in and where he had stopped like there was all kinds of oil on my driveway as like dude look you were pissing oil everywhere we jack up his car we look underneath the entire bottom of his car from front to rear is covered in oil the bottom of the bottom of the engine the suspension the transmission the exhaust covered in oil and so what he what we figured out he did was when he did his long tube headers and he put his dipstick back on he totally missed like where the dipstick goes into the pan so it was just shit it was just shitting oil that whole trip all out of that hole all over the bottom of this car so the pressure and the crankcase was just blowing it out of the hole yeah but he drove seven hours like that how much was left in the crankcase did you I don't know I I so it measured empty but the thing was when he measured it it wasn't even going into the pan so I was like dude so here he fixed it and he put it in and he's like off the bottom of the low side but his oil pressure and temperature stayed okay it's just I told him I was like dude you know you don't even know how lucky you are if you've got any problems they might not show up until later you need on your next oil change you need to look for sparkle and your oil but so yeah what is like turned into the paint crisis I was trying to fix the mummy pulls up I'm like dude you're pissin oil all over my driveway and I'm like this is just like the neverending nightmare of car stuff today he is so lucky that he made that long of a drive yeah yeah I know cleaning that oh my god we're just I mean just a vacuum tube just driving down the road and have an air flowing over the hole you think it'd just be cooked pulling a constant stream out of there like quarts 3-hour he had the dipstick tube like in the hole but it was misaligned so it wasn't like the whole quarter inch hole or whatever it is was just wide open it was like God mostly blocked it's just it was enough for while he was driving at freeway speeds to just have it do the pressure underneath the car just carrying it to the back of the car well I hope he doesn't later on find out that he's got a knock in the engine from that eleda but but I mean it sounds to me as long as he wasn't like hammering on it and shit and he's probably gonna be alright yeah that's crazy though had enough and had 49 al says lol his next oil change should be right now yeah that's where he and coconut monkey are right now they went to get oil they came by they they gave me my Starbucks he gave me Starbucks for you know that's all he's paying me to help him with his paint and stuff his Starbucks which I didn't even ask for but he he went he got this what he went to get his new oil so we could do his oil change wise here but then he got the wrong oil so so how are you gonna correct the paint where you gonna just say it where usually just sand it down and like reapply the paint that he had and then try to clear it again I mean he already did a wet sand himself which was not a very good job but here's the thing his paint is so uneven I told him I said look I'm it was really cloudy to like the picture I should have prepared pictures to show it it's so bad but I showed you pictures didn't I you did you showed me one picture where I mean it literally looked like it was Ryan aligned yeah look like Grindr later yeah I so I've got like a three-stage paint correction because I have all the proper paint correction equipment I said I know how people know this in college I did Auto Body and so I know how to correct paint but it's one of those things I keep telling them like dude first of all this is not like regular paint this is this is dip I have no idea this stuff's gonna react it's super thick and here's the thing on top of this is it's got flake in it so what looks like fish eye and a bunch of dimples is actually the flake making it like the flake is supposed to be like point zero to five millimeter which is huge freakin huge for metal flake in paint got mirrors in it it's so bad yeah I mean we're just at this point now where we're just trying to get the car to shine a little bit but either way I told him was like it's gonna get called your car Deadpool because that's about the theme you got here I'm not trying to be an ass it's just we're just trying to minimize the no other cars should have survived that trip like honestly I don't leave my Subarus pretty hardcore and I think if I left the dipstick out it would just all the oil would find its way out of that hole from Tucson to almost LA County that is a long that's a long way to go with oil just flowing out of your pan good good thing it's a Camaro and it has like 85,000 quarts of oil in it if it wasn't the Exide Exxon Valdez it probably wouldn't made it to your house yeah I don't know I don't know what the ls3 s had but I know my lt4 has 11 quarts of oil that's insane yes guess how many quarts my little soupy male 2 point 5 out of 5 5 you don't have to put the 5 in you know when you drain it usually have about half a quart stuck in 90 little little holes you know up inside of the block and it never comes out because it's horizontally opposed right so you never have a part where the oil can completely drain into the pan yeah so your oh you always have puddles in the cylinders the only way to actually get a full oil change on a Subaru is the rock the son of a bitch yeah techno scope says 50 coats of clear yeah they basically did 50 coats of clear just all in the one coat it's so thick in some areas it's not even so there's bubbles in it so whoever hooked up the gun like didn't check the pressure enough it just kicked it on it's not bubbles it's um the base so the way this goes is it lay down a base coat right the base coats black like a matte black actually all paint when it goes down is pretty much matte right until you get clear on it wait here we go J most reviewers came in to for the GTX 1080 let alone a $70,000 drag car get back to computer stuff already shut the fuck up shader aid no one gives a shit what you think and first of all it's not a drag car it's a road race car and what my viewers can and can't afford it's not something I can do anything about so basically you can take your pansy on ask somewhere else I don't even the fuck what you think about my car second of all great second of second of all when it comes to the to the paint process they laid down this black now the black almost looks like a gunmetal first of all like the back the black doesn't look black until it's clear on it then it gets really deep right okay so he's all the scratches and stuff they sent me pictures of what it looked like when the base coat was put down and it looked amazing then they laid they mix up the flake in the next layer of paint right and then they spray the the flake layer like if you ever seen the way that like lowriders are painted like oh yeah they look like disco balls but there's so many layers of paint on that yeah but the thing is they do it in such thin layers like lay layer it and layer and layer it the problem is this guy just did like heavy ass coats and so every single coat like that was pretty much so thick and the the the micron size of the flake was so big that they could never get the layer smooth and then they just put like four times the thickness of a standard clear coat on top of all that which just sealed in all of that uneven surface now what's gonna happen if you have like if you have an uneven surface underneath all right here's a perfect example when you're looking in the water right of the ocean you know some water looks lighter blue some looks darker blue that's cuz the depths underneath the surface are different depths the surface is the same level but you have these different depths underneath that so that's what your hey we're getting with his clear coat is it doesn't look even because the depth of paint underneath is not level and that's why I'm trying to explain them no matter how much we wet sand no matter how much we polished how much we we cut it and clear it or polish it it's not gonna look right because the base coat underneath is so jacked up oh my god Jimmie's is no tech dog is in the word it's pink TechTalk it's it's in the fucking description what does it say warning it's the tech you might get publicly ridiculed it's right there in your face and you still ask speaking of tech guys I heard there was a little bit of a Bitcoin rebound and then it like went away as fast as it rebounded yeah bitcoins not it's not really following its trend of of dropping in half and coming right back to double its it's floundering a little there there might be some hope here for Bitcoin starting to starting to stagnate a little it's actually something I wanted you to talk about junior audio is distorted is my audio sound of stories like it's uh crackling I mean you cut out every once in a while like ever so slightly but it's like you hardly even noticeable I'm gonna turn down the mic gain the mic itself you know I bet you Windows is like turning up my mic yeah you're running Windows 8.1 on that machine right I I am that's a garbage OS that is garbage oh I see what's happened here okay yeah it cranked the microphone audio and I want the Yeti to give me my my audio levels so let's do that maybe that'll be a little bit better you'll get a little bit more bass in your voice right there okay here's what here's what I want to do I want you to talk about this so-called ASIC minor for aetherium do you know anything about it is this the new I am red anything about it yet I know it has exist I was hoping you would talk about it good because well I keep well because we we had heard that it was a theorem was like designed not to work with a six and that's why GPU because of the memory speed and all that is why GPUs are utilized but it looks like and you guys ready for this the Best Buy in Montclair you guys know where Montclair California is the best buy in Montclair we went in there the other day they had both a 1080 and a 1080 TI in stock at MSRP I was like shocked so hopefully that's a sign of things to come hoping alright well let's see here so right now I'm just trying to identify who I'm guessing it's probably gonna be aunt minor because they're always they always seem to be the ones that make the Asics first let me go check the if you guys know in chat who makes the actual etherium minor I want to go look at it because remember I did talk about this on a previous show that the only thing preventing them from making an ASIC minor is that it would have to be hybrid because it needs really fast memory it would need like ddr4 ddr5 memory and that didn't seem like that was that hard of a problem to solve yeah let's see here the Panda minor b3 + aetherium z cache Manero minor ok that's not gonna be an ASIC 1,900 bucks no that's that's just a computer uh see do they have any theory 'm I'm looking here I don't see any aetherium miners on here uh let's see your oh it was right after they announced bit main then oh bit mean okay let me check while you're looking that up a shadow saber he said yo I started making my own racing sim was wondering what games you've been playing so far I've got assetto corsa and so far it's been really fun project cars 2 is infinitely better than project cars one in terms of tracks available the vehicles available there's grid Autosport as i think it is it's more arcadey but it's still good eye erasing is gonna give you the most realistic exceeding the experience but the problem with AI racing is subscription-based and with the exception bandy with the exception of the base tracks and cars they give you everything is like either 12 or 14 bucks that's expensive damn I keep burping it's like expensive I have easily spent $1,500 on eye racing since you introduced me to it three years ago so it adds up a lot all right so I think I found it it's the ant miner III yeah I just I just found it hold on how are they actually are for sale right now - yeah man it really makes me what this is this is me hoping that this this is going to bring things back to normal so let's see right now so it looks like batch 1 so they did the brand new right these are brand new the units are actually fairly big - so I'm thinking they might not actually be a six they might actually just be fully integrated miners let me check here I want to see what the notes on the unit are because this does this doesn't look like a conventional ASIC it's it's it's too damn big someone says what about Forza Motorsport 7 yes you can play it obviously through you know Microsoft on the on the desktop the problem is it's very Arkady if you're looking for a very realistic driving experience Forza is really designed for controllers and it's just not that realistic so I mean but yeah I mean it's it's another it's for is this a fun game to just like build cars and go in thrash him you know I mean yeah all they are saying it's an e-cig minor ok so I've got some information here ok take it away so so so it looks like right now okay so it's 800 watt power consumption that's actually a pretty steep power consumption it generates 180 mega hash a second which is pretty respectable as a matter of fact I think 180 is just slightly less than what I get off to Titans so that's pretty pretty respectable for something that's pulling 800 watts on the standalone yeah let's see so it is uh let's see 180 mega hash the second it they do classified as an ASIC though they say it's the world's first eath hash ASIC miner ordering limit of number of miners available in China you can mine aetherium through cloud mining contract with hash Flair or Genesis mining if you want to buy any one of these mining metrics based on two hundred and thirty-eight thousand Giga hash a second they don't give any specs on it which is weird because they're calling it an ASIC but they're not they're not giving any details they don't even talk about the memory that's inside a thing but then again you know it might be one of those things where they're just trying to keep it a closely guarded secret and somebody needs to get ahold one and crack it open can you explain something to me yeah no it comes as no surprise that I'm pretty stupid now I don't really know what the difference between an ASIC miner is and and the computer doing it or GPU right yeah yeah okay I mean I know it's a sick quality is so of course I'm always confused by like what's the difference of an ASIC miner and I'm thinking of ASIC quality so and I know what Asics are so explain to me what an ASIC miner is okay so the ASIC miner is literally a piece of hardware that is designed just to do the one hashing algorithm and nothing else there's no overhead there's no additional instructions it doesn't have programmable chips on it so it's not having to go through any kind of a logic chain to figure it out it's like if you had a calculator that was Hardware basically the only did one mathematical function over and over again it would be way faster than having something that had to have software logic built into it to do it yeah so the idea what the ASIC is you basically have a piece of hardware where you feed at a number or feed at a set of numbers or a set of data and it processes it through a chain that only processes the data in a very mechanical way it's digital but it's doing in a mechanical way is it only handles the data in one possible way so it moves really fast and can cycle way faster than a conventional chip like like like an x86 or x64 chip that has you know a ton of instructions and has to go through you know 30 or 40 different cycles on the CPU to do some very simple operation the ecig just does it all in one operation hmm so so it can do it incredibly fast it's it's pretty much the most efficient way that you can do any kind of mathematical computation now that was great for for doing Bitcoin mining because Bitcoin mining just required you to literally guess a number it would give you something called a seed and you would use that seed in this very specific algorithm to generate numbers and the per first person to generate a number with so many leading zeros randomly basically won the coin so it was all it was all just basically the lottery aetherium works a little differently because aetherium generates these tables in real time like huge look-up tables of these numbers and it requires a shitload of memory to do that and the more memory it has the faster the operation is so now what the ASIC has to do is the ASIC has to get its data and process it out of these tables that are dynamically generated and the GP was really quick at doing that because of how fast the memory was it really didn't matter how fast the GPU was it was more about the memory on it so then how come in the beginning everyone was saying you can't mine a theory and when an ASIC because it's designed not to and now suddenly they're doing it because everybody was making the incorrect assumption that the thing would have to be 100% an ASIC this is not 100% in ASIC obviously it has memory somewhere inside of this ASIC build is some kind of chip in really fast memory that's capable of building the tables and all the ASIC is doing is the math yeah so so it's a hybrid solution any way you look at it but it's 800 bucks which is gonna be way cheaper than any GPU that's gonna be able to mind at 180 mega hash a second so that's good for the GPU industry like people are probably buying these up by the thousands right now I didn't see who said it the comment was by a minute ago that the etherium ASIC is like it's too late for it to make a difference I mean why would that oh no way no no no way at all like even people are still buying new generation Bitcoin miners today yeah even though Bitcoin mining is like pretty much under the bus as far as people buying them for a whole new Slyke setting up your own minds and everything I don't see a bunch of people throwing away their GPUs and going and running and buying these things but if you're running a crypto mine somewhere like in China oh I'm sure they're already stocking these things on the shelves and grow and everything else away that's what that's what brings the market back to normal is right just have to stop buying the GPUs as a tool because if there's a better tool right yeah right I mean I guess the question is which which has the better ROI right you can't see a price on these ASIC miners it's $800 for this one that does 180 mega hash a second but but the what the past has shown us is that all cryptocurrency mining equipment isn't priced based on the technology in the Rd it's priced based on its profit probability in the given time so like tomorrow if aetherium doubles in price this is now a $1600 miner they will adjust the price literally daily on this thing depending on the the profitability of aetherium so where does that place it in terms of its efficiency of you know what it's hash rate is versus what GPUs can do well it says right now okay so the price tag $800 III minor is about as expensive is one pair of rx 580 graphics cards or three gtx 1060 s you aren't getting anywhere near the same sort of hash rate for that sort of money with consumer graphics cards so that tells us right now that because 180 like i said my two titans is having a hard time doing the other says sounds really high he says it's a really high hash rate so basically you'd need three GTX 1060 s and then some to hit that mark so the 800 ollar price point is actually quite cheap as a Scott Knight says all the first batch was 800 so it's probably already inflated probably let's go here let's go see back and go tube it means website because they sell direct as a matter of fact a lot of my mining equipment that I had for for Bitcoin was from these guys Hughie's diver in chat says who's making these bitcoin cards they're not Bitcoin cards or ASIC miners by bit main right yep yeah they're of the ant minor and minor let's see here ant minor let me find the eath met they've only got one right now oh Jesus okay so just give you an idea of how much the inflation was batch one was eight hundred dollars okay batch two is twenty one hundred and fifty yeah okay for the exact same hatchery so just like I told you eight hundred was when they first came out so now the etherium is rebounding and going up rapidly again and it's not a rock bottom now they're they're three times as much Wonka Willie says it's equivalent to six rx5 80s or 610 70s bit Maine released them three hundred risking aetherium for get their new who said not forking bit Maine raised price huh wait six ten 70s what he said no shit well fuck I was way off than if that's the case even moving that even at $2,100 base what it cost to buy six of those graphics cards you're still safe anybody getting this thing true 2150 I'll be using a lot less power yeah and the thing is as people bring these online because the hash rate is so incredibly high and they can just run 24/7 maintenance free and they don't have all the problems that come along with having an entire like you know operating system and shit you're gonna find that China's gonna start bringing these things online and like oh I guarantee you as fast as bit man is making these things they're selling them is it is it then is it unfeasible to think that people might just go well the etherium you know ASIC miners are just too expensive I'm going back to GPU only if the ASIC miners become more expensive than GPU and that'll never happen cuz bit-bit main knows they will never be able to sell them if they don't undercut the GPU market the whole reason for the thing that exists is to undercut the GPU market right more hash rate for less money and that's what they're trying to do so so if GPU start going down in cost tomorrow they will have to start artificially deflating the cost of their unit regardless is and they're gonna make money on I guarantee these Asics that they're building don't cost them a hundred dollars to build these things if that probably cost them like 30 40 bucks to build these things Chris unless there's a shitload of member in there that's ddr4 ddr5 then it's probably significantly more but they don't say Chris Kasper Zek Casper's acts as Vegas I get 50 mega hash per second that means you need more than three of them technically to match that rate hundred eighty right yeah this is 180 and you're doing it with 800 watts I don't know what the power consumption would be on those GPUs once you factor in the system that you need around it to support there would be a lot more than a hundred watts to run three Vega cards even if they're Vegas right sixes right empower efficiency is kind of like the reserves there like unjoin under load the vega cards actually pull more than 250 watts each yeah actually whoa so so the so the fartist said 310 ATT is is only pulling 162 mega hash yeah so so even at 2150 these things are a steal like if you were looking to buy something to mind a theory him you would not be looking at a GPU now you'd be looking at an ant miner III okay let's let's change the topic here to CPUs so junaid cosas host whatever I'm sorry I messed up renamed it said so you like the new Verizon - for editing rendering or other work as compared with i7 8th gen 8700 K and other high-end Intel CPUs I think what he's asking me as if I think rise into is a better work workstation slash rendering CPU than an 8th gen 8700 K in terms of these for poor people in terms of heavily multi-threaded workloads the 2700 X is indeed going to hand the 8700 K it's ass as far as I'm concerned but the 8700 K is gonna have better single-threaded performance the thing is that's such an argument that doesn't doesn't hold up any more this look that was that was a good argument ten years ago when dual cores had only been out for a few years and then people were still coding for the single threaded optimization and I think Jerry you would agree that things are so much more heavily optimized towards multi-core multi-core enhancement now our multi-core threading that the argument of yeah but Intel's better at single core performance just doesn't hold up anymore where if you can get a 2,700 X which is cheaper than an 8700 K to give you perspective here 8700 K is 6 core 12 threads mainstream CPU it's about 4.5 to 4.7 gigahertz and it runs really freakin hot because it's like it's like the it's like the Haswell Edition all over again where they just did a very poor job at putting the thermal paste on or they use bad you're wrong thermal paste that's got longer life it gives you terrible temperature in between they'll run upper 80s to low 90s under load and so you can get an 8 core 16 thread so you've got four additional work threads with 2700 X that's cheaper it's cooler and uses less energy so if you're doing very heavily multitec multi-threaded workloads or running multiple programs at a time I would rather take the more cores more thread and maybe a 5 percent reduction in single threaded performance to have more cores would you or would you would you not do that the only I agree with you by and large like if you look at somebody's average workflow but there's still a lot of edge cases that are very dependent on single threaded performance like for instance many of the codecs like the h.264 codec or is it 2 6-4 yeah the 2 6 for the 2 6 5 is way better but the 2 6 for codec is still heavily single-threaded so you're getting you're gonna benefit hugely from having more megahertz versus more coarse however the flipside of that is is most of the stuff with games and most of the gaming engines that are being built today and most of the newer software like DaVinci Resolve for instance in the video editing world it's all more heavily multi-threaded so you're gonna benefit way more from the multi-threading than you would from the single threaded a performance but I do agree that it's like 5 10 percent I mean 10 percent would be like astronomically the tops you're not gonna see that much of a gap anymore it's hugely diminishing returns like even if one if you're running on the one CPU and the CP is 20% faster on the single thread versus having two threads that aren't quite as fast I don't think you're gonna notice like any huge significant difference in most of the stuff that you're gonna do here's here's where we are when I first started YouTube in 2012 August 26 2012 I had an FX 81 20 at the time 8 horas 4 cores 8 threads technically actually it was more like anyway won't even willing to get into the to the bulldozer argument of whether or not it's truly a an eight-core fork or whatever right they were more of course than hyper-threading yeah but the thing was the cores were sharing l2 cache so it was yeah so anyway two cores per per l2 level two cache and it was they were shared between the two it was okay but it wasn't great it did not compete very well with Ivy Bridge Ivy Bridge 30 3770k was just destroying it in terms of IPC single-threaded performance you name it it was handy has has to it back then you could physically notice a difference of taking an ad that's let's say an 81 an 81 50 or even an 80 let's say in 83 50 right when it matured a little bit maybe took an 83 50 and like it has well 4770k you could indeed throughout your day to day use notice the snappier performance of Intel right 20 18 you fast forward five years six years I don't feel that anymore I can go we have all sorts of systems that are that are up and running in the studio we've got we've got 2700 X we've got some low-end systems we got Pentium systems we've got X 299 16 and 18 core systems we've got thread Ripper running right now as one of our editing rigs and you know when I move between them I can't notice a difference the only time I notice a difference is when I hit render on something the time is different between them but even though even the lowest end like current rise and Gen stuff versus the highest and tenth highest and Intel stuff right now it's like day to day usage gaming moving around programs browsing the internet I don't feel a difference which i think is amazing because that gap being narrowed the way it has has really made the consumer win we're no longer do you feel like if you don't get the highest end CPU that you're leaving a lot of performance on the table because granted I think a lot of people are aspiring streamers aspiring youtubers and stuff but very few people are actually making a living off rendering videos like right not like I am right so I noticed those difference in terms of render time but when it comes to something like a $200 you know 1600 X which is a six core 12 thread CPU I cannot tell you a difference between the 1600 or the 59 30k I used to have and that wasn't and that was an extreme extreme platform CPU it was it was the next 99 CPU that is to me this is like the best time to be a PC enthusiast it just kind of sucks the GP prices are the way they are but hopefully hopefully that'll come down though I mean I'd honestly an ASIC being created is exactly what brought GP prices down when Bitcoin was robbing all the AMD GPUs yeah so I could totally see that doing the same thing here went quick so the one who knocks said the 3770k was better than the FX 90 317 IPC by a pretty wide margin look the 9370 was nothing more than a extremely factory overclocked 8350 that was running almost 5 gigahertz the problem is you increase the clock speed that doesn't in Creede the I increase the IPC it's it's that's more so you're talking about instructions per clock and then increasing the clock speed increasing clock speed does not give you more instructions per clock does that make sense no okay maybe the Mach speed is inherently how fast it processes the instructions per clock right see I usually miss near I used to think that as well but it was explained to me by quite a few people that that is not the way that it works then you tell me because I'd like to know okay so Jesus I'm trying to think of an analogy here I had the tiger if you have 4000 clocks yeah and each clock can give you a certain level of performance adding more of those clocks does not give you more clock performance per let's say mega hurt okay you're able you're able to complete more tasks in that amount of time but you haven't actually increased the actual instructions per clock if that makes sense it's like the amount of instructions that that one mega hurt can do does not increase you just increase it how many increased how many mega Hertz you're doing in the same amount of time so that shows the level of performance but the IPC's themselves have not changed okay so let me show you where I'm a little confused is that the CPUs megahertz is how fast the CBO's clock is is cycling right each time the CPU is cycling is it's instructions it's the same reverse direction instructions yes same yeah each clock the same number of instructions right so if the CPU is running at a hundred megahertz and now it's running at one hundred and one megahertz you technically would be processing ten more cycles per second or millisecond or whatever the fuck it is right so you increase you increase the cycles but not the actual clock recycle this is confusing I believe I agree and this is this is very confusing this is where when I made I made the assumption one day in a video that overclocking was increasing my IPC like the internet lost their shit that it wasn't true interesting interesting so I'm in just one those things it's not a matter of right or wrong I just I don't understand it right now but I know that it's incredibly complex because I know that the way a CPU cycles also is inherently tied to its instruction set right like for instance the old RISC processors remember they were literally reduced instruction set that's that's what risk was see like Joe Oh Grimm says CPUs are superscalar they supersu superscalar whatever they can do multiple instructions per cycle okay yeah because they have multiple instructions I'm good each time the CPU cycles you're literally jumping in between the time slices on the CPU and you're changing the values in the instructions literally there is a clock there's an interrupt that happens between each cycle of the CPU where everything says quick get your shit into the registers and then the next cycle goes through and processes everything in the registers and then all those values get changed through the register instructions that were called them put into different registers and then the CPU repeats and repeats and repeats and preached load instructions load information process and it's just doing that you know literally millions of times a second oh there's such a good discussion taking place in chat now like now now there are kind of arguing with each other jeido black says clock and cycle of the same thing no such thing as clocks per cycle it's instructions per clock is what we're talking about but what I'm saying is Inc so it's supposed to be like oh I see what he's saying you do this okay no no okay now that makes sense relat relat made sense okay up here Rhett was it Reville Reville Pathan said you do more with less time but you still do the same amounts per cycle you just do more cycles per second so that's that makes sense you're not changing how much work the CPU can do purse you're just changing how fast in cycles right that's and I guess that's what I was trying to say is like the actual clock can only do so much and you increase the overclock you're doing more clocks or cycles got a second which is getting you more data but the IPC or the instructions per clock didn't change is what the losses show this makes sense okay that's where I was getting really confused okay so yeah the instructions per cycle are never gonna change because the CPU even you're speeding up how fast it's going through but each cycle it's still only doing the same workload right because that cycle is literally just process and that's and that's why the internet lost their shit when I had said that I overclocked for a better IPC and everyone's like you didn't change the IPC and they like they literally like took to Reddit that makes sense because you're not looking at how much work the CPU is doing within a given time you're looking how much work it's doing within a given cycle right and I'm not gonna change the CPU can only do whatever its instructions that whatever the architecture dictates it can do per cycle that's all I can do right and this is why I question ever is why I could never be a CPU engineer cuz I don't even think my brain is capable of ever learning like the deep engineering level of how a CPU works now I think there was like a was a homologation between Intel and AMD where they both basically have the same instruction sets from now like like didn't AMD get all the MMX stuff and then until got all the SSE stuff but there's still a gap there or something that one has the other doesn't well what I'm saying is purely IPC is like if we take the IPC performance of rise into versus you know the latest okay whatever KB leak no no they weren't capable you remember what they're calling a shit anymore it's too many lakes so if you take the 8700 K in its IPC and the rise in to in its IPC they're still a different gaps between them but it's like okay it's like five between anywhere between five and seven percent I think it was because the interesting thing is if it can do more per cycle like in an optimal scenario right it's not able to do it with everything right there has to be a pretty much you have to be utilizing whatever that thing is that that chip can do on that cycle that the other chip would have to do two or three cycles to accomplish hey here we go if not Huck just put it in a perfectly understandable way IPC is the track size that doesn't change your speed around the track can change ok well that's that's a fair analogy because the way I'm looking at is if if you can do more per cycle then technically you could do more work with less cycles there basically could have a slower clock speed and do more work under an optimal situation if you're utilizing it to a hundred percent of its capability right but of course in an engineering level you know about 12 years ago we they took the path of let's just add more workloads and just will build the CPU sideways rather than increasing what the actual core can do but I mean that's why look at how year-on-year how much faster CPUs got how much megahertz they increase increasing let's go back to 2000 it was it was nineteen like it was like 1999 when we talked about seeing the first 1 gigahertz CPU right single core 1 gigahertz and I was actually working at Circuit City as a computer salesman when we had like an 800 megahertz sony vaio thing right sony desktop who remembers the sony desktops but anyway I do and then I remember when we had the first 1 gigahertz it was just like amazing and then it was just like next we know like three weeks later like here's an 1100 here's a 12 oh yeah sure picked up quick I remember that but but what happened when we hit before gigahertz and above that shit just hit a wall quickly what Intel sent out a statement saying that 5 gigahertz was the theoretical limit at which copper was it like copper traces or something through silica could could transmit like that was literally what they were calling the ceiling we've even kind of blown that out of the water with more electricity and more heat dissipation yeah but we can't go any further there is a limit to how fast you can cycle I mean literally the laws of like thermal dynamics stop you from going any faster well I mean I think ln2 overclockers would challenge that what's that what's the highest speed nil into overclockers ever gotten on an ex act like an x64 problem I don't know what the highest is but I know we've seen 7.9 gigahertz Jesus Christ yeah but the CPU isn't gonna survive for any period of time at that speed right mmm I mean a lot of times we're doing it on single core cuz they can't carry that frequency across all cores although I do think I do think thread gripper got like a 6 something gigahertz all core mm-hmm but it was theoretical on error then because I I distinctly remember when I was working to Microsoft the Intel sent out some notice about the when they started doing massively more multiple core stuff yeah like like they were explaining that the reason they were doing that is cuz they literally could not go any for like 5 gigahertz was like the limit where they could go on maybe air would just air cooling but they were like we have to start going out and that's when they started announcing that they were gonna do everything up to a thirty thirty-two core processor I learned that was like seven years ago I learned quite a bit when I had kingpin come to Vince kingpin come to my studio and we did the L into overclocking with the his video card yep I learned an awful lot about how how the various temperature range actually affects the the actual CPU like we he was he broke it down really well for me he's like we can go and he was really good to the sensor he was like a look at this temperature we can probably hit a theoretical max of this and he would be within 25 megahertz of where we would crash at the certain speed he's like okay let's drop it down now to he's like let's go negative you know 60 C and then and then we would drop it maybe I go keep that negative 60 C we could probably hit this speed and we went low all the way down to about a negative where to go like negative 90 C negative hundred see something like that and it was pretty it was pretty awesome and he was explaining to me what actually happens to different electrodes and different you know the actual core of the GPU under certain temperatures which is why we also had a heat gun pointed at the the output so a lot of people asked like what's the heat gun for because here we are pouring liquid nitrogen into the pot and we're controlling the condensation we're controlling the temperature based on how much liquid nitrogen off versus when we pour it back in because there was it wasn't just fill the pot fill the pot fill the pot if you do that you're gonna over cool it and it gets too cold then it doesn't work anymore yeah a lot of people that's Travis jang dong Intel CPU at PAX a couple of years ago yeah and yeah I watched that where he has to heat it up with the torch while he's putting the liquid nitrogen in it the balance the temperature no the torch isn't for liquid isn't for balancing the temperature it's for creating crystals on the actual inside of the pot which great creates more surface area oh that's what it's for so it's actually getting it colder it's getting it colder and the thing is if you pour just a liquid nitrogen inside of a copper pot then it just boils and the temperature here's the thing so I had the 18 core CPU the Intel CPU so you know 30 36 threads 18 cores that I had the ln2 pot on pour the ln2 in and then it only got down to like 35 C under load I mean you can hit 35 CL water right are you following me and you know okay so we had we had the 18 core 30 36 thread CPU and and the the ln2 pot on it so it's just a tower of liquid nitrogen right yeah just the copper it's copper right yeah it's copper and then it's insulated on the outside and then we pour it in the liquid nitrogen and under load it would still hit like 30 C 35 see and I was like really surprised I told my said why I thought this stuff supposed to go negative he's like well we didn't actually flash it yet and like what you mean flash it like this thing got a BIOS I was joking around right and he's like well no he's like now we got to hit with the torch so what he would do is we would pour the liquid nitrogen in let start to boil off and then we hit the inside of the pot with the torch you can actually see this in my video where I'm sticking the torch inside the pot yeah it's not Travis doing the same thing I was wearing he was like trying to pull like add heat to it go in do cool no so if you look the inside then turns very crystallized and turns white inside then which he does you just created basically like all of these just different jagged layers of surface that is now increased the surface area of the actual like pot itself and he created a better bond between the actual pot and the atmosphere so now when you pour in the liquid nitrogen it actually it actually absorbs the heat out of the pot better so then we went Sub Zero once we did that so that's what we basically used the liquid nitrogen to build like a heat sink like a secondary like a bond between the copper right and the liquid nitrogen Wow right it was pretty awesome but the heat gun we had to point a heat gun at the actual display side of the video video card like where the display port was yeah because that section is extremely sensitive to the the temperatures so if it got too cold you'd get no display like your graphics card might be working fine but the actual display because the control of the display would not work so we kept a heat gun pointed at the at the actual you know output side of the graphics card to keep it more closer to room temp so there's so much actually goes in into L into overclocking it was it was really enlightening well I watched Travis grenade about seven CPUs to get the world record hmm so when we're at PAX and his world records already been beaten again but you know it was with whatever the current generation of Intel chip was that just came out at that time I want to say that it was probably I think his has well or maybe it might even been Sandy Bridge it's a long time ago yeah but but yeah he'd put a CPU and he'd run it and then like if he if you let it get too cold it would try it like and it was done he couldn't use anymore - wouldn't post we pop it out and stick another one in there and try again but ya know watching people do that it's like it's a lot more people you know some people think that it's just like oh pour the liquid nitrogen and fire it up and go run your benchmark they know between the torches and babysitting it and making sure that you're putting in liquid nitrogen so it never runs out or ever and then preheating it's not only the preheating thing yeah but it's not about pouring and so it never runs out it's about pouring it in at just the right speed to keep it at a certain temperature you pour it in too fast it gets too cold you don't pour it in fast enough it heats up too quick and remember it's very sensitive to the temperature range at the certain frequency that it's at so that's why when I broke the world record at my studio he was like yeah I set it up he's like but you vary he's like you controlled the situation which broke the record so he was like I told mother yeah right you technically broke this record you held my hand he's like no you controlled the liquid nitrogen he's like you you earned that record as far as I'm concerned and then basically he wrote me an email like like I think was like three or four weeks later and and Jacob over at EVGA was like hey Vince says he's sorry but he has to break your record cuz because I guess um I guess it was a gal ax was going after the world record so Vince was like sorry I got a break your record now and he did he broke my record and then well you gotta hold it for a little time and then the volta card came out and then just he's the only person right now that's really truly like customized volta to be able to break record and overclock ln2 on the titan Volta Wow so a Titan be well somebody say in the world record was 8.8 gigahertz on the knee md bulldozer for ellen to guinness world record yeah yeah i know that somebody somebody got pretty damn close to eight or hit eight or something but see that's one of those things where it's like it's not about how much performance you get out of that speed it's just reaching the speed that becomes the game you know yeah well the biggest problem now is CPUs just aren't that important like we've had this conversation before about GP GPUs are literally thousands of very slow cores that are very efficient at doing things yeah and that's what's future generations the CPAs are gonna be hell even Windows 10 was designed from the ground up to run on an ARM processor basically to run on a cell phone right and that's why Windows 10 runs so good is if you ever noticed Windows 10 front loads a lot of stuff it does a lot of look-ahead caching it does a lot of things to make sure that you're not waiting on operations unless they're pure i/o operations where you're opening something for the first time that's never been opened before everything's been optimized even if you've opened a file before and you reboot your computer and boot it back up you will open that same file again quicker because what it'll do is it'll index and page out the memory when you're shutting down into the page file so that it knows exactly where to recover it back into memory into the cache while you're booting the computer back up again so Windows has got nightly clever I kind of hate that sometimes cuz there's there's times where like my my workstation at the at the studio will start acting really kind of funky yet I want to do like it just a complete shutdown and restart the system and the reboots and brings everything back up exactly where it was I'm like no I want you to kind of not do that what you just dump everything and start over you used to be able to hold down I haven't tried in a long time it used to be I think you hold down the shift-key if you hold down Shift key while the computers booting it bypasses all of the startup options and run key in the H key local machine run and startup well you see Jerry that would make too much sense because even Microsoft turn took off the safe boot or the say yo you can't even boot into safe mode in Windows 10 without like a key now no no the way you booted the safe hood is really stupid you literally just boot the computer up and then while it's booting just control bolete and then it'll try to boot again hit control it again a half halfway while it's booting and then after it fails two times it'll present you with the menu where you can do it but there's no way to go into the menu just with f8 anymore they they they stopped that shit because they didn't want people like accidentally getting in there accidentally getting in there which makes troubleshooting a pain in the ass it's so stupid I've had to do it on this computer like three times where I boot up the computer and I basically have to fail the startup on purpose just so it'll let me into the damn options menu Hobbs will top says if I reboot using the command line it won't do that talking about oh so you like shutdown minus or minus t0 and the command line yeah J doesn't like the command line cuz he types really slow you know so he I type as slow as you drive dude damn good bird that was a pretty good deal hey it's no fair if we both got to drive our own cars on the track that isn't fair okay like a blind person could get around the Nurburgring faster in your car than I could in mind come on seriously I would take my I would I would race your STI and my Z actually that'd be a fit that would be a fair match I'd take that action although my car understeers or under steers like a bitch so I don't know if I'd want to do that I'm scared my car you got to commit like a bitch on a track and I'm kind of scared is enough doubt it's there's nothing you can tell me that will make me feel bad for you because not only do we have the Nissan challenge we also have the Subaru challenge all in the same group so we've got we've got all kinds of Subarus out there doing grip with us and I see the way they drive if you're just a pussy I just gotta set mine up have you ever been in my car when I tried to go around a corner pretty fast stuff we do a straight-line speed no you did some freeway ramps and in the moist but yeah it doesn't it just I need to get better tires on it in the and it's not it's setup for rally it's not set up for Street so the thing does want to understeer really bad on the pavement and the only way to correct that is to use the brakes to get the weight to the front and then get the ass and all kinds of slippery all over the place and with the short wheelbase that's really scary and so when I when I had the zl1 at Buttonwillow that was the second time I take it into the track I did four sessions at chuckwalla just destroyed my best time I could do in my Z just absolutely like seven seconds faster right oh my god on a two minute track so and that's after you've been out in the Z's several times on the same track right yes I had already had like 20 sessions in the Z at that track because I know what it's like to get used to a new car and you didn't have a lot of time to even really get used to that mix without with me Nick went out with me in the first session on the zl1 I didn't go out there and warm up I just went out there and was like Leroy Jenkins I mean yeah so anyway took that took the car with a Buttonwillow and I drove the first two sessions solo my driving instructor was Steven Doherty was was coaching someone else and so I was like shit that's gonna be interesting going out learning that learning the the lines in this car on this track in this direction that had never driven before and with by myself so I brought him out did that and then I did like really shitty I did like a 209 and then like a two six right then he I gave him the keys to the car and for session three and I'm sorry session three he coached me and when you have a coach it's like you're faster but you're still spend a lot of time kind of waiting for the instruction like you want their feedback and so you kind of drive inherently slower because you're kind of absorbing information and then the next session you really just go and apply it just like dervish right and so I let him drive the fourth session because I wanted to see what the car was capable of and of course he did like a 158 with traffic has he never driven one before was that the first time so so we did it we did a 25-minute session and it was really eye-opening as I watched him just like each lap like kind of analyze what the car was doing and what he wants it to do and he's kind of learning a car he had never been in before and then watched him Jake just flip a switch in his brain and literally I was sitting there like practically shitting my pants with the way he drives but here's the best thing I the session before that he coached me then I watched him apply what he was coaching me and then the fourth session I'm sorry the fifth session the bonus session I just went out and dropped like another four seconds off my time down to a 201 so I'm from a 209 go to one in the same day and a track had never driven in a car I'd only been on track in a different track with so it's impressive but what I want at the point of this story is the car that I was battling the entire time was a fully built Hawkeye STI oh wow literally it was a Hawkeye STI that he and I were at the 204 205 second range we're just literally up each other's ass right I'd point him by because I'm like okay I know I don't want to hold you back then as soon as I point him by suddenly it's like my intensity goes up then I'm riding up his ass and he points me by because he's like dude get off my ass so we're just like leapfrogging around the track every few every few laps were past like a built time attack car that's got like diffuser on the back giant wing no not not to that lawyers it's actually he actually does all surface it's like all surface racing calm or something like that and so he does this car set up for multiple things like they'll set up they'll set up for grip the point is at the 204 205 range he and I were battling like crazy after seeing after after going out with Doherty and then just sending it like yeah there wasn't even a competition anymore because I dropped like another four seconds off my time and then but my point is I have seen what these Subarus are capable of so your argument holds no water except for the fact that you are set up for loo surface and I weigh 320 pounds so a passenger with me every session well I have a passenger with me when I don't have a passenger with me dude you make it sound like I'm light I am NOT light it is a Torquay car though I'll give you that no come on be my bottle or my money I am NOT that light I sit in chairs and they go oh I still I would love I would love to get out on a track with you one because I'd pretty much go and do it no one I was gonna lose cuz I've seen the way you drive you've got me dead to rights on pavement you've got me dead to rights on the simulator um but just after me spanking you into the dirt I only think it'd be fair for you to just completely destroy me on the track someday yeah so we got we got to make that happen I guess I'm gonna come down there we get a car I gotta tell you offline when I'm going back to their fish oh you are it's for its it's for a completely different sanctioning body but they're working with your fish Oh interesting yeah interesting well let me know when you're doing that and I can put you up here if you want yeah they'd be fun I think I think I want to get bullier out there too yeah I'd be happy just come hang out I don't got to do shit I just want to come hang out and watch you do your thing the thing is it's gonna be the all-wheel drive stuff which is you know I'm gonna be lost off so no no you know you're gonna be surprised on is the BR Z's you had to carry your speed everywhere yeah the Subarus no the Subarus you literally just square turned sideways out of the corner punch of the floor on your pin to the seat I mean they get such good dry night when I told my instructor that I'm gonna need some I'm gonna need some instructing to prepare for this event because it is a bit of a race yeah he said would you need to learn as the zero counter method and I was like zero counter method he's like yeah basically you get the car rotate you point the wheel and you just hit the gas which is exactly what you said where I used to counter steering and he's like you don't counter steer with the all-wheel drive no so nope the trick with the trick with the Subarus you literally go to the outside of the corner you don't aim for the apex you go to the outside of the corner so that you come out of it with the longest possible straightaway you can get yeah and you get the car sideways and you just slide sideways majestically until you're about lined up with where you want to go and I swear as soon as you hit that gas pedal that car just sinks down into the dirt about an inch or two yeah comes to a complete stop laterally and just bolt straight especially with the rally tires they're there they're designed to bite with light or with the side of the tire yeah the the grip of tires even the ones that were on our B or Z's were pretty grippy but again we only had rear-wheel drive when you have the front pulling and the back pushing and you got all that and you got a brand new set of tires on there with a really sharp edges on the grip of tread holy crap man they hook in the dirt like you like like a normal car would on undone good pavement but like shitty pavement you know you actually do get a decent amount of traction like way more than you'd think I guarantee you when you get it you're gonna be like wow on the backstretch I could hit almost 90 miles an hour in the Subaru yeah when we were out there you know that big long straight over we're doing the slalom yep you can hit 90 in the Subaru or the BRZ we were struggling to hit like 45 50 mm-hmm so it's it's a completely different game dude you're gonna love it my Subarus steer great in the dirt like they oversteer or understeer like shit on pavement and the dirt they're awesome Alvaro says are you talking about tech or what we just spent like 45 minutes talking about a sick miners and CPUs and stuff and you're gonna come in here and bitch read an IPC's Jesus read that read the chat if you're wondering woods Jubilo salty you were warned you're gonna get publicly ridiculed be coming here and ask for the tech is so take your thumb out your ass turn off your device and go to school there anyway need to do is come up a day early before the event so that we can get one of the instructors up there to take you out and apparently it was Nate that tossed that told them about me so okay yeah Nate Nate is a great instructor names amazing result they just did it a weekend thing last last weekend you have something where they basically did ride along with Mitch and ride alone with Nate and they had in-car cameras and stuff holy shit Nate can drive him oh no I've been I've been on a hot lap with three of instructors they're forests of Lucy he's not there anymore now he's uh now he works on one of the crazy GRC rally drivers guys crew although I don't know if you heard but GRC got cancelled yeah so that that sucks because a lack of money and interest but I was in a hot lap with him I did one with Don Wooten when he was there and I did one with Nate and I have to say that out of the three Nate was the fastest yeah like he's properly crazy a little bit impersonal sideways they had in-car cameras and they were showing Nate's navigator and and like the level of focus on Nate's face when the Navigator is calling I was like he's like just he's like wide-eyed and just looks like stone cold you know I mean and he's fast even in a slow car Nate drives like these sobs and shit like these old shit buckets he was driving an old Volvo hopeful I know why I'm red Run 1 yeah yeah yeah so so he always buys these little cheap I swear to God he doesn't spend $1,000 on the car and then puts all the gear into it to run but he takes these things out there and the thing is just wrapped out off the top end the entire time like he does not slow down yeah he just he just drives that thing like he stole it but no he's eid be a great one to have like sit down before you do any kind of race and give you some tips and plus he's bulletproof like you put him in the passenger seat like unless the car is like upside down and flipping over the top of a river he's just like sitting over there chill yeah well it was that did you ever see the video where I swear I was in the warehouse and I'm driving the car the the drone video I did where I'm inside the warehouse driving the rally car and I come out and I spin the car yeah cameraman runs on the cameraman fell down yeah he was sitting in the passenger seat he closed his eyes just to fuck with me no cheese he said he said because we're gonna ready to take off whatever he's like I'm just gonna close my eyes he leans back in the chair to close his eyes and he didn't open them so if you watch the video he's like sitting over there snoozing that's funny yeah yeah I really want to get back up there and do the rear wheel drive school again only because of how much my skills have improved in terms of just getting the car sideways on pavement yeah I would really love to do it again in dirt I'm sure the suit the Super's do get squirrely in the back end though they're not I mean if you get on the gas they straighten out pretty easily but they they you can still get those things sliding around really good yeah and it much higher speeds that's the other thing you might appreciate about it is that the BRZ seemed like they would slide sideways at ten miles an hour like like nothing the Subarus you got to put a lot more into him to get him unsettled so it's a lot more high adrenaline like I would have to say that when I went out there I was expecting to be R Z's to be a lot more dramatic than they were it's like you actually had time to think and the Subarus your your white-knuckled and a lot of the shit that you're doing out there yeah it's in and I've seen him run a BRZ against the Subaru and I mean the Subaru could lap the damn thing you might here says this would be different I'm seeing a bunch of people say I look disinterested when you're talking what they don't realize is when I'm looking off to the side this way I'm actually looking at Jerry's camera it's that way so I'm looking at Jerry when he's talking you dumbasses anyway oh my god what is it always got to be mean and try to create drama I don't get that yeah I don't get that the entire internet just has been on a kick lately wanted just if they can't find drama they created dude the zl1 was so fun on tracted I was I was those first two sessions I was basically going into the garage like with our race group was like hey who wants a ride-along anyone want to ride a lot someone needs to come out and feel this thing because I might just come back and tell you how good it is you'll be like no I know it's a Camaro anyone who went out with me came back going holy shit what WTF dude I'm Cup I'm coming down to do it died no I know I can't do it close to Mother's Day but the next track that you do after that let me know right we're gonna be going on lunch break and lunch break summer summer break until like September I think and even then I don't think I'm gonna go in September because it's big willow November is the one you're gonna want to go to that that's chuckwalla okay although although button will be a lot more fun because we get a lot more speed in that card but well then we do chuckwalla oh just got a nice long straight chuckwalla has several of them it also has a lot of elevation changes it also has blind elevation changes high-speed s's and oh shit high speed straight that's we're basically doing about 130 miles an hour into a non banked 90-degree left-hand turn with enough speed to get back up to 130 again before we take a nice sweeping left-hand turn into about a hundred mile per hour right-hander that you slowed down to about 30 miles an hour so you go from about a hundred to 30 while trail braking into what they call off ramp and then again into a full throttle exit into what they call cotton corners which is like a chicane that again has an off has an off camber elevation change coming out of it into a into a flat right-hander so there's a lot of opportunity for you to just drive off track Wow yeah is there a lot of run out or is it a pretty oh yeah you're not gonna hit nothing in Buttonwillow unless you get really stupid on the last turn on clockwise going into the start finished and there's a wall there yeah other than that yeah next time you come up here I'll take out to the ridge you haven't been out to our tracks we have to hear we got Pacific raceways and we got the ridge yeah they're both they're both within an hour hour and a half of me and I'll tell you what the ridge has a corkscrew turned just like Laguna Seca they actually modeled it after Laguna second oh cool so in this so it's I think it's only it's one of the only other tracks in the United States has a corner like this and it's the same blind come over the tip aim for the trees because you can't see the track anymore because it falls that hard yeah and it's it's a lot of fun but there's tons run out that's why I like so I'd even be comfortable let you drive my Subaru out on that track it's like the shit off the road you just go out into a big dirt field that's that's the only thing you're gonna do shucks wall is a lot like that too cuz it's in the desert it's just yeah you just run off into a lot of fine dirt you know but yeah Chuck Wallace check all the so my favorite tracks to momentum track so it's just about keeping your momentum through the turns Buttonwillow is a rhythm track so if you get out of sequence and Buttonwillow then you really kind of screw up the next two or three turns yeah but I I'll have to show you on my PDR which is the performance data recorder so it's the the camera and telemetry built into my car we're coming out of the esses and Buttonwillow i curbed a little bit too hard on the left side so it upset the car at a hundred and ten miles per hour you see me do a 30-degree counter steer at 110 with the back end of the car coming sideways coming out of the esses my coach or my instructor he didn't tell me till later that he practically shit at brick because he's like at 110 in the passenger side feeling the car go come like just completely come off the ground on the back end and then it was at that moment even though he's coached me now for an entire year and a half it was at that moment where he finally he said he felt 100% comfortable with getting in the car with me when I'm really trying to send it because he realized at that moment that I'm on top of it because the counter-steer just came so natural I didn't even realize it happened until we looked at the footage that's funny so so basically he didn't even think you were gonna be able to catch it no it was he I asked him that and he basically was like no it's just us the passenger you had that split-second of wondering like is he gonna catch it cuz the thing is we're over steering at that point towards a wall that's only about 30 feet away yeah well I'll tell you what next time you go to dirt fish ask me why why he lets me why he lets me drive with one hand mm-hmm cuz that's that's that's like a bad rule there yeah it's a derp face you're always supposed to have your hands on the wheel you only take your hand off the wheel to shift and then back to the wheel right but I'm driving I'm all like you know like yes my belt my belly's in the way right so I'm always like doing the same well there's more than a couple times Nate and I were out there where I was like on the third day doing the high-speed shit through the woods where I was getting dangerously close spinning going into the river and I kept just magically saving the car because my instincts are just like this way and I give this shit back he's just like whatever just keep doing it like it seems to work for you whatever it was pretty funny cuz like from there on out all the classes that I did there the instructors were all like no no it's cool that's a bad habit but you seem you seem to do a lot better with it so we're just gonna go ahead and let's keep doing it yeah no I don't think I'd get away with that shit on pavement I was a better way I was scared when I okay so the first session with the zl1 like full transparency my car cost seventy three thousand dollars it is not a cheap car I make like I make monthly payments on that I can't afford to just go buy that car with cash so I'm going okay I got a car payment insurance isn't gonna cover that thing if it gets fucked up and yes of course there is track insurance but it's like $400 a session or a $400 a track day I'm like you know quickly that I'll head up you know it's a little cheaper than having to pay your pay your car off yeah I don't get it but anyway that first session it's just like okay here we go cuz it's not just me it's not just what am i able to do with the car am I gonna hit something am I gonna go off it's it's time what people gonna choose is someone gonna hit me am I gonna slow down for the high speed braking zone and the guy behind me sudden he's got no brakes you know what I mean because that's that's rates aren't as good as yours right did you die fucking epic brakes and stinky tires what if the dude buying just like in a golf doing a buck 10 with like you know BC drum brakes but you see anyway what I'm about to say anyone in chat who does HP de or time attack won't we'll know is you don't Jam the brakes you you don't you don't drive into the braking zone super hot and then just jam the brakes because that upsets the car it's it's it's a it's a squeeze and a slow release with the brakes so I've been behind people that suddenly are just jamming on the brakes and I'm like holy shit why are you over slowing the car like this because they they're they get scared going into that turn they're not comfortable trail braking or maybe the car just isn't very good at trail braking like the Z is terrible at trail braking and wants to spin when you do it it's not about how much can you jam on the brakes in the turns but how move can you transition from from acceleration to deceleration into turning and the zl1 is actually great at it because it's braking bias is so good it loves to trail brakes so I can carry a lot of that speed and bleed a lot of it off with the turn rather than the brakes so it's just about transitioning that momentum forward on the front wheels to keep them from under steering squeezing off the brakes slowly as I'm turning the wheel and then so I've got a little bit trail braking and I've got just momentum and the lateral G's slowing down the car and then easing onto the throttle coming out of it cuz the other thing with the zl1 is if you just even with the tire is heated up you just mash the gas that you're kind of fucked the car wants to go around even right even with the tire is at full temp in track mode with the trash control set to race which is the least amount of intervention possible when you watch my PDR you see that you see the traction is stability light coming on constantly just constantly coming on even have 100 miles per hour in a straight line you'll see the traction control light come on because it's trying to spin the tire it's at 100 miles that's where wheel driving 700 horsepower there ain't nothing that's gonna put that power down unless you're doing 100 miles an hour yeah well you'll see there's times where we're doing 100 and or even 130 you'll see the traction light come on yeah I know the Dodge Charger Hellcat that I drove him we were doing 80 on the freeway and he stopped it to the ground of the traction control was going Paul blah-blah-blah-blah-blah look at it was still breaking the tires loose but I didn't figure your car would do that with all the downforce my car doesn't have that much downforce it just doesn't make a lot of lift oh really oh for some reason I thought that the Camaro had like crazy downforce only 300 it only 300 pounds of rear downforce with that spoiler at 155 that's not a lot of that's nothing the thing is not the thing is the splitter and stuff on the car are so functional it actually creates a very little lift so yeah let's put it this way yeah guys car talk deal with it so if we are dealing with a car that it lets a lot of air under the front of the car right it's gonna pick up the more air cushion you have under a car the more it's gonna push up on the car so let's say you make 500 pounds of downforce but you got 250 pounds of lift you've got affected with 250 5 250 pounds of downforce right the thing with this car is it makes practically zero lift at speech all the downforce is usable enforce it so what you really notice in the terms is sort of in terms of breaking stability in high speed cornering is the fact that the air cut cushion under the car is not fighting you it's super nose but like the zi disease got functional arrow with the Nismo but the zi feels like it has a ton of lift versus the camaro oh wow yeah so does the camaro have like the full underbody plating that makes it like completely flat underneath only the front half of the car and then the sides there's there's there's skid not skid pans but they're flat covers okay on each side of the of the tunnel where the drive shaft is and then it stops in front of the back wheels behind it it's just a standard diffuser Oh interesting okay yeah okay so a lot of the modern cars they're like doing the full underbody coating area of like drop the whole pan out but you move the whole front of the car especially from the front axles forward is completely skid pan and Aero pant with splitters and stuff and the thing is if you look under the front splitter in front of the front tires out to show you picture and you guys you find these I these online actually if you look at pictures of the zl1 one alley and underneath the car in front of the front tires there are actually channels that curve the air to the side of the car so the air that cut makes it underneath the front of the car never even hits the front of the wheel it gets scooped out to the side but in front of the wheel so the air is not even being upset by the by the rotation of the tire and that flat surface of the tire is not hitting the oh I see it's coming in the one that's going out it's going out the sides like this exactly that probably keeps the car pretty stable at high speeds too right because that's gonna help keep it centered well I could say it feels pretty damn stable and the only way to know is to take them off and then do the same thing but I really don't want to all right be honest what's the fastest you've had the car up in a straight line come on I don't really I don't really want to say come on come on man III told ya I said I said publicly I got my car up to 167 okay well I haven't been that fast in my car because I don't have any long open roads like you do here but I will tell you this from one from getting on the freeway yeah to the next exit I did 155 and the next exit and the next exit is like uh 2/3 of a mile so no not even a half mile so it's just over a quarter mile the car does 124 that quarter what do you say your car weight again what's that what's the kerb weight 3,800 and change so 30 Anders so you're 400 pounds heavier than me and you've got over twice the horsepower whoa I'm like I'm like 580 ish crank all right now I'm sorry not crank wheel I'm that's true because mine is wheel cuz I did the dyno thing so if you're 580 wheel and I'm so I'm about three thirty three horsepower wheel yeah so so yeah okay so so not not quite double but still for 400 pounds I mean your power per ton is massively higher than mine right and the aerodynamics of my car improved over yours yeah plus your your rear wheel drive wow you have that much drivetrain loss it's about 15% actually that doesn't sound too bad Wow just it's just hard to think of that cuz like it's 700 horsepower you wouldn't think that you'd be down you know 150 horsepower well means 15% so 700 times 0.85 right I mean that's 595 G's okay so my goal is my goals with the car and and that was the biggest complaint people had in the car the car video is like you say stage 1 and stage 2 but you don't say what those are and I don't know this isn't Need for Speed wave stage it's like they're legitimately called stages but anyway stage one is the the there's different stage ones it depends on the tuner you go at the state Stage one is basically simple stuff like an intake B and the intake makes a huge difference on these cars because they're extremely baffled to make the supercharger silent which affects flow big-time but my particular stage one is the the rota fab intake the port at throttle body from mamuh motorsports which is basically like an ARP port or a RP yah-hey or whatever Tony Mamo did the port and then there was something there's there was a defect in my car that kind of followed over from the previous gens where do you know anything about route style or to chargers yeah yeah okay yep so you know the the blow-off valve flashed recirc valve is built into the manifold itself yeah there is a there is a spring in us in a set screw that are designed to you know let them open up under certain pressure so the pressure overcomes the spring it opens up it bleeds off whatever excess psi so my car is supposed to make like ten pounds of boost I was only seeing 7.5 pounds and I'm like what the hell is going on here so I I found a threat on Gen 6 or a Camaro 6 calm about how the lot of these set screws were set too far in which was keeping that that waste or not waste gate but that recirc valve yeah slightly open all the time so you're never hitting your booth I was never hitting my max boost I went in there adjusted it backed it off to where it's supposed to be went out and tested it immediately saw 10 pounds of boost and now anytime I hit I go full throttle at 70 miles an hour on the freeway I leave black patches on the ground because I spin the tires at 70 miles an hour so that alone I don't know how much power it made up for but I could tell that something wasn't right because my car always ran ridiculously rich stupid rich like you could almost see unburned flu of fuel just spinning out of the tailpipe when I would rip because it was accounting for that fuel but though it was accounting for the air that wasn't there right so as soon as I adjusted that my tailpipe start stopped turning liquidy black and the power went through the roof so that's awesome just make sure you don't pull it back it off so much that you're running lean because running lean you back it up you back it off too far then it just the wastegate opens later and the tune is all jacked up so all I did was back it off so that when the the spring is completely like under its own tension yeah to where the setscrew is like a papers a paper thickness off of it which is the way it's supposed to be you know I'm really surprised that that thing doesn't have an electronics Illinois operates mechanical that's that's interesting I mean I mean that's that's how they used to be done but it's like now everybody uses the boost still annoyed because hmm kishna says yawn when you kids hit 8 140 to 160 let me know is that as fast as you can go if so that I'm sorry I'm sorry that's all you got dude yeah my car at 167 it's it's done it won't it doesn't want to go no more but at 167 my car also turns into a single-engine Cessna so my car my party top speed is drag limited at 190 yeah I guarantee you my car at 167 feels a lot more scary than jiae's card 190 whatever like I guarantee it his car 190 is probably just like cruising straight as arrow down the road really connected to the pavement my Subaru no my Subaru is like literally feeling like it's doing this play it's pretty scary yeah well yeah I think you you were in and when I did think it did 140 140 or 145 I can't remember it was 145 and we had the windows down I thought my rear window was gonna blow out need the press wes CH says H&K kishna HNN kishna not everyone has a car that can do 140 so stuff sound like a badass my ultimate did 140 so I mean do my Corolla did 115 and it was bouncing off the rev limiter but with the turbo I got there really fast DME de Metz it says gear limited as well yeah he's true that's one of the days right that's one of the differences with my 6-speed manual versus the standard Zeile 116 manual is I have a shorter sixth gear so that it can pull it better cool with the additional downforce in the shorter sixth gear is why the standard zl1 is actually faster in us in the top speed than my car and the truth is I mean there's like a handful of tracks in the world were you Dever achieve that top speed and actually gain a noticeable advantage yeah like you're not you're I mean you got what is chuckwalla like what's the top speed you've been on that track me date I logged it to see what your top speed is out there which track what's your fastest track faster but will is the Buttonwillow but we're like 129 130 is as far as week as fast as we can get in the straight but if you look at the if you look at the video that gets not a very long straight see I'd love to see what you're carding it out at the ridge cuz the ridges got almost a mile straight at the bottom oh wow so in the mile straight my car before I break to the corner I hit just about 140 in the Subaru so in the in the in the GTRs we're flying by me like halfway down the track GTRs are going by me like I'm standing still yeah so I'd be surprised cuz your car your car is faster than GTR stock let's talk GTR yeah yeah so oh yeah not the dismal wants stupid expensive anyways anybody actually buy one of those like yeah what I've seen them at the track I've seen a few of em at the track actually aren't there's no like invisible version like 40 grand more or something it's like just a little bit more motor than thousand fucking a man buy that just buy the stock one and like put put 50 grand into it we'll be ten times the car yeah it's oh my god I don't get it you know the thing the thing about cars dad and Ike I swear to God I feel like I'm such a minority why can't people just be like that cool car you know why do people always have to be like book your card rather have a Yatta Yatta it's like no one really cares about what you'd rather have I'm serious no one cares about what someone else would rather have see the thing is it's like PC there are so many different options out there yeah there's always gonna be something for you and something that's not for you it's just it's the entitled little shits that constantly feel like they've got to go out there and tell everyone about how they don't want this and they don't want that and they don't like this and you don't like that no one gives a shit what you don't like no one gives a shit no one gives a shit what I don't like no one gives a shit which you don't like Jerry I sure as shit don't give a shit what you don't like and vice-versa why can't the rest of the world be like all cars I like all cars even shitty cars like I have had some of the most fun in my life driving my old piece-of-shit 1976 Ford career that thing couldn't go 55 miles an hour down the freeway I'll tell you what if you found a dirt road you could jump that thing Dukes of Hazzard style and not give three shit job you jump the frickin like medium with me in the car when you pick me up from the airport we were booking yeah when we clip that thing oh my god okay if you guys this was short this was a few years ago like the second time I'd ever been in a Jerry's house and this was like right after Jerry had made the transition from like his lowered height ride height and stuff and he raised the car and got it all set up for dirt because you're getting ready to do like the the the dirt fish thing where they were like bring your own car and go and run right yeah yeah add the underbody plating and raised up yeah so he picks me up from the airport and Jerry is not what you would call a slow driver he's a lot like me he's like he drives his car like like it's like he's having fun yeah right he's not being like really stupid although this stories might sound like he's being really stupid but yeah I'll admit that was a little much so he's that guy that's like the first time I ever rode with him was like okay I'm probably gonna die on this trip you know but then I got to know no Jerry is driving like okay Jerry Jerry is not incompetent behind the wheel so I started getting little bit more comfortable and I'm on my phone like looking at Twitter and stuff we're leaving Seattle getting on the freeway and there's a merging Lane that has to merge left and there's a bunch of traffic there Jerry decides he doesn't have to it isn't wanna wait for traffic so he just decides to focus full throttle down the merge lane into the shoulder and I'm looking at this going we're literally about to drive off the freeway what the hell is happening here I look up but I don't even react I'm just like okay I'm sure he knows what he's doing there's like a little berm at the end of the road right there like where it merged over it's it's just like the rough soft shoulder it's like a little berm and then a ditch underneath it Jerry freakin launched it off the berm and landed it on the freeway and cleared the whole ditch I'm like what the hell did I just experience I like cutting out yeah we went into the dirt and just kind of cross yeah but you jump like you jumped in first you you cleared like the dip we didn't even go into the did you didn't feel the ditch like we were we went right over it like glass yeah no that that car that car can handle a beating and and my and my biggest shock was just how like smooth it took it yeah you know the person behind us was like shitting a brick - oh yeah I'm sure I'm sure it's like they look like Thelma Louise let's be on because they were trying to out accelerate us they did it they could tell we were trying to get in front of them so yeah oh yeah well show them or whatever and I was like ah fuck indeed I'll take in the dirt I don't care it's it's it's a dirt car we can do this you can you can always tell any area do a high speed run with Jerry cuz he'll he'll look in the mirror and see there's anyone behind him go Connie look out ahead of him and then he'll just stop talking and then you hear and then Jerry kind of gets like this much more intense like look on the wheel and then he just he did you know you're gonna go fast cuz jury stops talking to be got my attention increases by a huge magnitude when I'm going really fast like I I don't I I can't just sit there and do like 140 miles an hour and have a conversation with you like I'm focused on beer and shit jumping out in front of me so the biggest the biggest thing I just the reason why I'm just like talking about how why do people is that the shit on other people's cars and this now I guess it's because most of these people mostly people don't even have the car they would rather have like they're like oh that car sucks I'd rather have the audio the point is you probably don't have anything to brag about anyway but the that's why I don't like the show car crowd that's why I don't like a lot of a lot of these like society is just like okay I Z will never have a society sticker stuff like that on there because these people just do nothing but talk down others to talk their car up when you go to the track when you're with the track crowd nobody talk shit to each other nobody comes over and is like oh well I've got that 911 GTS over there so your Camaro is a big pile of shit no they'll come over and be like yeah I got that 911 GTS over there you really shock the shit out of me what is this you know what I mean they they don't they don't just American piece of shit I mean you've got there you've got the little racing clubs and they all kind of hang out but I can't even tell you like how many gt350r and GT 350 owners had come over to me and been like dude I've heard I've seen these but I've never seen one in person this is badass I'm like yeah what do you got no I got the 350 R I'm like dude let's go look at your car and we'll just sit there and just and talk and compare and never sit there and just put each other down that is why I love the racing crowd that's that's what I'm more addicted to at the track than the actual driving is just getting to see so many of these cars that you only read about and you only hear about you see on top gear and and the Grand Tour and you get to see them in their element which is why so many people come over to me with the zl1 and they're like wow you're actually tracking it that's awesome because that's what the car was built for you know and when I was at that Buttonwillow there was a guy there that had a blue one and he came over and was talking to me and we were kind of comparing like driving style were like how we found it does this it's better under this could I ask oh I'm gonna try that and then we actually improved on each other's times by just talking to each other about the car like what we've experienced you know so that's different Street people that are passionate about cars and passionate about cars and driving yeah like if you're passionate about driving like anybody else I'll even racecar drivers will say it's challenging as fuck to get like a Mazda mx-5 around a track but they still want to do it because dude challenging Jerry I'm kid you not you can find the comment on my video the zl1 there's a guy that legit was like this car sucks I'd rather have a 4 5 a to tell you it's like what the fuck is wrong with you you just took a car that it's like five times more expensive and said you'd rather have that than mine you sure shit better want that more than mine if that's what you - you should reply back to have been like oh I want a Bugatti what's the new one does oh not the Veyron the new one by which time out the Chiron Chiron it just fucking one-up each other each comment yeah I don't get people like that but I know I even in driving matters like when I went out for my track day at the radio is my first time ever on a track right in my Subaru they don't but did anyone make you feel bad no not at all everybody was like super super inviting but I had a guy in a freaking Honda CRX just fucked me up like mm-hmm dude I'd lose him on the straightaway I'm like yeah I got that guy and then after like three turns he'd be right on my ass Knight had over let him by so they wouldn't flag me are you ready for then I'd catch him on the straightaway go blow by him and then I would even make it to turns he'd be back up my ass dad Letterman from hey hey I'm not I'm not ashamed to admit this in my zl1 1le I pointed by a yellow Civic GX or an ATX but a hatch a civic a yellow civic hatch that was not boosted guys are just crazy because raiven to limit right because it was driver versus driver it wasn't Honda versus Camaro very true very true anyway on that note guys it's time to go thanks for hanging out with us today if you guys are joining us late it wasn't all car talk we actually talked a lot about a sick mining we talked about what's changing with etherium I even told you guys we could find a 1080 TI at at MSRP la ln2 records we talked about that one - we talked about CPU instructions per clock versus cycles and bitch megahertz and megahertz to talk about it many hours yeah so there was obviously some tech in this one but thanks for putting up with this show today because I am at home obviously and we were having some technical difficulties as you can see we are out of sync and all but we figured either deal with this or get no show so I'm glad you decided to do the show today I'd fun yes fun I also I'm wondering why we have 2488 people in here and only 398 likes I mean what is yeah what 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