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hello and welcome to the 18th episode of the TechnoBuffalo show I'm live your to host for this week shawnee editor-in-chief of the site and i'm joined by executive editor mobile Todd Hazleton hey everybody for those of you wondering where Joey is Joey's computer his has gone up to the great computer heaven in the sky and he said yes he said to the farm to fly with the other computers uh so he will be he will be coming back just unfortunately he was not able to technologically do the show this week so but that being said there's actually a ton to talk about this week there's a lot so tablets dead yeah so that was crazy I mean well what we saw um earlier this month or I guess just a couple days ago not too long ago is apples and I'm just starting with Apple because it's a great example because the ipad sort of like a tablet you think of your telling tablets right you can go to android but there's so many so tablet sales are down from apple ipad sales were down again and it's this big chunk me starting to wonder like why are they down and I wrote a little bit on it in an article saying is it time for Samsung and Apple to start worrying about not only that but the smartphone market but there's this this question I have is is how often do you have to upgrade your tablet right is that why sales are down and a couple of other reports I saw two we're asking the same question so if i have like right now i have the ipad mini with retina display there's no reason aside from gadget lesson i'm going to buy a new one with touch ID this year right like probably not because I don't need to and so you have to look then at the tablet saturation point and at what point do people need to upgrade and are there enough innovations being made the tablet space to force people to want to upgrade and I think the answer sort of is in the numbers know which has been interesting yeah I telly Gracie I unlike phones you everyone has a two-year contract so when they get to the end of that two-year contract they immediately go oh man i really want to upgrade but yeah if you're just buying a Wi-Fi tablet there's nothing there to motivate you I mean look at televisions you don't buy a new television unless your old one is dying yeah right you don't just run out and buy a new television because the new models out and that's probably gonna be the same thing with tablets we have this initial boom and now it's going to slow down as we wait for people need to upgrade right and yesterday recode had an interview with best buy CEO Hubert Joly and he was saying that they noticed that's why I notice and their tablet sales are crashing quote unquote and that he's seeing a reinvigoration the pc market which is really interesting because i think a lot of a sort of look at windows in those crazy flipping tablet computer things or like but but they I guess they're selling really well right and people are still upgrading their computers especially he said there's a driving force from Windows XP up to the new windows 8 machine so just so actually Microsoft killing off XP which we all love was a good thing for PC sales at least from bestbuy standpoint and Jolie said this is the best point that's by CEO he says the issue has been that once you have a tablet of a certain generation it's not clear that you have to move on to the next generation which is what I was arguing too you don't need to move up he says it's going to depend on what innovation comes next but you need a reason to replace your tablet which is exactly right and I think that's the biggest obstacle that you know Apple for example is going to face with these declining ipad sales yeah I totally agree with what he was saying you know it's yes we're in a unique position in that you and I pretty much upgrade our iPads or some form of tablet every year yeah I mean right now I've got three tablets within eyesight and the nice thing is they have a great resale value right yeah exactly so you know yeah we're we're unique use case but most people are just gonna buy one tablet they're gonna get i would estimate three to four years out of them easily hmm you know so it's going to be a while before people and absolutely positively need to upgrade their tablets yeah all right I agree yet the ink some pc sales has me curious that I I yeah right I'm sorry say again yeah I was kind of baffled by that as well yeah I mean I get what he was trying to say but I really don't think you know Oh windows XP is dead time to buy a new computer no I know yeah I mean yes we reach the end of support life but how many people your general consumers actually know that yeah and who I mean I feel like most people are probably on windows 7 at that point maybe if they had an older laptop on vista but i think it is kind of cool that an Intel had been promising it's for a long time that these pc prices really are dropping and there i think they're still kind of pretty pretty decent quality i mean for 300 for pops you can get it an ok laptop right i mean you're not spending a boatload of money and i think that's what's sort of probably driving a lot of these sales because when you look at apple's range right starting a thousand dollars then windows has this huge market microsoft us and all of their archers below that and i'm sure that's where best buy seen sales and when you go into best buy and you see an ipad that can do this or a full-fledged laptop that can do this and in some cases also kind of act like an ipad well then that's really a compelling use case and probably why seals row that's my yes yeah I agreed you but you know I I saw a lot of the headlines yesterday tablet market crashing no it's it's not it's fining it's it's true path right market direction for all fee yeah I super popular and now you know everybody sort of everybody has them and God you have to sort of gauge like where you sit now this middle ground that's always been one of my biggest problems yeah like when i had my comic book store i always knew there was a saturation point there was a point where I could not grow anymore because there are only so many people that are interested in what I had the cell right it's the same with every other market you know and so I always laugh when well you know Walmart only had one point two percent growth this quarter they're everywhere where else can they go yeah yeah it's true and I think that's why I mean great topic that we saw what was their new coupon saving something at the interview yesterday like you start having to do price matching things and other ways to promote growth the exact necessarily just change of others yeah so with tablets it's going to be a situation where we are going to see a replacement and cycle but it probably hasn't started yet I mean iPad ones are still running right yo and my mom still has it I didn't give him second yeah I mean all the the android tablet well the majority of Android tablets I'm sure there's some that of me he'll some of those ones you picked up for fifty dollars on black friday from a company you've never heard of or probably probably wouldn't mind but it generates it yeah go ahead that kind of brings up something that we also saw a report recently and you know I don't know how true this is but a Harvard student was doing research and then found that the searches for iphone slow spike every year round the time of you iPhone comes out and i think it's not a conspiracy i think it's simply just that you know maybe the new software is there or they're seeing their friends iphone that seems super fast with brand new and that that's why there seems slow but the article raises the question is there a conspiracy that these are built to slow down and obviously i don't think so because apple is great it like so we're providing the new software older but that's what makes it so compelling to own an apple product some fun so gotta get those guaranteed updates someone by now would have figured out if there was some sort of magical signal that goes out yeah or orbit was somewhere in the cut no I don't think there I don't think apple is building iPhones to slow down because it's not no I have a laundry list of reasons why this is not happening yeah if it was true and it was ever found out it would be the end of Apple oh yes sir I mean yeah I don't think they would be sued into oblivion here and I just know now I have never heard of Apple doing it on any other product it's just it's gadget lust its people oh wow you know I saw my friends knew it like you were just saying I saw my friends new iphone it was so much faster yeah what else that's all it is it's no it's just nice try though yeah thumbs up I mean it was interesting research right because it did show that they there were spikes in that search every time around a new iphone so I think that's sort of just take away here now something we mentioned briefly about the the off-brand phones you wrote an article this week about ill and you're very reference to a little bit about Samsung and Apple do they need to be worried and there is this growing up swell of you know these smaller companies from China like you know well I say smaller but they're not all that smaller who a lenovo yeah awesome no mo and Jo me xiao mi show me they're also coming up now to another report so the first report you referencing what's from IDC earlier this week had said a Samsung and Apple both lost market share to lenovo in huawei which are jumping up the ranks to big Chinese vendors and then LG was in fifth place there but another report today that came out from Strategy Analytics actually put Joe me at the bottom they're replacing LG and had them growing from I don't know one point something percent market share last year 25 points of a percent market share this year and like 15 point 1 million phones sold and sort of just like rocketing up there and then you have to look at other companies i think one plus one is probably not heard the oneplus company it's probably not too much of a danger right now is it we're not really shipping their hands that's everybody but is there a couple you need a code to get it right but i think that's sort of the idea here what Joe me sort of market model is and Huawei to is you sort of higher-end and sets at lower end prices that really don't break okay and I know the United States these aren't going to be household names particularly unless you're shopping sort of on a prepaid carrier or something but they are I think going to be especially if these models continue and and I think Apple and Samsung you need to be worried in some respects because their market sugar is dropping at a pace that cannot be sustained so they need to adjust in some way and I think that's why we're going to see Apple interviews the 5.5 inch iphone this year obviously a form factor that's pretty tunisia a lot and very popular there and there's rumors that samsung sort of rushing the Galaxy Note 4 out the same time but I think eventually price is going to be a concern especially an OP contract prices before we we just got an interest in common from a listener from brezin franco a galaxy tab 10.1 OG owner have been trying to replace it for the last two year not even seijin mod made it snappier but see there's a great point you you've tried different things but you have not actually gone out and replaced it hmm you know if you're actually having problems with it that that to me is even more interesting you're having problems I understand yo finances and all that sort of stuff but you know there's a use case right there yeah he's having problems with it but not so much oh he's actually gone out and purchased a new one right right which is exactly some of the best buys things that you already own a tablet but you haven't necessarily gone out and replacing the galaxy tab 10.1 already several years old now right so yeah so that that upgrade length time or whatever is already longer than it would be for phone just two years standard unites each other yeah exactly but yes speaking of one plus one I did bite the bullet i was able to get an invite i went for the 64 gigabyte version nice um lot in the g3 these days i really love this phone not entirely because of the greater size i really love the textured back that's a gamer on that by the way I have not actually I don't take many photos with my phone so I have not played with it that much Brandon said that's a little wonky and low light but in bright daylight it was great cool so yeah it just varies on lighting condition but I I tried a bunch of different phones when i was on irvine last week and I was really really happy with the one plus so I by agree until they get out of this whole invite thing yeah I mean you're sort of constricting themselves in that in that regard right like you they have this great product everybody loves it but they can't I guess they can't make enough of them right now otherwise they would have the words yeah bake 350 bucks for 64 gigabyte phone yeah yeah kind of an integrator I need contracts yeah yeah absolute insanity let me roll through we've got a ton of questions here coming in so let me get into some of the related to tablets from Sasha Mahal do you think we will see a nexus 7 2014 edition why I don't know oops oh right i don't know if it's getting the nexus 7 most rumors are saying what eight or nine it is this year yeah i mean i i'm i've got nexus 7 2013 and which I love it's a great tablet but crack the screen are mine hey I did I don't know what's happening I we still haven't heard anything about nexus 6 I mean we started hearing little rumors here and there we've heard rumors of a new Nexus tablet via 89 inches whatever it may be um I really I don't know what's going to happen with the Nexus line I don't know either i'd like to see it continue especially i mean if we're iterating all coming up you will get something you with that but from what I've seen I mean I haven't put it on my Nexus 7 again that I practice your next alley but Android L on the Nexus 5's been great so I don't know that that a new hardware is necessarily heated but google has said that new that's his hardware is coming i'm sorry i'm just reading the email that you sent while we've been sitting here yeah you do with no hands yeah I go ahead suburbs like how is he emailing me while we're on the Shelly but that was impressing of multitasking uh from President Franklin oh I'm sorry we do not have any extra 1 plus invites right now yeah you later we wish it Todd yeah one that we have a giveaway yeah we do have to give away running so you can go register for them as for a 64 gigabyte version I'm just a 0 for once I have touched a phone before Todd yeah that's right i have not played with one foot one year yeah so crossing that off the bucket lid one of me yeah that's tratado fo oh good grief not have to play oh let's see hey guys i would like a one plus one do you know how you get invited yes and that's from Javier Perez just go to their site and sign up and some point they might send you an invite yeah it's otherwise trying to find somebody who owns one because they get an invite right you buy one you get a well we asked the company for an extra invite because they're like our editor-in-chief really wants to buy one so they just get it they just sent me one extra invite but um so I didn't have any invites to give out otherwise I would have given them out to some kind soul but yeah but we are giving one away on the site too yes go go and register you still I believe there's almost a whole nother week left so yeah I think I'm not positively not my brain is fried after last week in irvine I don't know what day of the week it is yeah we should talk about comic-con yeah oh not saying that to me because I also understand like the idea of comic con amor of like I've only been to two attack Trey chose like ctia at CES knows okay well comic-con is not a trade show so it's it's open to the public it's I think now attendance is up around 150,000 for the four days Wow and it was really interesting because when I went back in the 90s it was there were comic dealers everywhere and there was like a charity auction of comic artists up on our stage you know doing artwork right in front of you and then you could bid on it later in the show cool and now this year I go and I could probably list all the comic dealers I saw because there was only like maybe 12 Wow so now it's guy I mean it seems like it was really focused around movies a lot this year and then I know there was some gaming that we actually the gaming section was off on the far right wall and it was the hardest section of the show floor to walk through Wow there were so many people over there and so now ya there you know Warner Brothers had a huge booth marblehead a giant booth which was focused far more on their movies in their comics then you had like the CW had a booth ABC The Walking Dead had its own booth it was a pusson AMC altogether booth and then you had like the toy companies like Hasbro which makes all the Star Wars toys and all that they had a gigantic booth Hot Wheels had a huge booth so it's a lot more just general pop culture now mm-hmm and what's really interesting is that is spilled out of the Convention Center and like I went over to one press event that was over in the parking lot of petco park the home in San Diego Padres yeah there's another street called the gas lamp district which pretty much every building on that street was doing something the hard rock cafe or hard rock hotel had the galaxy samsung galaxy event with the premiere of the trailer for hunger games mockingjay mmm hey it was everywhere it is taken over the entire city and so yeah it's not so much more it's not so much about comics anymore it's just kind of a general pop culture thing now in comics though it was interesting because I mean I saw I've seen a lot of these books before but like I saw a Marvel Comics number one I haven't seen one of those in years I saw some action comics number one which are the first appearance of Superman I saw detective 27 a couple Batman number ones die detective 27 being the first appearance of Batman Wow where do these where do they have them in like glass well yeah they have one most people now take the really expensive books instance or a company called cgc and what cgc does is they rated and then they put it in a sonically sealed slab of lucite and it's given a number grade from on a scale of 10 so now when you walk up and you see a CGC rated Bucky oh and it says 9.05 you know it's been rated by cgc and you know that you know it's a steel quality Wow what's uh oh yeah so well know it how much it costs to get this done is ridiculous it's based on how much you feel the book is worth and they take on three percent of that book value Wow so if you're sitting in a ten-thousand-dollar book it's going to cost you three hundred dollars to get it slammed Wow yeah exactly so yeah the really expensive books were either like in glass cases are up on a wall at the back of the booth where you couldn't touch them so uh yeah it was interesting I mean great seeing all these these various books and I was also nice i R and a lot of old friends some I hadn't seen since I last gone to comic-con in 96 I was amazed there was one guy I walked up to I was like hi I don't know if your memories like Sean you're kind of hard to forget that's awesome I was like it sweet okay I sometimes forget that I stick out in a crowd yeah but no so it was great you know it was a lot of fun going with John you know because John had never been and Ralph we took Ralph with us and Ralph knows nothing about the comic book industry and so it was really fun watching their reactions hey to every a lot yeah it's like seeing everybody in cost you and it's seeing books that you were marked at 45 thousand dollars yeah yeah yo heck we even showed one in the video that was going up for auction that had a pre-auction estimate of 175,000 well yo so yeah it was a lot of fun watching how Ralph and John reacted to everything but I was interesting was fun you know I'm glad I got to go back we're already luckily when you the to get approved as press was quite the process and luckily it they go ahead and approve you for two years so we're already appropriate for 2015 yeah so that's awesome yeah we just have to reapply every two years now and so next year were already approved and John's re like can we go back sure I guess yeah so no it was fun and it was a lot of fun you know being able to cover it as presion and taking the photos and all that it we couldn't get into any panels because if you I get into the big panels like say the marble panel that's in Hall H that's a 6500 seat venue and basically you have to line up the night before whoa that's in see yeah so yeah none of us felt like you know staying overnight on the sidewalk and sandy although that gas in the district gaslamp it spelled right it's really fun yeah gaslamp district is awesome before yeah no gas clip is really really uh what a pub hold on i just got an update from roy about the one plus giveaway all right okay some of them accidentally got sent to spam it looks like so he if anyone listening has entered the contest and they have not their comment is not shown up he is going through and hand approving entries right now there we go if by a chancellor if you've entered and you do not see your comment it is coming through and approving them right now it spam filters are great but sometimes they go a little wonky yeah so yes comic-con awesome can't wait to go back next year cool uh which answers a couple of the questions coming in about should an otaku go to go to comic-con from brazen Franco for those of you that don't know what toku is that's a it's Japanese for essentially fanboy oh nice night yeah they're there were a few anime dealers there but it was nothing like was back in the 90s anime is kind of phased out there but you know I did see like Funimation there and some of the bigger anime dealers like Jay lyst hobby like Japan and that stuff so I i would i would say he'd be better served going to a strictly anime convention like otakon or a condom in dallas nan desuka and Denver but San Diego and I I wouldn't say if you're strictly there for a anime okay let's see what we've got a ton of questions so let's just start piling through these and here's one from Christopher miles do you think apple will ever aggressively pursue the low to mid-range market or will they be content as a premium manufacturer with five to seven percent market share based on current trends that has a really good question Christopher uh-oh parade i'm confused with the five five to seven percent market share sins um I think he's talking about the i believe they only have like five to seven percent of the pc market okay uh okay if we're going for pcs no I mean I think no I think Apple is going to try to remain a premium manufacturer we sort of see I mean the most are willing to do is what drop the high-end macbook pro recently macbook pro with retina by a hundred bucks and they drop the macbook air by a prayer cloths but I think they're they're content in that market as for phones we sort of saw the experiment with the iphone 5c but it looks like that sort of just happened this year and while it happen again it's not next year in this next round in september-october as we heard today the iphone could launch october and said but um yeah I think I think Apple sort of very much wants to be this premium player but that's also why I think we're going to see this market share slip as we have seen and we have the huawei and ZTE Shelvey and all these other companies coming up because they are low-cost players and for example I've spoken to Motorola right the Moto G i believe it was was the best selling Android her best-selling phone in every market they introduced it in in Latin America so Apple will it seems like lose market share to these companies if it doesn't go lower and I don't see it going well we're that's sort of i mean i think they like their brand being known as absolutely all right my apologies everyone i apparently i forgot to silence every phone in the world so my apologies for the text messages and actual phone calls coming through that's no i agree i think apple's very happy with where they are i mean you look at their war chest and I why rock the boat yeah oh so like I mean they haven't really done that that low and ever before and I mean to be frank you're really you're really okay buying a refurbished laptop it's a couple years old too from Apple I mean I'm still on the 2012 macbook air the entry level one and I'm running you 70 perfect on these days only I have issues with my trackpad now but I mean and that's a two year old laptop which are pretty solid so yeah that is their low and right for Apple it's just an older product pretty much uh here's a question from taj mahal what do you think of the pricing for the playstation now beta Todd you and I were discussing this right before we jumped on the show and yeah Joey had some comments us worry about wait what yeah we'll go over them real quick I brought up Joey's post for people who aren't familiar with the PlayStation now beta that was announced this morning you can what is it sort of like you could rent a game almost right for let's see Darksiders for example was 299 for four hours of play which silly you can double that for seven days for seven days is 599 uh and then 30 days is 799 and 90 days 1499 no no the sweet spot there for me looks like 30 days so wait is that per game uh i mean yeah this has just Darksiders up but i don't know i mean this is joey's market i'm just repeating his post under right no I I get it now yeah that is per game that's right they said it was gonna be oh oh yeah and then actually Joey brought up a great point here too if you have a PlayStation free you can get the full version of darksiders for just four dollars which is cheaper than seven days yeah um and then Joey also mentioned that a whole batch of games will come starting at a dollar ninety-nine seem too so there's some other stuff I racing seems weird to make up joey is listening he just confirmed per game yeah thanks thanks Joey for learning right now yeah that is wow yeah that's I mean I feel like it's it's like i enjoy i might disagree with me but for somebody like me where i'm kinda like i don't know if i want to play this game maybe i'll just try it or like I don't get I don't feel like I have a lot of time to gain these days so I'm not going to go out and spend 60 bucks a game but i want to see sort of what everybody's talking about then maybe i would pay you know four bucks five bucks just to play it for a couple hours and then whatever sort of like renting a movie right but i think for like serious game you're specifically making seven yeah I don't know I I don't think this is going to be quite the the savior of pocket books like some people thought it was going to be but it's interesting i'm sure there will be some shake out as as it develops I mean true this is currently beta huh right you know how it works yeah but no it's an interesting concept we'll just have to see where the guy thought the EA 14 xbox one was really cool though right right and actually we have a question about that from Chris for miles what do you think of Sony's decision to not carry ii a subscription service do you think PlayStation now can make up for it as it will have a larger selection of games yeah is pricing a lot more compelling yeah it was but and hold on rich area joint saying why don't people just go out and buy used games instead of using PlayStation now he does have somewhat of a computer folks he just doesn't have a camera that was the problem so um i think ii a subscription services interesting especially the what was a thirty dollar thirty dollars a year that could be interesting you know because I let's have the price of a brand new game and you're going to get access to several games so in theory it could save you some money as for sony not going with it I can see why I mean they've got the PlayStation service that they give you a couple free games a month you know for sixty dollars a year I can see why Sony wasn't as interested but that being said I'm going to look at the EA a little bit closer it intrigues me intrigues me too because I wouldn't go out and buy like fifa for examples I'm just unlike q sean and brandon i'm not a huge soccer fan we're football fan however i would probably play it with this because then I'd be like Oh what everybody raving about sort of like in the video because it seems like everybody I know if HP but what's it so then I would you know certainly I just put it up going on right free font or whatever maybe it's not for me Ariane mad enough yeah exactly uh from besos mecco Sean what's behind the white sheet would you like to know all his bodies from comic-con just some just some unorganized shelves that I just don't your needs to bother looking at UH also from from brezin Franco do you think iOS 8 will be the last for a 4s last major update ye Emily probably and let's say unless unless Apple you know moves forward with something like Google's 58 with android 4.4 and sort of making it really low power I don't I don't think so if Apple's trans stories stay up i would guess this is the last night yeah now by yeah i think the poor ass is about done here with iOS a very interesting question from christopher miles in relation to the tablets do you think any android manufacturer could ever achieve apple levels of mass-market appeal by means other than heavy advertising yeah i think i think one plus one and even Joe me is a great example of this because neither I don't think are using heavy advertising like you don't see commercials for your phone but instead it sort of passed around enthusiast circles in the android community and that's what's making them so compelling and why smartphone enthusiasts have heard of them so I think I mean they're gonna get market appeal I don't know about mass market right like I my mom's never going to be like Koch about his +1 she heard of it and I don't think she ever would because she's not going to stumble on an Android for something like that but you know what's ever I mean ever seen ever really some of these brands in he come out of nowhere I agree i think at some point they could I think there's a lot of things they need to look at I don't think it's just with heavy advertising I this is gonna sound incredibly silly I think some of it is really poor naming you know it's the fact that ah that's my father everybody uh there's really poor naming you know you look at a lot of the the various ones and they all have incredibly silly names I mean some of the ones you and I have written about Todd it's like okay this is a name that somebody's supposed to remember when they go into a store yeah especially when you look at like a sir Todd we we've lost your audio Todd testing testing test their your back okay oh yes i was thinking like like a sir yeah he's got some weird names i'm pretty sure and I think Lenovo's sometimes come in pretty weird games but yeah I mean it's one thing because it doesn't sort it's not snappy you weren't gonna be like oh I need that right here I'm just bringing up lenovo for example they have s30 here a series the lenovo a850 9 like I write them out phones for a living and I don't know the difference between the a59 8 a 5 to 6 a-6 808 269 I like that come on I mean obviously the processors are changing in there and the screen size is probably but that's that's one way you're not going to get mass-market appeal you can say a series right and that's what Lenovo sort of has start page there but yeah I think to your point that really does make five cents right now yeah I think naming is actually a lot of it I know that sounds incredibly silly to a lot of people but it's part of your marketing program and if someone can't remember the name of your product when they walk into a best buy or they see it on a sign and they can't remember it by the time they get home to look it up on amazon then you're already lost yeah and I I should correct myself slightly like Lenovo is a bad example on the naming because their market share is growing and they are a very attractive vendor in parts of the world but I'm just saying to your point versus i'd say like an iphone or galaxy s5 an a a 59 is a a model number you can think about it right well let me see what else we've got here and the questions all what will you have one from joey davidson how much pressure should Apple currently feel from the likes of HTC Samsung LG etc um well HTC uh is not even in the top five right now so i wouldn't say real pressure from them samsung also losing market share but i'd say his largest competitor LG remain flat in the quarter so really I wouldn't say pressure from any of them it's pressure from Lenovo huawei show me and these others ET equal bad China these other brands that are sort of coming from the bottom and seeping in and grabbing market share I mean each of those guys gains a four percent market choice porter and slowly chewed away at both Apple and Samsung so while there are the biggest competitors they do have to worry about these other brands and Samsung still major player in China but obviously you know I think consumers are starting to see from these other companies that a high-quality handset at a lower price is really it's possible and they're attracted to it but I don't know what these firms are making in terms of margins off you phones either like one plus one can hardly get them out the door and my guess is and I think they said right they're not on making any money off the school so I don't know yeah but yeah I don't hate last yeah but you look at the price that a lot of these companies charge and I mean hey I've been in business I understand everyone has to make a profit but you know you look at the war chests that yo Apple and Samsung you have and you just have to go do you really have to be charging that much and what could they do to the market if they did lower their prices a little bit I guess they get you a lot with investors or so they want to see those huge profit margins and they want to see out yeah all that cash that they have that's like the beets acquisition was nothing it was like pennies for Apple drop in the bucket because they have so much cash and so much cash coming in even largely because they have these huge product markets that are doing really well for Apple so it n versus these low-cost manufacturers that are maybe selling phones in gaining market share but not making any money so again maybe maybe Apple and Samsung don't have to worry that much because how long can ease companies possibly keep doing it right right well I I don't know it's I I think that at some point they'll feel pressure I'm actually wondering though if we are gonna have more of a fight for third going on for a while before we move up to five per second and first yeah I think that's where it's coming right now I mean if you look at least bring up the figures real quick sorry no problem orchids we can boil all your I had a while you're looking that up out I'll take this next question here do you think android has reached its zenith with a reported eighty-five percent market share of the most recent quarter or can continue to rise doesn't have a whole lot of room left to rise unless they completely kill Apple so I I think probably you're looking at the zenith of androids popularity which is hey anyone that has eighty five percent marketer should be thrilled yeah it's pretty solid it really depends on where Android moves from here but ok so here are the latest figures in a second quarter of this year samsung had a 25-point two percent market share Apple followed behind that with 11.9 percent and sort of right on his heels if you look at growth here is Huawei at six point nine percent and that's up from 4.3 percent last in the year-ago quarter behind Huawei you have lenovo at five point four percent and then LG at 4.9 but LG sort of a strategy analytics set today they had jovi as the the top five in the world so it looks like it's a battle t2 and in others at forty five point eight percent that's word HTC and all these other companies of volume but you have to I mean look at apple fell from thirteen percent to 11.9 pretend Samsung fell from 32.3 purse that's 25 points to so those are big chunks yeah here's an interesting question from the mosh 91 what do you guys think of the oneplus one customer service and defective phones I think it's really the growing pains of a brand new company and from what I've heard and I haven't dealt with our customer service before I've heard they're they're trying very hard to make sure that every customer is satisfied right and so yeah it's it's very much a company that jumped in head first and didn't have everything planned out I think that's fairly obvious right by the way this is a Pellegrino not a beard you can bleep I realize I'm so much look like beer yeah girl Todd's in the ball today one o'clock drink my pellegrina its hide a good time I'm just kind of glad you pointed that out so we did i'll just go oh my god he drinks Heineken yeah I think that would have been the bigger offense to bring a bigger than half man oh good lord well let's take one or two quick questions because we've got a bunch of them and I know Todd you're going to sit there going huh who's upcoming movie line up in guys most excited for DC's our marbles um Marvel we don't know that many more in the lineup right now beyond yo captain america 333 avengers age of ultron ant-man Doctor Strange and guardians of the galaxy 2 over on DC I'm interested to see where they go the footage they showed of Batman vs Superman looked awesome i think the Wonder Woman costume looks awesome I'm very interested to see where they go with the Justice League so I'm excited for both marble has the track record DC still has to prove itself just just not an agreement time yes uh who's your favorite superhero that's like asking me to choose my favorite child sorry not going to do it from Sasha Mahal first what do you think of snapchat as an app and how much do you think the company is worth is it worth 10 billion or just a few billion all of these days I okay let me let me play devil's advocate here for a moment I have a hard time with any of these companies being worth billions yeah I know it's insane I don't see it and I and also we should save the little background for listeners the rumor came out yesterday from New York Times and several other places it said Ali Baba was interesting and interested in investing in snapchat which would give it a value of ten billion dollars then the rumor was shot Business Insider shot that rumor down so they spoke to four people so I don't know who's right and I made a joke on Twitter that maybe the offer came in the form of the snapchat and it disappeared them why but i don't know i don't think i mean i don't think any of these companies are worth that much money i mean who knows you have i mean even the fed like janet yellen was saying none of these social networks are worth anything and it's like a bubble in itself which is kind of scary but then you look at Facebook's earnings this week and they're actually doing really well in the space especially with mobile advertising and hand a lot of growth facebook now has 1.3 billion monthly active users so a company like that it's probably worth a lot of money but then you see snapchat and it's so young that I just can't see it but no obviously if people are willing to spend that much money investment i'm somebody blues just female bodies moving it's a picture app yeah that's easily recreated right like everybody has her own now yeah how's that work 10 billion dollars I don't know and I don't even use it like so I'll never once used it never once used it I have zero interest in ever using it right I just I don't get it but popular with the kids though follow those wacky kids teenagers well well folks I think that is going to bring it to a close for this week as always we do appreciate you joining us and you can find some of the itunes store by searching for the TechnoBuffalo shown we do appreciate if you rate and review us you can also find us on the stitcher app you can subscribe to RSS feed we're on pocket casts basically anywhere you can find podcast you can find the techni Buffalo show until next week I am Sean ani I'm the editor-in-chief of technobuffalo I've been joined by executive editor mobile Todd Hazleton hi everybody until next week we'll see them take it easy everyone bye-bye