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Were the new AMD GPUs worth the wait? - Navi specs Revealed

2019-06-10
all right so III is in full-swing and we're gonna talk about it now the only frustrating thing I think on think honestly about the same D launch is the fact that they're doing it in such like segments it's like summit Computex will actually summit CES summit Computex summit 83 with availability in july so it's kind of like come on just just just pour it out let us have it let us have all this goodness yeah we're gonna talk about we're talking about their new processors the 3950 X has finally been debuted and we're going to talk about their new rDNA technology on their graphics cards and their Navi architecture has finally been well unveiled so let's go and talk about it Coursera is proud to present their new Hydra X line of custom water cooling products the new XG 5 series radiators offer the perfect balance of indents 'ti and airflow to keep your loop cool and quiet the x3 7 water blocks feature full coverage cooling for GPU while also maintaining an aesthetically pleasing design while the XC 7 and XC 9 cpu blocks keep all your modern cpus nice and cool to see the complete lineup of high directs cooling products from corsair click the link in the description below alright so we're just gonna kind of go through processors quickly because I think there was a little bit less shown on processors than the new graphics card which is obviously well new graphics card family which is obviously everyone's favorite exciting thing because we know that the CPU side has been competitive now for AMD for several years it's the GPU side of things that has been kind of like an and lackluster it's because I've had a hard time getting the momentum going in my opinion but the 3900 X we've we've seen obviously some of the teases and stuff about it we finally started seeing some performance figures now as you should with any company whether it being Intel Nvidia or AMD you need to take these figures with a grain of salt you need to see and wait for independent testing you need to watch a bunch of different sources to kind of form a median performance figure I mean everyone tests differently so AMD obviously wants to put their best foot forward so you want to be leery of that don't get caught up in hype trains and stuff wait for independent testing unfortunately that's not going to be until July but the 3900 X which is the 12 Core 24 thread part which is designed to compete directly with Intel 79 20 X which is an X 299 on extreme platform remember the 3100 x is on main stream running dual channel RAM and the Intel is running quad channel Ram they are boasting a 14% uptick in IPC versus 2000 series rise in our last series rise n so which is obviously based on you know the first gen risin email is not an 1800 series or 1800 X 27 or X that's the same architecture we're now seeing Xen - so we're seeing a 14% IPC uptick which means that it's putting it pretty much in line directly with Intel in terms of IPC and we're seeing faster clocks across the board we still don't know yet exactly how many cores boost up to the up to 4.7 or 4 point 6 gigahertz but if all the rumors hold true this is excellent because the 3100 X with 12 cores 24 threads is showing that it's come it's trading blows with the 9900 K which is kind of always been and I know Lobby right now we're like we'll wait a minute 900k only has 8 through 8 cores wait a sec the 9900 K has always been touted as like the ultimate gaming CPU because of high IPC's high clocks which means less bottlenecking better latency and all those things that give you a better gaming experience usually the higher core count CPUs do not give you as good of a gaming experience because of multi-threaded performance and you know leverage CPUs and all that sort of thing and this is showing us that it is trading blows between the 9900 K when it comes to gaming it depending on the title you could see a couple percent improvement of AMD over Intel and vice versa so if we're seeing it competing with the ultimate gaming CPU but also if you look at the multi-threaded performance against the 79 20x in productivity where it's beating it pretty much across the board well these figures hold up and all the independent reviewers see the same experience you're gonna have a thousand dollar CPU being beaten across the board by a $499 CPU so that's exciting especially if the fact that we're seeing it in productivity outpacing the 79 20x with half the memory channels well then that makes it that much better because you don't have to spend twice as much on memory and you're still getting a better overall experience we also saw the 39 50x being debuted which obviously has 16 cores and 32 threads which is interesting because that now puts it directly competing with last gen thread Ripper on mainstream platform for significantly less 749 dollars to be exact so yeah it's one of those things where it's like and with the wait till September for that unfortunately the 3900 X will be available in July I think July 7th but not only is it running on the X 570 platform running PCIe gen 4 which we've already talked about giving you good improvements in IO in terms of your raid cars and MDOT two drives and any sort of PCI Express not necessarily graphics cards but things that can saturate that type of bandwidth you're gonna see up to 42 percent faster SSD performance I mean across the board this is just insane in terms of what we're seeing here the fact that we're seeing the next-gen product in terms of PCI Express and all that sort of stuff he launched on an AMD platform we're not Intel shows that the tides have certainly shifted now we're gonna on also to the 3900 X has 17 megabytes of cache and 40 PCIe lanes with PCI you Gen 4 and all that sort of stuff so that's pretty mind-boggling you guys have seen the other guys talking about the motherboard quality at Computex usually you would see Intel motherboards having a better build quality and AMD was kind of like an even though they may have shared the same name like Strix & Strix or you know like a the Auris card versus our motherboard versus another orest motherboard they just didn't have the same quality between them now we're talking about build quality on AMD motherboards outpacing and being better build quality than the Intel counterparts it's kind of insane but moving on to graphics because that's where AMD is always sort of lacks for quite a long time they brought back the XT family and they're doing that obviously with the Navi architecture the new rDNA basically giving us a new mainstream graphics card but it's not higher performance than Radeon 7 which i think is all gonna be disappointing to a lot of people because of the fact that when CES came out and we talked about around that time the 590 and all that stuff being the the mainstream card that was only competing with like a 980 or something like that or 92t I think it was a lot of folks when RTX came out were saying wait for Nattie wait for Nattie wait for Navi wait for navigate unfortunately this is not the Navi everyone was hoping for and it's looking like AMD is still staying with that mantra of competing with the mid-range market so for instance the 5700 XT which I think it's cool that it brought the XT name back it's kind of a throwback to the original Radeon days where everything was XT and all that it's directly competing with a RT X 2070 and it's got eight gigabytes of gddr5 a staunch architecture GCN or like a you know ultimate GCN architecture or whatever you want to call it so if you were which is competing with directly with a 2080 so Nvidia so all by itself up there in the major leagues in terms of 28 ET i/o performance and all that sort of stuff you're not gonna see any competition coming from AMD occupying that price point but does it I mean that's kind of a ridiculous price point to begin with most people don't need that type of graphics power now the new shroud that they're showing and this is pretty obvious that it's gonna be a partner card because people are gonna come out obviously we're partners can come out with multi fan coolers you know vapor chambers and heat pipes and all that sort of stuff sticking with the gaming lines you're used to from all of your favorite board partners I like the way the new strap looks a lot there's a lot of controversy on the dent the dent looking weird I just like the fact that it's something a little bit different thrown in there I like the sort of quarter Ori look to it apparently there's a 50th anniversary edition where it with Lisa Sue's like signature on and like gold trim and all that sort of stuff just totally unnecessary but I mean if you're a huge fan of a indeed probably interested in that but the 5700 XT and the 5700 are designed to compete with the 2070 and the 2060 now they did all the figures here at 1440p gaming which is a lot I saw a lot of people in the comments section on the livestream sort of commenting like well of course we're not doing 1080 because it just shows that their CPUs suck well no if you want to truly stress a graphics card you need to put the load on the graphics card need to do that with high resolutions and 1440 makes sense because 4k gaming is still such a small adoption rate in the in the industry I think 1440 was the perfect sweet spot but I think this was perfect because at the four hundred and forty nine dollar price point you're getting a two hundred twenty five YTD B card using obviously TSMC s7 nanometer Navi architecture and it's looking like it's beating the twenty seven D fairly across the board with a couple of like shadow of the Tomb Raider it looks like the twenty seven he was still beating it but you're seeing anywhere between a two percent to a 22 percent FPS game raw FPS across the board on various titles and they tested everything from Far Cry to Tom Clancy to the division Assassin's Creed Odyssey and a weird title I guess AMD title right so we saw a huge overall improvement over the twenty seventy at a the same price point so that's that that's one thing worth talking about but there's another part to this I'm going to talk about in just a sec if we look at the 27 or the 5700 which is compared to the r-tx 2060 it's anywhere from a two percent to twenty one percent improvement across the board we'll put the same charts up that they showed again wait for independent testing because we've seen these types of charts before and then we find their very unique circumstances where these tend to make sense both cards are featuring eight gigabytes of gddr5 hundred compared to the 2060 2060 only has six gigs of GDD our six you're getting more vram and with that you're getting well better performance across the board but I can already hear the Nvidia fanboys out there screaming but it doesn't have tensor cores and it doesn't have our T course well I guess this is where you get to have a fun opportunity to purge ice because it's one of those things where if you wanted to compete with Nvidia aim D didn't have anything until July of this year because 590 was the best you could get that didn't come anywhere near competing with the 2000 series whether it be a 26 year up well now at the same price point you get that option do you want raw performance which is what you can get with obviously with the the 50 750 700 or do you want the extra features that could potentially be adopted in the future more widely but huge FPS Tex that r-tx in real-time the XRS or ray-tracing is going to cost you so this is where if you want the pretties i guess you go within a video card if you want the performance just no matter what then you get the AMD card because if you go in the nvidia card you just disable it all the time then technically get better performance with AMD card and there's a couple new functions that we still want to test here internally because they're cog they're talking about anti lag which is supposed to improve the lag between your monitor and your graphics card when they said ng lag i immediately thought of like fast and furious and i'm seen in my brain like super azure out there on two-step and they're just really want to know exactly how that works but yeah there was zero mention of our of real-time ray tracing which I found kind of interesting considering the fact that navvies architecture is running on the next generation game consoles and they specifically mentioned real-time ray tracing for the consoles and Lisa Sue's keynote even started with we love the PC space we love the PC platform that is where our passion isn't seven she talks about that but zero mention of ray tracing there so maybe this is where we're waiting for potentially a new flagship card to replace Vega that could potentially then compete with that high-end Nvidia price point as well as give you that real-time ray tracing or maybe they're doing with a lot of people think Nvidia should have which is just okay you made this thing and it works now improve it internally before you release it to the public so you get the frames that people want and the obviously the real-time ray tracing so I feel like with the graphics side of things a lot of folks are disappointed because they really were expecting in AMD's Navi to just bring it but where they're bringing in is where most people are shopping thrown on the point $200 and $500 is where most people spend their money most people spend that money closer to the $200 range and I'm curious as if we're gonna see a rDNA graphics card in that two hundred to three hundred and $59 price point although we've got a three hundred and forty nine dollar or a fifty seven hundred so yeah I still a lot to wait for a lot to learn but we don't have that much information yet on exactly when these cards we made available yeah so anyway just another piece talking about some of the news that's out there you guys probably already heard this information you're going Jay this is redundant why are you talking about it well I've got my audience I'm still obligated to talk to you about this sort of stuff this is why we have this channel so that we can talk about this sort of stuff but in July we're gonna obviously be talking about the new graphics are the new CPUs and doing some tests on that and I'll tell you what skunkworks is currently running a 16 core processor it's running a 79 60 X and if we see the 16 core 39 50x beating the 79 60 X and makes me kind of want to switch that computer back to a and B for the hell of it considering that's how this channel started was with an AMD Rig of mine I'm just curious as to how Intel's gonna answer so alright guys stand up in the comments below on how you feel about the new lineup of CPUs now that we've seen pricing and what the actual performance of this according to their chart stacks up and with these two new graphics cues from AMD I am positive there's more graphics cards coming out in the future you can't have a family that resides in only two different SKUs you've got to have more than that above it and below it I'm hoping we'll see something come out that truly compares with the 20 a DTI I'd love to see some real trying real time ray tracing stuff come from AMD because I'm a nerd I love the graphics and so I want to see that and I want to see it represented on both sides but ultimately the buyers are the ones that determine how these companies sort of shift their their focus so sound off in the comments below on what you guys think about the new leaks hopefully you guys won't hear anything about this until we actually have parts in hand that are ready to show you in the beginning of July alright guys thanks for watching and as always was you in there
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