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uh and welcome to episode 9 of the TechnoBuffalo show as always I'm your three house for this week Shaun ani editor-in-chief of the site I'm joined by executive editor mobile Todd Hazleton everybody and executive editor of gaming Joey the ancient fear davidson was a mouthful of fruit snacks ya got these hablo and rolling on Dora the Explorer fruit snacks right now okay so long as you're up front about the factor Dora the Explorer I what I had some left I'd even show you they were like you know like normal fruit snacks come in all different colors these were just like different shades of pink I have a three-year-old all right and i also love fruit snacks yeah same here don't judge me so on this week's show we're still gonna go with the original topics but of course there's also been some news that we will get to hear a little bit that has a major impact on the show but first off we're going to be discussing 4k and if it's ever actually going to take off and yeah i gotta say this when I was at CES this year i was looking at all these gorgeous 4k televisions and then i walked around with ashley Esqueda and she showed me the 8k television and i was like but good but what ninety-nine point nine percent of people don't even have 4k yet can you Sean was there a perceivable difference between 4k and AK like a like a genuinely evil difference there actually was there actually was about it the 8k I got as close to the screen as I could I mean I was like millimeters away from that screen I still could not see pixels wow that's preacher as cool as that sounds I think this is going to be the the direction for today's topic um what what devices are out a take a right now none you are what I mean sony I wrote a story last week about like Sony's financial troubles and just how their the PlayStation line is doing awesome Todd correct me if I'm wrong but the mobile line is doing okay yeah it's coming back a little bit yeah their pc line is in the can and they're actually selling it their physical media production line that blu-ray line is in the can they can't they can't sell it because it's just not even worth anything anymore and their television line they decided back in February to just say screw it we're going high-end TVs for kak here we come but the PlayStation 4 arguably Sony's like biggest and most successful product right now does an output to 4k like if it's Thompson 1080p so like why I mean it I believe that that they're it outputs digital video to 4k but like all the games that people are buying it for they're not in there stopping at 1080p like why are we getting excited about 4k right now i'm with you i still can't even get excited about it but i understand there's excitement around seeing you know new format new TV shows are coming out in 4k and like it sounds awesome sounds futuristic but for me I don't even I honestly don't care like 1080p is good enough for me and I think the jump to 1080p was huge and and now on my ass you know I feel like I'm like way down in price I'm talking a couple years from now I really not for me you guys have seen 4k on a show floor environment I have not because no game outputs to it right now that I've seen it at a show I'm sure that there are some pc games obviously they do but this stuff on the show floor is by and large either console or running on a pc at like a 1080p ish visual mmm is it is it something am I gonna if I get a 4k TV tomorrow okay and i have my couches like you know the standard 10 feet away or whatever am I gonna be able to sit here and watch TV and think man that looks amazing no not unless it's 4k content right listen lasam wrong Sean yeah and here's the thing what a lot of people don't know and I actually did not know this until I went to the sharp presentation at CES this year if you hook up a 1080p only source to a 4k television a lot of them it is not compatible mm-hmm now sharp released three new lines of televisions this year and I think it was the aquos q+ line is their middle tier and it's actually a 2k television that up scales to 4k and is like 4k ready and can still play 1080p you know content and the thing was that it's only slightly more expensive than a regular 1080p television at this time that means that arguably a good a good purchase exactly exactly look for me but you know like you were saying Todd I mean the leap from 480p to 1080p was a world of difference hmm and while 4k is crisp and clear and gorgeous it's not as discernible of a leap as that leap was yeah this is this is the law of diminishing returns that we see happening in gaming all the time the difference between the xbox 360 and the xbox one in the PlayStation 3 in the playstation 4 compared to the difference between the xbox and xbox 360 is slimmer mmm Super Nintendo next to the nes is gigantic but then the nes next to the gamecube starts to narrow the gamecube next to the wii starts to narrow again and wii u it narrows again that that diminishing returns factor applies more to the visual nature of technology than our anything i can think of i mean it's it's we're getting to a point now where we're starting to improve subtleties and nuances and i don't know if that is enough to encourage most consumers to cough an extra 5k up for a television right and you know it's funny when i look at the older tvs today and i'm talking just like 34 years old the first thing I notice is the change in the bezels and stuff and how thick and they used to be and that to me is a bigger improvement that we've come to these thinner TVs with thinner bezels then you know the pixels on the display sure I think it just looks better in a living room and everybody agree with that oh yeah I mean some of the televisions I saw at CES this year I mean the bezels on the side and the top are so narrow that there is it's like gone yeah they're almost gone and so it's gotten to the point where it is like a floating picture mm-hmm you know a you could be happy to hang that on the wall in your house but again I don't think the difference between 4k and 1080p is going to be make that much of a difference I I do agree sheet i think it's the physical design the televisions that's making the bigger difference right now yeah and I think that's what kind of takes your breath away at CES even you're walking yes they're 4k TVs but they're also like 82 inches and you're like whoa you know this is cool and it looks amazing because it's so thin and all that so it's this whole package I think that's really compelling to me maybe not so much the actual panel I think what we're seeing right now and what I think has me kind of wary of 4k is the same thing that had me wary of smart TVs and 3d TVs and everything else TV manufacturers are starting to struggle to come up with ways to sell you televisions right if if you look at them that for the longest time the biggest way to sell a new TV was display size well then it became rear projection versus tube televisions then it became plasma vs rear projection and it became ltd vs. plasmid and there's this whole oil ed argument going on right now it it seems to me that that the higher end this stuff goes the less of a reason there is for consumers to switch and at a certain point and I'm not saying that this is the case with 4k but I am saying that at a certain point TV manufacturers are going to start to go into basically snake oil salesmen there the discernable difference between the products is going to be so negligible that it's just them trying to meet their bottom line not consumers trying to get the best picture that they need in their household yeah certainly it's like the price collusion thing to remember they were caught we were just reading about that the other day but Samsung and others had been caught you know trying to set the prices of TV's so that they were expensive I mean so that they could keep the prices up so everybody that we're selling expensive TVs even though the price is for them to make them were dropping right and yeah yeah I don't trust TV makers I don't either fan it away you the whole salesmanship of a television is wrong I mean like show floor mentality of televisions is that it's just crazy yeah it's okay I mean cars yeah the TV sections almost always the oh I don't get much time to go out on the show floor when we're at CES because of how busy we are but i always do make sure to walk through the TV pavilion because that's kind of my area of coverage and you you kinda have to like every 20 feet you have to pinch yourself and remind yourself that you are in a show for environment right that it will not look like this at home exactly exactly did perfectly yeah by sometimes paid two thousand dollars an hour to do it yeah but best i'll come out and do that for 200 bucks if you wanted to yeah exactly oh that whole mess a lot of questions about 4k so let's jump into a couple of these here we've got one from future game dev if 4k took off and 1080p became somewhat obsolete what would replace 4k in the future well I think we already kind of covered that it's there's already eight k sets they're not readily available but it's out there and at that point I mean it you have to wonder if the cameras would potentially burn off the actors face the amount of nation it was gathering the pitch is gonna change soon guys if my point with that whole bit about snake oil salesmen the pitches it has to change that they can't keep pitching consumers better picture because it my mother can't even tell the difference between 720p and 1080p how is she gonna know what the difference between 4k and 8k is I can't tell the difference between SD and HD I was at a restaurant once we looked up and just because it was a big screen TV she's like wow that looks so great I was like I with the sea and there isn't yeah there's a bit was an HTC vive with an SD feed coming Oh Oh my parents do it that's exactly the point every time I go see my parents I have to pick up the remote and unstretched the image every single time it's without fail I call it may just have like a four by three image stretched d hi mom hi dad where's the TV remote I just waiting here the pitch has to change maybe it's smart televisions maybe it's it's gonna go the way of tvs with with games in them I don't know but that picture quality isn't gonna be enough for too much longer yeah I know I totally agree I think that's why we're seeing so many television manufacturers now starting to add apps you know and making sure that like Netflix is built in hulu plus is built in amazon instant video and so on they're even giving them dedicated buttons on the remotes right you know so i think that's actually going to be the bigger deciding factor for a while hmm then what the resolution of the television is now I Todd this questions for you and I actually think we know they answer this one from sahal Raja will 4kb on tablets isn't I think a sous is doing one yeah I think we've heard from several people that what they're moving there I mean if we've heard they're going on phones they should appear on tablets too I have to ask again the big thing what's the point Todd yeah exactly the big thing is like sort of what's the point you know I think to me 1080p is pretty sharp I mean sharp enough I I have no qualms with what exists out there now and then you know with 4k you're going to be really drinking up the battery life so right now to me battery life is so much more important than displays I completely agree with that Todd the trade offer for upgrading a display to 4k in battery life alone is is a big enough mitigating factor for me to never buy that device yeah I don't know I feel like we're finally getting to the point where the batteries becoming better with the the current generation of flagships you know we have the Xperia Z 2 Z 2 if you live in the UK the galaxy s5 HTC One m8 all of them are doing fantastic jobs with battery life and then we're you put a new panel on it it's gonna be sharper then we're gonna lose the gains we've made like I don't I agree with you that's not worth it to me and I don't I personally and this is coming from someone who did audio-visual like tech and installation as a career for a while before i started writing about games on the internet um why used to tell clients like your until you get a big enough display you really don't need to worry about resolution and if you put a hit if you put a 4k display in this I don't really think it's gonna be worth the extra expense and loss of battery life I really don't yeah didn't they used to say like 720p didn't really matter until you hit 40 inches at the distance you sit on a couch or something there was yeah I mean there it's it's all about sighs and there's there's like a there's calculators on different websites but it's like you know okay so if your couch is six feet away from your television you would want a 32-inch television at 720p or whatever once you like above 40 inches that's when 1080p starts to become a bigger deal right now we're gonna go for k I mean unless at five inches like a foot right that's that's exactly my t wait like why yeah I guess your phone in your TV but I mean again I'm perfectly satisfied with 1080p on the phone so I don't know why we need to go further but ya know they can their reason a couple more questions related to 4k coming in here from Sasha Mahal do you think 4k will actually take off or go the way a 3d TV and the dinosaurs I on price if it comes down in price it'll take off because that's just you know and probably to what Joey was saying earlier we're gonna be marketed 4k till we bleed out of our eyeballs and that's why we're gonna buy 4k yeah and I think 3d was an anomaly in that nobody wanted to wear the stupid glasses hmm they've been trying to let 3d take off for decades yeah in cinema at home 3d was study or film history specifically your American film history and you'll find out that 3d movies was something that they did in the 50s and 60s because home television was killing theaters it was killing them so they came up with ways to get more people to say oh man the cinemas much better than my house it has 3d like that was one of those things it was a it was a pure and simple gimmick made up to drive people to movie theaters interesting that there's no there's there's no reason to have it at home I don't I don't 3d doesn't make movies better I'm sorry hurry I agree not make some annoying for me right the first 3d movie I saw in the theater was back in the 80s space hunter adventures in the Forbidden Zone how'd that go is the the only other 3d movie I've ever seen in the theater was a partially 3d movie and that was one of the nightmare on elm streets okay but I know I have not seen any of the 3d movies for since avatar I I didn't see avatar in 3d I'm effect I didn't see avatar two lives on cable but yeah I know I have zero interest in 3d at home I have zero interest in 3d at the theater 4k is there's a lot of people that say 4k is a gimmick and I can understand that line of logic but to me 3d is like the definition of gimmick yeah okay is is an upgrade that may not be perceivable to the general public but it's not a gimmick and the technology is actually there to make a pictures quality better 3d TV in my opinion is it's an unnecessary gimmick is my point yeah I think they're two slightly different beasts that we're talking about here and I can see where people would put them in the same category but I think you hit the nail on the head Joey 3d is very much a gimmick 4k is just a natural progression of the technology right yeah 3d whatever no interest in an omni and remember 3d phones awful and I guess Amazon's trying to do that again Ron had one yeah we get a bunch tits in as a profile picture on the site really yeah it's a picture of him holding out phone it's his 3d I think it was three de veau that's awesome future game dev asks will 4k ever be as fordable as 1080p probably yes yeah it has to be yeah yeah it with any new technology they have to get to a tipping point with the price where you know they've got enough consumers purchasing it so and I think 4k i mean the the prices of 4k televisions have dropped drastically even in the past 12 months yeah like I remember when LCD computer monitors were coming out they were like a grand for this 13-inch with no viewing angles and now you spend less than that for 50 inch TV at best buy you know so yeah no idea if you look at what flat panel monitors have done but that's a perfect example of how technology hits a tipping point and then it gets affordable for everybody you just need those first few suckers too yeah yeah I know I mean you're welcome earth and as much as I'm a sucker a lot of times for early adoption I have not purchased a 4k television because happen by haven't bought a new TV in like seven years now I got one through my wedding that's it your wife lets you put a TV on the registry my it's like a thing all of my college buddies whenever one of us gets married we buy each other TV because we know the wife isn't allow us to I wish my friends did that yeah it's been awesome there's been three of us so far so like our present everybody is going on the latest TV that you get first got an embarrassing lap dance also for me comes Tasha Mahal what should be the next big thing for TVs I think I already said that a little bit I think it's going to be making the the connectivity of the television that much easier be it Netflix Hulu Plus a 0 RR integration of apps I guess yes yeah that's what I would say apps are so clunky now that's why I think LG's probably doing something cool with webos we saw that yeah I mean their own on apps are horrible man yeah that's why we need they're having their own operating systems you know there's a couple power by Android I haven't used them in real life yet but i think you know when they have their dedicated processors in a real operating system that's where things should get smoother i play a good example is my samsung television at home has netflix built into it but my parents are more comfortable with using the roku even though i mean switching input and everything else and you know and and getting to the apps is built into the remote it's just so much clunkier than the roku interface yeah yeah it's the same i have friends that have a wii u a specific couple as a wii u and and they have a DVD player and a television and a bunch of other stuff that has netflix on it but just because of the UI of the wii u it's much easier for them to pick up and launch that and to do it inside the TV mmm it's crazy when TV manufacturers are selling televisions with this stuff built in but it's it's done so horribly that people are actively going out of their way to try something else like it's like I see that you have the application there but it's crap so I'm just gonna do it this yeah yeah yeah I mean Oh to the televisions in my house have netflix built in and both those televisions have Roku's connected to him yeah yeah mine has a built-in i don't think i've ever used it yes use the you know i would you I know you it's a hassle how many different times you can assign in netflix in your life yeah exactly exactly let's see here uh from saw Raja I'm sorry if I mispronounced your name well sharp only be the only one to have an AK TV or well other companies could be actually it wasn't sharp the headache a TV on the show floor i think it was samsung you kind of get lost when you get into a CD burner but die there there's going to be other companies with 8 k's but it's I fear it's going to be a good eight to ten years before we see him on the market at an even remotely consumer price hey it's gonna be quite a lot i wouldn't even be pondering aki just don't even worry about it using samsung and sharp both have them by the way miss thank you I've got it future game to have asked a question about can you find that one how long will take game makers to move to porque I think it's a good question i think it's the the the threshold therefore for a at 4 k's jump relies heavily on the game consoles and the issue is that right now pc game developers could probably put out a game in 4k tomorrow that could happen pcs have no yeah they have no high cap you know what I mean consoles the xbox one and playstation 4 just launched if they follow the life cycle of the playstation 3 and xbox 360 we are seven eight nine ten years away from home consoles that can natively output video games to 4k were seven to eight years from that that's wild to think about yeah cuz TVs are in it we're gonna have those TVs much sooner than that absolutely so yeah we'll see we'll see sports and 4k will see movies in 4k video games in 4k on televisions unless you've got a pc hooked up to your TV that's not gonna happen for a long time yeah yeah bring me if I'm wrong Sean do sports don't they still come in both of you guys through 720p a lot of them I have no idea I stream all my sports from the internet is not really was 42 1080p Murphy and even experimented with 3d sports but that doesn't last long haha everyone did I wonder if you take all of the money spent on trying to push 3d and like put it I don't know into the Social Security Fund how's that would would like retiree be well Shawn's gonna be okay but we're out of it yeah you're welcome Sean keep those raisins coven buds you have some more money laying around in social security now actually and the this is an interesting point I'll I've never spoken about this with either of you so I'll see oh here you know what is actually more important in sports broadcasting watching a sports broadcast on your television then the resolution frame rate now your refresh rate yeah yeah it there's a world of difference if you go out you go out on like bike frame find these cheap televisions are like oh wow it's a 55 inch television but it's a 60 Hertz refresh rate yeah it's going to look so bad watch anything that's fast moving like you say a soccer game 120 hurts will be ok but 240 hertz refresh is really what you want if you're going to be watching sports well so yeah bit me so i am going i'm actually i'm going to skip the second topic that we had about fake rumors because we're actually the 4k conversation ran a lot longer than I expected but there's another story that came out just today I hear ya that anybody that has listened to tech on the range well no this is a momentous day I mean even this show even the show there it hasn't been in quite as thick oh it's about to get thick Shawn but to Pokemon remakes for announced today whoa Empire no mega red yeah I'm still working on the last two or the last you know what I say yeah get your joy take it away what what does this mean for the world of Pokemon I don't know i mean this generation people really love i love groovy and sapphire in the Hoenn regions probably my favorite out of all the regions that have that we've done in Pokemon uh so what is it again Omega Ruby and alpha sapphire is that what is you know it's exciting I mean just based on the Box aren't alone it looks like we might be seeing mega evolutions the trailers and the press release say a new adventure in a in a new take on the Hoenn region so now here's my question having never played any of the the remakes now I know that x and y introduced some new tools in the game will those carry over to the remix or will these keep the same mechanics probably um typically with the remix they're not just they're not just point for point ports there they actually carry in the additions at the series admit if you play a lot of Pokemon you know that a lot of times the evolutions inside the game and they don't mean literally the Pokemon evolutions I mean the mechanic evolutions are typically really convenience based so being able to trade while you're anywhere in the game instead of having to jot back to a polka center like that was a big deal stuff like that will probably be pushed into these remakes so the convenience mechanic changes will still be there which is awesome there's a lot of stuff about the old pokemon games that make them not unplayable but harder to get through the many ones i have a question that actually goes into the top of we were going to talk about with leaks in the mobile space all of this stuff you know these days is just leaked months and months ahead of time with were there any leaks showing this because it seemed to me like a surprise today pretty much girls Nintendo does it do this you know Nintendo's another company they're an iron trap man um typically their stuff doesn't leak out in the state they wanted to or or something big happens though we leak down a little bit early but that was like the last time I that's really really happened this one they dropped hints in x and y that that we were going to see a ho and remake so you play the game and you have an intimate knowledge of ruby and sapphire and you'd be like oh man that's a ruby and sapphire reference and they referenced it again and again and again and then one npc was like you should color i should tell you about the region i'm from but you'll see it soon anyway and that was like a big like uh huh clearly something's gonna happen it's funny though and I wrote an article on this on the site did you know in mobile we don't have these kind of Joy's anymore you're like oh I haven't seen this because we've seen everything months before their nose yeah uh swai III still like Christmas the mobile industry they have that anymore no we don't we don't sucks I wondered Todd I I wonder if it's the fact that they're there are so many more hands i have to touch a physical III understand yo game cartridges have to be made or game discs have to be made but they don't have to be it made as far in advance but there there are so many more hands that have to touch say an iphone they go there there's the computer graphics guys that have to make the the schematics there's the people that have to make the molds there's you know the actual production line i wonder if it's just because there's so many more points of potential leak yeah i think it's the thing that I mean these days we even are seeing press images months at a time it's like had we seen these pokemon like the box art four months ago just wouldn't happen I think that the production happens is just so completely different and the triple a shooter team is 300 people and those 300 people are 300 people that are intimately working on the project from start to finish the team that works on a phone I mean you've got the R&D team you've got the the engineering team you've got the design team got like they're so marketing team the carrier stated ever yeah right so there's a lot more links along the chain that should and could break hmm yeah fortunate I don't see it fixing anytime soon either no do these plate do these places pay for for rumors and leaks as does that happen it does l yeah i'm not paying but they do place them for sure yeah i wrote an article on that once too i mean i've even worked at sites before we're sort of you have you know like a marketing person come in they're like hey no no i meant the other way around it what the site is the site page oh i think i was that used to happen a lot more of i'm not sure if it happens that much anymore I don't know we sure do rumors every so often a of somebody paying bounties but well you look at like the gizmodo thing where they paid for that iphone forever right yeah and just for the record TechnoBuffalo has never paid for a leak and never will pay for ya I'll don't you love it when you gotta know if you guys get emails this is kind of off-topic but kind of not where you get emails from people that are just like hey we have a story about our product that we'd like you to run and we'll pay you to run the story the other I'm just like no my god i actually have a folder in my gmail account my personal gmail camp from when I used to work at another site and I won't say the name of the folder on on the show because we tried to keep it clean oh boy uh starts with an A ends with an S uh its people over the years they've emailed me and God hey could you go back and edit that one post you didn't include our company and you know we could make it worth your while uh yeah yeah new no i i i i do reply to those people and tell them that what they are doing is completely and totally unethical I don't even reply I just yeah I've never replied I just deleting them yeah uh ya know that not good I mean after they take me to dinner and stuff you know and that's definitely a topic for another day that we should cover about you know we we do get questions about the fact that we sometimes have dinner with you know people from these companies but it does not influence what we write in any way shape or form you know it I think every writer has to be able to separate what is done in a friendly manner and you have to sit down talk with these people and you all have to eat sometimes you sit down and eat with them yeah yeah I don't think I've ever gone out to dinner with a PR person from gay that's just never happened yeah I it actually happened a lot when I was in the toy industry hi Bo they would take me a dinner I'm like I'm still gonna tell you what I think if you're lying socks yeah I actually did that once to accompany I won't say what company or what toilet it was and by the end of my show room tour the vice president ice met me at the end of the tour I see it already gotten back to him what I had said nice he's like can we fix it I was like no you're and it lasted 11 cycle of release and there was never a second series of that door line Wow yeah I called it right back anyway so let's go ahead and take some off topic questions we got a lot of different questions coming in here we've got one here from rockster 103 do you think the upcoming Apple iWatch might match the sales of the rest of the I Apple lineup not even by sales like because the different units sell different quantities across but I think I wrote an article about this too i think the iWatch if it exists and personally i think it does but I don't know if it exists i think it has the potential to bring wearables mainstream sure um because i think it's the brand and like so like I was saying and I think a lot of people like my family members that know that there are smart watches out there sort of like well is Apple going to do it to like what are they gonna do I think a lot of people whether they're fans of apple or not just want to see what Apple does and I think for that matter what Google does now with the Google where although I don't think Google where is something my mom would ask me about for example i think you know she's more inclined to ask about Apple but I know III I personally don't see it ever reaching the same level sales as phones just anyone's will anyone's wearables not even Apple in particular right exactly it's just it it's it's a it's a need-based market and I can I guarantee most of the market base doesn't need a wearable yep i'm with you i think that's right yeah yeah no i totally agree with you I think it'll do well I just I don't think it's ever going to be you know we're never going to hear tim cook on their earnings call going we moved 92 million i watches this quarter oh I bet we do because we did I didn't nobody really thought the ipad was gonna do that well right and then all of a sudden I mean I don't know but if it's really health focus and it does a really good job then people might be like whoa this is cool I don't know a question from Sasha biologist because I it made me chuckle hey Shawn what about all those gold bars that you get from google happen well you know I'm redoing part of my house right now and then you know I've got so many of them now then the closet behind you there yeah exactly that's what else the curtains left flashy what just a huge pile of Google and Apple gold bars that are sent to me on a weekly basis yeah I don't know what to do with them all anymore you think it's desk is made out of how do you i melted some of them into a dog dish classics dogs yes I am ah as well hey might as well yeah yeah because I look like I have piles of gold bars right right uh now here's an interesting question from Rockstar 103 how long do you think Apple keep going with the iphone until people stop buying it yeah I mean keep seeing record sales so is no reasonable to stop the brand it is it is synonymous with smartphone still in the in the casual consumer side of the industry yeah I I think somebody yo be at Samsung or LG or whatever they would have to come up with a phone that a was as impressive as the iphone in and I'm not slamming the phones from anybody else and be have a sketchy a name yeah so really we're the way that Apple either purposely rapid accidentally positioned themselves with their branding leading up to and and after the release the iphone is wild yeah that's wild yeah because I mean as much as like say i love my LG g2 you know I don't think you're ever going to hear anyone going around going oh and the g2's yeah it's it's it's not it it's catchy yeah you know yeah Apple is able to compete in samsung still beating by sales by a huge margin but Apple still compete on a global level with its you know arguably a single phone but a little family of phones versus Samsung's huge massive family of phones in Android millions of different phones out there which is really impressive to see ya know uh from future game dev have you heard anything about the next version of android yet not really yeah no I don't think we saw I mean we just saw the leaked sort of icon pack but we don't know how legitimate that was and then it addresses i guess a lot of bugs right which is what we've heard but i don't know i mean um we also wondering though do they mean four point four point three or highest in that assuming point where I've yeah but I think even for five is supposed to be sort of you know addressing bugs and some UI changes but I don't know google i/o is going to be really interesting i think especially with project ara I mean it's supposed to in the next version of android should support modular based smartphones too so I think there's going to be a lot to discuss and probably how it works with Android wear and all kinds of stuff yeah it it's going to be interesting and of course you know what will it be called from oh boy I'm going murder your name and I apologize in advance midi mubarak i think and i apologize if i got that wrong can Apple introduced I ouais I s8 without the iWatch in June second they could announce that i watch at WWDC but not ship it out kind of like the first iphone ipad and mac pro they were not available to ship until a couple of months after being announced yet to me I don't well at least according to several reports from people who are usually accurate on it WWDC is not going to have any new hardware the only reason it would make sense though is that they have a room full of all of their best developers there so why wouldn't you announce a new platform for them to work with but if they're know if you know the current rumors are saying there's not going to be an iWatch at WWDC it'll be I guess even iOS 8 and some of the new features coming there are going to be sort of pushed off later but hopefully we see health book and stuff yeah Joey re kind of addressed this one this one comes from Tehran Sorensen how long do you think the consoles will last yes if they follow the life cycles of the previous one six seven eight years I think I think the only console that's that's on the verge of getting replaced is the wii u yeah it's just not performing well not Nintendo even adjusted their financial expectations for the first time since the thing has been out they expect it will only sell 3.6 million this year that's a horrible horrible figure it's realistic yeah but it's horrible so I imagine that Dale probably put out a new console which might actually be really good for them everything about this a little bit and it's it's if Nintendo puts out a new console in the middle of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox one's life cycle they have a big chance of running away with it I don't know if it'll ever be able to compete with those others but that's where they are right now that's for the xbox one playstation 4 they just came out people are asking about when the next one's will come out that's crazy talk this relax a decade yeah basically a decade basically a decade and the hardware manufacturers want them to last as long as possible so it's in their interest to keep them around longer so what you were going over the Nintendo quarterly financials today and you did point out that one very interesting thing to me about how much money has been spent on R&D in the past fiscal year yeah jump from from from what was it 50 billion yen basically five hundred million dollars to over seven hundred million dollars and in a single year so there's Nintendo suddenly putting 200 million extra into R&D and that's a that's all money hopefully into multitasking on the three yes okay I would expect that that's all she wrote for the 3ds and Wii U that they're just kind of kind of live out the rest of their lives in retirement communities but they're both awesome systems the 3ds is it is a killer system it really is I just I have a feeling that they're going to wind up putting out new ones soon so now this question comes from s on e in Kirksville Missouri uh he would like to know uh does vanillish appear in their fire no unless they get uh unless they put become the current gen in there as well which they could for the previous gen gen 5 or 6 or something I don't know uh it's just not Pokemon conversation if we don't mention vanillish at least thanks bud hmm I'm here for you Joey I'm here for you I noticed uh we're going to take one last question here and here is a interesting one that applies to a lot of different fields uh this comes from the motion 91 what do you guys think about google glass parts costing only eighty dollars well i think there's a big whoa alright maybe maybe they do cost eighty dollars but that report didn't consider research and development costs two trues talking about and that's a lot of money does the production or anything like that i think sure we know parts in most electronics are super cheap that's how they make their money up usually and I believe it I don't know about some of the sense cheers like the the actual uh the class part that sits in front of your eyeball I don't know what that really costs but you can't you can't properly say it costs eighty dollars and not consider research and development which is always taking into a buildin terials right the research indulgent on something like Google glass aside from the marketing alone it has to be hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars yeah so that just because it costs eighty dollars for Joe Schmo to buy the parts for manufacturers doesn't mean that it costs eighty dollars to make exactly yeah I think it's like you were just saying Joey on Nintendo dropped over seven hundred million dollars on RD last year they've got to make that money up somewhere okay now $1,500 I don't think it's worth that either but I think that's what right now this is first gen it's not the consumer release and in the prices expect you to come down right yeah now but any electronic out there you have to consider that part of the price is made up by the manufacturing costs you of paying the factory the R&D costs the marketing costs there's a lot of cost ya got for context counts sorry yeah yeah I was just go saying google also said that they priced it at $1,500 partially to keep it from being too widely out there yeah because then everybody buys it and they're like this thing's bugging doesn't work it's crap and I'm never buying it again and then obviously they don't want that to happen either it's not supposed to be a consumer launched yet um but to put it in context the galaxy s5 parts i think we're like to 65 per unit and that includes the manufacturing and stuff like that so and i think the most expensive part is usually the display and on google glass obviously it doesn't really have a that kind of display but right so yeah and in samsung cells that for what like 600 bucks unlocked so you can see you around there alright so that's going to bring episode 9 at the TechnoBuffalo show to an end as always we appreciate you joining us as we also appreciate if you can go over to iTunes and rate and review the show that does exactly does actually help us actually was the word I was looking for you can also find us on the stitcher you can subscribe via RSS feed we're on pocket casts pretty much anywhere that you listen to podcast you can find the technical Buffalo show I've been Sean ani I'm the editor and she protecting a buffalo I've been joined by executive editor mobile Todd hazleton fabula and executive editor of gaming Joey Davidson thanks for watching we'll see you back here next week same time same place till then take it easy everyone bye bye