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and welcome to the 20th episode of the technical Buffalo show on live your to host for today Sean ani editor-in-chief of the site i'm joined by executive editor mobile Todd Hazleton it's up everybody yes guys joey is still not here we're trying to figure some stuff out because he's also hosting morning twitch streams so if he did that and then came over here there'd be a lot of his day even though so we're still trying to work out the balance there we miss you hey but that's actually not a horrible thing because Todd were about to go into the crazy period yeah insane you talking about what we said what we say June was crazy than July was crazy well what you like July actually was calm hahaha but I think it's stuck we could see it picking off you know yeah when's this coming once it's going in you know leaks everywhere and now all those leaks seemingly are coming to fruition now when do you leave for Berlin monday i leave on Monday yep Monday night and I land in the afternoon Berlin time on tuesday good times good test for those that don't know why I Todd is going to Berlin he is headed off to the annual Aoife conference which is kind of like the european version of CEOs yeah and it's actually grown so much in the past few years and I can I mean just looking at my calendar this year it's incredible I remember I first wants eva maybe maybe five years ago or something I forget it was when Samsung first introduced their very first note tablet and that it was like that the 7 inch version and there I think that was like the only thing of the show it was actually really funny one of the only other things was like the garmin nuvi phone i want to thank like and I so I was like scouting the show for just for that so there were like two products the hair that we cared about and now it's I mean my schedule looks just about its busiest Mobile World Congress which occurs every year in February and it's also a major show so this is turning into you know quite an event well I remember we sent John to Aoife I want to say it was 2011 or so and he came back with like having seen two three devices right yeah yeah and now it's just I I've looked at your schedule it's nuts I mean because now not only do you have like Samsung you've also got away and ZTE and HTC in all back acer lenovo toshiba yeah buddy and don't forget motorola decided to help their meeting in chicago right yeah so we'll also be there I won't be there but we'll have somebody there for their event as well which is going to be exciting because we're expecting the X plus 1 or expecting the g2 or expecting pricing and release dates for the Moto 360 smartwatch and then of course you know right we get back rumor is September 9th is the iphone event so whoo yeah which I'm I'm really wondering if on note 4 or days when we're going to see the official app you know it wouldn't surprise me because when was it it was my 2012 I was in Barcelona for mobile world congress and i was covering i think i was i think i remember the article like best products of Mobile World Congress that I was writing when the Apple invites went out for an ipad event and literally it was like everything stopped you know you had home Annja facturers like hundreds of them at the show and the topic switched apple and that's what Apple likes to do yep Steve us 2011 I was sitting in the press room in the south hall connector and we got the invites for the verizon iphone event mm-hmm and the entire press room just stopped yeah you know we're all like uh yeah it's pretty well and I think even I I might be wrong but I'm almost certain that when samsung announced the unpacked event for Aoife uh you know like last week or two weeks ago pretty sure that's when like Bloomberg and a wall shree journal ran their stories talking about September ninth for the iphone which seemed you know like little plan it in there oh yeah did you know how apple's business works oh no app apples a master of why pay to go to a show when you could just send out an invite via email and everybody stops yeah it's pretty wild yeah that said we was going to be super exciting I think I think we're gonna see a lot of really cool stuff alright well Sasha Mahal asked before the show you what else do you think we'll see it Eva I think we're going to see a ton yeah stuff um well I can talk about rumors and yeah you know so it sounds like note for I mean Samsung has been pushing videos now teasing that thing pretty much yeah there's rumors that there's going to be some sort of VR headset with that that that seems to 0 originally we thought it was going to be more like cardboard right where you sort of bring your own display like whether it's note for something else but then it looked like recent leaks said it might even have its own display too so that was I'm confused about that but then also leaked apks for the note for suggested VR headset also and so you start to wonder well if it requires a CPK is it does that mean that this is only going to be limited to Samsung devices or will it support other phones too my guess is just samsung phones I don't know that's my guess as well I mean it's relying on that custom software yeah wait yeah more bloatware yeah because if if you don't have a samsung phone you know yeah i don't know what we'll see at any time you you tied to a specific device like that you know any same song football almost any samsung phone you know you're you're narrowing down your market so much right you know it's I don't know how wise that is exactly but you know we see it across the board samsung typically i mean with their smart watches even write like they just only work with Samsung products which you know they sell enough phones that I don't think they're you're too worried about it yeah exactly he's like I like their ties in powered smartphones and I mean smartwatches rather and i think that uh you know if they opened them up i'd probably consider that at least over android wear for now they said they saw the other day they had thousands of apps available for them to do so yeah yeah so I I don't know it's gonna be an interesting show it's it's definitely becoming a try ometer a trio of a big shows now with CES Mobile World Congress and Aoife at least Aoife is a good distance away from the other to the other two are like right on top of one another ya see yes and then you know in January and then mobile world congress right again in February's pretty crazy although it did seem like this year at CES a lot of the phone news was not there right right yeah I sorry your secret stuff like yeah yeah there were some tablets I think I get the feeling now that they're starting to save that more and more for mobile world congress yeah i think so too especially because you know i think once upon a time it was like well here are the phones when i first started the business you know it actually even broke down to carriers like remember when all the carriers had advanced it was like sprint like here's what we're offering and verizon here's what we're offering now it's not really that much i mean they still hold these little conferences here and they're like we were just at sprint last week for the sharp aquos but i think you know now it's just like we're selling these all over the globe and we're gonna you know will tell you the markets later but check them out and and then they you know they make their way here you know in a lot of different varieties yeah with mentioning the sharp phone it seems like the number of phone manufacturers is growing and I would have thought by nether web in some form of contraction right do you think at any point we are finally going to see a contraction um yeah I think we'll see people exit the market but it's I mean look we see it I think it's gonna take a long time look at Sony leaving the laptop market for example right like they were in it forever but I think everybody wants to get in in on the smartphone market and see how they can do obviously sharps been a huge brand abroad and now I think with soft soft thanks ownership and sprint and their partnerships in Japan with sharp that's why we're seeing sharp here in the United States but then you look at you know one plus in the one plus one which is just an affordable handset that we can talk about a little bit here because I'm still trying to figure out if i want to buy one but you know i think that's really yeah I've got mine right useful but that's kind of like oh here's this smartphone maker that came out of nowhere almost right and then you have Joe me Xiao am I you know show me with the what's his name from google over there and they're trying a lot of interesting things I think they're gonna probably try to tap into the US market as well again at lower price points so you know yeah I think right now we're gonna see everybody do all that they can and then whoo-hoo lasts you know is gonna be a matter for time I mean what BlackBerry's market share is crashed but they're even there trying to make a comeback but you know their market share is still down yeah yeah so let's go ahead and jump into the the oneplus here first thing you said yarn to talk about that today I'm just I'm confused like I feel like I don't know if I want to buy it but I kind of do it just feels like it's pretty incredible how expensive and nice it feels mm-hmm I'm afraid to this is this is technobuffalo this property and I haven't taken out of my apartment cuz I'm afraid that I'm gonna scratch it or like ruin the resale value well funny cuz you don't usually like I don't usually worry about that you know like I mean even even with review units i obviously I take care of them but for some reason this thing is just like dang I mean it's like holding a branding compare it to a to like the one m8 like it just feels really nice for like an iPhone you're like I don't want to drop this I to me and this sounds so silly a lot of it is this back panel yeah yeah yeah absolutely it feels like stone or her like yeah I know I just it feels so awesome does it scratch that's what I'm still worried about I i have really complain i've not been here case and I just carried it in my bag and I haven't seen any scuff thing hmm so yeah so y esta Todd's debating whether or not he should get a 1 plus 1 and I I do have some poems that I've noticed you know playing with here at my desk ok Google that command doesn't always seem to work like I just said it nothing happened and and on a lot of other handsets like if I'm not I wouldn't be surprised if I had a phone here it would have probably lit up I notice a lot of them are really good at it like the Moto X especially but others if the screens on you know I can almost be like 10 feet away say ok Google that's I mean again it didn't even do it here and then my other problem is um I'll see I just reset it but I had google now on the side and when I would swipe to go back you know to my home screen like I'm switching between the panels here it would just it just wouldn't do anything or like the google it would just swipe with notification so it didn't feel like that sensitive but I got to go into the screen settings and stuff you know play with it more people obviously love this phone right no it's a great phone I mean my only qualm about I'm using on t mobile and I can't use t-mobile's Wi-Fi calling that poison anybody yeah stuff like that like you may not built in but I'm you know so here's my thought um I am going to Berlin next weekend typically when i travel to Mobile World Congress or Berlin are you I used to buy a sim card abroad put it in my phone but then you know one year for whatever reason I was super busy I couldn't get calls out to my wife so I can only skype her at night she was like it and in the time difference just made it really hard so I really talked to her that often during the business trip and so the following years I've just you know just paid for it with 18t and I end up getting about 300 for an dollar bill by the time I get home I just like I put as much data on there as I can i think it's like eight hundred megabytes i go through that and then it charges me again charge me again i come home with a big deal but for me it's worth it yeah thinking if I buy this phone and and carriers have come a long way since the last time that I've tried just getting a sim card over there I will basically just offset the costs of that three and four dollars that i usually peg and I thought maybe I would bring my own phone to tmobile and and do their simple choice plan so that i get the global roaming and i don't even have to worry about it you know that that's why i switched to form a team t to t mobile was the the global roaming yeah and in addition to that last year when i went to the UK i did go ahead i had a spare phone so i took the mega 6.3 with me and slapped a three sim card in it mhm and that was awesome because three does not do anything some carriers won't let you use their data for skype calling the three will so I paid a three's being great for me to you yeah I paid 15 pounds for the entire month I was only there a week by paid 15 pounds and I had unlimited data calls and texts and i just used skype to call everybody and it was awesome right so that's what I'm thinking I'm you know because when you bring your own phone and t-mobile and all that stuff I mean I'm not even have to worry about yeah a contract and I'm not I'm not I'm not promoting t-mobile by any means yesterday you're saying like versus what I would usually pay the oneplus one or any unlocked phone for that matter would offset the cost except for the one plus ones like a super premium phone at United's kreisman right and we also realized we we have unique issues I mean Todd travels outside the US a couple times a year you know for technobuffalo and I just go out the country once a year on vacation and you know so a lot of people this won't impact your decision making whatsoever and we understand that but if you do travel outside the US at all for vacation or if you live in another country he traveled with the US you know these are things you need to think about I the first time I ever went to japan in two thousand i rented a cell phone well no no that year i did not i didn't do that until the second year um or did I don't remember anyway I give you guys Mike phone remember this yeah well back then those weren't around yet but yeah I used for hauling cards to call back home the second year i went to japan i rented a cell phone from a company which was an awesome service i arrived at my hotel and the phone was waiting for me there already hit charged up everything nice popped it out of the bag and had a phone and i was off to the races but you know it's amazing how things have changed I mean if I'd had skype on a regular basis back then oh the money I would have saved yeah or we've come I was just thinking when I said skype phone that must have been a two thousand six thousand seven linksys had one neck ear had one you know the router makers seem to have been making these roads I still have some here in my office they were so cool and now you know it's just like a nap in your like a yeah I know I I wish they still I wish more pill standalone skype phones yes great like my folks could understand that right yeah yeah but that was unfortunately that never caught on yeah that was cool though because my now wife she was studying abroad and and so I would have the skype phone like next to my bed and she would call you know on her time and and I pick it up versus you know like then I mean you only had to rely on a computer and I wasn't at my computer exactly i was pretty well yeah it was so we have a question here from master guy 635 how do you think of Seuss's SmartWatch is going to do in the market that's a it's interesting I mean right now we've said it pre pre frequently Android wear is so new that both Sean and I are aren't super impressed with it but I think there's potential as soon as could do well if the rumor said it's coming in at 99 bucks or $149 true i mean that's really undercutting every other the Android wear SmartWatch by you know a hundred bucks really good margin more than a hundred bucks in some cases 229 if they come in at 100 bucks um but you know I think apple is still like you still wear the pebble I think it's still the best option right there on the market but for people who might have been holding out on the pebble because that's also more expensive than the rumors for this use price and then people who might be looking at the Moto X if that comes in at like 250 right then I mean I think they could do well and really push enjoyed where well it depends how they position it too I mean if it comes to us that kind of stuff yeah now if it trill does come at $99 that's almost impulse buy these days right exactly especially for someone who has a known as SmartWatch yet they're like I want to see what this is about no you know I have android and why not yeah you know yeah exactly quickly going back to the one plus one for just second Sasha Mahal ask how's the battery life on the oneplus one really good really good I can easily get through like a day and a half ooh nice I haven't used my enough to figure that out like I said I'm afraid to use it as a daily driver yeah so benjamin mcdonald s do you think that the Moto X plus 1 or as i like to call it the Moto Z will have metal corners hmm it looks like i don't know about corners but it looked like it had a metal I mean the leaks I thought looked like it had some kind of metal stripe around it but you can never you know you can't tell it's so hard these days like even LG honestly tricked me after the press conference um when they use the word metallic I honestly thought like oh that means metal but it doesn't metallic means metal looking mm-hm and it certainly was metal looking and so like you know these manufacturers are gonna try to to get us to think everything premium about these devices ahead of time so you know look at everybody else am son's got the faux metal borders on their phones they've had that for a while so whether or not motorola does it or not you know i don't know but i would expect if it does that it's going to be more expensive yeah positive middle yeah we'll just have to see Sasha mahalo asks a question that I'm not too familiar with what do you think could be the fourth item on motorola September fourth event invite what did they mention for devices I don't know I'd have to look at the invite let me bring it up be the Moto X plus 1 the moto g2 they'll probably talk about the Moto 360 yeah um every not just as every choice is a new adventure was there I don't know if there were four things I mean we were expecting a lot of things from Motorola in the coming months I mean you know I think there's rumors that Motorola's building the new Nexus I wouldn't be surprised to see motorola refresh its portfolio of droid devices on Verizon there's been a lot of rumors there and they did it actually I think last year they I'm almost positive they refresh the droid devices on verizon before the Moto X because I remember them talking about the processor and the voice controls and then we saw the Moto X n so that brought it all together yeah yeah exactly speaking of that sajan bahala i also asked do you think montréal will be making the next Nexus and could we see a tease of the upcoming even an impossible and answer in october november i think that all right look I don't know what's going on with the Nexus right now yeah I mean either but I'm gonna guess that's fully in Google's hands especially you know I don't know in this transition to Lenovo's actually gonna take place like when it's going to be finalized right because lenovo is by motorola mobility but that doesn't mean I mean motorola can still build up the nexus for google it doesn't have to be owned by the company to do that obviously LG built the last one but i don't think we'll see it teased or mentioned that discreet that's just mike i agree i would take i think well we'll see I such and I think october-november is probably I mean Google's promised Android L the full release I don't know it's going to be called right in this this fall and I think when that's released maybe we'll see the Nexus at the same time right like here's the device that runs that software I don't expect that that will come in Chicago next week ya know Google will want that for their own event or their own announcement it they're not going to let somebody else take the glory on that I don't think right damn it we're getting close though I mean I figure October's when we're going to see Android L lollipop whatever that they end up calling it Yeah right must who knows what they're going to do with it let's see from Benjamin McDonald would you buy a chromecast or wait for Android TV devices it's good question mmm i love the chromecast um you know it's on you on your use case for me I put and I guess I could do this to an indoor TV comes out but I take the chromecast and I put my backpack and you know what I'm at a hotel I'll use it there you know with the Wi-Fi when it's available and stuff like that but Android TV seems like something that i'll leave in my living room and so and so i think i have a use case scenario for it because otherwise my chromecast hits in my bedroom and that's where i use it mostly because i have all these Xbox and Playstation and all that stuff here yeah I you know the chromecast was impressing at first but it's I think it's use cases are dropping actually yeah below I mean Google's promised all these features right and letting screencasting you can do now and stuff like that but I do think it's limited and that's why they're doing Android TV but for you know 30 bucks I think it's get out yeah the boys uh from Sid hunts khatam my apologies if I mispronounced that what do you think about the LG G watch our is there another LG watch ping again it's a it's rumored for Berlin a round version of the g wash oh that's right that's right i do i had i forgot about the name ok yeah the round one i I think round ones are going to end up being the winners yeah i think i agree i mean here's here's my regular watch I'm just so you know I'm used to the round one I know regular watches come in rectangles and squares too but it's just it seems to me more natural to have a round watch but I haven't used the 360 yet either so yeah I know I mean I like the pebble but i think i would like to go back to round yeah doubles gotta work on their design I mean I get it it's it's early right it's a Kickstarter product well yeah I know and the pebble steel looks really nice but still you know I think I think that he needs to I mean I'm of two minds with the pebble for those of you watching on video if you've never seen it ill the three buttons here they're so chunky but I also understand I mean they're easy for me to push yeah but they're also really chunky like I mean it's a great product and it works really really well I just think it could look better yeah exactly even even the steel which I think looks better yes it does it does look better is it true that HTC is making excess 9 who knows big shrugs I don't know that'd be awesome I like these products but see at the same time that I think the 7-inch tablet is the sweeter form factor I mean when you get up unless they're making a 7am on right and then you know what happened to the talks of 82 yeah well and remember shortly after the nexus 7 last year there was a mysterious tablet that showed up in one of Google's pages hmm that looked like an eight and we never heard another word on that mystery tablet yep yep you know which I just love when we have to study pictures and go is that definitely no yeah is that real hey Ike it's hard hard some days our jobs uh yeah because sometimes these companies just put in like you know a place older picture just like anybody else would yeah exactly and it makes all of us go what is that from master guys 635 what are your thoughts on OS is like Android auto and apple carplay I think they're a great idea yeah they sound awesome but I think I've said this in other shows I have an older car you know i just i put i put my iphone or my android device strike right up in the cradle and that's great for me yeah I mean I I Drive a 99 Tahoe I mean I'm not going get to take advantage of any of the stuff i think i have a 2001 explorer I don't even know a year is doesn't six-member but that being said you know it I I like the idea of anything that lessens your potential distractions yeah for sure yeah so yeah especially when it comes to like voice controls and all that you know bigger buttons I mean because that's where it's built for versus my phone on the dashboard I'm like ah yeah pythons passenger seat track it to it a question more directed at me from sasha hall what do you think of the roku powered TVs and this is more towards sean because his parents have a preference to use roku um I'm of two minds the biggest problem like for instance my folks have a Samsung television with built-in apps you know for netflix and hulu and all that but it is so clunky and so slow that it's easier for them to use a roku connected to that television so i think a lot of it is going to depend on how responses and how quick the roku interface is when it's built into the television itself exactly that being said I think that you know it's the cost of these televisions because they're coming from to lesser-known makers hisense and I think it's TCL or TLS it's a tee something TLC and yes but they're coming from two lesser makers so they're already lower priced so when you deduct the cost of the roku and you know say you buy a roku 3 which is one hundred dollars that makes these TVs really cheap because you don't have that costs on top of it I I'm going to have to play with one before I make a final decision but i'm i'm intrigued by it and i hope it works out yeah me I'd rather get the roku and connect it because I mean exactly like you're saying the software on these TVs is just waaah i don't think i've ever used it because it's so blah my parents used to until i finally one day watched how long it took for netflix to lodos like i'm buying your roku yeah writing interface just terrible a terrible it's sluggish but did you see like webos on LG tvs and that's it what's difference yeah I mean I when I saw webos demonstrated at CES this year it looked fantastic mmhmm yeah but also i mean the manufacturers are finally putting in more powerful processors so exactly who ever thought we'd need to talk about processors and our televisions well when you use Snapdragon 400 processors on our wrists with Android wear it's exactly exactly from master guys 635 what do you think happened to the galaxy s5 google play edition that was teased on the android com website that's a really good question i don't know what ever happen to that I mean they had a full press in each other right maybe yeah I what's going on with google play editions in general right now they all seem to be disappearing yeah I don't know you know but at the same time those are mainly for developers so it could just be oh hey we aren't selling any ya know and plus how many developers just route the devices and throw the Oh basic android on there anyway right right or as you know they probably bought the nexus 5 when it came out and building apps on that gotcha okay let's see here Oh from sasha hall what are your thoughts on amazon buying twitch for 979 and everyone thought it would be Google instead well from what we hear google was talking to them but the talks fell through there was somebody else i heard was involved in the talks i can't remember who it was like a one-off mention that they had also talked to them was he yahoo am i making that up yahoo it was yahoo thank you hey but Yahoo's going around trying to buy everybody right now yeah I think it would have been good buy for Yahoo especially if they're trying to compete with YouTube on some level I think for amazon i think the big play here is going to be like this game purchase it on amazon buttons I mean you guessed early you've got 24 7 advertising for all these games that Amazon sells it just it makes sense now was it working 9 inherent 70 million dollars well hey I think nine hundred seventy million is pretty good considering the twitch numbers when you when you look at what was it last night a private equity firm invested in snapchat giving it a 10 billion dollar value snapchat I mean look it I think twitch twitch is entertaining it's awesome it's bringing in this whole new level of gaming and even eSports and snapchats I'm not even again to what I think about snapchat but no people use it but I think also if you look at it twitch for Amazon I'm curious if they if they want to sort of create their own ad network there which could extend to mobile obviously where you have twitch on mobile devices if you have it and then across other people's platforms I mean when you're viewing ads on your Xbox and stuff anybody wants in on that so amazon could enter where otherwise google would be you know I bet they they jump in real quick speaking of Amazon mobile for a moment shall we address these rumors that they only sold thirty thirty five senses I know my goodness talk about a long Wow yeah there's rumors that they only sold 35,000 fire phones which I mean does not surprise me given the reviews given what we've seen with that phone it actually just as I started that we got a question behalf from Saddam uh it's if it's a it's not a good phone that's me and that's why I got home prices awww exclusivity the exclusivity I think was a big boo-boo and that as absolutely no slam on eighteen t that is just a Gerald business thing you're you're narrowing your potential market down by millions right you know if they had opened this up I think a lot of the problem is Amazon's name is so associated with you know discounted products and they released the phone at a price that was like any other phone right I I think that was a lot of the problem if that phone had come in around the pricing of the one plus one I would have bought one that day right and would now regret it yeah and would regret it exactly what I and that's you know the software is cobbled there too I mean it's you you're not getting google play services you're not getting all the android apps that you could with a phone that cost the same price from somebody else and there aren't enough software features on the fire phone to make that to offset that problem right I mean and it feels very much like a oh we've now given you a tool that you can buy our stuff anywhere you want anytime yeah exactly and you can still do that from other phones it's like like you can always buy from amazon my gift amazon it up all the time when I'm shopping this you know Chuck a price right yeah you know so I I think that if those numbers are true I think Amazon's got a very large life it lesson that cost them a ton yeah but and you have to wonder how many phones that they build and now what are they going to I mean they have a what kind of contractor they have with ATT at what point can they say here this phones 350 bucks by it yeah I don't know it's I think there was a lot of factors contributing to these numbers if they're true right if they're true but I mean I mean that's really low but I also don't think they're selling like gangbusters I mean we know that so so they're they're probably not great either way yeah I who knows from Breton Franco is is t be going to test a boon to touch latest image on Nexus 5 maybe I hope you test it yeah it's there's so many things going on right now that's hard for us to find time to do all them unfortunately so it's quite possible and I will pass it on to the folks in Irvine who filmed the majority of the videos also from breasts and Franco I just want to address this for a second are you just fighting about phil fish definitely canceling foes to phil fish has made so many announcements that next week he could come back and go I change my mind at this point I don't harass anything Phil fish says no matter how definite ease as it is oh good one for you Todd from master guys 635 what do you think about the HTC One m8 for Windows and how do you think it will sell that's a really good question well we know it's coming to 18 tea too at some point after an exclusivity with verizon um I'm not sure how it's going to sell I me when you look at the windows phone market shared suggests that it's growing slowly and I think this is a really awesome piece of hardware for Windows Phone to exist on and I think it gives at least for HTC an awesome option to consumers they can choose Android if they want it and they can choose windows phone if they want it and they did a really good job that said I've talked to other people you know the industry some people really love it and some people don't like it because it lacks some of the requirements and other windows phones have right like the dedicated camera button it doesn't have that and I think you know for some people who are used to Windows Phone are upgrading to Windows Phone they might want that yeah but that's any you know nokia camera is not there and stuff like that but you do get HT won't if she sees a quite always get this mixed up there duo camera setup yeah it's pretty neat you get that you get the different effects that you can blow out the background stuff like that too but you can do that on Nokia's smartphones I think it's a really great device I don't know how well it's going to sell because I don't know how well windows phones are selling right now enjoy but it's a good option yeah but you know the thing is do you think that the issue with Windows Phone taking off has been a matter of lack of options for the handset or is it just that people are not that interest in the OS um I think it's been the OS because and that's that sort of drives this I mean like I don't know how well the HTC one's gonna sell because you know no key has been here making awesome handsets nokia phones are great but they're just not selling and i think that does come down to the OS the app gap is closing slowly I mean you do get some stuff that people really like but you're all so lacks a lot like I use pocket and there's you know for saved articles and stuff like that and there are third-party pocket options on windows phone but they cost you know to box and then there's there's no snapchat which I know some people actually care about I don't and that'll cost you a couple bucks for the competitors on Windows Phone they're built by somebody else I still think you know things like Instagram aren't as good on Windows Phone that's just me I just don't think that the whole interface looks is great and I also think you know there's lacking areas were like Foursquare which I think made a huge mistake splitting up for square into swarm and foursquare but like it's telling when this company right like they totally ignored windows phone with that update I mean they put swarm there but foursquare is silly old Foursquare and like I just like so confusing and it seems weird when you're going through the windows phone store and seeing like these legacy apps like did they just not care i mean like poet or something i don't know i just speaking to foursquare for a man I used to be an avid foursquare user yeah meets here badges so fun I've barely opened it since it became swarm I don't use it anymore actually switched to using Yelp more these days yeah I that was the biggest mistake from for a my payoff for him in the end but those of us that were loyal I couldn't care less now yeah I liked earning badges you know I immediately was made it was just fun it's like they mean anything no I didn't mean anything but it was gamification you know it that was a big thing for me heck remember kawal yeah wow thank you gar na Cola uh so one last question here I think this is really interesting one to end on from brezin Franco is the rise of Chinese manufacturers popularity going to affect the standard 700 about our price tag of flagships I hope so yeah you have to I mean blue one plus one is very much a phone that would cost seven hundred dollars from somebody else so I think so but we need when you look at the market share offered by Samsung and Apple I mean they're not I don't think those prices are coming down anytime soon but I do think the carriers are trying to move away from the current kind of subsidy model we see that with their you know switches to things like next and and edge on verizon and what everything where you pay like zero dollars down then 17 bucks a month is pay off the price of the phone I don't know yeah I think that's going to be a very interesting because it like you said with them moving away from the subsidies you know it's going to become that much more appealing to try a lower-cost phone and yeah while Samsung and Apple have this huge market share right now okay i can pay seventeen dollars a month for this poem or i can pay thirty-six dollars a month for this one right you're like yeah and that's going that may actually end up working in the advantage of these other manufacturers because instead of the subsidy price being 199 199 and the other price is being hidden this is much more up front now yeah and for whatever reason I mean we I've always said it's funny all have friends come up to me and be like you know should I I'm just gonna use this as an example should i buy the iphone 5c or the iphone 5s the 5s is 200 hours 5 c's half that at $99 and when they walk into the store that I've always said by the pedal tones gonna last you have a two-year contract rightly that your the monthly fees you're paying that hunted all our difference is negligible afternoon 14 months so I say by the better phone but still consumers are like well you know I don't have 200 bucks right now which is fine i'm not saying everybody should have 200 bucks but now with this new pricing model go in at zero dollars down and you can pay thirty seven dollars next month and the next month or the next month and then it doesn't seem you know as expensive and then carriers when I mean because you're selling mortgage that's the phone to you yeah but you know you have the moto x was a great example of a lower-priced phone now you have the oneplus one I think we're gonna see Huawei we're going to see Joe me all these players come into the market at lower price tags and maybe that will force the other competitors but I'm not so sure that they're shaking in their boots because they have such huge market shares exactly well folks that's going to bring episode 22 an N we thank you all for Johnny ins as always you can find us on the itunes store by 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