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this thing on I never really know anymore what's up guys J is two cents here and don't let the pause hardware t-shirt for you I am in fact J ste sense at least last time I checked now my last video I uploaded I showed off my new Mini ITX build with glass tubing inside of my fractal design to find Nano s and I showed some of the complications and doing some builds in there some things you have to keep in mind and one of the compromises I made to go with a longer card was going with a single 240 red you guys in the comments told me that that was a bad move and I made the wrong choice and today we're gonna find out whether or not that's really the case no pun intended actually the master case 5 and mastercase 5 Pro from cooler master combines modularity with creativity giving you the freedom to build it your way make it yours by clicking the link down in the description now like I said in the intro today's video is all in response to comments and questions that were about this build on the video I put up a few days ago now although this might sound like one of those things where the manufacturer fractal came to me was like a.j could you mention a few things or clarify a few things no that's not the case in fact they'd have anything to say other than the build looks sweet we really liked it that was it there's never been any input from any of the manufacturers or anything when it comes to my videos I just want to make that clear now because I know some people are going to be stupid enough to be like oh obviously the manufacturer wanted him to make this video not the case every time I say case it's gonna be like pun intended I guess so the two common things I keep hearing are J you should have used a front mount radiator and in order to make that fit the other most common thing is J you should have used a fury X or a fury card or something shorter now the point of be putting a long card inside of this case was not to say oh I didn't want to use the fury it's to show that you could still fit a long card in there and still fit fans in the front and a big reservoir which I chose to do obviously the compromise was that I couldn't fit a front-mounted radiator in there anymore unless I was something like slim fans or whatever which was not something I was actually interested in doing a lot of slim fans have to make up for their lack of static pressure with higher and I don't really feel like doing that anyway the other thing like I said people keep telling me is I should have gone with a fury card because they're so short yes I could have I have one right there that's actually a fury x1 I didn't have a custom waterblock to for it so wouldn't have worked in this build anyway let's have a wait to order the block and wait for it to get here and - I wanted to show that you could fit a long card in here because obviously if you could fit a long card you could fit a shorter card as well so it's kind of like showing the max fitment and then you can shrink it the size now a lot of people have been telling me J I'm shocked that you didn't go with a front-mounted radiator which is kind of funny because the last time I did a front mounted radiator radiator everyone was like Jerry I'm shocked you did a front mounted radiator because now you're putting all that heat into the case obviously you just can't win around here so anyway here's what we are going to do today I have overclocked my 4790k to 4.6 gigahertz I'm also using the GTX 970 g1 gaming again because it's the card I had the block Hardy attached I thought about putting either a Titan X or a 980 TI in there but I just didn't want to utilize that card for this build and I thought small build there's a perfect perfect graphics card to fit in there and really it came down to the fact that the card was already attached but anyway we are in my shop right now and to go ahead and validate some of the testing that you're about to see the ambient temperature right now is 75 point - let's see if you can actually get that to focus get in there seventy five point two degrees right here in my shop that's Fahrenheit and for all you Celsius users that is twenty four C so that gives you some validation here as to what the ambient temp SAR like for the testing you're about to see so anyway let's go ahead and turn the camera around and let's get this in here and show you guys exactly how well this is actually performing both in CP huge performance GPU performance and then hammering both with a single 240 millimeter radiator with a lower fpi a lower fin per inch count it's not even the best 240 you could even put in here alright guys here we go we got the that really ghetto pointing the camera at the screen thing so I'll eventually get that fixed you know to where I can actually screen cap this properly but for the tie being I think you guys get the idea okay so we've got a couple things going on here I've got real temp up on the left so that we can see the core temperatures and as you can see right now with the ambient like I showed you at about 75 degrees Fahrenheit or 24 C we are sitting in the 30s for the idle which should be fine obviously we're just on my idle right and then the graphics card here is idling at 29 C obviously this is on water so the first thing we're going to do here Liz let's just go ahead and get the loop warmed up a bit I am going to turn on let's do Haven heaven I keep calling Haven heaven benchmark everything is pretty much set to ultra the anti-aliasing is at 4x and 1080p so let's go ahead and just let that loop that's what the temperatures warm up for the graphics card and let's see where we max out now I'm not going to sit here and let it just you know point the camera out there and let it go forever and ever and ever I am just going to I'm gonna let it go stop the camera and it will cut over to see what the results were because you know that's how you make good videos you don't bore people by letting them just stare at a loop that goes and goes and goes and goes alright we'll be right back alright so the loop is completely stabilized we're sitting at 45 to 46 C depending on what part of the tested it's on so let's go ahead and take a look here at the the graph as you can see maximum temperature for the CPU or the GPU was 47 that was just like tiny little spikes but you can see right there it was completely flat it wasn't going up it wasn't going down stabilized that's what you look for when you do a temperature test now don't run it for just a specific length of time some people like to just let test run for Oh 15 minutes and then that's our max temperature no let it run until the loop is completely equalized in the temperatures maxed out and not going any higher however long that takes 5 minutes 10 minutes an hour let it go so that's what our max temps where you can see the temp drop down pretty fast too we're down to 37 already but there was a core clock 1524 forgot to mention that this was overclocked plus 170 on the core plus 400 on the memory power limits at 112 and our core voltage is a plus eighty-seven millivolts so we are overclocked that's obviously something important to mention max CPU temperature so max CPU usage was about fifty percent that's pretty normal for a synthetic benchmark like that doesn't lose use a lot games don't tend to use a lot of CPU either well depending on the type of game but our max CPU temperature was 59 so you can see the CPU was doing something it wasn't just sitting there completely idle but that brings us the next part of the test here which is going to be a 264 and we're going to go ahead and run this thing we're going to stress test the heck out of the CPU which again as I mentioned is indeed overclocked and then we're gonna we're gonna see how those temperatures do but you can even see on the graph right there that right there that was when I started the benchmark and you can see the temperatures equalized again so that's important to mention the other thing too is I also don't have the fans on the CPU header ramping up unless the CPU was under load so the temperatures you just saw with the graphics loop or the graphics card under full load was with the fans at 40% speed so obviously we have more cooling Headroom in there as well so now we're gonna let this go and we're going to see how it does alright so there's no point in letting the CPU test go for very long that the CPU actually puts out less heat than the GPU and it doesn't take as long to equalize so you can see by the chart right here this was the GPU test and you can see the CPU wasn't under that much of a load CPU under 100 percent load we're plateaued that coolants not getting any hotter and you can see here are the core temps right here on the left this program is called real temp I like to use this for the cores so we are sitting you know a long way from TJ Max and you can see TJ Max is where the thermally thermal throttling is going to happen these are this right here on the bottom underneath the core temperature is how far we have till we thermal throttles we've got so much Headroom it's not even funny but that's at 4.6 gigahertz it's not too far of an overclock but anyway like I said the amount of voltage it took to get 4.7 and higher stable was more than I really wanted to push but anyway here is that CPU temperature is maxed at 75 was as high as it went and again thermal throttles at 105 so we we've got quite a bit of head there but J that doesn't tell us anything because running the CPU separate in the GPU separate isn't going to test the actual capability of the load you need to do gaming why shall men do one better I'm gonna run a 264 while running the looping benchmark which is going to put this loop under more heat stress than any game would push this loop and then we'll see once and for all if a single 240 was a bad move or if it was perfectly okay I think you already know where this video is headed though okay so I am going to leave a 264 running and everything's still overclocked with the graphics card as you can see everything is still overclocked with the CPU as you can see nothing's change the test is still going no interruption and we are now going to load the heav'n benchmark so take a little longer to load obviously because the CPU is under full stress but we are going to let both of these utilities do their thing and just hammer away at the at the loop yeah that's what we're doing that's that's what this video is about hammer the loop don't don't actually take a hammer to your loop though that's that's counterproductive what I find really cool though is even with a 264 running and the CPU being in 100% load which you will see when we're done with the test if you look at the top right corner up here though the FPS really hasn't suffered that much temperature is sitting at 39 C right now like it's going to take time for this loop to completely you know equalize like I talked about but yeah the FPS you can see it swings up and down quite a bit when it goes to the max FPS it's like whoo went between 110 and 140 just swing it up and down but other than that you really can't tell that the CPU is under 100% load while the benchmark is putting the GPU at 100% load so if we were going to have any sort of cooling issues this would be it I'm gonna let this run run for about 20 minutes and then we'll see what happens all right so we're running for nearly 20 minutes now we've stabilized at 47 C and it kind of it hits 48 for like a split second and comes back down to 47 so let's go ahead and quit this test here and let's see so you can see here the CPU was still running right here a hundred percent the entire time and it's been running for 27 minutes now as you can see right there yeah this was when the CPU was running and then this was when the GPU was running so you can see temps came up slightly when both were running and that GPU loop was adding some heat max temp on the CPU was 80 so we went from 75 to 80 with the GPU running so the GPU dumping all of its heat into the loop and only a single 240 didn't actually change all that much the last thing worth pointing out is right here the maximum temperatures on the cores 75 80 81 and 80 overclocked and that's still about 25 Celsius away from thermal throttling now something else I had going here was my thermometer here testing the air temperature leaving the radiator as you can see 92 degrees what's going down now because it's not there anymore 92 degrees Fahrenheit or 33 degrees C is the temperature leaving the case now what did we learn here today besides the fact that a lot of people really like to make comments without actually knowing anything about what they're talking about well we've learned today that radiators are all rated in a watts displaced what that means is how much heat can the radiator remove before the heat continues to exponentially climb because the radiator can't remove the heat fast enough well there's a lot of factors here at play there's fan speed there's fam CFM there's the static pressure there is the ambient temperature and then there is of course the radiators rating itself the most radiator manufacturers don't actually put on the box the amount of heat that a radiator can display some do some don't but a rule of thumb here as I've said before as I recommend at least a minimum of 120 millimeters worth of radiator at 30 millimeter thickness for each component in a loop now for the amount of overhead that I would usually like to see a 240 for each component would be nice so I would have obviously fit a second radiator in here if I could for having cooling overhead but as you can see right now in an extreme situation with the CPU loop or the CPU at 100% and the GPU at 100% and only a single 240 rad in this case the Alpha cool st 30 or the Nexus st 30 was more than enough cooling with the fans that I have on there now if you live in a hot climate and a place that gets really really hot let's say you were in Australia or you were in India or someplace that gets really hot or Southern California as well or the Arizona desert you are going to want to put as much radiator as you could possibly fit so in your case you might have wanted to go with a smaller GPU and then end up going with more radiators and by smaller I mean shorter PCB something like a fury X or a fury something like that but when it comes to my situation here in this case and the fact that it's always going to be indoors and in air conditioning as you can see more than enough cooling now the one thing I want to point out too is that the ambient temperature where I am when I did this test actually rose five degrees Fahrenheit from when I started the test and when I finished it right now we are sitting at eighty one point five so six degrees actually one of six degrees Fahrenheit we're at eighty one point five degrees right now and be a temp in the room so that can account for some of the slightly hotter temperatures that you saw as well but all in all guys I wanted to make this video to address the fact that no I did not make a mistake by going with a single 240 I knew exactly what I was getting myself into because there's more at play on how cooling works then simply the size of the radiator if you were to take a giant radiator but put fans on there that aren't turning and moving enough air then it won't matter how big the radiator is eventually it will start to get really hot because air flow is just as important over radiator core then these sides of the radiator or even the core material itself anyway if you guys want to see more about this topic let me know down in the comments section hit me up on Twitter or Facebook and also too if you guys are into the car stuff my vlog channel was relaunched as a vlogs and car channel I actually put up my first video there just recently so you guys can check that out the link is in the description I don't know where there and hit subscribe if you guys like the car stuff and the me just babbling about you know god knows what I like to just get on there and be super super stupid sometimes and well that's okay because I'm a / stupid guy obviously because I used a single 240 red in this build what the heck was I thinking obviously I know nothing all right guys let's go ahead and get on out of here thanks for watching today's video I hope this edge of some questions and as always thanks for watching and I will see you in the next video