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I speak yep I think that's in shot what's up tech nerds Jays two cents here and I've got it videos that I think it's going to be kind of important now recently we talked about the new launch of KB Lake and the upcoming launch of Rison and what those two CPUs have in common is they're going to require Windows 10 to have full support from Microsoft and I really got me thinking what the heck does that mean what does that mean full support what happens if you try and install an older operating system like 8.1 on something like KB light guys I would try Windows 7 but I don't actually have an ISO for that so sorry like we talked about in Tech Talk I'm actually bootleg stuff so sorry I did a decent amount of research going into this video because I was curious as to if anyone has actually tried this and believe it or not I was having hard time finding any concrete information of what's going to happen if you try installing an old OS on kb lake so here's what we're going to do I've got my i-5 7600 K back here running at 5 gigs the same machine I talked about before and it has got a GTX 1080 gaming extra MSI and I'm gonna do two things I'm just going to do a Cinebench run and I'm going to do a Metro last light run in DirectX 11 the problem is there's there's no way to really do this test and see definitively what it means when Microsoft says it's not supported it's not support it doesn't mean it won't work it just means we're not going to support it like they have a problem they're gonna be like oh well not our problem but what happens when you try it now I'm using Cinebench because I consider a stress test to be a pretty good indicator of whether or not a piece of hardware is solid now this doesn't mean it's hitting all of the different tasks that a CPU has to do which means it's probably missing some of the errors that might pop up if we end up doing this on an OS it's not supported because remember the operating system basically scans your system when it's installing it and then it gets everything ready ready and says oh here's the hardware you have here's the ini files and all the things we're going to load to make that Hardware talk to the software so that's where the problem could possibly lie now obviously this is going to work because it's supported its Windows 10 but remember this is the baseline in case you curious and I 570 600 K at 5 gigahertz is giving me an 830 score on Cinebench r15 so you guys can do your own test to kind of it actually beat out a 4770k its top speeds that's cool non hyper-threaded CP ba hyper-threaded cpu i like that the reason why I'm using Metro 2033 last lights benchmark is because it's a pretty stressful dx11 benchmark if I want to compare this any kind of performance difference or any difference whatsoever means trying to see what happens before and after I have to at least have something that's comparable in both OS so I can't use a dx12 benchmark because then I can't run it in Windows 8.1 yeah well just let this test continue into it we get but also what am I doing here is I'm taking the exact same SSD that Windows 10 is on right here a savage 960 and we're going to end up putting Windows 8.1 on here loading up all the same stuff and the first thing we're going to test though is whether or not updates will even work because Microsoft says it's not supported when it does its update it's all based on hardware and stuff so who knows we may not even get as far as being able to do this test that's kind of the point of this video so the average framerate was exactly 100 and 60 fps a 10-minute ease pretty badass why am I not using a 7700 K you might ask I've got bigger plans for this guy set aside all right let's get Windows 8.1 loaded on here at least try it let's see what happens installation is done reboot time this is now the moment of truth what happens when we get into the desktop I think it's going to explode I think being thinking getting devices ready this is when it would see what CPU is in there thinking and black screen for a little while been sitting like this for a couple minutes now hmm well we'll give it a little more time it's been several minutes now it's just up Lucas we got a blue screen here watchdog violation that's what we got that's funny that right when I hit record this popped up well let it reboot and see what happens but watchdog violation well I don't know this time we got a little bit farther ok now we're checking for updates this might be the part where it comes back with like donno what CPU you're using I think it's weird that we blue screen during the installation process but then again it is still running the five gigahertz overclock so we might have had a funky thing happen there but once again we wait during all of like the doomsdayers online with their articles saying that this wasn't going to work this was the part where they thought that we would see the most incompatibility would be during the updates where it's trying to apply updates there's no ini files or such available for that do we just restart no there we go okay updates are done so clearly it was able to update itself and instead of our apps no don't do that the Microsoft ecosystem the most unfriendly ecosystem there is you know what they say the only thing I use good for is downloading other browsers so far everything's working just fine like you would never know you were on a processor that's not supported with a certain operating system but I'm going to install my drivers and I'll reserve my opinions to the end so this is like the third lockup that I've experienced so far since that blue screen I showed you I don't know if it's relate related to the overclock or know the truth because overclock is in rock solid in my Windows 10 environment I've been using that fight there goes fine news I've been using that 5 gigahertz overclock all along in fact I even bumped up the voltage a little bit since some of the other crash is thinking it might have been OC related but now I'm not so sure because some of the article said that random crashes and freezes could be a side effect of the quote unquote non-supported CPU and it seems to happen every time I'm installing something so I'm going to pull the overclock back just a tad 24.9 at least to see if I can get through the installation now it does actually recognize KB Lake it says right up here Core i5 7600 K KB lake at 3.8 gigahertz that's the turbo clock or whatever it's currently running at 4.9 4 gigahertz so I've got my 5 gig overclock going right now where to start up Cinebench here and this is to me going to be kind of the real telltale sign on whether or not there's any sort of stability issues at least now I I'm not testing for differences in performance right now I am checking for differences in stability now we've already seen several crashes as I mentioned I still can't I still don't know what caused that I mean the watchdog error usually is related to like an overclock but I've been running that same overclock without any problems the whole time I've been running the KB Lake system over here you guys to see I've left the system up so don't know what that one's all about but I expect performance here to be pretty much the same I don't expect there to be any differences here now I can't think of any testing scenario I could do that would hit all the different types of instructions sets that the CPU would go through to check for any sort of compatibility issues that will say this updated fine nothing said oh oh this isn't compatible nothing at all so if you were out there buying a hardware and just throwing it together and you didn't know that Microsoft is only supporting Windows 10 then you might not think there was ever a problem so we got a 822 so 8 points difference I mean it's a little bit of a performance difference there can't call that CPU support related in any way shape or form Metro last light I don't expect there to be any real performance difference same cards no overclock on the card the first time there's no overclock on it this time I expect it to be pretty much the same as we got the first test on Windows 10 was 160 FPS I guess we'll just have to see exactly what we get this time around 157 FPS so 3 FPS different 150 7.07 so less just under 3 FPS differently so what does it mean then when Microsoft says that they're only going to support Windows 10 with KB Lake well do you remember that video I did where I tried to do the unofficial 3-way SLI of GTX 1080 when Nvidia said they're only supporting two-way SLI remember how I saw weird crashes or games that would even load or really just bizarre behavior that's a perfect example of something that's only supported where that means nobody's checking for coding for or fixing issues found in any sort of test environment or particular hardware environment that's outside the realm of what's supportive so if I started having weird issues with KB Lake and Windows 8.1 any of those bugs submitted are not going to be looked at by anybody if I even called up Windows tech support mo K I'm having this weird problem and they see that I'm using KB Lake on an OS that's not supported they'll be like well than sorry we can't help you that's um support it that's basically what that means it doesn't mean it won't necessarily the work as you see it worked fine at least for the small test configuration that I did here are the test scenarios that I just used but obviously there's nothing I could do here right now that would test every single iteration of use case for the CPU MSOs that's just impossible for one person to do would take a long time to do that but AMD might be a different story at least KB Lake is built on skylake which is supported by Windows now and 8.1 doesn't mean the future Windows is it going to start putting a mess pushing out a message to you saying hey your CPU is not supported on this OS update to Windows 10 you start seeing that crap all over again or even worse locking down your OS and having it not work at all anymore because you're using an unsupported CPU that would be an extreme dick move of Microsoft but let's not put that past that Microsoft makes dick moves all the time but AMD's Rison is built on an entirely new CPU architecture something that Windows has never seen on the older OSS so if the drivers in such needed for the OS to work with the CPU is not even existing in the older OS is like 8.1 and older then it may not work for install at all that's something I will be testing when Rison comes out anyway guys there you go it works fine for me if you guys have tried this comment down below and let me know if you had any weird issues and what they were I'm surprised that I didn't couldn't find a single video or anybody talking about actually doing this online so I figured what the heck I would do it myself there was an easy enough test sound off in the comments guys hit like if this video helped you hit just like if you thought it's less and if you got stuck then give me a suggestion is what you think would have made it better anyway time to go guys thanks for watching as always I'll see you in the next video