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and welcome to the 17th episode of the TechnoBuffalo show I'm I'm your three host for today Sean ani editor-in-chief of the site i'm joined by executive editor dormobile todd haselton everybody and executive editor of gaming joey davidson what's up guys how are you guys doing today yes yes yes yes yes I'm doing yes yes well that's the first time in several weeks that all three of us have been able to get together yeah that's right yeah man III and Google i/o and negotiations and riot vacations Todd how was your vacation man i haven't toast good it was good i did mostly fishing the entire time oh I wouldn't I went crabbing nice i love trivia is good man i worked ah but in november i'll go on vacation oh yeah there you go and next week i'm in irvine we haven't figured out how we're handling the show next week yet that's like what oh yeah yeah that's that's exactly what it is hey I actually have to like where normal people clothes go to the office go to the office yeah put on a hands and put on pants and interact with people and there's no sheets hanging there Oh God maybe I should just take the sheet with me and hang it up so I feel like I'm at home here at all exactly so this week we actually don't have a whole heck of a lot to discuss I'm sure we will think of some tangents as we go along but of course the big one is we published our review yesterday of the Samsung gear live the first android wear watch and Todd and I both bought the G watch from LG and yeah mines now here's some here's something telling for you I'm wearing the pebble the g luck and i just put on charger i put this on for the city to show ya wow that kind of bummed yeah I this I feel safe and saying this is one of my largest regret purchases of her whoa yeah it's not i mean i was and i wrote an editorial on this yesterday if anybody wants to read it on the site but basically i was under the impression that Android wear had or was going to soon have this ecosystem of apps just like pebble or kind of run alone on the watch but really they're android apps with built in android wear support and there's there's no consistency to how they work so you go from one application all the cooks i think it's called i kept saying it was all the recipes but you can send a recipe down under your watch now that's useful but then you go to an app like lyft and you're supposed to interact with it on the watch by saying like call me a ride but then it crashes if you're not in a lift market and you're not sure why you don't know what's going on and then there's eat24 where one would think you could say order food and that would launch but it doesn't and when you try to say start eat 24 that starts to command and that it pops up with a list of applications for me it would bring up be 24 and it's just it's just all over the place i don't even know how to use some of the applications and i think that was the biggest problem for me yeah I mean John you know mentioned it in his review that you know the the G the gear live has a button on the side which makes navigation a little bit easier you and I chose the G watch because of the larger battery right yeah the larger battery has done us a world of good we still have to charge every 12 hours or so exactly yeah you gotta keep it plugged in at night and then it'll get you through the day and then you've got to plug in it again otherwise you're not get well have you run into the situation yet where you do run out of power no no so that's good but I do you charge it every night so I'm getting through the day yes but when you do run out of power there's no way to turn it on but to put it in the cradle right back on the charger I read that and that's wild but at least I guess aren't charged are better than the samsung one which is awkward and I read reports about it didn't happen to argued it but I've read reports about the battery of the charging mechanism getting all that stuff and breaking just terrible well apparently on the G watch you can there on the back above the charging things there's the reset button you can use a paperclip and turned on that way but that's you know because I always have a paper straightened paper clip with me at all times funny enough I actually you carry a paper clip very frequently for swapping sim cards but that makes sense but yeah it's oh I Joey in you expressed a lot of interest in the Moto 360 now that we've had experience with Android where's that interest still there for you um well I think that the I really don't I hope I'm not speaking out of line here with you guys but I think that you are suffering from the early adopters curse vine hardware that is arguably very half-baked and you've bought into it when they're the third-party development is literally at it look at its lowest point like it will the third party app selection will never be as bad as it is right now that's such a great point and that's when you guys you guys generically not not you Todd that's what you guys started to decided that you needed to do your reviews when the user experience was at its worst right with that well I think we should revisit this I mean and we cattle futures you have something I mean it's it's what John and this is something that the the public doesn't know but but jon rettinger and and you Sean have talked to my department about reviewing the gaming consoles once every year because they do change and perhaps Android wear will deserve a second look in three months six months nine months a year right now it's like it's like reviewing a roller coaster on the uphill climb you know what I mean like they're not even really getting the full scope of the ride you've got the initial start now with that said we're not even on the uphill climb we're still in the load live yeah you've you forgetting a magic shoulder thing on yeah that's right so with that said you have quelled my interest in the Moto 360 at the onset I will not be in line at the beginning I am still incredibly interested in smartwatches if i look at the android that my phone had five years ago next to the android that my phone has today they're wildly different user experiences and I think that we expected that same level of Polish and and design and approach that we have on our phones I mean obviously with a different like way to interact with it and when we didn't get it we're disappointed as we should be it is disappointing and all the hands-on videos I've seen the way that they behave in sunlight is atrocious yeah yeah I mean all that stuff is making me go I'm gonna wait I'm not given up on it yet I know you guys aren't giving up on it yet but no the Moto 360 still has my attention I'm just not going to be in line to get it I have faith in the genre of product but I think that we've reviewed it too early we that the earth has reviewed it too early because it's just not this isn't these opinions they're not that useful yet you know what I mean mmhmm yeah I mean look at the pebble before when it first came out it was he a limited now you crying Jay would look Sean what would you give the pebble today versus what would you have given it's not a ten-point scale when it first launched when it very first launched I probably would get like a five or six and now I definitely give it an eight same and how many years are we talking about here Todd when what year did the pebble launch I don't know not that long ago right I mean I got mine probably a little over a year ago a year ago so right now that's the difference and improvement that is released in 2013 there you go so a small company like pebble brought their own device up three points for Shaun what do you think Google's gonna do you know I mean a lot and I think that's what I was I was trying to say in the editorial yesterday like it's certainly gonna take time because you look at the eppler I'm looking at the specs right now this thing has like a cpu I've never heard of 128 kilobytes of memory a sleepy you I've no it's like you're describing the stats of a printer right now right exactly and I'm just so this just goes to show and the pebble right now is super super powerful now the smart watches that we have the g watch from the gear live how Snapdragon 400 processors like Snapdragon 400 processor powers the desire 610 the Lumia 635 like all these smartphones so there's a lot of unused power I think there's a ton of unused power in the settings there you know what's going to change you know well you know and and it's a good analogy Joey about going back and looking at the game consoles a year down the road you know and you compare what was at the launch and say the xbox one on launch day compared to a year from now and it could change your opinion greatly it already has they already have with software updates Microsoft and Sony have both been crushing it Microsoft especially has been going every single month the xbox one from launch versus the one that we have today is already different yeah yeah exactly and and so I mean I'm not gonna sell off my my G watch I'm gonna keep it around I you know I but for right now I'm still gonna wear the pebble instead and the G watch will just you know whenever I hear there's a massive update i'll give it another look and see if my opinions change i just say this the these two watches have picked my interest for the pebble yeah that's a side effect i think that pebbles pretty excited about but you know and i have to say i mean when when we first saw the android wear launch at Google i/o I was like um you know poor pebble you know what's going to happen to them especially with the iWatch coming as well and I i have to agree to Joey I think it actually android wear ended up being a boost for pebble how many how many videos have you seen or videos pictures anything articles that have the Android wear devices that the g and the gear live right next to pebble and the screens are like this is the pebble you can read the number is here I need you can't see anything like you a lot with this and you can't with this yet I think yeah it's great advertising almost I mean it unintentional advertising right right I'm sure pebbles like yes no I it's an excellent point and you know I I'm definitely yo now I'm kind I've even went maybe I should get a pebble steel nail you know right that's a side effect of the G watch yeah it's yeah i mean the sunshine issue is unbelievable I mean I'm sorry I can only really use my watch inside yeah basically yeah yeah but that's insanity but you know it is why it is but I do think Android wear is going to Tim because it goes down the road I they like the Moto X nice considering how much power is in the G watch and in the gear live you know like you said Todd that it's running Snapdragon 400 processors that's a lot of untapped power it's a lot of untapped potential a you look at the number of Android wear a Android wear apps I'm using that loosely because they're not Android wear apps yet right you know there's there's going to be a lot of room for growth here and Joey you're one hundred percent right we're suffering from early adopter regret total yeah i'm i'm on for the roller coaster ride let's see where it goes now that being said I think there are some definite physical design issues exist I just want to go back to that roller coaster metaphor imagine if you're at all it goes just love the corpus and you're in you're the guy getting strapped it and there's a dude next to you going this sucks you guys right now this ride sucks it's right stuff we haven't even started oh I'm gonna go to that somewhere it's you know I am I may be going to Disneyland this weekend so i'll stand outside the hundred the line going this ride socks off I know we haven't even gotten in the scratching room yet this right socks funnier since is my all-time favorite right uh so Sasha mahalo to ask a question about hey sean how does your LG G water be your pebble and comparable still compete with the new android wear watches yes it can and do you know the fact that we're all discussing that maybe this respect thing that ever happened to pebble I think that does yeah they can bear is it's a really interesting side effect now all this being said do you guys think that you know on top will start with you you know does apple have enough time to learning lessons from Android we're not not saying that they were gonna have problems but do they have enough time to go whoa maybe we need to change this we have to wonder out the strategy's gonna go right are they gonna follow the strategy that pebble has done and sony has done and samsung has done we're on the watch itself you can go and launch these apps by tapping which I like a lot where are they gonna go voice only with some kind of Siri google now approach with what which is what you have with Android wear and you're supposed to use your voice a lot more often which I find less appealing I just want to tap around and get the sports scores or whatever you know and instead of asking so i think if apple's learning any lessons it should be to provide options and that's why the android wear mini i think the mini launcher i think i said it's called um it's an awesome third-party app for android wear and i think it's a must hat you can swipe from the corner of the screen and bring up all the apps and then it makes asked accessing stuff a little easier so a full-fledged sort of launcher would be ideal to and I which am I the only one that and maybe I am I just want to ask am I the only one who feels like a drunk slurring idiot every time he says ok Google now like no it's so weird it's like ok Google well on your on your phone cuz you've the Moto X ok Google now is the command to wake it up ah yeah I know what I'm most other greater idiots just ok Google I can't I can't even do it can get a bit ok you will that ok Google now like oh hey hey ok fools bad enough ok Google mouths when I was living with my friends I was on vacation with my friends last week and I kept unlocking my watch and if you say okay google it starts activating so people are yelling across the room like ok Google ok Google tryna Carson butts pictures of butts like pictures of buzz yeah I don't know I I think I mean we we really don't know what the interface is gonna be on the iWatch although yeah we've heard all these taylor and i watch you guys it's they're a tough question aight aight i am going to unequivocably say that is definitely in development hey I can't say for sure it's going to launch this fall but there is no question in my mind that is in development is is this horse going to run as fast as the unicorn we've heard about that's the question that I yeah I mean this thing is it's supposed to be the best thing in the world at this point so all right so like yeah I'd monitor every piece of your health I mean like every like how how tall that I grow today hey Sean my point is I hesitate getting excited about a product that doesn't exist and I don't I might exist internally at Apple I mean like it I don't know maybe I I totally agree and i'm i'm not trying to build up excitement around the iWatch but with everything that's gone on and with how Android wear has been received I'm just carry you know apples hired a gajillion people to work on this thing apparently uh someone says they were hold on ok will ok Google are we activating the phone yeah xbox on stop it do Eric know it's like that blasted Aaron Paul commercial that doesn't do anything to my xbox it doesn't mine either it might might connect sits right in front of the television right uh I I have to think that that if if Apple actually has an iWatch and that's that's a giant if from joey davidson the executive editor of gaming so don't call me an authority here because i'm not that's my point if Apple has an iWatch I wonder if they've been waiting for Android wear to kind of to roll off just to see like what the reception's been is it worth our time to put this out is there a market for this I maybe they're waiting for Google and everyone else to test the waters before jumping in themselves maybe or maybe they're gonna stick with phones because they're incredibly popular and profitable for them you know does apple need that need that watch market share do they even need it oh well it was clear for the taking I I do i draw the oh who was it was a Katy Huberty the other day predict yes 40 million yet 60 million units in the first year yeah okay for that i watch there is no way that's as many what was that that's as many iphones his apples all the first year so yeah no way none yeah she attributed to the halo effect aka the fanboy effect like all these Apple fans are gonna go out and buy it and that was at three hundred dollar price point to which I cited in the different stuff heels are in a different report Nielsen said what was it sixty four percent of wearable buyers think that the price range between two hundred three hundred dollars is already too expensive so and that's people who own wearables so you have to imagine they're probably not going to spend that much more and then you get a look at the people who already don't unwearable too expensive sorry had 300 i'l or 60 million units that's a lot I don't know yeah yeah and now it's the idea that 60 million was even Brandi too bad I'm just right well I mean people said tablets weren't going to be popular either and they said the ipad was an oversized ipod touch and you know I don't do I mean change this the market we all had regular phones and now we all have smartphones and I think a lot of ways if Apple does it better than somebody else or if Google does it better than then we'll start to see these become more mainstream products but you know right now it's obviously pretty what you keep oh yeah it's it's definitely a geek toy yeah so yeah I I don't know hey I think wearables do have a future I just I think we're in I I think we've got a lot of companies racing forward to have their foot in that door and they weren't ready to put their foot in that door maybe but with watches though to you face obstacles that he didn't face with smartphones right like i have my favorite watches one my wife bought me for my wedding so it has sentimental value so for a lot of reasons i might not buy other watches or where other watches and i think a lot of people might have that too they have a watch they got for retirement or other things and so you didn't face that in the smartphone industry or with the tablets because people didn't have sentimental value attached to things let alone a jewelry factor in and fashion and and you know a three-hundred-dollar watch in some circles we might make you look before because it's not a Rolex you know what i'm saying i do agree with you shot and i think that there's and there's also that that whole market gap of people that just literally don't want to have their stuff stolen from them right off their wrist yeah your people who live in cities are hesitant to use their cell phone on train sometimes cell phone smartphones on train sometimes so why rock a three-hundred-dollar watch that can be easily identified and yanked off your wrist I've run the picture one time on technobuffalo ages ago of a sign I saw in a neighborhood in London a couple years back it showed the silhouette of somebody walking down the street with an ipod and I like in a big puffy jacket staring at him and it was just on silhouettes it said they want your pod my application what are your youth issue warnings on stuff like rest of us yeah but just that always cuttin do so unless you'll be put they want your watch that exactly it's crazy but you know in New York on the subways back when the when the ipod was still coming out and super popular like they were born against the white earbuds because it sort of told every I remember that yeah every wasn't basically wearing those earbuds you were like signaling yourself as someone who had something expensive like an iPhone yeah right instead our sweet walkman yeah duly boy yeah bootleg earpods off of a um ebay for a dollar 49 right right I i I'm wearing fluorescent green earbuds I read that came with HTC and made oh the Harman Kardon ones no no no these aren't even though so I didn't find very good there too slick the court system oh it's all the art the deep discussions that we get in technology yeah I find this cord to be to stuff right morning is just not working for me I so oh good grief well moving on to some other questions I've come in uh here's one from Sasha Mahal about what are some features of Android wear that you like and wetter ones that you could do without it and what about features that you would like to see in a future update I I think Todd we're in agreement apps on the watch right right and then you get that with with the wear mini swipe mmm which I still need to download yeah it's cool but like other things to like fit is stupid because it's incorrect all the time like I can take sense from your students oh oh you have the pedometer it yeah thing is react if we want to get back into that car seat I know I know I'm very carefully how to cons that but it's just not my thing like I don't say like like take a note you know feed the dog like who does that you'd know but he does these things like they sounds so cool and when I guys when an engineer's on stage like take it a note you know no pick up milk but nobody touched that you forget the milk that's what you did you know yeah no I or you write it on these papers and I'm sorry it it does feel silly going ok Google yeah it does lets you think ok cool what what's that report from the police station this is Dick Tracy I'm on my way yeah right like hearing you show me my steps agenda set a timer start start stopwatch set alarm show alarms settings and start and like you have to dig into that menu to get to start to get to the apps unless you say start and then the name of t hat it's just so silly now it but like joey said Jodi wrote a report at Google i/o after Google i/o saying that Google's engineers are designing things for google it silly you don't wonder like there's something to that yeah yeah yeah did you consumer testing with this stuff no but I Joey's right you and I are the idiotic guides on the roller coaster going those Red Sox yeah I know it's true i mean i bought it the second it was available for google play right guilty as charged yeah and I'm excited to see where it goes up were just commenting and answering that question yeah i I'm not Shaun just to kind of derail the conversation someone on YouTube is asking us to talk about Apple and IBM oh yeah that's interesting stuff that broke what I don't know 4 30 yesterday do you know that's on Vega be sweet this happened after I was off the clock so I don't even know anything about it I'm no well no yes a very interesting so yeah we see that sort of the exclusive interview with Tim Cook I just happen to have a TV on we were watching Yahoo earnings came out and so they're talking about this new partnership between IBM and apple and Tim Cook was saying it was a natural fit how you've been working with IBM for a couple years and now it's bright time suits and it's it's apple's big step into the enterprise and as a result i mean it looks it looks like a fire across a shot across BlackBerry's bad right because BlackBerry's bits were enterprise King along with Microsoft colada boys and now so I can see what are they trying to do with IBM though what's what's how IBM is going to provide a special suite of applications built like security and business applications and it's also going to sell these devices directly to its customers provide a back-end a device management solutions which is similar to what EES is blackberry enterprise server would that allow so really this is like apples huge step into the enterprise we're like companies instead of a lot of companies already have BYOD initiatives where you bring your own device to work it could be an iphone or android or whatever but there are still lots of companies it's still my brother works for a bank for example they still issue BlackBerry's so now this is potential for IBM to go to its customers who might already be these banks and say hey we have the iphones in Selma to directly will get guys all set up in kind of a bad way which i think is huge that is this apples attempt to plant a flag in the ground and maybe maybe claim some of that enterprise workspace from Microsoft as well oh yeah yeah and the thing is Apple's has said in Tim Cook clarify this yesterday too it's already in like nine percent of the forge global fortune 500 company so it's already there but this is a huge step to sort of deploy its devices including iPads to the enterprise mmm and the Magnificent result blackberry stocks down an apple and IBM her up in it it was yeah is gonna be on the squeeze from this big time yeah I'm not very well now it's down eight point one percent Todd that's scamming that's scary for them you have problem two of the market leaders getting together and literally saying blackberry your duns oh well you know they things go on sir did you see Todd yesterday how many people posted the old picture of Steve Jobs standing under the IBM logo and flipping it off no really not again yeah it's an old picture because when he first started apple with Wozniak that was his big thing he did I know I'd the IBM in the early 90s late 80s is very different than the IBM of today me idea back then made computers like consumer computers yeah you know I told that to lenovo ya know it's a completely different company now and so yeah I mean yes everyone had their their good chuckles out of posting that picture but that's like comparing apples to oranges literally and it's just two completely different worlds and mindsets at that time yeah but this is a huge move for Apple you know because Apple to this point has been viewed as a consumer company right and you know be 1x rice like exactly and even when I tried to see like our devices are in the enterprise because they are it's sort of always came back well you know but still there's other options and now a sort of IBM it's like Enterprise I mean that's what you really think of so let's go know that this was a big big move for Apple and you know kudos to them my blackberry though I mean this may have been the death blow it makes you wonder I mean they still there so get it you know hype their security up which IBM is obviously doing the same thing I mean they said security a thousand times yesterday up an interview but blackberry is still going to hide their security they're pushing forward I mean today we saw a blackberry assistant I also done a chuckle there it's just it's getting to the point where you have to wonder what their strategy is I mean when Apple's getting into their core space yeah that's got to be scared for blackberry which arias would have happened obviously with the device massively yeah I mean but I mean hey blackberry has the passport coming yeah which they push today with blackberry assistant their new Siri competitor never let me know we were commenting like blackberry assistant who's sitting around like let's come up with something blackberry assistant that sounds snappy what I mean it makes sense in the business world yes accessible on and I said it does yeah exactly it does makes em blackberry is very much an enterprise company and we understand you you don't have no snappy names and corporate but still you know when your company ads in this much trouble you put a little bit of effort into the name to do something right they revealed it but that but held off on like explaining all that it can do which makes it seem like a watered down version of all the competitors it's like it's an assistant it can schedule things for you and read your emails but like can it tell me a sports score and doesn't use Google to query that or Bing or something else like how does it work and we didn't really get that explanation yeah i don't know i haven't play with blackberry 10.3 another sleep fields out there so I'm sure somebody out there those happens well next week is the the show to end all shows for the year even though it's not technically in our field san diego comic-con hmm where all the where all the geeks gel migrate to as of going to the Holy Land and actually I for the first for the first time in 18 years God has been 18 years at the first 18 years I'm going just for one day but it'll be interesting to see huh no this is my first one in 18 years I went I mean unique yeah I went 92 threw 95 every was like she didn't you own a store no I I owned a store plus I was working for like wizard magazine or combo magazine at the time so for me it actually was a work trip the five times I went but what one question here from Sasha Mahal related to a story yesterday about a hey Sean what do you think of the new Thor they made Thor female aim at one point Thor was a frog in the 80s really yes and they called him the Thunder frog don't don't go any deeper there at one point he was replaced by an alien named beta ray bill you know so the way Marvel will do this is by the time the second Avengers movie comes out it will be back to the Thor we all know because when somebody walks into a comic shop having seen the second Avengers movie they're going to want to buy a book with that Thor they're not going to want to buy a book with a female Thor so they'll split female Thor off into her own book and main Thor will be back who's who's writing it uh Gail Simone she does a lot of the i believe it is Gail Simone I believe so I there's every chance it's gonna be a good story I I have no problems with them going down this road but i also have been around the comma chemistry long enough to know this is very temporary I want to see who's who's the author I just goes with marble calm they've got a page up there that lists all the UH the staff on it poor is kind of a manly name I mean it back into the Norse mythology yes Thor was always a male but yeah it's marble apparently tonight on The Colbert Report Joe casada the editor-in-chief of marble is going to announce another new title in a a bold new direction for marble because I've never heard that before heyo having worked in the industry it's jason aaron jason aaron okay i'm not even familiar with him he's been working on store for a little while I don't know if he was right after stints key or not but yeah yeah I haven't followed thorn a long time I totally awesome there for a stint when J michael Straczynski was doing it it was pretty exceptional I don't know about Jason Aaron so yeah I just Thor's been one of those characters I just kind of float in and out on hmm throughout the years I I don't think I've ever done a big long run with Thor like i did with like say père David on the Hulk or something but wow that got really geeky there for a minute because they uh I news Dominique whoever wants to know how accurate is the pedometer compared to the pedo meter I I haven't driven by a school with the G watch yet right ahead yeah Alex out of here I'll Drive by a school here in the near future and it's almost lunchtime Oh guys oh I didn't mean I was gonna heat the trip if it's anywhere is anchored at the pedometer it's not very accurate so right yeah uh I tried so worse just like I was I was wearing this and I had my galaxy s5 I think I hadn't leaped up to you and like they're both telling me different steps so just like oh he said things what's the point there's no point if it's wrong here's another question this one's for you Joey from Dominique Webber thoughts on the assassins creed movie the movie I am paying it no mind there's my thoughtful I'm not I'm not i I just I don't video game movies don't register for me they they never have they probably never will I recognize that some fans get super excited for them and that's really cool um the only one that's even on my radar is uncharted and that's simply because i think it's the series that its most adaptable to film movies and games are wildly different beasts and one of the reasons why assassin's creed is so thrilling as a game is because planning an assassin climbing a building and then jumping off of it and killing some european dude is awesome like it's like a really awesome feeling and i don't know if they'll be able to take that feeling and translate it into a movie i don't know if that being able to do it yourself as part of the thrill seeing it on the screen i'm just like it's kind of like if they ever need to really bring in the series i really want them to talk to you doing i want to be called kill some european dudes killing simulator historical european killing simulator exactly it's a what opera is just sore o kind of zorro but like a total could jump from roofs that's the arrows i I mean it's exciting i'm excited for them i'm just uh would be I'm more inclined to get excited about something like Uncharted which is pretty much just Indiana Jones with more guns that's all it is so you know I I've never played in the Silent Hill series but I watched the first movie and as a movie it was enjoyable it's just you're talking about a series that I'm not into a franchise of films that I'm not into so no the second movie was horrible the first movie I actually enjoyed it was entertaining you know but then everyone so I like you know one day I was surfing on cable and I saw dead or alive was coming on yeah oh why not i'll watch this I was like oh god make it stop what a film that was just make it stop kind of like the mortal kombat movie hey no yeah i think it's hard to like any movie after watching pitch perfect let's just this is funny i just looked at my phone in the Google Play stores well Todd that's just acha awesome so and there's so many good lines that oh and they're filming a sequel right now are they really are yeah I filled that to pitch perfect ER and I believe it's just pitch perfect 2 but too perfect to pitch tutor I'm sorry anytime there's any movie with the two in it I just immediately go electric Boogaloo yeah it's just it's it's ingrained into me to just say whatever two electric boogaloo but oh my anyway a question from the killing machine what do you guys think about the iphone 6 do you guys think it's worth the upgrade and what is your favorite spec about it we can't answer this um you know yeah we have a dummy unit at the office but I mean we don't know the definite specs we don't know any of the definite features answer privacy yeah except iOS 8 you know I mean if you own an iphone now and you're waiting to upgrade to an iphone you should certainly wait well there's the big question that I ok you know if you're on a 5s definitely no it's too soon if you're going to five maybe anything before the five year or whatever if you want to seeing the iphone ecosystem if you're got a 4 or 4s than definitely you're going to want to consider the six not even the six necessarily but you should wait until it's unveiled to make your decision because yes the six comes out regardless of how good or bad it is the prices on the other phones are gonna plummet so yep at this point it's just it's worth your time to wait no matter what definitely definitely yeah I if you wanna stay in the iOS ecosystem then you just don't even want to consider a phone for the next few months yes even if you drop your current one into a vat of lava I wouldn't I end up without a phone until that I'm bailing my buddy just did that he went the pool with his iphone 5s and had to go in another 5s and he used like somebody on his family plans contract someone asked on the youtube channel would it be good for Sony and Microsoft to make a console together um and I obviously said not for consumers I say obviously because I know that that's what sean and i would both say um and then that's why uh i mean it's a you you don't want two of the leading marketplace manufacturers making a machine together because it removes drive to excel ya know it i definitely agree competition for the marketplaces always an aggressive right exactly i mean maybe the initial design is impressive but if sorry if essentially you're removing the whole excuse for them to improve without any competition there's no reason to make a better machine there's no reason to have playstation plus there's no reason to have the games with gold there's no reason for them to buy over exclusives and and create more technically pushing graphical powerhouses of games just the whole drive for that stops you want more than one company operating in a single space because it's good for consumers the initial greatness of having one console under one banner might be great but that that would dim quickly so you don't want you don't want them teaming up that's no good that's what forces Google and Apple Microsoft for release new operating systems every year right yeah I have to you have to stay on the front side and if you don't you lose consumers is competition that that's the way it works yep entirely I just I'm catching up on the last season of south park I am up to the episodes where they did a game of thrones parody based around the ps4 and xbox one and the kids are going to war over which one is will be the console to build them all it's yeah it's quite something very nice and I think that will bring this week's episode to a close do you guys have any final thoughts now I'm just checking the comments one more time make sure we got everybody but alrighty then is it for me alright as always we appreciate you joining us you can find the TechnoBuffalo show on iTunes where we do appreciate if you rate and review us you can also find us on RSS feed you can find us on the stitcher app you can find some podcast anywhere there's a podcast you can find the techno Buffalo show until next time I'm Sean ani I'm the editor-in-chief of techna Buffalo I've been joined from the executive editor of mobile Todd hazleton by everybody and executive editor of gaming joey davidson see you guys until next time take it easy and we'll see you then bye bye