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hey happy Thursday everybody and welcome to another edition of good to go I'm Noah Kravitz from technobuffalo calm and I'm James kinnard from ZDNet mobile news James what's going on happy june happy official summer even though at least up here it's been cold and rainy since I it's like a hundred degrees here so there you go you got the summer we've got you seen Gulf Coast I mean this is it it's already here ya know well I guess we've got the typical Bay Area summer which is I you know cold and overcast instead of a yeah more importantly yesterday was the first day of prayer Casey's lidge's what we we watch quite careful yeah yeah no kidding and tornadoes in New York tornado warning in new york city site of crazy it's crazy i don't know what's going on its 2012's coming well i guess i guess that's why we're not meteorologist were mobile phone guys so mobile device guys so we're going to talk about what we know a lot going on this week pretty view of Windows 8 shown off yesterday at the All Things D or the d9 conference and then Apple doing what they never do and pre announcing what they're going to talk about at the WWDC keynote here in san francisco on monday so why don't we start with what actually happened already windows 8 they they showed off the president windows mobile is on stage with the kids from The Wall Street Journal and showed off a preview of windows 8 it's going to run on tablets it's going to run on you know big desktop monitors it'll run on arm system-on-a-chip builds I app apps yeah what's your what's your take what you see what you think well yeah they must be feeling a lot of pressure because they actually did the same presentation at computex of Taiwan mm-hmm I mean the the dog and pony show they gave a brief you know demo of what the interface is going to look like which is kind of like Windows Phone own turned on it slide and she go for a bigger screen yeah and I just find a pretty interesting that their contention that they're going to have the same version of Windows a running on all laptops tablets and desktops and well I just think that's biting off a lot more than they can chew and there those are totally different device types I don't I it sounds like a hot mess to me I don't know I'm not I wasn't at the conference I was watching some some of the live blog coverage while I was trying to get some other stuff wrapped up so you know I read about it more later and you know I have not been a day to day Windows user for quite a while when I was it was short-lived so maybe not the best person to talk about it but I mean what you just said trying to do one you know one operating system one platform for all those different sizes of devices and use cases and the whole like it's all touch screen base but then it remaps stuff to the keyboard and the mouse or trackpad and I don't know just what I saw kind of look like the Windows Phone Metro UI sort of as a skin and then you get underneath it and I guess they're going to have certain apps built for the portable devices but the rest of the absolutely regular windows apps and then you're trying to navigate with the touchscreen it just reminds me of the old windows mobile where you know you had a stylus and you were trying to poke around on little scroll bars on a portable screen and I don't know it didn't it didn't sit well with me well i mean the the interface itself I i have to admit it looked pretty nice but i think the problem they're going to run into is what has always been a problem for windows touch tablets because I mean there are windows 7 touch tablets out there today the problem or the apps I mean are the developers supposed to write every app to handle all of these different types of devices if it's if it's one version I don't think they're going to do that that's a lot of work yep you know may I'm not a developer so maybe I'm taking a very narrow view of it but I can't imagine trying to produce an app that works well with touch on tablets but yet works okay on desktops with the keyboard and a mouse and road I just itch H it's really hard to tell where this is going then what's amazing is they really are feeling pressure because they're moving fast of all of this I mean they will Microsoft doesn't move fast ever yeah and I think that's why they've stepped forward and said let us show this off this week because they're feeling the heat they know they've got to do something they are you know they just shut off your the mango update for one phone 7 and you know that this gets a little beyond my knowledge of the the business side of desktop and laptop hardware but you know rolling our windows 8 forearm and just what that opens up you know seems like the whole Microsoft Intel arm relationship seems fascinating and like you know perhaps really the bigger story then the windows 8 UI but I mean it's all obviously linked together I know there's a there's a thing online today I guess at computex in video was showing off one of their quad-core kal-el reference designs running Windows 8 which you know sort of takes the the whole thing about single core dual core quad core smartphones and tablets into this new realm where well not just a tablet it's windows and just you know what that's going to open up Pandora's box of I I don't know business opportunities fragmentation developer concerns what you name it well I mean we'll just have to see how this shakes out it's too early to really make any determinations but it's just very confusing and I'll tell you that but one thing's for sure that I in my opinion Apple has got these guys scared I mean yeah they do then the ipad has just caught the entire mobile industry by surprise i mean yeah i even here every day today from from my reader there's there's a huge contingency of people that say Oh tablets are fad they're gonna go away I tell you what I don't think anybody's really taken into account how many ipads that Apple has sold this isn't a fad this is a gigantic industry well so let's let's talk about that and let's look ahead to next Monday and it's funny to say look at because right now you've got not just the you know the the d9 conference but Qualcomm's uplink conference going on and the heads of HTC and nokia speaking and currently Texas over there to that challenge yeah and you know all kinds of stuff going on but um you know like you said sort of a looking at how Apple has you know sort of just I mean shifted the shifted the power around and and people started chasing them to try to catch up with what's going to happen next what is going to happen next they went ahead and drop the press release earlier this week saying you know WWDC we're going to talk about Steve Jobs will be there I'll be there with a team will necessarily be just jobs giving a keynote but they'll be there they're going to talk about iOS 5 they're going to talk about lion of course the next build of 0 is 10 and then I cloud and lots of speculation everything from you know the itunes in the cloud service to system level integration with twitter twitter announcing this week they're they're moving in on yfrog and twitpic and they're going to launch their own photo hosting service you know all kinds of quran apple rolls out the iwork suite for ipad and iphone so now they're you know kind of formally make it out as an enterprise move but just you know another sort of step towards productivity move productivity move yeah that's that stuff yeah better word for it I don't you know from the little I know and I know we're talking about mobile and not you know desktop laptop stuff but it let it all bleed together so much the little bit that I know about Mac os10 lion the next version next big you know update to the Apple operating system things like full screen apps and things like sort of an app launcher where you can see all of your applications in one sort of grid of icons view I mean the desktop is becoming a little tiny bit more like iOS and so what is this you know how we can talk about anything but just it when you were more talk about windows 8 and how Microsoft feeling the heat and tablets not being a fad you know Apple seems committed to it's not just that they've rolled out hardware and they're trying to make a move in mobile it's they really seem to have a vision for what they think personal computing and perhaps computing in general is going to look like in the future I don't know I mean but you know it open question to you anything from what do you think we're going to see next week to you know is that where we're heading is everybody sort of now chasing apples vision of what computing is becoming well I think that's probably true some what I mean Apple has made it clear they because they've showed off pieces of lion before so it's not like it this brand new they definitely have tried to take the the most compelling factors of the ipad interface and bring it into the desktop there's no question they there they very straightforward about that yeah we're bringing some of this stuff in here because it fits it works and that's what they do is they try to bring stuff in that works I think what we'll see next week definitely the talk is going to be centered around lion and I ls5 or iphone 5 iOS 5 I guess is what we should say hardware and I think it's going to be very soft we're focused and I and I think there's a good reason for that because they're not ready to bring out a new iphone i don't believe because they just did to deal with verizon and just silly i mean it would kill the verizon customers if they brought out a new uncle ya know i'm with you i think September yeah it's going to be later so and then plus you know we just had a refresh of the ipad we have had the iphone 4 it's now been out for about a year but you know the iphone and the ipad are now such mature products that i think they're pretty much stuck from here on out at very incremental type of upgrades i mean i really can't see them Wow let's completely shake things up they're selling too many of these things to change them too much and it would be silly I had this I agree with you and I think we're at a point in the the product cycle where we're we're going to shift back to seeing yeah I think for the past couple years we've seen big leaps and bounds in mobile hardware advances you know the processing power and the display resolution and the sophistication and in response time of the touch screens and the accelerometers and gyroscopes the front camera is and all that stuff and I think we're going to shift back to seeing a little more in the way of software and services you know coming more to the fore and and of course like you said you know that they have to especially come in like Apple you know they their bread and butter is moving hardware and move in sort of you know premium hardware but you know and they're already doing that you see that's that's that's the whole thing and and their their other thing is about very you know a holistic approach to the user interface and usability of the products and I think that's why there's kind of stepping back now and moving like you said to the software side let's let's really start bringing in all this stuff together and grow and that is I think the move they're looking at to keep them ahead of the competition you know so they don't have to have new hard work to do that they can yep keep innovating in so very so iOS 5 you think we're going to see big changes uh what people say under the hood you think we're gonna see big changes on the surface revamp to the way it looks and functions I i would be surprised I mean I I can't see them complete I wish except that money I can't either that's that's not really their style they they do you know they don't have to do anything it seems like they do have to do something about notifications um I think I can't we've been saying that for years yeah they're saying no we don't yeah I mean widgets I don't think we're gonna see widgets I don't think that's that's apple style i think widgets might make sense on the ipad but they're not going to change one and not the other it's just it you know I don't mean this in a positive negative way I just mean that's our google roles and Google is now trying to bring it together with ice cream sandwich tablet sand and you know phones Apple's already got it together or they're bringing it together and I don't think they're going to you know put widgets on one or not the other and I cannot see them putting widgets on on an iphone screen it just doesn't seem like what they were doing yeah and the fact that they have converged the two device types into basically the one version of iOS actually limits how much they can change like I said they they can't make drastic changes on one most likely that won't screw up the other row row or diverge it again and I don't think they want to do that I think it'll be software under the hood stuff and we're gonna see a lot of cloud stuff at they're really going to start promoting the heck out of that yeah so so you know and i'm not sure where we're at with our timer here to keep this at this month yeah we're we're pushing it already all right so so real quick what do you you look up in the sky you see anything in apple's cloud or is it is it murky and we just have to know i think they're going to tie it into everything from was 10 on the desktop to the to the ipad through itunes i think they're gonna they're gonna clarify the whole ocean h and they're gonna find ways to monetize it I itunes perhaps you know deeper Twitter maybe Facebook integration and more options for sure I'm not sure they need that stuff now you know I've already got it through third-party apps and there's no I mean there's not really a good way to monetize Twitter and Facebook that's what everybody else is discovered right right there do not got right they they they haven't really found a way to do that I mean we all like to be on each other's facebook walls and tweetin all the time but we don't want to pay anybody for the privilege to do that right whereas you know if you want to not have to worry about if you've got a particular song on your iPhone or not but you know you pay a few bucks to stick that all in Apple's uh North Carolina data center and stream it down your device well that's that's that's what I was going to suggest is let's say how can they make money off of say twitter I mean I hear a lot of people who are heavy on Twitter saying I wish I could back up at archive all my oh my stuff right that's where the cloud could come in so well well will suck all your tweets up to to our cloud and and when we're Apple you know they'll just be there yep nothing so there you go I'm not and we'll all end up paying them so much per gigabyte you know our storage we'll just have to see how they play it then yeah and so uh no no new iphone hardware next week now I can't see it I don't think so just can't see over there well whatever it is eh it'll most likely only be part of the story you know they'll roll out you know some of this stuff and iCloud and some of the stuff you know I always like the beginnings of it and it or rates like everybody else does and be I think we'll be back here next Thursday to talk about you know whatever it is that goes down between now and then then there'll be one more thing there'll be one more thing there's always one more thing and it'll be software I or services right right all right any any final parting shots anything going on on on your ZDNet blog over there you want to talk about before we go well no just business as usual trying to cover all this stuff galaxy galaxy tab 10-1 officially announced for the u.s. today I think you mentioned or maybe us before we get on the air a date leaked for the HTC evo view the flower thing the shift I'm not evil the evo 4g is getting an official gingerbread update than two or three days before she getting tons abroad yeah so I'm getting ready for that by unrooting my my evo unloading into the evo so he huh yeah so I can get the OTA update because gingerbread is a big change can't should have the new HTC Sense interface which we we've already talked about all about the flyer when we both are impressed with that so I'm I'm getting ready for it that's why I've almost bricked my evo yeah and that's also that's going to be on the the tmobile sensation which they just announced yesterday yeah they sell always always always busy alright well James till next time people want to check out the blog the URL is zdnet com / blog / mobile dash news and as always i'm over on technobuffalo with the crew to james till next time I hope the the weather cools off or at least the air conditioning stays on down there in Texas not till December all right we'll see about fabulous alright see you know