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okay the Corsair one we talked about this couple times already we talked about CES even I'm sure you guys are getting kind of sick of it but I've decided I'm going to be using this PC full-time I love its form factor I'm kind of redoing my whole home office and there's gonna be place for this PC somewhere and I'm thinking this would make a great guest PC as well friends come over when I play computer games with me and I used to have two computers you remember that never the old office and I had two computers in there well since then it turned into a slash guest room and I had to give up that space but now that we're moving into a new home and it's got a dedicated much larger room to work as my game room I think it's time that we we do a little extra work to this guy today's video sponsored by master up in the Sennheiser HD 6xx professional-grade reference headphones but more than 50,000 units sold the HD 6 xx is by far the most popular headphones ever sold through mass drop the superior build quality comfort and lightweight features make the HD 6 xx's among the best headphones available for only $200 be curious to see how high audio sounds for only 200 bucks click the link in the description below so one of the things we talked about in our overclocking video was the fact that we couldn't get the CPU to really sustain a 5 gigahertz overclock even though we've seen the 9900 K do a ton of overclocking with no problem we've we've we've been able to push all of the 8 cores to you know 5 gigs plus a 5.2 even on a iOS and this one for some reason you saw with OC CT it kept dropping down to like four five four four four three but Cinebench was fine and games for fines we were like something is holding this back well a lot of you guys in the comments were like it's your motherboard that MSI motherboard is vrm throttling at least that's what a lot of people were saying that not just like one guy and got a bunch of likes so I said that one of my issues with this was it felt like they sorted cheaped out on the motherboard so I'm gonna be putting in a new motherboard today and I'm still plan on doing some mods this like possibly takin the skins off and get him stripped and polish so it's like a super shiny think of like The Phantom Menace yes I know nobody like the Phantom Menace but a big shiny spaceship that belonged to Queen Amidala so that one would kind of look I'm gonna what wasn't me I'm a dollar I'm a dollar so I'll probably still do all that but that's stuff that we can do after the fact so I've got right here my ROG Strix Z 370 no it's still not a z3 90 because the 1z 390 mitx board that we have is still being used in the small build we did for the CES and with all the work I went through and all the headaches I went through on that I haven't had it hard to tear it down yet it'll probably get torn down at some point because it's kind of a loud mess although film will use it was it loud when you were editing stuff but whatever this still has a better overclocking features than we think this motherboard does one drawback to this board though that this board has which is kind of funny as this has an external mounted clear CMOS button where this one still uses an old-style jumper on the surface of the motherboard itself so if I really broke the overclocking the net that's open it up and I have to jump for that which means I find abuse in this board full-time and I don't upgrade again later I'll probably end up wiring like a button to the top or something EB is just a standard regular button so what we're gonna do it now is we're gonna go and open it up and let's see how hard this is gonna be I don't league's gonna be that hard but famous last words now I've already verified that all the sides and the plugs line up because I talked about that in our last video and I highly recommend you watch our teardown video if you haven't already because we kind of talked about where things are located on this and no scratches please also - one of my friends told me that this graphics card which I said look like a reference design but it doesn't look like a reference card they also said that this is an MSI motherboard so clearly Corsair has worked out a deal with MSI on this which is probably why they obviously are using that particular motherboard so if we look at this everything's in the same spot USB 3.0 is on the bottom right we got SATA right above it and SATA on the inside which they have some SATA running right there we've got our 24 pin on the top right right yes we got our eight pin on the top left top left and then the USB same exact spot here and here so we're really hoping at this point that we're gonna get better overclocks with this board looking at the vrm also oh yeah there's definitely more phases to this VRM for some reason MSI keeps leaving off onboard graphics they're not really supporting it most of the motherboards we have around here from inside don't have any sort of video port on them now the 1990 900k does have an eye GPU that's very useful for things like troubleshooting or even fasting fasting because of video because of quick sync if we do any sort of video rendering on this machine we can utilize the eye GPU to be a dedicated a choose h.264 encoder so for whatever reason msi removes that entirely I think they just assume if you're running this CPU you're gonna have a graphics card and we do but we can leverage the I GPU rather than it just being something sitting there not being used at all so there is another benefit to updating this motherboard even if performance wise on the overclocks we don't gain anything if I remove the cooler then I can remove this whole piece and I don't want this thing flopping around so it gets damaged Haley that's almost like perfect another thing we're gonna also benefit from there's an m2 on here and you see how this one has it mounted on the back so does this motherboard problem as this motherboard doesn't have one mounted on the front and my concern is since there's a solid wall there and a GPU on the other side the drive is gonna heat soak and as m2 gets hotter as with any storage it slows down so we're gonna move it to here which is going to be underneath this heatsink which makes contact with it which means that it's going to be now in the direct airflow from that convection assisted cooling which means we should get some better sustained drive speeds I don't think it's gonna really make any sort of a difference but my use case on this but it helps me sleep at night yes I'm pretty good thermal priced applications right there it's just the physical aspects of the space I have to work in fail so you undo these little tabs there's a little snap tabs if you are not poking see that but these little guys are here so these are snapped in like that and it wouldn't clear these so you could just you know push these up and out of the way and then so like I was saying we have all these skins and stuff right that we can take off we're showing you why motherboard manufacturers insist on not having to stand off of the m-dot to pre-installed I mean I think the biggest piece of advice I would have for anyone attempting like small builds like this is just take your time and if it doesn't fit just push a little harder there's glowing RGB in there like way up in there you can't really see them but they're really okay that's good time people ask me all the time Jay can you switch a motherboard and have your everything work well usually since the introduction of UEFI BIOS you could but we've recently had some instances where we get some conflicts and stuff but ever since like Windows 7 it's kind of not really been an issue but so far we're not getting an image all right so we think we know what's happening here so we went back and looked at the bios available for this motherboard on Asus website and I like to fill and I was like I bet you this BIOS needs to be updated because it's not ready for ninth gin this has launched BIOS on here this is the one that was shipped with when the board was new then 99 hundred K didn't exist yet and sure enough we see on the website that there is indeed a BIOS for supporting 9th Gen Intel so what we are gonna do is I've got my 8700 K right here we're gonna drop this in see if the boots if it doesn't update the BIOS at which we should then have a working computer I'm sure someone in the comments has already while you were watching us get to this point we're like you didn't update your boss you stupid you didn't update your patents what we did well we're working on it anyway yeah clearing CMOS is always the best thing to do alright now we know fan hooked up to this so so through the process of clearing CMOS and taking out RAM and then booting it in single channel and then going back into dual channel we were able to get it to boot so now I've got my external or my USB Drive in there and we can now go into our set up load our ninth gen BIOS and then do everything we just did again look at with no fan going the CPUs at 23 see now that passive cooling is Walla probably convection assisted so the start of this video I talked about the fact that usually with UEFI BIOS and Windows 7 and newer you could usually just switch out your hardware and windows would automatically detect it and get devices ready as you can see right here on this screen the only thing you might encounter every now and then assume I have a conflicting driver on various chipsets like when we did this with OS right was the on Lord wireless for one of the other builds that we did and that was causing an issue so all you do is go in there disable whatever or uninstall whatever driver it is install a fresh one as long as you can get in a safe mode fun fact if you can't get in the safe mode you keep getting a blue screen every time you see the windows logo just power cycle the computer off do it twice and on the third attempt it will automatically go into boot recovery which you could then go into safe mode because Windows was stupid or Microsoft is stupid and decided to take away the f54 boot options ok new CPU is in rebooted now we can get the whole point of this video which was not supposed to be how to fix this it's bullet overclocked any better now I'm a lot more comfortable with the Asus BIOS I am with the MSI one so what we're gonna do is we're gonna turn on a couple of things here we're gonna go to manual actually it's got XMP so we'll get the memory to speed up as well we are going to and you can see the timings tighten up slightly we're gonna go to multi core enhancement and leave that at Auto AVX inspection whoops and a DX instruction a negative offset we're going to leave that at where you go to zero on that one we don't want to offset CPU power enhancement leave that Auto so beautiful ratio sync all cores and I want to see what just those two settings do I'm not touching the DRAM frequency or the ratio I'm not touching any of that so it's a 20 666 which is the XMP profile for this memory not the fastest Ram I'm surprised I mean I feel like they could have at squeeze some 3,000 dims in here and I probably will do that myself later voltage control and all that stuff is set to auto so I'm not touching any of that stuff I want to see what it goes up to so by just syncing all the cores you should potentially see a four seven I believe you should see a 4.7 across the board I'm curious with the voltage Dez though sometimes auto can just freak out and goes give it all the voltage it's got temperature 65 75 80 to 84 mid 80s I can still handle it hottest core is sitting at 86 no no it state of five kicks Oh nope drop two for one so it dropped overtime but not due to thermals once again probably due to power limit or power draw so we changed a few things in the BIOS I reduced the voltage down to 1/3 because I know 1/3 should give us a solid 5 we've already dealt with that I increase the V group a little bit increase the power draw or power limit of the CPU to 140 percent set some of the vrm settings to extreme we have a lot of cooling directly on the vrm this fan so the V RMS are like right here and the fans right on top of it so any air being exhausted is going right across the V R M so it does have active air flow on it so I'm feeling kind of confident about that but we just need to find what is actually causing it to throttle down and whether or not we can even overcome it temps are in the 60s and 70s and we stayed at 5 so far the whole time yeah oh you mother see what happens this time same frequency a little bit of justed voltage a little bit adjusted B droop but look at that we almost matched our other score which I think this was a 5:1 I'm not mistaken no maybe it was a 5 it was a 5 so this is sitting in the mid-60s at 5 gigs and it has not throttled down all right so I'm gonna stop that let's see now if we can get 5.1 alright so as long as we don't get any crashes here is your verification run of 5.10 when the event that Phil didn't catch it on camera we did get a 5.1 run to work just fine so I'm gonna go ahead and set this thing back believe it or not from for all of this work I'm gonna set it to like for 8 for the daily which is still an improvement over we got with the EMA side board because no matter what settings we adjusted there we still couldn't get it to stay at 4 7 or 4 8 it always dropped down to like 4 3 4 5 so we still have an improvement here and I was pushing the voltage pretty far here and I don't think any of that's necessary so I'm gonna go maybe 4 9 will do 4 9 how's that alright so go back to 1 point 3 5 and then it's kind of pulling back a lot of these voltages here and yeah that should be good yeah this was a bit of a rollercoaster of a video it was like yeah just swap the by the board it'll work fine oh no way to swap the CPU and then swap the CPU back oh then the RAM didn't want to work oh now the RAM works oh hey five point one now five point doesn't work so I promise that's the last course are one video you're gonna see of an actual video of that can't say you won't see any ads though I'm gonna go guys thanks for watching I said on Twitter and tell you guys to I am in the process of moving homes so videos are gonna be kind of like just like wherever they end up we're doing the best we can does me shooting Phil that's what that was you guys couldn't see it feels like yeah I'm doing the best I can so yeah I appreciate your guys's patience and all that we got some giveaways coming up got some fun content planned oh no actually I lied you're gonna see one more course there one video but we're gonna be hook in the air conditioner up to it like I promised so there is that alright guys thanks for watching and as always we'll see you in the next one but I digress [Laughter] the internet is not ready for my vocal range okay so through so a radio operator in the Navy had a child and the child learned Morse code child's first Morse code words were Dada did it alright so as long as we don't get any crashes here is you not you me Oh [Laughter] - you can do that on command what the Kyle what's wrong with you Oh