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how's it going guys mark % are here with TechnoBuffalo and as you guys know I'm huge into the democratization of the smartphone market and we're very lucky today to have a handful of guests from none other than next bit if you've been paying attention to the site been paying attention to the Internet you might have seen the next bit Robin hit the web's and we're talking with some of the folks on the team you should see them right here right now why don't you go ahead and reduce yourselves sure hi I'm Tom and I'm the CEO co-founder of next it I'm Mike CTO and co-founder awesome it's a pleasure to have you guys here and I figure we'll just get right into it we've we barely heard anything but just rumblings before the Kickstarter hit I know I saw my buddy Ryan block tweet something about the phone that was the first that I had heard about it pretty impressive you guys were able to keep it under wraps for quite that long but since we don't really know all that much about you guys are about the company why don't we just start there once you tell us about where next bit started and how you guys all wind up working together where you come from sure so Mike and I have actually been working together for almost eight years now I want to say seven years we actually met on the Android team at Google back around 2007 and so we we were we work together on Android through summer of 2010 so that was like after droid after Mexico on and everything and then left we had a startup called 3lm that we was also doing Android stuff did that for a while that I ended up at Motorola and Google bought Motorola so ended up back at Google and then then we started next bit yeah awesome so you started a next bit how what was that process like what was the impetus for trying to create something like the Robin we essentially which came first next bit or the Robin next bit and it's actually Mike's original concept you want to talk a little bit about kind of the beginning of the company in the business yeah so this is maybe around 2000 I want to say 2011 or 2012 somewhere in that timeframe that I became really addicted to Angry Birds I just got really obsessed with that game being a a gadget enthusiast myself I love to upgrade the latest and greatest devices and I actually found it very frustrating I couldn't understand why why would I upgrade to a new phone I lost all my levels I actually found myself not wanting to upgrade to the latest and greatest phones and I started thinking more like you know looking at the physical realities of where technology is today connectivity you know the processing power of my devices the cloud all that I could it didn't seem I felt like at least from the software perspective all this should be possible right and really what if he kind of took the cloud and really embedded it into the OS itself to provide a more seamless experience not just for transitioning between your devices but in a way you can even exceed the specs of your device like you should never have to worry about running out of space on your phone I found it kind of silly that every time I went to go take a video or a picture and my phone was out of space I would get this error message and I had you know hundreds of gigs and Dropbox I had one terabyte of space and Google Drive and I had all this cloud storage but I was still running into storage problems and this kind of you know really led us to the next bit so that sounds I mean that makes perfect sense to me let's talk about the software for just a minute you know you decided this is a solution that you wanted to come up with a problem that you wanted to solve what was your approach in terms of hitting Android trying to take that cutting out the things you didn't need and sticking stuff that you needed inside of it what was your approach in terms of how much you wanted to change how close to stock you wanted to stay and things of that nature yeah I mean coming from Android team we didn't really want to change anything more than we really needed to right so I think part of that is having that understanding of of the system I think you know shift 1.0 and worked on it for numerous years so in terms of a technology approach you really wanted to focus on where the key areas that we want to just improve upon to enable this type of experience and let's just tackle that other areas let's leave it as stock as possible because there's a lot of great stuff that the team in Mountain View has worked on people contributed to the open source project we should leverage that like there's no reason to reinvent the wheel yeah stick with what works that makes perfect sense so what can we kind of expect to see in terms of the changes that you have made what's what's kind of like the biggest departure that we're gonna find in the Robin OS is that is there a name by the way no we haven't actually named the us it really is it's Android with with some modifications and enhancements and what we call smart storage right so what you know the modifications we make there we like to call them surgical modifications right in the framework we try and touch as little as possible and we try and leave the experience as tough as possible but there is a different paradigm here right so the way you know Mike was talking about you know there's cloud storage today you have Dropbox you have Google Drive you have a bunch of solutions but they don't actually fundamentally solve the problem of not having you run out of space on your phone because they're essentially desktop Aero solutions right these are all you know concepts or products that got developed to solve desktop time solutions of like and I have a file on my work PC I want to access it on my home laptop when I'm watching a movie or something like that there weren't really built email with mobile in mind start with them so smart storage for us it's kind of like the next generation it's like okay on a mobile phone I'm not thinking about well I have a class system with folders and directory and I'm going to go in and open a folder that's gonna be my folder of things that I can also see in my other you know my PC or things like that right on phones you have apps you have multimedia like pictures and videos that you tape right and you run out of space right and so how do we solve that problem right and so all of the the tweaks that we've made they're either you know operating system you know framework level changes that enable hooks or their UI changes that let you understand that a you know in the beginning of using your phone it's just like the normal phone eventually you're gonna run out of space like everybody does on their phones at that point it's gonna be a little bit different because we're going to intelligently move things off of your phone that we think you don't need anymore for example will downsample hold photos actually have screen resolution on the device but the full res will be in the cloud or will make will take off apks that will leave a shadow down icon you'll see that in the demo and a little bit later right where it's kind of grayed out and so the experience we're trying to say is have this storage locker in the cloud that you move things to and from you just have your phone and when you're offline or you're not trying to access the cloud or anything your phone is your 32 gigs of local and anything that's on it one or whatever you do but when you're online your phone is actually now 100 gigabyte phone and it's all there if you want to access it right so you can always tap on a great icon and the app will be there and you don't lose any progress in your state you don't lose your and your brave levels you don't have to log back into any app right it's all there right and so that's this required a little bit of a different UI to just make that really clear so that's essentially all the changes we've made is around that so what is that what what is the number of like if you had just one sentence to tell a potential backer what the number one biggest change to the UI is what is that one big difference that we're gonna notice launcher yeah we have a chest on launcher which is kind of an you'll see that it just helped us convey when an app is moved to the cloud and when it's downloading cool so how is that gonna work with other you know some of the big customization features of Android in terms of being able to install something like Nova Launcher for example good question yeah we're actually we a little work with Nova Launcher we have a scheme that worked with that too we have escaped or third-party so third-party launchers are okay and and you can still use our smart storage and you'll still see the shadow icons in addition we've got a little bit further one of course everything we do on the phone is optional right you don't have to if you don't want so we think it'll once you're under Spacely you know trust me you want it but alright you may you may not want a friend that's fine but to you know what you might not want anything we've done but it you know we render enthusiasts we like you know the spirit that we did Android and originally you know of this open source people doing what they want so we've actually unlocked the bootloader on our device right so when it shipped it'll shoot Blanc with loader and we're going to honor the warranty for people even if they flash other roms on our we're not gonna so right now every manufacturer even without mccullars little void your warranty if you flash something else on the phone cause you might break it for us we're gonna honor that right because Mike's a hard worker he pawns all those devices you actually been an easter egg back in the droid you put an easter egg yeah I snuck in an overclock feature in the original Motorola Droid the very last minute I loved it first of all I loved that phone second that's awesome third you you can'tyou leapfrogged me that was actually a question that I had for a little bit later on so why don't we just tackle that right now really quickly I was just kind of curious you know what's your thinking in terms of selling the device with the bootloader unlock like obviously I hear that end of in terms of the users being able to do what they want with the devices where Android enthusiasts I get it but it kind of feels like that's a little bit of a bummer to not have what you guys are building at least a bummer for you guys well you guys are building that really makes it a differentiator so kind of what is your your perspective on that and kind of that leads into the next question which is do you guys have any plans to bring this kind of functionality to maybe a rom of your own or anything that might breach devices other than the Robin sure yeah I'm taking the first part so it's weird right we when we did this we really wanted to make sure every decision we made we can answer whether is this what's best for the user right like and it sounds cheesy and corporate but it's really not right it's really where it comes from where we come from and so you know we're doing this phone we're really enthusiastic about doing a phone like this direct-to-consumer right so we're not going through carriers right we're going direct to the end-user and it's tough it's really hard right it's hard cell phone people can't go in a store and touch and feel and all that but the benefits are really big right one you can get a device out much faster if you're not going through carriers - it's cheaper it's cheaper in multiple levels and so we can actually sell it at a cheaper price right so you say you as a user save 100 plus dollars just because of consultants you directly and three we can make it any way we want to there's no blow there's no 34 apps that you have to pre install from the carrier there's no you can't have this feature because it you know maybe it's a boy feature or whatever like there's nothing cut right and so we're like this this is empowering us through this business model empowers us to really make a device for the customer when you know we so when our last times been acquired by Motorola and we were there it was really weird for us cuz we first joined and we sent a lot of meetings where they said you know well the customer wants this and the customer wants that and I'm like why would why don't people want that and I'm thinking I wanted to realize that when they say customer they mean carriers right they're mean like oh you know the carrier once I've been a want boy or you know I mean it's like like oh okay that's what they mean right it's real like no no we're gonna be different we're gonna be a hundred percent about just making the product so we really want to be like this what's best and we know like we think our features are awesome we want people to use them but it's your phone like what it's just silly like do whatever you want when your phone man like you pay for it it's yours I don't want to have a same what you do in your phone yeah so it just comes in that philosophy of like is this what's best for the user we will but the answer the second part I think you know look it's it's right now we build the software off of AOSP and that's what we're shipping on the devices I think as the team grows over time and there's popular mods out there we'd love to see if we have resources to become maintainer ourselves of our builds you know for this hardware but we don't have any current plans unfortunate to bring our software to other devices that's just a whole you know a whole other company just do that simple right now it makes perfect sense well I would love to hear a little bit more about that software it Mike if you could speak just a little bit - you know obviously I don't want you guys to to spill a jar of your secret sauce but if you could give me a little bit of insight into kind of how you guys know which devices I'm not using or is it something quite so simple as looking and seeing when the last time it was used was or you guys doing something a little bit more intense than that yeah well if you'd like we can jump into a little software demo and I can also talk about about how the software works while we're doing that I I think I would I think I would very much enjoy that and I think our viewers would enjoy that too let's let's jump into that so I'm gonna switch the camera so you're seeing android 5.1 5.1.1 lollipop here and we are working on the port to em already so due to hardware schedule ring we're anticipating at the first batch will ship with lollipop and those users should expect an update to follow in just weeks and then the rest will ship with that so you're going to see the the launcher here here on my apps I've been using my phone for several months about eight months or so and running out of space I will simply swipe to my panels here and you're going to notice the screen looks a little bit different for some apps you're going to notice Spotify Ted and Skype I'll show you here are a little bit grayed out and this is what we call a shadow icon so what actually happened is because my phone was running out of space my phone intelligently adapts to me as the user so it actually recognizes what are my favorite apps where the apps I'm using when I'm using them and when I run out of space it can actually free up space for me right then and there so let's just say that today you know because I haven't used Spotify in eight months I'm more of a Pandora user myself but you're telling me there's a great promotion on Spotify we need to check it out I can simply tap on Spotify here and you'll see the download progress bar kick in and you're also see the color of the icons start to fade in as we gently installing now as the user we always want to come back to control for the user what's best for the user is calm trying to point it out so we always give you the option if you click this little fat button here we always give you the option to pin your apps so even if I haven't used Spotify and nine or ten months I can still pin the application to my device so if I'm running out of space we'll make sure that app is always there and if I'm ever curious which apps are actually in the cloud or not I can click on this little cloud icon here and we can see these are my apps in the cloud but let's go back to Spotify and let's launch it and you're going to notice that was Spotify I didn't have to type in my username or password again I was literally able to exactly what I loved off eight months ago when I last used it so that's the experience when you want to pull that back down from the cloud the next thing I'm going to show you is I think we've all been in a scenario where we are either at a park at a concert you want to take a picture of video and your phone is full and you get that error message you're out of storage so we're going to take a video here to open my camera application and I will film a pretty boring video sorry this is I'm just gonna tilt it up here and we'll just keep it that's my favorite kind of video I love ya so I'll talk a little bit a little bit about how the check works while I'm just filming this 30-second video so what happens is when your phone is plugged in and when you're connected to Wi-Fi we will back up your apps and your photos we actually synchronize those to the cloud so we do this in particular because we want to make sure that we don't impact both your your data plan as well as your battery life and once we back these up the phone actually knows now which apps have been synchronized to the cloud so when you're running out of space whether you're in a tunnel or an airplane it can actually make a very intelligent decision based off of your usage patterns and the last time in sync with the cloud so when it's actually freeing up the state it doesn't need to upload data at that moment in time right seems like it's it's not unlike throwing something into your trash if you use a Mac you're essentially marking it for deletion once you've actually emptied your trash right right so I just in my video and let's go back to the screen and we're gonna notice a couple more apps have been essentially auckland so you can also check this little notification here flappy birds and twitter we're off with and this is because I haven't played flappy birds in a while but I don't know yes sorry but I can always use the tap on this icon here to bring it back down and it's gonna come down a little to stall and this last bit I'm going to show you is how do I access my photos right so this convention we do we look at both photos and apps and when we decide to free up space or actually it's really when your phone decides it needs to free up space what will happen is it will actually generate a screen size thumbnail on your device and it will free up the original version in the cloud now because we're connected to Wi-Fi I can choose to attach the original image the same way as I've always done I just opened up to open up Gmail go to new attach file I can look at my recent and you'll notice this is the video I just film but here's a bunch of images that I have not looked at in a while and these have been uploaded and I can simply attach an image of this yellow car now what's going to happen is because I'm connected to Wi-Fi it will actually fetch the original image and embed it within Gmail and you'll notice that we didn't have to provide an SDK there was no additional work I didn't have to open up Dropbox or SugarSync find the image and share into Gmail I can just open up Gmail as I normally would attach the image if I were on my LTE connection or just away from Wi-Fi what will happens instead will prompt the user and say hey would you like to download three point nine megabytes and for some people maybe you're on an unlimited data plan or your company's paying for your data three point nine Meg's is fine and for others if you're on a two gigabyte t-mobile data plan maybe you don't want to use three point nine bags and you just want to use the locally cache version so we always come back and give control to the user when and how you want to use your data but it all comes back to you know having an intelligent device that really adapts itself for you they saw how you're using it that looks fantastic thank you so much for that quick look that's I believe that's not some that we've seen before the ability to attach an image so that's really cool that kind of leads into a handful of my next questions I mean one of them you kind of covers how quickly can I get something back from the cloud if I find that it's something that I need you basically just showed me in real time how long it would take my last question is it pertains to software is is really if you were speaking directly to a potential backer or someone who just picked up the device and and they stop and say to you you know like handful of my colleagues for example in the office have had brought this up what are what are you what's your position in terms of you know Asajj Inge the concerns of the folks who might say but well you know what if I can't get to it you know what what if I'm driving I'm on a road trip and and I don't have an internet connection and I can't get to the thing that I need and and now I'm just up a creek without a paddle yeah so it's interesting right and I mean people forget that this only kicks in when you're already run out of local storage or you're just about to right so you know the answer is well what do you do when your phone is out of storage now right you delete something and you know you you move it to the cloud or just delete it you're moving you're uninstall applications or you delete all multimedia to make space and you actually have to do it constantly right we did a bunch of research when we started about you know how big we're problem is that people run out of space and it's extremely common it happens pretty much to everybody is the answer and when it does it's not a one-time thing right you don't just like oh I ran out of space let me delete stuff okay now I'm good forever it's like no you know what another week or two you know if you're like me you have kids like another three hours later you're like okay I'm out of space again but it's constant yeah managing it so you know so one you know again at what we do is the better version it's the better alternative to well you have to lead a bunch of stuff manually and to remember like Mike said when you first buy your phone and start using it nothing about is different right I mean well it's an awesome phone and you're gonna feel really good about yourself but except for that another thing about it is different it's but it's just backing stuff up when it's when it's on Wi-Fi and connected to power right so you don't even necessarily notice that the LED lights on the back will kind of go off to let you know what's happening but but other than that and I think you know it's just a normal one you're using right and all this time though it is learning right it's learning like which apps you use it's learning about your behaviors things like that and then you know if if we do our job right by the time you're running out of 32 gigs let's say six months after you buy the phone you know what have a pretty good understanding of what it is we should keep you know some photos over 90 days let's say you have a bunch of those right we're not even deleting them completely we're just down sampling you're right so you'll still have screen reading it's only if you want to attach it or if you want to zoom in right that you'll need to download the full reps again right and so is that you know is that really going to be that big of a problem and if you're disappointed it's not you know I mean it's a very unusual use case where you'd be like oh my god I can't zoom in on this photo you know to see this this detail or things like that we just don't think anything like of course it's possible but where you think if we do our job right there shouldn't be a lot of the disappointing moments right and we'll get better over time like you know this is this is this is a learning for us as well about how people use the product and whether or not it's meeting the goals but we'll be super attentive we'll be engaging with the community to make sure that we're doing a good job and implementing any feedback that people have like as soon as we can great beautiful honest answer let's let's switch gears just for a minute here I just want to talk about the hardware for just a second I have a couple of questions pertaining to it you've been working with Foxconn for manufacturing awesome I take it you know a lot of your relationships from your previous positions helped out a lot there I just wanted to cover just a handful of little things that I know are our readers are gonna want to know our viewers are gonna want to know especially with respect to this specs so I just wanted to start with the processor the brains of the operation what made you guys go with the 808 obviously the 810 has gotten a little bit of flak lately for some heat issues and I know that you guys are trying to keep a cap on cost so I was just wondering kind of what was the impetus for going with the 808 specifically over maybe something a little bit cheaper even and what what kind of what compromises that that might have brought into the equation sure so yeah I mean oh my goodness specifics of the house and wives but this kind of goes back sorry against your label it's just what's best for the user and sort of also like what we want about right it's like it's kind of yeah look we started a company to make a phone we want to confirm that we want to use crap first and foremost so everything we did was kind of just the common sense of like okay here's the total package here's the display is the resolution you know here's the battery size look how do we make this the best total package and so you just kind of make the decision based on like those factors together like if there's features are not necessary you know but because they literally can't use them on display resolution we just don't do that ya know so 808 you know we looked at especially when we're designing the phone in the beginning we knew first we wanted 5 to 5.2 inch screen right we just wanted something that fit well in your hand and because of that then that sort of dictated well what's a screen resolution you want and we decided you know 1080p is actually a really great resolution for that we could go to qhd+ but the power impact was going to be significant we also knew we want to all-day battery life but we didn't want to phone that super thick and we wanted phenomenal performance that would provide us all these characteristics so the 808 when looking at all these things actually would be a really great choice plus it was actually very mature chipset at the time too so you can just get better power improvements better yield grades you know less chance of bugs all that stuff that's a really big point that I really want to point out not just for other folks in your positions other companies trying to make some big changes but for our readers that's one thing that a lot of folks don't think about you know that's that's something that also makes a lot of sense from an engineering perspective when you're talking about software you know what kind of language do you want to build with you know you want to build with something that has a little bit of staying power something that has a little bit of maturity behind it and I think going with an 808 is something that gives you guys a little bit of stability I think that's something that our viewers would be wise to think about and consider you know that that sets us up as users for the best possible experience you know there's something to be said for not being on the bleeding edge when appropriate so let's let's let's jump through just a little bit there's this kind of newish category I've been calling it the value category in my in my videos it's it's somewhere between you know and I feel like 1 plus started it with the 1+1 actually that's not even true and that the Nexus line started it so in reality you guys got exactly what you guys were after because now we're at the point where you can make a phone and sell it for a reasonable price off contract and unlocked so on that in that particular category you guys are just on the higher end of the spectrum in terms of MSRP so I was kind of curious if you guys had done a little bit of hands-on time with kind of the other devices that are in that particular category at the moment like the oneplus 2 the zenfone 2 and a handful of the other ones that are coming out or if you guys have got the chance to play with the Moto X pure just yet but I was curious how you guys feel the Robin stands up when you put it next to these other devices that are in the same price range yeah so we're actually yeah of course yes to everything less is rapid we're good yeah we'll just leave now no so so yes this is a continuation of what the Android team was doing with Nexus right bringing that director consumer to get the latest and fresh just like version of Android without any blows you know Apple to this price because there's no channel you know more than you have to go before the carriers or things like that and we're really happy to see that that category penticoff we think oneplus did a fantastic job right of really kind of scaling that Xiaomi obviously not in the US Europe or any other markets the rear-ending 2 but in their markets right fabulous job of building a massive actual following and tons of units under this model right of direct-to-consumer and kind of iterating on software quickly and not trying to drive a lot of market on the on the hardware right so we think it's absolutely a growing category and we think it's it's a it makes a lot of sense you know I think people underestimate you know I mean on the iPhone side of the house right on iOS there's there's two things that affect the price on iOS and that shouldn't or for this furniture on Android so one is your iOS is firmly established successfully as kind of a luxury grant right which has a premium right so you pay more for a Louis Vuitton bag or a Rolex watch or whatever it is right and that's fine and no Android or iam has really captured that except maybe Samsung and they spent a lot to do it but you know for the rest of the man it's never really been available and then - and iOS is not a competitive market right if you want to you have AI messages on iTunes and iCloud and use your apps there's one hardware vendor you go to and so just to mean economic sense that's so that's that's the monopoly market right it's like there's only one choice agree to go to write Android there's a lot of choices actually the point of Android right that's why it was open-source that's why we let allow only a mr. customer eyes it that's why you know we can do things like what we're doing now when Robin and smart storage right because of that it's open market pricing right so you know I think trying to match prices and saying well high-end phone should be $800 for that's what Apple charges it's kind of always been the wrong strategy right for the your hands just because it's possible for Apple to be bet doesn't this really mean android games can or shouldn't do that right it's not I think what you're seeing when the oneplus and Xiaomi and what we're trying to do is just a little bit more honesty like you know hey you know this is we're not trying to pad a lot of margin into this we just we need to like get the lights on and then I get things going but beyond that like this is pretty much as cheap as we can make it like you know and and you know I think that honesty more than the price point itself is actually the refreshing part for consumers you know so there's kind of a lot it's just we can talk about everybody adds they do a process you know it's like it's expensive right we have a fingerprint sensor we have NFC USB type-c you know dual front-facing speakers with two lamps like you know you can be like this is why the phone is premium phone that's why it's not like under you know under 300 rights in the three to four hour band which we think all these phones kind of stand that the high end of the phones is and should be right and we think among them you know we've got a pretty fresh design that hopefully people like we've I think we checked all the boxes in terms of specs right getting what they're in for and NFC and USB and you know everything else quality camera everything that we've kind of invested in so we think we check on the boxes - to me able to be in that that price range but we also think we stand out with the design with some of the choices we made and with the software obviously more than anything oh don't do that to me don't do that to me no III gotta say you guys did a phenomenal job in terms of the the industrial design I think that the phone looks gorgeous I think that the color options are great and I really like it's been a while since I've seen like I mentioned Ryan it's been a while since I've seen he and Peter get get really excited about something and I've known Ryan for quite a long time and and he's he's a he's a tough guy to please much well he's a tough guy to please so my last question as it pertains to Hardware specifically is where you guys feel you made the biggest compromise to achieve that particular price point like obviously you know and and I got to say to the the honesty aspect is so refreshing you know it's something that like you said I think is becoming more and more common and and that's important I think that's what we're seeing right now it's one of the things that we try really hard to do here at TechnoBuffalo and we try and be human ultimately at the end of the day we're just people using phones and you guys want to make the best one you can make so like I said where did you guys have to make the biggest compromise to hit this price point I think the biggest compromise honestly was mostly for the design when when it was really engineering engineering and design we're trying to figure out how can we build it terms of price point although I kind of think was there something that we were really really concerned about I need to be honest I think there wasn't anything specific we were like no we can't have that that's too expensive we really did make the phone we wanted to make right and come hell or high water we're gonna sell it in that price band I think the only compromises we have to make or things were kind of decisions we have to weigh against each other a lot of it had to do with thickness right so yes people want removable batteries we totally know that you know as a thing but you know we're wireless charging right was a big feature that you know people ask that sometimes but you know those things just what the current design wouldn't be possible without having a bunch of thickness to the phone then I think a lot of you know any confident remarks we made where around this but to be honest we wouldn't have made them sorry guys if we thought that was you know like worth it you for the phone overall or actually think when you balance everything out including how it looks right at the end of the day because you do want you want a phone that you kind of just think it looks awesome right you know I you know I think that's at the end of the day you have to make that trade-off a little bit right and so we did that on this side of things I would say right earlier just keeping the overall shape and design you know I'll tell you a certain that we have a tone you know when we really had this for example we had a really hard to pay about fingerprint sensor because at the time when we started it was only available on the back or front right and it really just wasn't comfortable with us because we knew fingerprint sensor was going to be important you know especially we have it and then if she said for Android and stuff but it just didn't really fit with the design really well right like if you had in the bottom we have to remove a second speaker we have to long gate the phone on the back of just kind of stick out and what's really weird it was really hard for us to decide what to do and we've kind of said you know what we just don't think it's it's it's important enough like it's important but maybe we should do it luckily we we kind of pushed on the vendors and they they had the side thing that they were working on right and we took a look at that and we're like oh my god you put it on the side right and then we thought about I'm like oh it's just where you already have your hand like that's perfect like you take out your phone that's where your finger already yes yes that's freaking awesome right so you know we kind of pretty so like the actual that this technology came out just in time to be built into the device and now it's it agree with the power button so it's literally like where your finger already goes to all the time on your phone you know it'll just be that's where the fingerprint is you just mean it's not a swipe you just hold it you just have to hold your finger there right breath education right and said oh I'm sorry that's the Greek on the side yeah yes that's the fingerprint sensor slash power button correct so these are awesome units that you're seeing so there's still early prototypes they're functional and this is the power button and fingerprint sensor any yeah gorgeous and I gotta be honest man I mean I'm not crazy about Fitness I would much rather have a slightly thicker phone and have all the features that I want I mean like we look at the note 5 you know we've got giant devices in our pockets I don't think an extra millimeter or two it's gonna kill us if we get it to do what we need it to do awesome so I just have one more kind of open or open-ended question for you guys that I really wanted you guys to kind of take and run with I just want you to imagine for a minute that I or a viewer is a potential backer and you have one thing that a potential backer needs to know about this device or about the company what's that one thing that you tell them what's the most important thing that a potential backer needs to know about next fit and the Robin and I think it's it's actually different right I think that's the bottom line I think in a sea of sameness and boring and and just just general phone fatigue right I have this joke internally when a new phone comes up and I like because people email us you know like our investors oh my god have you seen this phone and you're playing yeah why ap she's yet another Android phone you know like yeah it's not like this is why we can do it because it is easier than ever right to actually make a phone and it's become like you call them democracy that's a hard word you know what you said oh oh it is a hard word I can tell you firsthand that shooting the word democratization on video is not easy authorization of smartphones that you mentioned right it's true and that's good and bad right the good is it looks a lot of people try a lot of different stuff which is great the bad is you know there could be a lot of bad product that there right a lot there's just a lot of meat soonest and this is not a me-too product from from everything from the hardware the colors the you know the kind of the features and of course the software right and it's just the beginning on the software to rate this storage is our launch feature we're gonna actually be doing a lot of other stuff later on and part of that will actually be engaging with the community you'll see towards the end of the Kickstarter as well as after kind of help you guys set the road map for us but we really want to you know kind of communicate engage with community but we have a lot of ideas we don't want to do anything that's just an iteration we anything it's a little feature we only want to do things that will actually help you but I actually solve a problem and that's like a big change right something positive right I mean the changing like the UI UI interaction I mean like something that actually functionally works different like how we we've changed storage around right of storage around stone and that's might take enough you you know I think I guess my thing I would say is to potential backers I mean Bacchus if you just believe in our principles and where the company is going that a new phone company is trying to build just a super honest transparent phone to you but also just from a software side we want a phone that gets better over time right smart phones should get smarter they should be smarter than where they are today and part of the reason why we started this company why we're going to Kickstarter's we were kind of thinking well why wait right we we can do this we've you know when we're on the Android team originally we were underdogs in industry and I think so yeah we're kind of the underdogs again but with everyone's support we think we can we can help push the industry forward awesome awesome well there you have it guys next bits slogan think different or just do it I don't know you really want to know it's just our longer-term vision right it's you on any piece of glass right what we want to do is eventually we think should be able to authenticate to any smart device and just have your stuff there for you but that's a longer conversation so that's true we have actual internal like RonRon that we say every day is that don't be stupid so that is actually a company mother and generally for all our employees all the time like remember what's our motto don't be stupid I'm a minute if that's okay with you guys I'm gonna go ahead and adopt that as my motto as well great awesome thank you guys so much for joining us I hope this has 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