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what's up guys jcu sends here in just a little bit of a heads up this is going to be a long video because you guys told me you wanted to see this this is the full recording of the conversation that took place between Luke Anthony at tweak town myself and Paul's hardware where we kind of talked about our first impressions regarding the live stream and information on the 1080 rumor we got to learn about the 1080 at the exact same time as you guys we this is our raw reaction to it we went back to the hotel had this conversation so it's gonna be a long video feel free to skip through it or listen to it on your own you know how to actually watch the screen it's just us sitting there on a couch but again huge thank you to Luke at Linus tech tips for giving me this footage letting me upload it and do what I want with it so I just basically put it up there and did an edit for time and cut out some of the pauses and stuff but anyway enjoy this video and guys I will see you in the next one we've got lots of 1080 coverage coming up I'm gonna mix it up it's not gonna just be purely 1080 coming at you in the next few weeks anyway thanks for watching guys and I'll see you in the next J's $0.02 video the new z170 classified motherboard from EVGA features eight phase-- PWM 4 Way SLI support along with top notch components to offer gamers and enthusiasts more of what they want badass motherboard with no compromises click the link below to learn more ok so we just sat through the Nvidia keynote presentation thing you guys just saw all of our like pre speculation stats kind of stuff and I think for all of us it was a lot more than what we expected so absolutely I guess let's start with Paul and work our way over what do you think well I think usually when you're talking about a new launch you're looking at I don't maybe Intel's gotten us to used to expecting a 10 to 15 percent performance boost per genome awkward yeah so the numbers at least that we're seeing from Nvidia as far as performance compared to last generation specifically like Titan X I mean it's insane the fact that you could get a 1070 for 300 and which is a 3 333 79 it's better than a tekneqs right now I mean that's the reference 1070 it's better than Exynos gonna be board partner versions yeah I was most shocked at the fact that Cu and I would speculate like what are they gonna compare to your they gonna benchmark against 680 or they gonna maybe 79 I thought at the most it would be sub mated they came right out of the chute with the 980 and then went there and said it's faster than tight next yeah they literally obsoleted their current offerings entirely babies in that's a lie that was crazy that was nuts when I put that up you do have to remember that their charts are a little bit cherry-picked so maybe they would do things like it was faster but then the the x-axis is wattage yeah and then in like this one it's like strictly PR VR performance they never talked very specifically about like the m50x valve yeah they didn't talk about DX in this latest I think obviously because of the demand of P 100 we weren't expecting this to be hmm to card but I'm looking at this going okay 16 nanometer the performance jump going down to 16 the memory the memory speed increase and the fact that it's not HBM and it's obliterating everything on the market now we're HBM one stuff we go from fury X and Titan X I was joking around with all of you like okay whatever there's a lot of fanfares for a small jump but I let this event going okay what just happened I honestly I thought the exact same thing I would want to solve the order of 10 branding and all that kind of stuff was like hey yeah sure like this is your you shooting way above with the marketing here yeah like yeah this might be the biggest generational jump they've done yet yeah which which I and the reason why I wasn't expecting a huge jump was because in the the GDC you know he mentioned like yeah we could have gone all-in with our chips and benefiber jump but we chose to do the smart thing and make it incremental which to me was almost like justification for like okay you're not going to see he jump with it with consumer card but we're players were playing it safe but it obviously they've made this huge jump and we're not even on what's considered their current top to your platform yeah right Pascal on an HB M platform we do we do have to like all wait till we get it in office and are able to bench it right like what they've been able to show so far is pretty damn cool yeah but I would have to assume that they're not going to be bold to make these statements that aren't backed up in independent testing obviously you know you we still have to go in there and be objective and say okay there's a bottom line here we're gonna do our independent tests you know but I I see no reason to disbelieve it but then again alright as independent reviewers we have to say okay we need to see this for ourselves you have the tech specs up there so - PC / who I unfortunately was not able to wrangle in here 2560 CUDA cores easy-to-remember 2560 bit it's a lot yeah this is for the sin 80s we don't have these specs with 1070 1607 megahertz base clock that gives you 8.2 teraflops at base 17 33 megahertz boost clock it for 8.9 teraflops and and that's pretty impressive 320 gigabytes per second is the memory is the memory throughput 256 bit 8 gigabytes of gddr5 X + 180 watt listed power with a single 8 pin connected nothing most impressive ultimate like how they're able to go from having this call that uses so much power like a like a tiny it's hot and it's loud yeah and it can use a lot of power but it's it's really fun thank God that's what's single yeah okay that's just well I choked and we tweeted during the event you know that I personally I don't care about power consumption give me all the FPS I'm ok with a power hog but this is my this might be the first time I'm actually excited about the TDP reduction because I with obviously with three type X's underwater loop and massive radiators I still do with a lot of heat and any any amount of heat that I can reduce now it's only bonus yeah you said during the like when they're doing that whatever demo that was where they were just spinning around the guy and that was only right 67 degrees yeah yeah when they brought up precision X overlay yeah it showed 2114 megahertz which we are we are kind of speculating that's gonna be like founders edition yeah the founder curve but it's and memory was overclocked to eleven hundred and sixteen yeah effective eleven thousand thousand sorry eleven thousand thousand sixteen records for the DVD but like just considering potential over clocks or fat whatever the founders like we don't know yet I either we don't know if what we're shown as a founders edition yet we're speculating it because of how far percentage-wise that is but so much Headroom like sixteen to seventeen hundred megahertz basement boosts but up to over two thousand and this is fairly early I thought it was like we're talking about before what they showed us we don't know if that's if the founders Edition has to type in characters what haven't said anything regardless the temperature shown was 67 C so unless they had this thing with like some sort of an air conditioner blowing directly on it yeah what the eff is up with that temperature in that overclock yeah and like we're in Texas I'm super sunburned like wow that's pretty but like even me the area we were in which it was probably in a different room but still it was what hundreds of people in there yeah and like that must have read it at least a little bit it was what do you guys think aesthetically over the card because going into this the the photos that we saw from the like whatever factory that a leaked from and then the leak they had the leak they had booked it did wait supervisor yeah like I thought there's gonna be massive cut in chunks and stuff right it's actually somewhat subtle a lot less transformers line yeah they look just like I was a waiting for that to like just transform but it looks why cleanup I feel like Lena I feel like I would have liked to have seen a more radical color design changed since it's such a radical new new innovation for them in terms of 60 nanometers you know I I think we've kind of the cooler I'm disappointed I like the new angles of stuff hopefully maybe that I lost some more air to get in there for reference style multi you know GPU could face but I don't know we've seen the same cooler now for like four years a long time 602 plastic 680 was old school play yeah yeah okay I remember a head stack the stack power connectors alright yeah so 780 was when they showed the new like tungsten or magnesium cooler yeah and it's been the same thing now ever since and I would have liked to have seen something new I was I was like when I saw this super angled setup of Canada supporting I was like that's gonna be kind of hard to fit in themes yeah but then also really excited because I wanted to take like the razor core and make a bat will be a lot right so like work in the card stuff and now it's like it's it's not even that aggressive it just looks like there'll be slightly reflective surfaces right cool but yeah but but how many how many of you guys notice to reference back plate again yeah you know 980 had it and then 980ti and tight next it not yeah and now it's back again but that might be that might answer your question about the 67 degrees you know that can dissipate heat off the back of the collar I'm not that much though that unit four or five degrees yeah but we're used to reference coolers especially when you overclock them right hitting that 88 to 90 C threshold not 67 nowadays so I'm still I still in the back of my might have to wonder like is this an a ID card you know because we didn't see the test demo that s great yeah so the the card running in the back that was live rendering things we don't know what card that was it could be the the mystical founder card it could be an add-in board burner because we we saw there was people from ZOTAC there there was people from a Seuss there Corsair VGA EVGA like MSI em aside probably other I don't know you say gigabyte right gave I was there I don't I didn't personally see gigabyte so like there was a bunch of out in bored people here so I would be surprised at all and none of them acted like but ones I talked to you after that they were like that that's cool yeah they've already been working with it in fact they had a they had a slide show going at the event showing the board partners like car yeah not because some coolers but they were showing like gigabytes you weren't extreme you know and okay and okay what what price did you all expect it to be I expected it to be $6.99 or 5 into 649 649 okay because that was kind of like the debut price yeah a long time I thought it would be 649 so it was cheaper than that but then so it's it's $50 cheaper than you expected all right the founders card is only $50 more the more I think we've all reached the point to where it takes a lot to surprise us anymore no like I just I don't get like super excited about new hardware but I'm kind of there right now yeah this is kind of cool and I think one of the main reasons why it's kind of cool is is the price points if you expected any change or if I expected me to change I expected it to go up yes they're gonna be like oh yeah Ashley since they just obsoleted everything they're offering right now see before it was like okay the new card but the Titans still faster or something no literally he even came out and even used his own price I guess we think our thousand dollar card is now like slower yeah more impactful than anything even though we haven't mentioned it all yet is the 1070 yes because the price point for that is very aggressive that's still super mysterious because we have no specs yeah but all we saw was that it's still faster than Technic yeah oh five teraflops on a 1070 yeah yeah yeah I said that's that's gonna be tweaked a lot more now in September 2014 right rewind to when Maxwell launch small Maxwell everyone was so excited about the 1979-80 wasn't yeah that's cool but everyone was flipping out over the price to performance of 970 yeah and they did it again yeah totally like the 1080 is a very cool card but when they announced the price and when they announced the like teraflop and whatnot of the 1070 like wow yeah that's the wasn't Gangi kill gas yeah and a way more impressed gas because they they're like Oh big performance but you pay a lot it's cool but they're like actually still pretty freakin big performance and you don't pay a gouging amount yeah see it's not your big white like Jensen comes up being you know cool lucky always is he's like GTX tiny blah blah blah and then it's kind of like gtx 1070 my drop yeah he did the apple but there's there's something else there's you know that's not all kind of thing right yeah I feel like for that price level or that performance level they could have gotten away with five hundred dollars for that card yep they could have but it didn't sound still quite a bit but like it's this I'm very impressed this sounds to me like this might be probably one of the more mainstream centric launches in videos had in a long time yeah which makes me happy because I've got a buddy back home that like two three weeks ago I've been building a computer since high school right and he was like hey man like my cards are kind of acting up and like things getting weird I should probably get a new computer so I specter one out for but I'm like you know what dude you should just wait because like there's so many rumors about these cards and like I don't know if they're gonna be that much better but even at the very least the current cards were down to price a little bit on the used market or something and like we could pick up some of those so everyone knows I'm building project redness right now for a client that instead of sitting outside the money to just build he bought the parts in peace and then it was like okay let's build it three 980ti is just bottom a couple months ago and they've been sinning until he was ready to do the building way he's passionate ready to get a replay - I saw him betray him right now oh no he he tweeted or he's not tweeted he text messaged me during the event that picture of that guy sitting at the desk and I reply reply back with just try nothing just try and think that it's killer machine but it's just knowing he paid the same price right now as what's that's also the 980ti which is still significantly more powerful than the 1080i sorry that the two non ATS of their competitive GTX ten eighties as fastest to 90s but are not any guys to look Kalispell and and he also was putting a 59 60 X in there and the new broad well II like just I'm sorry but sorry like you know it's never build a PC at spring one time to do a computer yeah look what I did the video I showed the bill blog happening right now everyone called it out like why is he building this now I'm like I'm just building it for minute he's deep it's the parts but yeah I think no matter who is buying a 5 X 2 or 3 times X's then wow the pain from that would that would have it not any guy it's okay EB genius step up so how much is a tape mix right now so you can get you can easily get to 10 70s and that's all one drops off so much and that they didn't show any performance for that yeah you better get you could get 310 70s for like 180 Niva T or ever surprise even one type next yeah that's pretty beastly which is crazy and I wonder if the 1070 will have a single 6 pin if the 1080 has a single painting would they go right down it's just gonna use the 75 watt PCIe draw this dump our pin go 750ti style just yeah I think today like it I was taking them back I was kind of blown away about what their hope to do without HP m2 and then it excites me even more to see what they could do with HP m that's the thing right so last year HBM one fury xk III and all that yeah amazing this is the nvidia killer this is the nvidia killer and then everyone expected the answer to be HBM to because last month right no they just came out like don't need it don't because honestly they don't the more I thought about it the more I thought about it after yeah we kind of knew going into this it wasn't gonna be HBM to because they already said production for p100 which is going to eat up all our HBM to samples it's going like end of the year right it's just insane to think that no we have not maxed out the limits of the current configuration of memory to CPU you know in grew up in physical relative to your relative 'ti to each other yeah it literally was like a mic drop today and if that had used I could be up to the prospered have been like 799 it would have been someone I think minutes or yet yeah they may even have had problems you know just manufacturing that's what I'm seeing yeah I think they just really didn't need to yeah we've known it more time not refining an important oil and I rather than take that path I'd rather than use gddr5 that means we achieve the cards and we get a lot of them if they do HBM to the numbers in any sort of lorina when now they can just pump these things especially the 1070 that thing's gonna be crazy it's gonna be so popular by and it's it's small Pascale yes right so GP 104 amazeballs what's GP 100 really gonna show us next year yeah like okay it's good its I can't I don't think I can even think about all right I think we single you're gonna have long Cod that does 4k 16 without a problem well that's the thing to bear down the game tight necks could do that oh the problems are more like the new games love batter food wall which are three or k61 titan yeah well that's what that was showing off right that in GT X 1080 with like the division oh details the maxed out single card and it's like I don't know just walking around there's no explosions no physics involved there was no interaction it was just walking visualize volume and realities thing was cranked up and it was still smooth yeah that's what impressed me like it was walking past you could see the buildings was sharp yeah that it was just smooth it was super super space bot that's what was that like you didn't see any action it was just like he's a demo I don't know why he was dead because they're trying to like do it all alive and if they run into a problem where if there's like the one little dip right they will just get that was you see a hashtag damn it tom was trending yes there I was I was standing next to him when some and I'll freaking order done he's like oh I looked at Twitter and what was trending now like because I saw bunch of people cuz I tweeted like this is really getting weird right now it's like watching a married couple argue yeah and then someone responded like hashtag damn it Tom and then I looked at what's trending now at hashtag dammit Tom was like number eight oh my god just like immediately to the top of Twitter because how many thousands of viewers were watching okay I have to say I nailed the social media at this event yeah they had this social media game on point like they just yeah and I think that that whole Tom thing that kind of like ran with it but I think Jenson was he was pretty pissed through the clicker and in very temporarily but still left the stage which is like huge yeah Wow we've all seen some pickups on an Nvidia you know keynotes and stuff where usually it's kind of like a little giggle you like like last month with my dick with a wozniak yeah I was like wow so I feel a little sick right now Jen's is like you know that's not a very helpful comment but this was really awkward yeah yeah why Cameron I think was like it was very good like you could you could feel the entire room start looking at each other going like is this a joke like it doesn't feel like I know yeah yeah I thought it was planned at first I kind of did a minute just kept going going and he throws the clicker and it's like okay and he could kind of see lunch instant spike oh yeah these facial expressions was like almost like a high tuition yeah yeah yeah so what do you guys think amy has to pull out I'll be honest so everyone everyone knows like I prefer nvidia for my personal Billups but I have to remain objective in these little views yeah I just based on the last five years alone and NVIDIA hasn't been bested by AMD since 79 70 gigahertz edition and even then it was marginal I don't know if AMD can answer this because but are they do even want to I think they have to because let's say Polaris is gonna be the same price and if it's significantly slower well how would anyone why would anyone do that okay so rumors of $2.99 price point even and if it's significantly slower than 1070 my recommendation would have to be save the extra 80 bucks get 50 percent more or whatever it might be you can kind of work that out so if you if you look at the two GTX 980 s and SLI Nvidia said that the 1080 was faster than that or just as fast as that right so that means the 1070 is gonna be safe 30% slower which means it's only one and a bit times faster than a 980 so then and AMD can't come in a flaca even if even if 99 you're gonna have $3 to attend 70 or you gonna grow by second hand it's more than just FPS even right raw horsepower of a graphics card is such a minimal factor now because people hate IP or a game works camera everywhere there was all the game works we asked oh but I'm sorry the the surround fix finally so we're not dealing with the outside Rikuo I'll probably talk more about it tomorrow so so you're not dealing with the skew I got I ditched my surround set up specifically because of the skewing it's so stretched out so there's that there's VR works there's so much proprietary you creation of software development going on not just GPU perforce but the software side of it to where it's more than just the number of FPS you can get yeah I mean if you're gonna be getting one yes and all of this support Nvidia sells you an ecosystem with the video card it's one part of the system they're actually selling you story much and all of it is free right they could come out go which I'll do 40 dollars a month for a premium back yeah founders package yeah yeah there's something whatever that means but no asynchronous discussion here but like you said on the bus right we were coming back it's not that important right now I was disappointed very disappointed I was weirded out that they didn't talk about direct x12 oh it is weird do you meet some good comments on that on the bus again there isn't very many dicks 12 games right now and like no one really seems to be pushing that ban away by DTX puppy or something like that I'm not sure but it just doesn't really seem to be picking up we've been even like dx10 right it wasn't until like dx10 see or whatever it was it wasn't like that really widely adopted and then suddenly everything was dx10 and like obviously I would love to see you guys 12 performance numbers yeah I would hope that they're killer but like yeah so like I'm not super worried about it again I would love it if it was super great but they showed none of those numbers so I'm assuming they're at the very minimum not nearly as impressive as their VR stuff that makes me wonder will IND attack that well that's our injection soldier with what it's gonna be kinda like that but we have 512 bit memory bus who cares it didn't really make a difference at the end of the day yeah well I have 4096 bit on fury X and fury age we don't know who's gonna lose what but it will lose to 1080 and Tandy has a 256 bit memory boss so people if you look at that people see two classics and I see 4096 if I give you two hundred fifty-six dollars I may give you both out of $96 there's a big difference so you would expect not really it's a but $256 256 it's isn't directly compute or relate that way I had some really good conversations for the video in the past my flat out ask PDR want some I'm like why 256 first 384 on bigger cards and stuff and a name these 25 12 this is the deal III can't even relay the technical specs that were thrown my way of like here's why that number doesn't matter so much yeah so I think people should I stuck on the 256 I've done fairly extensive testing I like trying to show any real improvement for that and I can't yeah I've seen you guys have done yeah I've seen some of it but like it's hpm for me this morning I wasn't old boss to arrive before it's more important for the form factor yeah performance-wise there's no benefit if you can if you can show a gddr5 based car like a 390 x versus a HBM card there's no real difference well we're still on traditional architecture and it's destroying HBM 1 yeah yeah and the use was so low for that and that's the problem with HP on twos it's gonna be perfect for professional cards the games these days don't need you know 1024 you go off the second recipe does anyone recall what the teraflops was on the pro dual 15.6 I think it was like 15 I think cuz I think Radeon as we know i neva tably this is gonna be a lot of no I am DS got the pro duo but that's a dual GPU code yeah it's not it's really it's a maverick Harriet about personally I passed a single graphics card yeah but I don't you know I don't that's the things see you know how many people were calling out Nvidia right now like cuz they said it's the fastest GPU ever I passed GPU in the world yeah it's the fastest single GPU to get caught up on its he didn't say card he said GPU yeah but you know I've said it a million times my podcast and everything else I don't want anybody to fail I really don't but I really like it there to be railing so far behind right now that the game isn't can they beat Nvidia it's can they even get with an ear shot I think it will be very bad if Andy has to go the position with graphics cards that they've been doing with CPUs for so long where they abandon the high-end they only have these middle and low-end offerings and they seem to get lower all the time like it hurts the image of the brand of the company you know it's best what does anything they don't get lower they just get enough pine boy yeah yeah they get older no no new items yeah they focus remember 2013 they put a lot of eggs in the API or the API which didn't pan out well they take you you're preaching to the enthusiast market with an APU and that's not gonna fly yeah well because if all the room is right now is that the pilars for not 400 series or whatever it is is gonna be a mainstream pot so you're looking like 1080p or 1440p under $300 but then it's like $300 riding on pro do I go this usually enthusiast car that no one no normal people that I bought it but it's like where where is anybody's thinking now are they going for the customers that want to do $300 or less or are you gonna go fury X which is like this Wheatley place card in the middle of HBM and like the crazy Radeon from Julie it's just a way they're in a very weird space but then maybe they could do an end video and completely surprise everyone but it's gonna be hard for them to win back that mark show what uh something you brought up on the bus I remember win but it was actually a really good point is the once they do move to HBM because like you don't you don't see aim D graphics powered high end laptops ya know you just don't really these days but once they're all APU ya know exactly they they have like actually pretty damn good skew lower end laptops with a fuse in them which are solid but like you see the really high end like well we have a desktop 980 in this in this laptop you brought up having HBM on there would be huge I don't know like obviously the thumbs are pretty crazy that the on our nano what's perfect well why can't I just put a nano if you can if you can put a desktop gtx 980 inside of a no-go you can put an eye on that I even like nano powered notebooks would be pretty sick if they could get the heat in check yeah I think that would be a thing I just don't think that the voice I don't think the manufacturers are ordering I don't think there's a demand I think that also the yields on HP my nice are lawyer that I brought the seller graphics card you know make the money from the graphics card didn't you fault that prosecute it was that wideness supply issue in the beginning of yeah anyways I think we're done I think we're all retired and I think a long day I have to wake up pretty damn early in the morning oh yeah you sleep in no you're all right we're all waking up really early in the morning so yeah that's it party till 1:00 a.m. oh be on the bus at 7:30 in the morning that's it check out their coverage of the event I'm sure you all have it you guys's information will be on boards and stuff thanks for watching I'll be making another video tomorrow I'm gonna go to bed