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what's up guys Jase $0.02 here and yeah we may or may not be seeing new graphics cards in the near or not near future and that's why this test bench exists I built this test bench years ago and it has seen a lot of revisions and changes but the only thing that really gets changed on here often is the graphics card obviously now we've been running the 8700 K on here pretty much ever since the 8th gen launched and the reason why I've been doing that is because I've always heard and even preached myself that the more cores you add and the more threads you add the less performance you actually get in games somewhat negligible depending on the graphics card in the game a lot of different variables so that's admittedly why I've left the 8700 K on here for so long even though I used to run X 299 and X 99 on here forever actually no I never ran X 299 that's what we're in do today I am preparing for the new launches by putting on my X 299 dark from EVGA an amazing overclocking motherboard extremely over built vrm and the reason for that is I'm finally taking my 79 80 XE out of the box which I've never used for any project because this was such a none practical CPU so I figured might as well test that theory are we going to lose performance by going from 80 700 K to the 79 80 XE that's why we're using this board because the vrm can actually take it without exploding but I just realize I probably have too small the power supply now but that's okay MSI brings ultra thin gaming to life at their new GS 65 stealth the four point nine millimeter bezel 144 Hertz 1080p panel nvidia graphics and 8th gen intel cpus make the new GS 65 self a true powerhouse with a small footprint find out more and how to preorder by following the link in the description below so I'm only gonna be running two benchmarks here to give me sort of a baseline because what tends to happen from one platform to the next and it was especially when you're dealing with Intel to Intel like until the AMD is obviously a whole different story but we tend to see whatever happens in a couple of benchmarks kind of follows suit all the way through with a few variables and exceptions but it's also very important to point out a couple of things one we're not just switching to more cores we're also switching to more memory channels the mainstream CPUs on Intel only used dual channel single single or dual whereas the X platform of the extreme platform can use anywhere between one two three or four channels so we are gonna be setting this up in quad channel give me us more memory bandwidth we're gonna be setting up obviously more memory because of that this is going to be having 32 gigs versus 16 gigs over here I don't think that's gonna have a huge impact on things but we could always pull out two sticks of rams to compare that and that's another video coming up where we're testing the 2018 version of does memories memory capacity matter with games I did that back in like 2013 but things have obviously changed since then so we're gonna do our baseline test right here this is Metro last light I still really like this because it's definitely a good CP or a GPU test and what we're looking for here is bottlenecking with the CPU or I hate that word it's not really bottling we're just trying to get numbers to compare settings wise though we are running 1920 by 1080 quality is very high texture filtering is at 16x motion blur normal tessellation very high the reason we're not running 4k right now is we want to see if at the higher frame rates that we're gonna get with 1080 obviously offloads a lot of that duty to the cpu to handle all those frames we're gonna see whether or not we get a big difference there we've tested into the ground what happens with 4k where CPU is was less important with 4k than GPU that's why we won't be testing it today if you want to see the 4k results and just add 4k to your search bar and you'll find something so I could smell the half PS okay so here's our result we ran this test what four times four times and we were pretty much within plus or minus 2 or 3 FPS highest we saw was a 193 Louis was a one eighty nine point five three average frame rate a couple things I want talk about here Oh quick one the 8700 K is running with sync all cores on the Asus BIOS which means it's not adding more frequency but it is making all the course run at the same frequency it's a setting I always leave on number two I thought this seemed a little bit low and I went and looked at my original 1080 TI review not of this exact card the msi card and you could see in 1080 with the same settings we were getting 220 FPS and then I looked at this video and realized I was running X 99 at that time but then I'm sin you're looking at trying to figure out what was running to maybe make me be losing approximately was that about ten percent no fifteen percent close to 15 percent whatever the number is Phil come annotate with the number was but it dawned on me we weren't dealing with the spectres and meltdown issue back then and we have significantly seen a performance reduction in in total max FPS at really high frame rates like this after Spector and meltdown was patched perfect example skunkworks is still running Windows 8 and a 69 50 x10 core 20 thread and it is faster than my D frame running a 7900 X that's overclocked on water with two Titan X Peas little peas which are faster GPUs than my regular Titan X Pascal cards on skunkworks skunkworks beats it in all fps testing it beats it in 3d mark and it beats it in PC mark specifically because of this vector and meltdown patching so that just shows you how much power or how much FPS you actually lost with that so these are out new baselines right now at least for this test one eighty nine point five three and we're gonna go ahead and run now far cry 5 use its synthetic and see what that goes the only thing we did the GPU though we didn't overclock it we just allow power limit to go higher so it wouldn't do any sort of throttling with power limitation and then we up the fan curve to make it a little bit more aggressive because we want consistent results so yeah apparently now we have to patch Far Cry 5 this is hold spend a week away and everything has to be updated far cry 5 in ultra settings 123 average FPS twice in a row so I'm going with that number 123 so now we've got a swap over stuff and do it again why are you playing the RAM out because I'm shallow I wanted to use the burnt Ram I just can't do it I can't do it and I've got this beautiful set of white and black corsair dominator which will just look so good on this test bench loo this this guy that's got look good moment of truth exception not handled what the 79 80 XC and all of its 18 cores and 36 threads of glory obviously before we do our benchmarks of the GPU I want to see what happens with our CPU make sure everything's running fine and just see all of these cores just look at that oh I hit 84 instantly 85 86 4318 cinnamon score now you know I can't help myself and to keep things fair I was running 4.7 sync all cores on the 8700 K which is as much as I wanted to push it with the water cooling and attempts we were seeing so I've been playing around now for about an hour with my overclock to figure out where I want to dial it in and this is where I've decided 4.5 gigahertz it's actually doing it at 1.2 volts yeah golden ship probably Bend so now that I'm convinced that I am good and I'm stable now we're gonna go ahead and run the same benchmarks again that's what all this was for the benchmarks did I now skew results moving forward this may seem an awful lot like the does core count affect your games video I did not that long ago but that was just an 8700 K we at a 6 core 12 thread and I were disabled cores and hyper threading with the same chip now we're going from 6 cores to 18 cores with 32 36 threads which is a significant gap there and I forgot to turn on MSI Afterburner smell the half PS but surprisingly here's the thing our average frame rate came up to 200 point seven one here's what's interesting about that we ended up putting raising and reason why MSI Afterburner is open right here as we raised our power limit to one hundred and twenty percent so we're allowing it to draw 20% more power tbp than it's set to from Nvidia's you know bass and we also set a higher fan curve this is the exact same settings that I ran on the 8700 K what did not happen over there while running our Metro last light was we never saw the power limiter come on member how it jumps up and down says power power power that tells you when you're hitting power limit we saw that during this test we saw we were hitting power limit which tells us that worth it looks like we were potentially I don't say bottlenecking bottlenecking is not the right term but we were limiting the amount of FPS 8,700 could handle while we sent a ton of FPS like this to it so I'm gonna run this test one more time because you can't just run a test one time and get you know your result but I want to see if it does it again if we start seeing power kick on if we if it does then we'll know that the CPU is actually allowing the graphics card to just run balls to the wall as hard as it possibly can power limit did not come on as much this time oh there was once once more at least we saw it a couple times 200 point for another 200 so okay Metro last light at least that title benefits from more cores now going from 6 to 18 it's not examine we can what 1 FPS per not even an FPS per quarter so our last test here in Far Cry 5 with ultra settings we had consistent back-to-back runs of 123 FPS average so our average FPS here was 129 an increase of 6 I don't know what percentage that is fokin again could put that up on the screen but the reason we're using Far Cry 5 is even the synthetic built in benchmark is still using a lot more CPU than other synthetic benchmarks so when we were running Metro the CPU just said it like 39 see 46 it wasn't really doing anything but you'll notice now the CPU temp has gone up significantly in the GPU usage drops down to more 80-85 and will sometimes hit the 90s and come back down doesn't get as hot which tells us the CPU is doing so much more but over because we're doing far cry fly that I feel like I should be talking like this we're gonna do a test one more time here we're gonna make sure the results are the same we don't want to mislead folk down the wrong paths and you know definitively the CPU was actually gave us our improvement here but I digress that's besides the point now I'm expecting probably a pretty consistent result but if you look at the temperature right here is certainly doing something with the CPU all right so that time we got 127 versus the 129 all right so that time we got a 125 average so we've gone down to every time 129 127 125 but if you look the maximum FPS is the same number of frames renders a little bit less on the second test but our minimum FPS dropped from 99 to 95 what we think is actually happening here is that the GPU is getting warmer and we're starting to see the GPU sea States or P States actually called pcs in GPU starting to come down a little bit so this one's probably not one that we can actually draw a conclusion from because yeah so this one really didn't show much of a difference yeah 123 is still lower than 125 no one's gonna notice this fps anyway so anyway the whole point of this video like I said new test bench I was curious of whether or not we caused myself a problem we test the new graphics cards are inevitably coming I think I'm just gonna roll with it I'm fine I mean there's gonna be plenty people doing reviews on all sorts of platforms and this is just another one to the add to the mix so guys thanks for watching today's video if you have any ideas for videos we should do in the future make sure you hit us up on Twitter or just comment down below and as always guys we will see you in 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