Gadgetory

and welcome to the twenty eighth episode of the techno Buffalo show I'm one of your to host for today Sean ani I'm the editor-in-chief of the site and I'm joined by executive editor mobile Todd Hazleton everybody are you doing today Todd I'm good great you're looking very sporty and yepi and yeah I know I finally went and got some winter clothes the other day when I was told you i was at pepboys getting an oil change so I had to walk around the mall which I never do I was like any sweaters and stuff it's been cold here but that's actually pepboys a whole plot there they have a profit sharing program with all the stores probably the key p and the ball as long as humanly possible exactly yeah it's all a big conspiracy it really did tho i mean i think i was there for like two and a half hours like come on so we'll change and they and i had an appointment you know on our own story well i think well only there was an app that could just change your oil for you yeah see but unfortunately we're not starting yeah maybe in the contest you're going to be judging yeah that's right we can talk about that a little yes yes um tell everyone i know buffalo teaming up with the MTA in new york city which is the public transit authority here and then with AT&T and i think New York Polytechnic again this year and we did the same thing last year and basically over several months app developers who want to get access to all this data and this year they're opening up historic bus times historic train times and they're even working with transit wireless and some beacons and so developers can use all these tools and create new apps for commuters whether it's like you know getting around the subway station easier and with beacons hopefully you know you can see exactly like where you are in a subway I hope somebody comes up with that and then so last year was in May we judged a hackathon where they had 24 hours to create this app and then I've one that I can't believe they made it in 24 hours and basically just allowed you to find the performers in the subways and their music and like in New York City these the subway performers are all professional musicians so they're really good so you might want to find that and then the winner was City mapper which is now like a hugely popular iOS and Android applications it you know surpassed New York City it's everywhere at Earth in a lot of major cities so this year they have better tools and we'll be doing the same thing judging and it should be really exciting actually I was just going to say now if somebody could come up with a beacon based app that helps you avoid the panhandlers yeah right like panhandler here man it's kind of like ways for paid handlers yeah but it's amazing like so imagine I don't think the well the subway data should help because it's gathered so frequently that you should have an idea of like live subway trains but with the busses especially even last year you can see like on a map like the bus coming down which is really really neat I just you know this year they have access to even more data so i can't wait to see what they come up comes out of it all right I think that's really cool and when's the final judging um I think last year it ended in September so I suspect around the same time although i don't know if it's a full year we'll see i have to check the calendar very cool yeah i hope you have fun with it i hope some people come up with some great apps rita to judge yeah but moving on into the world of the news for the week I cannot believe how much we're hearing about the galaxy s6 I know it seems like every day there's something else and it you know if my first cup reaction was wow it's pretty early for that but if you think about it it's really not right it's November and then I'm just thinking like in terms of big trade shows coming up we have CES which is going to you know these years it's mostly TVs and stuff and I think the z1s came out last year from Sony for t-mobile yes own acknowledges the phone there yeah and then we have mobile world congress which is typically but this year it's in march early mar and the rumors are saying that Samsung's going to release the galaxy s6 a month ahead of time in march this year which means that i mean to me that tells me that they're going to release it and announcing the same month possibly march or there's just a mix-up along the lines and and you know instead of februari because Mobile World Congress isn't in February it's in march this year and that's simply when Samsung is going to announce it and then release it in April as it always does but in any case lots of rumors saying it might have two curved sides that was from an analyst but to me it it it does make a little sense considering the Galaxy Note edge is out there it takes advantage of the edge Sipan really well and Samsung's building up a developer base for this so I think if they're going to push it why not push it with another flagship and so maybe maybe it's just a special edition of the galaxy s6 maybe it's a guess six edge I don't know where the actual s6 will have that and then I think two versions of the processor they're saying 64-bit XE nose makes sense given lollipop support 64-bit processors or Snapdragon 810 and and then storage option somebody said like 128 gate up to which I think we discuss on earlier show which be wild you can put 256 gigs of storage of phone well yeah so it sounds like it's gonna be exciting but my bigger question is what in the world happened to 2014 yeah yeah it's almost over how are we already discussing see us and Mobile World Congress I mean then we just get back from CES it seems like it and now it's gone right back into it but I think I booked my flight already yeah I still need to do that super exciting times for protected but this year never really slowed down right like we would say like oh maybe this month it'll be a little slower than last and just like month after month left your mother gets slamme hey this was easily the craziest year i've ever seen for announcements in for new I've always planned my vacation for later November because that's a quiet period I'm almost nervous that something's going to come up right you know what's even more sorry I cut you off oh no good for me what's even more incredible is that you know it once it was say phones and tvs I'm just you know being really simple here but now it's and then it was phones and tablets and TVs and stuff and now it's like phones and tablets and TVs and wearables and feel like there's just more and more and more and you know once upon a time it was printers to do but we're not really I don't think anyone cares about those anymore but you know yeah dad and all the video game news that comes out right is no longer just III or gamescom it's just all throughout the year there's gaming news coming out and it's just it's mind-boggling to me just how much stuff is coming out these days it's nuts but yeah an elaborate you're right i mean with march isn't that far away so if this truly is the plan for the s6 it makes sense that we're starting to hear about it i did i'll be really interested to see because this really it's saying seems like it's shaping up to be the first of the new design language the first of the new strategy of not releasing a phone every three weeks yeah right yeah yeah because that's what samsung had said you know following the last earnings its phone sales aren't where they want them to be anymore you're gonna start with projects euro i guess is the rumor that's supposed to be the galaxy s6 and i think we'll see them continue to move forward with these Galaxy alpha galaxy note 4 style devices with the nice metal edges feel real premium just hopefully a new strategy in that direction which is why yesterday we saw just concept images that were posted by 3g UK um and at first it was like uh you know like that's easy just you know take it take a galaxy alpha and make it bigger but i think there's also you know some truth to those images because if samsung if say the galaxy alpha was sort of like experiments are like to get things up and running then you know it's really plausible i think that will see the galaxy s6 take shape in that kind of form yeah oh definitely it'll be interesting to see where this goes speaking of sixes mmm the Nexus 6 yeah you wrote a great editorial yesterday about where is this thing yeah like what's going on well and then after you left yesterday we got the news that t-mobile was going to have to delay its launch because it didn't get it shipment mm-hmm I saw that yeah what is going on with this phone where is it yes oh I thought this was a good question one of our colleagues texted me while I was hanging out at pepboys in the mall and said you know basically Google can't keep this thing in stock right motorola can't keep it in stock google can't you can't find anywhere it's not carrier stores yet they're only taking pre-orders or pushing it back like what's going on if this was Apple people would be up in arms and saying like this is ridiculous what's going on with that whole like you know they gotta get their stuff together and I said my Quick Reaction answer was well Google doesn't control manufacturing in Apple does and apples more of a hardware company and Google's not Google's focused on search and software and stuff like that it doesn't build its own hardware so it relies on its manufacturing partners and the answer was like well that you know still Google should have the power to say hey motorola you know make these handsets and make them available we wanted for everybody so I thought that's a good point too um and I really don't have an answer but then I thought well maybe it could be a transitional period for motorola you know the deal with Lenovo just closed so lenovo is probably trying to figure out like how they're handling manufacturing what they're doing with their the response back was but this has happened every year with nexus devices and that's true it has it's written really hard to find like save last year Nexus 5 every year it's been difficult and and I thought well maybe it's just been difficult because they were low priced and for people like ourselves enthusiasts is jumping out buying them all and saying he'll great price I'm gonna buy this but then finally I think it's also that Google doesn't want to step on the toes of other OEMs right so they don't I don't think google always positions this as a platform for other mini fact cheers to base their designs awful fright like here's what you can do with it if you want to but I don't really think that's the case anymore and I think more and more as people are say and even Google is targeting this as a consumer device right like it's being sold in Best Buy's being slowed by carriers it's being sold with the nexus player in these outlets Android wear it's really just showing this whole ecosystem of devices and so I think that to be careful and this is just you know putting on tin foil hat Google doesn't want to step on Samsungs toes or anybody else's toes and have consumers think well like well this is the device you should buy ignore those folks because there's still huge hugely valuable partners especially samsung on that end and in LG and you know everybody else it sells products with Google Play services so I think that's the point to that Google is trying to be probably pretty cautious and not say like hey here's the high-end flagship you should buy versus a note for and in the end it's probably smart because I don't think Google's making more off of a nexus 6 than it is off of a new floor I don't know the truth in that but you know it's Motorola's device well then here's the question I mean and I tend to agree with you they don't want to anger the OEMs why even keep doing the Nexus line then yeah well I think that's sort of that's sort of the point at least when I had meetings with google recently in New York City we walked in and saw um let's see i want to say we sat down and saw the nexus player and it's like here's google in the living room and all of your apps and your movies that you've purchased right and then we walked over and we saw Android wear devices here's google on your wrist and everything you can do connected to your phone then we walked over to all the next six here's google on your phone then we saw Nexus 9 here's google on your tablet and i think it's just about showing like google has an ecosystem it's gonna tap partners and show you how it imagines this should work and in this case it's lollipop years lollipop and android wear and everything across the board and we have manufacturers that can do this too and i think that's the point but i think in some ways it's just the nexus line sort of their consumer facing google in you know in best pie they have a section this is like you know here's this and often you'll find other Android tablets right there too but I think it's really just like sort of the I don't want to see benchmark but the you know the clean slate this is what we're offering and then our partners can offer more in some cases or similar or whatever but that's my take on anyway I don't know it's interesting you know I I just wonder if maybe the frustration level that everyone's feeling that you know from the people that do want to buy nexus 6 and they're having trouble buying it yeah like yeah like you said yesterday in your article you know if this happened with Apple everyone would be livid you know and apple stock would collapse now I mean admittedly this is a very very small portion this is nothing compared to the problem Google's having this morning with the double-click servers for a half exactly yeah that's a slightly bigger problem so I don't know it's just it's been interesting to watch and the fact that t-mobile didn't get its full shipment it makes you wonder what's going to happen with sprint and 18 tea and everybody else so I don't know it's been interesting it sounds like already has ears cuz they're already promising stock like later this week right i think friday oh yeah they're promising but yeah we'll see they will see how much is there oh yeah yeah in every store it's kinda like when you read those black friday ads real close to it says seven per store anyway right yeah terrible yeah some of those awesome deals I've seen it you know then you would read the fine print six per store hey right yeah at least Walmart's promising you know a one hour guarantee but yeah which is good and then but I saw like they're one hour guarantee and I think we have it up on the side of coming soon but they're one hour guarantee is like I guess you can buy it but then it's like promised before Christmas or something though you they give you a raincheck and so when it comes in again you can still get the Black Friday price perfect okay that's awesome yeah and speaking of Sasha Mahal has a question is it worth going black friday shopping oh but it depends on what you need I mean there's some great deals what Walmart selling what like a 55 inch TV for 200 something bucks the thing to remember about those though a lot of times special model right there a special model that's only for black friday usually like the model number will end in BF and they've done something to it it's not quite what you're expecting on televisions i honestly would not do by friday but for things like say a gaming system if you know if you've got ps4 but you want xbox one and vice versa I mean there's gonna be some massive deals going on on game consoles yeah the parties were great like comes with two free games or crazy now that being said I used to do black friday I used to you know go to walmart at three in the morning and wait in line and everything else and now I leave the country yeah that's great III land in manchester on black friday morning and I just ignore them I like two years ago I had my mother order a grand theft auto four for me on Amazon that was my my last involvement a Black Friday can be great depend on what you're looking for just use your best sense i mean if you're going after a known product to product that can't be messed with you know be an ipad error game console video game whatever this way the money savings versus your time and your stress now so I don't know it's a tough question it just depends it's definitely a younger person's game I feel ya I've never done it and I don't know oh I guess I become yeah i got my parents a laptop one year at walmart because if they needed a laptop up in 89 it was a ridiculous laptop I was like fine I'll go three in the morning and wait in line and the store was not going to have 15 of them and I got like the fifth one I think right but yeah it just it's a matter of how much is your time worth alright so that's always a big question for me on anything but alright so going through some of the other questions here interesting one from sahaja what Fitness wearables do you guys wear I currently don't wear one I wear a pebble right now but I am considering picking up an up 24 before I go on vacation on this Heather yeah a varian he's absolutely in love with it and I'm and I keep going back and forth do I really need this in my life they're cool um and I feel like they still do a bit more especially thank you for trying to manage like what you're eating you can add all that and software right now I don't you watch our would you still at a review and but it tells me like a general idea of how much I've moved throughout the day my favorite to date was the jawbone up I've oh I still have my eye on the up24 myself actually difference between this was the added Bluetooth functionality the other one you had to plug into your phone to upload the data all the time um I don't know but we'll see coming up it looks like there's a lot Fitbit just announced several surgical the thing is it doesn't tie in with apple health kit which Apple obviously doesn't like as it pulled Fitbit from its stores and not that it matters I mean you can use it with other platforms to you and the app still works and all that but if you wanted you know everything in apple health kit you won't get it with the Fitbit products and then what misfit has a really know what's their their cheapest one it's like 50 bucks and those work pretty yeah and they have really great battery life but again no Bluetooth functionality which for me I can't it's manual it's not all the time yeah I I just said I haven't dived into there but I'm starting to look at it I really don't want to know what how it rates my sleep I know I don't sleep well but I don't know something to think about but currently neither of us weird them on a regular basis but maybe down the road uh let's see here what awesome we got from Benjamin MacDonald what do you think about the nexus 9 you and I were discussing this just before the show yeah um well we reviewed it and we pray sit in our review in some areas and knocked it in others the software experience is great it's a great way to get into lollipop and it runs it really well its got the Tegra k1 processor handles and everything's super smooth super quick on our units though the back depressed is a bit on the Nexus logo it the black unit gets really fingerprint see especially like to just the screen the back to the front facing speakers are great they're not like super high quality but it's nice having them on the front I just felt like it didn't live up to HTC's industrial design standards we've long come to expect so the greatest hardware from HTC and yet here this comes out and just doesn't feel like it lives up to to what you get from HTC in in a by-product really hey I've got mine here and the screens not great and it leaks really badly oh yeah it's leaking at the bottom of mine right now I I don't know I mean luckily I picked it up on the HTC deal for two hundred dollars four hundred dollars yeah 200 bucks great tablet I'm not sure I you know yeah it's hard for me to knock it at two hundred dollars yeah and we were talking before the show one of our favorite or other favorite android tablets is the Nvidia shield tab front-facing speakers tiger k 1 processor they've promised lollipop is coming and they have a focus on games if you like that so like it's a little smaller but I think overall like the build quality everything there too me is more attractive unless you need the bigger screen and need pure absolutely pure law lollipop guaranteed quick updates and stuff like that well I guess they're not really guarantee any more right like that's out that it has he got my nexus 7 from last really should yeah right but yeah just continue tradition devices in Shawn's hand uh it looks like a phone but I so yeah I ain't it's a decent tablet I don't like it as much as the nexus 7 yeah I like the nexus 7 it was sort of unique like it felt like a book we've said that in the passage I like the form factor better mm-hmm leticia wrong and and I am excited to try the the keyboard accessory we haven't played with that yet and see how well it does for work and stuff like if I can actually use this to write blog posts stuff I'd you know I'd find a lot more value in it that's just my guess no I totally agree with you uh from michael van houte i hope i said your name correctly Michael do you guys think the nexus 6 camera is good mainly because of the hardware or because the new camera API and lollipop the nexus 5 had decent hardware camera wise but performed average so i can't speak really well to the camera on the nexus 6 we're still working on our review but i would guess its a mix of both to be honest I know Google's tried to put a focus on the camera api's and the hardware should be up to snuff but I honestly haven't played with it it's out in irvine long enough to like make a judgment call on that so i really don't have an answer but if it falls in the same footsteps as last year and it's not great hopefully google does issue updates and fixes it but I'm hoping it's good out of the box yeah I I would imagine it's a combination of things because the camera on the Nexus 5 was probably one of the biggest complaints yeah out of the box and then they got better yeah yeah exactly ah let's see what else have we got here but uh here's a good question from Sasha Mahal about what will 2015 be the year of wearables I think I mean I think it's just getting started everything is so so new in the wearable space everybody's still trying to get off the ground but I think we're starting to see real use cases we're starting to see mass adoption where like you know it's not just early adopters anymore and this is I'm talking wearables and that means fitness trackers and stuff and then you know I think as people used to those or C value and that maybe they will start to see smart watches too but I think smart watches conversely are very much in their infancy in general I think this will be a bigger year for wearables across the board I I think though we still okay so we know the Apple watch is coming next year and that should push wearables in the SmartWatch space more into the mainstream and more into the public consciousness I am still not one hundred percent convinced that the public wants smartwatches and wearables right it's just there won't be a niche for them but do you think that the mass market the average Joe walking down the street gives a hoot about smartwatches yet no not at all i think they just look at I'm like oh that's cool I believe I can never change yeah I think it can change but it relies on I think two major factors like through a there's no huge killer app for the SmartWatch yet tracking could really boost that killer up um but it's gonna have to be really good and really accurate and we don't see that yet and be I don't think battery life is even close to where it needs people need to be able to put this on the wrist and not worry about it in the sense that the pebbles kind of there but not really right like it's still not perfect I think no to get my mom I'd say to wear no yeah i mean i basically it needs to have good i keep losing it for a little bit there Todd so that that's why I keep breaking up I basically where the the pebble is a notification thing ooh hey there is no one killer app on the pebble that makes me go oh I have to wear my pebble know it's just it's a nicety to me to be able I'm typing to go okay I got an email from so-and-so okay I got text message yeah mm-hmm and that that's about it and so I just I don't see Joe and Jane Smith that's what going oh I couldn't live without my SmartWatch right exactly like I when I wear my regular watch instead of a SmartWatch rarely do I stay ah man if only I had you know my android wear on today I think that's changing is getting better and especially during a busy work day it's a lot more valuable to me like I see no need for Android wear on the weekends right so if you don't need it all the time then like why why are people going to be spending you know three hundred dollars and more on these products I think it needs to have real real life value like I can't the same way a smartphone is like when you first bought your first smartphone you were like whoa I've been missing out on this for so long like I can't live without a smartphone in that kind of sense like when are we gonna hit that level of I can't live without a wearable I don't see that this year but who knows it he like very 70 to 90 yeah right yeah mine was the samsung blackjack on singular whoo windows yeah so yeah I to his question yeah I do I think wearables are going to be the big focus in 2015 I don't see smartphones changing that much tablets I think are pretty much and let's let's actually let's discuss that for just half a second the we we've been tearing a lot about you falling ipad sales and all that and I know we've touched on this before but in general how oft as a person need to upgrade their tablet yeah like not that often I mean fruit I get it like when you add in a 2x processor and it's like this is amazing for photo and video editing and gaming you know with metal and all kinds of stuff then you might like a small select population might be like I need that tablet but for the rest of us who use the iPad in bed for magazine reading for books for email and for messaging there is no real need to upgrade and and not for many years and I think for that to change you know you need we need to change the use case scenarios of these tablets and I think that's why we see Apple Samsung a lot of people targeting the enterprise because for example we saw yesterday a report on Apple hiring a new sales team didn't target the enterprise it's seeming up with IBM and I think that that's that can help you know boost those sales where otherwise it wasn't selling much of anything at all like I know okay like the iPads in enterprise where you know that but it's not there's not a huge support system in place and that's what's going to change with that book here for enterprise they offer twenty four seven support they have you know guide it's a woman you know a team member assigned to every team to help you deploy this and I think that's where you start to see especially in a demanding place where say Enterprise need something for modeling or something then maybe they do need to upgrade more frequently at least more frequently than a consumer that's using it for email at home I don't know the answer but I think as as we rely on tablets more for more than just regular stuff then we'll start to see you know annual adoptions seem to be more necessary but when you think about it we only upgrade phones every two years to if you're on a contract I mean people like you and I upgrade more frequently that foot regular effort and computers to my desktop ears I mean it's desperately in need of a swap out but I think they go you know about three years so yeah no se but yeah I like I'm not a degree you know I've got the the last 17-inch macbook pro which was 2011 it still it has a couple issues i might just swap the hard drive out in but in general I have no burning desire to upgrade so I don't know why people are so freaking out about the idea that apple's not selling as many ipads as it did a year ago that doesn't mean the tablet market is dead I've seen people got a wallet you know maybe tablets weren't what we all thought they were no I think they are I just think you all have to get used to the idea we don't need to upgrade them every single year right yeah ok it's almost like like a catch-22 too because you buy a tablet from apple and you're gonna get the latest software update at least in its gonna at least work on tablets say about a year to wool right in about two years yeah whereas the older I passes work as well and so so especially you don't need to upgrade like if Apple said ok iOS 8 here it is it's amazing it offers all these new features but it's only available on the new devices well then maybe people would be more willing to upgrade and resell there are other ones and there would be a totally different idea but I think everybody's glad that apple doesn't do that and nobody does it I mean Samsung's video issuing updates to its older tablets a lot of me HTC has they're not yet a promise for some I don't know if they have it for well I guess this is their first tablet right in a long time so first time about a long time but if they issue other tablets hopefully they have the 90 day guarantee that's yeah yeah exactly a good question here from saha raja and this is definitely more in your ball court uh what is the point of 64-bit yes i think it in me I saw this question and I was trying to think more about it but it should enable more powerful applications to run at the same time and better take advantage of memory I'm if I'm remembering correctly on how 64bit works and we saw that obviously with the move from 32-bit to 64-bit windows and now it's happening on on Android but in order for everybody to take advantage of it I'm almost certain that app developers also have to design their apps to run on 64-bit processors so I think hopefully it just means that everything is going to run smoother you get more powerful apps and it can handle it better on a processor I guess that's the simplest answer ok this just came across Twitter from a chart a big tip caen excuse me Samsung's Hong says global wearable market will grow to 135 million in 2018 from 22 million in 2014 seems plausible as they get more I mean I'm just think I'm more shocked that they think that they sold 22 million wearables in 2014 yeah is this their own bundle deals too which makes it more desirable but if you think about it 122 million that's what a 30 United States you get III could see i guess the entire wearable market globally and that's if they're being sold everywhere yeah i mean it seems plausible if it's a 22 now that's only five times right yeah this is not a question but it's a commentary on what we were just saying about tablets from Scott OTT I want I want to want an ipad air 2 but I can't want to it's frustrating I no longer need something between my Moto X my imac and kindle paperwhite I do have a first gen ipad that used for words with friends in an occasional I book that's a good point we have so many other devices now I think that tablets not just iPads but tablets in general they have to fill a very specific task for you mm-hmm you know like my iPad yes I use it for some work stuff but it's primarily an entertainment device for me especially when I'm on a plane but I don't think everybody you know if you have a laptop and a phone or a desktop and a phone not all those people need a tablet right hey I keep thinking now that I have the iphone 6 plus like I don't really need the ipad me although I like having the slightly bigger screen and I'm like man now I kind of want the ipad air 2 and maybe I'll get rid of the mini it's it's hard and I understand where you know you're talking from on that too and this applies sorry I also have the note 4 in the nexus 9 so like I it's same situationally I don't know where I want to go with this and i also like smaller tablets so it's it's tough for me i really want a tablet that i can actually work on and i have it a lot of people say that you can really do that with the ipad air 2 and i think you know for a lot of some industries where you're doing email and obviously working with words and stuff like that which is now free then you could do it but for me I guess it's really hard to like blog and stay in touch with everybody on chat and get worked on like a multitasking for me just isn't right there yet I can do it with the surface pro 3 but it's also you have thousand bucks yeah exactly from Dominique Weber what do you think about the feel a landing which is the comet lady I think it's insanely exciting i am a little concerned the harpoons didn't fire they're trying to figure that out right now considering that the the probe is up there for 10 years you know it the fact that one thing has gone wrong sublime it's yeah unfortunately that's a rather important thing because I helps anchor it to the comet so they're trying to figure that out right now but I think this is a massive step forward for space exploration and I I can't wait to see where we go from here yeah I was incredible it's it's weird to think about right you just land it on comet yeah i know crazy from joey davidson he sent this a link to me while we've been on the show so i haven't had a chance to watch it yet have you guys seen the new samsung rap video should technobuffalo only do videos and rap for me out um I saw it simple we I couldn't watch e yeah I don't I'm trying to envision him at my and jon rettinger rapping and it's it's not pretty yeah pretty at all I guess for our viewers it's titled is it is this talent management thing I assume samsung sustainability report 2014 talent management google that on youtube that looks like what it is i can't watch it happens and i want people to hear yes but we will watch that but no I don't think TechnoBuffalo be going to wrap only videos anytime soon oh please no from Dominique Weber do you think Apple stop releasing new iPads every year now that sales are down I think they could skip the ipad mini this year for sure yeah but I feel like they're like oh here's such ID and we'll make it as an option I think maybe I don't see it happening but they need to start showing us why there needs to be upgrades and I think that's why the rumors of the ipad pro makes sense with multitasking functionality if you can run two apps side by side again people like me don't want to carry a macbook air everywhere what you said man I'm not complaining it's not a heavy device but if you if I could just take my tablet you know wait for the weekend and I need to do some work or something like that then maybe this is the sort of the device I'm looking for and so I think if they can fill a gap each year then they should continue releasing them but in the case where you're not really filling a massive gap then I think this is going to continue because there's no read you know there's no reason for us upgrade which is sort of what we've been doing yeah from Sasha Mahal who's the nexus player for especially if someone already has a chromecast apple TV and or Roku player and how does this come back to gadget overload I glad well first off I think most people only need one streaming device and the your average consumer at most is only going to buy one they're not going to be like me who I have a fire TV you have everything I well that's when I cover so I do yes I even have a fire stick on order you know it's nice ridiculous but I think it's for just like the apple TV is for people there are locked into the apple ecosystem the Nexus player is for those people that have chosen to go with the Google Play ecosystem yep you know it's it's exactly that's exactly and it adds functionality over the chromecast so I think I mean it includes everything the chrome pass does and then it has its own app store you know it's quick access to the movies you've already purchased so it's not necessarily going through your phone your tablet it's all right there you can add a controller play games it's sort of like people who really like the chromecast or invested in Android and want something a little bit more and it's also not just so this is just again we come comes back to a reference platform this is just a reference for Android TV which other manufacturers can create so we're going to see I'm certain other other versions of this and it's also going to be built into future TV so I wouldn't be surprised at CES that we start to see TVs with android TV built-in so it's not just necessarily for people it's sort of where it sort of androids next step in the living room and whether you buy it or not as a totally different question but it's where it's going exactly and last question for the day from Sasha Mahal what do you think of the Amazon echo I have no idea what they're aiming this at I made a joke on twitter i put a i put an iphone with Siri on top of a paper towel roll and said i just got it and it's not just Syria like I you can say Cortana and Google now too but for me that's that's what I thought about it I was like what the heck is this big old Bluetooth speaker that you know you address and say hey Alexa you know what's the weather or whatever but I think in the future the goal is and we see this right now you can add things to your amazon shopping list so you buy it later and i think in the future you'll say hey you know Alexa buy me some eggs and hopefully they won't show up cracked like mine did this morning thanks fresh direct but like but I think that's it like a direct portal voice right into amazon store amazon by media chromecast already has your account you know you want it if you have prime it'll be here in two days like why would i have to go computer I think that's where it's going to be important but it's not there yet so right now it's just sort of this smart home voice console they can listen to you and play music and stuff like that the idea is neat but I also think that my gut reaction is that maybe amazon is keeping this limited to you know interested parties are they have to sign up like where else in the world you sign up for interest to buy something like in the extreme luxury car market like where else and you know but not in gadgets and I think maybe amazon is just gauging this to see where the demand is before it goes all kinds of nuts on it like it did with the fire phone which it took a bath on so that's nice I I don't know I mean yeah I registered for an echo simply because we'll need you know one for review and so on but I registered to do with it I just don't know about L hey Alexa you know order me a chromecast like you said I don't know much mand that's what I keep asking like do we really need that is that how we're gonna shop in the future maybe i don't know but i can't i don't know i did like it's weird to think about like am I gonna because it has like a whole room I can sit here and say like oh that you keep out hey uh Lex old Ernie the Nexus 6 you know I'll be like yeah mmm like is that gonna work is that something people wanted you yeah I maybe not but at least it's trying I'm gonna have to see it in action before I make any sort of final decision on it but right and it be clear that's not how it's gonna work at the start it's like you can add it to your shopping list start that's just yeah which is why I think it's kind of pointless right I agree well that is going to do it for this week's episode of the type of Buffalo show as always we appreciate you joining us you can find this on the itunes store by searching for the TechnoBuffalo show and we 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