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and welcome to episode 40 of the tech my Buffalo show as always I'm I'm your host for this week Shaun ani editor-in-chief of techno Buffalo and i'm joined by deputy managing editor Todd Hazleton everybody are you doing today Todd I'm good you tehe good yeah I was just gonna say you you have a new addition to your family i do i just got a mini dachshund puppy and she's in my lap in case you seen anything yes sleeping that's the only reason I wanted to bring it up in case you see Todd looking down a lots because there's a very small puppy who's asleep right now yeah but so on this week's episode and just for a little bit of clarification Todd and I you know each week we talked the day before the show you about what we want to discuss and we will be bringing up the s6 and the s6 edge but the reason we decided not to make them the focus this week is that we've already talked about them extensively so we will be bringing them up but we wanted to do something a little bit different there's been a lot going on this week and last week as well about the state of the streaming media industry and you know there's been all sorts of new studies and I find it fascinating what one of the facts that came out there there was a big study done by Nielsen where a lot of this comes from and one of the big facts that came out that just blew my mind was that netflix has that now more subscribers than HBO yeah that's unreal I just blown away by that and the numbers estimate that there's 40 million Netflix subscribers and there's 30 million HBO subscribers and that puts Netflix in thirty-six percent of the homes in the United States yeah I that's just mind-boggling to me because I mean you know as I go out I talked to people I often do you ever have anyone say did you catch such and such on Netflix not often but i think the latest i've heard is like have you seen you know peaky blinders it's on netflix no go watch that but i haven't had like no like where i guess you could say house of cards but nobody really says that it's always like oh like HBO Game of Thrones you know it's weird exactly he's getting popular because sorely getting in that market yeah because as I think back you had shows like The Sopranos of course the wire uh you know now Game of Thrones you know you hear people talking about those all the time but you and yes you heard yes like the reason I bought each view yeah house of cards is the exception you do hear people discussing that but you don't really hear very many people discussing like peaky blinders or which actually will now see peaky blinders and just to get all correct hear first hand grinders was Netflix here in the US it aired on television in the UK right right right right and whenever I go over there you know around Christmas time they put all these DVD sets out for massive discount sale for the Christmas season man were they pushing peaky blinders last year I couldn't go in any store without seeing the peaky blinders DVD set wow that's interesting because you know I never even heard of it until someone here was like it's on netflix pretty good show they stumbled across it yeah I haven't had a chance to watch it at my folks watched it and they absolutely loved it yeah lucky but uh I did I just I watched all of unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt um which I really enjoyed that one fascinating me because that that's a great example of Netflix being a whole new system that was a show that was supposed to be on NBC had been announced for MVC and was put on the schedule and then they pulled it after the pilot episode and released it oh say you know go do what you want with it we're not going to pick it up and Netflix immediately swooped in and said we'll give you two seasons right and so that was now technically a netflix original it was not developed by Netflix interesting you know what's really neat to about this and you can see why Netflix is taking often it's because it costs you know 79 98 99 whatever a month and you don't obviously you don't eat cable but with HBO until they made that announcement with Apple during the spring forward event in the Apple TV you know you had to have cable and then you could buy HBO unless you get somebody's HBO Go password in which case you know the CEO said he didn't even care people were sharing him because he said we're in the business of addiction which is amazing but you can see why I mean maybe HBO's numbers will pick up once people don't you cable well and see now the thing with HBO now that I find so frustrated I I'm fascinated by the concept but you know if it come in at stated like 999 I would have picked it up immediately but you know we're hearing 1499 that's just too much to me for one channel that is primarily yes it does have shows like games with Game of Thrones and you know the backlog like true blood and all that but at the core it's still good to be a channel that shows movies that I didn't want to watch when I paid for it on cable right exactly exactly i think it's a little too high priced I mean especially if you're a cord cutter and you're paying for say you know Netflix and then you're also paying for sling TV and then you add an HBO now and then all of a sudden you know you're still paying a lot of money it's not as cheap as it looks and sure you're picking the channels but you're also missing the ones which I actually like to do sometimes on TV I just you know go through the channels and see what's on and you know maybe there's a fishing show on discovery channel and I kind of like that about having a huge oh well that's yeah that's one of my problems at night you know whenever I go up there to go to bed I always you know I'm going to watch something on Netflix or Hulu before i go to sleep and that there's something to be said for just story on the TV and they're already being something there it's all end up spending 10 to 15 minutes flipping through going and i want to watch that how long is it exactly that's my problem yeah yeah exactly you know you know now of course tight you know i do use my watch list extensively but still yo you're looking well okay well that's that's 43 minutes that's a little bit longer than i'll probably be awake yeah you know it takes forever by the time you're dead deciding you could have finished whatever you're going to end up watching exactly i'm spent you know a half hour with my wife like you know what movie should we watch on netflix we're going through and like all right let's just put on the TV yeah see what's on yeah exactly now what was interesting though also about the study is that not only did we find out you know kind of and no these numbers are official by the way this was a study so the thirty-six percent of homes in the u.s. having not flex that that's an estimate but Nielsen's known for getting that sort of stuff correct but we are optimally she also found out that they are okay I'm sorry yeah I saw me freeze I hoped it wasn't happening on your side so anyway real quickly thirteen percent of homes have amazon prime six and a half percent half who now of those though what it also found out that was only ten percent of subscribers subscribe to two or more and only two-point-six percent subscribe 23 or more intercell i I'm of the two point six percent although includes amazon prime now because I've got netflix and amazon prime people are probably right in the scene but right but yeah what my guess is a lot of people probably don't realize they have amazon prime hmm because the numbers don't match up with how many amazon prime customers there are right so I think that I think that on that number it's a little shaky but you know people that actually access amazon prime it's ten point six percent okay oh ten percent yeah it's true i mean i hadn't even um really gone into instant streaming stuff until I found out that workaholics the TV show I really like is on Prime and then I went through and I was like well there's a ton of stuff but yeah I don't know if I don't find you know it is welcoming as Netflix maybe no it's not I fully agree to you and a lot of that is the way their menus set up mmm it's nowhere ZZ so like if I you know let's say I go to house of cards on netflix you know it comes up and shows me season 1 season 2 season 3 all right there with Amazon you have to go find each individual season right ayo now once you get into a season you know I've got currently and I've always admitted this I work out to cartoons because you don't have to think ah so i'm currently working my way through super me in the animated series and i put season one in my watch list and now once I've got that my watch list now I can navigate to the other seasons right you know that way but it's the Amazon interfaces know where is welcoming as Netflix is for sure and who's that interface is not welcoming at all yeah I don't use hulu on origin I just haven't been real big hula fan for that reason and the ads and stuff no now the other day when you and I were talking though you said that you're not a big TV watcher yeah so I on estimate how many hours a day would you say you watch television Oh minutes honest I mean on average because I don't usually turn on the TV um at night i'll probably put on a movie for the most part but i'd say you know under an hour for sure well the nielsen study found that the person people without streaming media watch an average of one hour and 57 minutes a day people with streaming watch an hour over average of two hours and 45 minutes a day that's really interesting and easy because there's no ads i want and i think it's no ads it's also it's just so easy to go oh one more episode oh yeah that's exactly right oh I'll just cannot hit in one more episode yeah but now the number what's really interesting though and shows that this is definitely having an impact is that traditional TV viewing is down ten percent in the past few years hmm so yeah people are definitely moving towards the streaming model right which is why you can see he should be a wine to go off on its own and all these services you know slim TV for example seeing that means and hey we'll hear that market well I think though that also speaks to it came out yesterday in a new york times article that netflix last year spent 243 million dollars on original programming this year it's estimated to go up by eighty eight percent to 450 million dollars wow that is a lot of money to be spent it on original programming yeah but I mean you can see it works because I feel like a lot of people were we're hearing about house of cards they're like oh I got to get netflix and stuff like that so it's you know bringing people into that ecosystem right you do hear about orange is the new black but I mean then their shows like you know my my family loves lillehammer probably because we're partially Norwegian it takes place in Norway and what's interesting that this is really really interesting in this came from another study they read that lillehammer does not do that well here in the US for Netflix but over in Norway where Netflix is seventy percent of Netflix subscribers watch Lillehammer Wow huh so while it may not be doing great here it's doing great in other territories right you know so it's it netflix is always going to be a strange beast and how to measure it yeah but that's the thing that's compelling to because birch is a cable network where you know you're against a new york city and you have two other competitors let's say it's verizon fios time warner cable and comcast and you have you know maybe one has some exclusive content or the others and so they get subscribers but then you have this global sort of approach here where Netflix can you know they can launch something and be like well maybe it's going to be popular you know over in Norway and won't be the US and that's fine yeah millions of viewers yeah exactly well we're getting quite a few questions here about streaming media and no I have not forgotten thank you to such an ball for sitting me an audio file that told me how to pronounce his name finally at least I had the last name correct but yes happy birthday to such a bahala does birthday so happy birthday to you but we're getting a lot of questions here about streaming media and this one we very kind of touched on which streaming services Netflix Hulu Plus play music all access scribe to which ones you use most often for me it's i subscribe to netflix and hulu plus I I have amazon prime instant but I don't really count that because i buy it for amazon prime site for the shipping yeah the videos of bonus and the only music service type subscribe to is Pandora I have netflix and then i have a google play music because i'm testing it on android phones usually although they have that device limit you're locked to 10 and then you can only remove one device from that list of Acts accessible devices once every quarter which is really annoying so I actually reached out to google recently and I know I'm going on a tangent here then they do they do clear your list once every year or no just once ever but it's nice to have that option and it's frustrating when I have to do android reviews but so that's why I pay for that Spotify use it all day long every day when I'm in the car everything so that's like my go-to then I also pay for Xbox music usually just when I'm doing windows phone stuff so I'm using that application foot and Netflix and then I guess amazon prime so really i think we could see why we both like the Roku so much exactly wrong right there from uh another question from such a baja which you actually already brought up a little bit earlier Todd is sling TV appealing to you guys now full disclosure sling TV actually contacted me back in January and gave me what they refer to as reviewers of counsel I i do have sling TV for 12 months nice but i'm not paying for it that being said if i had to pay for it i would be interested if i was a cord cutter I would definitely be interested in it right ya see a couple years ago when I lived in Manhattan I was a cord cutter I just had internet um and I I liked it but now there's so many options and and these days actually when I moved into my building they have a cable package that's what's all included in to me actually like we were talking about earlier I'm most compelled to just turn on the TV browse through a couple things maybe catch a sports game and then go to sleep and otherwise surround a movie so to me sling TVs not sort of up my alley but I I love the idea I think it's perfect for core cutters and i know i wish i had it when I was a cord cutter back in the city so uh this question just made me laugh so hard from Sean the man before Todd what I'm have you returned this week none cuz I haven't bought any but uh we'll see i'm sure i'll be tempted by the Apple watching for any new listeners out there that may not get that joke todd has a bad habit of buying things returning at the repurchasing okay it's true oh they just kidding I know I'm going off topic again um yes six edges in in the irvine office and I have an international unit here and that's neat I'm not returning yeah well that's a review unit so right yeah I'll return to Samsung but not to this store a great question here from such and bahal and something we also touched on a little bit also if you subscribe to some or all of them why do you need to isn't there one that offers the most or more than others up here in canada we just basically have netflix google play music all access and show me and crave TV which are like Netflix well see that's the thing and i'll just talk about hulu plus and netflix for a moment because again i really don't count prime instant videos it's an add-on but who is more about television that's airing now and netflix is a more about catalog stuff right so if i want to keep up with current shows then you need hulu but if i'm only going to be watching catalog stuff that no I don't need hulu right you know so yeah there's a lot to be they serve very different use cases both of those now if I was going to buy amazon prime instant video just for the video i would not buy it since i already have netflix because they do duplicate ninety ninety-five percent of their content exactly that's sort of like the same question that we're talking about google play music and spotify mean they're so similar and usually you'll find what you're looking for on both I I pay for both again because I'm testing google play music usually on Android it's nice to just have that option and I like to control her from the Apple watch it or not the Apple watch Android wear but i prefer spotify because i love the sharing features you know you can have collaborative playlists i like that you can just send a song off to somebody select my buddy will send me one song or off someone back that's why i prefer spotify and of course both have offline support yeah yeah from christopher miles do you think fifty dollars is a fair price for playstation views feature set and channel lineup no yeah i'm not really interested in playstation view but again I think it's one of those services where to start you know I think there's Aang like here let's get the ball rolling on it and then they can add stuff in the future but yeah right now I don't think fifty dollars is a lot I mean I mean it is worth it because you get a cable package for fifty bucks I mean your internets probably gonna be pretty slow did depends on the market yeah exactly but now I think fifty dollars is overpriced for what it currently offers right well we'll see what it develops into down the road you know what I'm gonna say is a nice thing about all of these services though it and against cable is these rental fees right we're like I have to pay five ten bucks fifteen bucks whatever for the DVRs I mean that's crazy and I think cable companies if they're going to computer can have to you know eventually get rid of those prices because maybe you put a deposit down sit on while you're ruining it but having to pay monthly just to have the box in your home is obscene my eye I don't I'm struggling because i I do do so much with streaming media that it's hard for me to rationalize why I do still have direct television ayo directv but there's a part of me i think it's the old school part of me that's just so hard for me not to just turn on a television there be something there mmm you know also I i I'm the oldest member of staff I I do remember the days when I had three networks and you know there was only twelve numbers on dile of the television unless she reached down and turned the UHF geo channel selector which really only ever left on one channel because that's where your PBS was you know so you just it's hard for me to go to streaming completely and I there's a part of me that desperately wants to there's a part of me that's like no you're like an old Fred yeah hang on you know has anybody created and I think years ago I want to say it was boxy and I remember if it was quite like this but an interface where you turn on the TV and maybe something's already playing maybe it's something it knows you liked right and it kind of creates that and then compiles say you know instant streaming from Amazon and Netflix and Hulu into like a playlist and maybe just an icon that shows which I you know now I from believe it did the boxee did send me a the boxee box right yeah I have that two years ago yeah which was the worst physical design of a streaming device ever unless I how they ever for those that never saw it imagine a box up on one corner and the corners shaved away so it has a flat area but a box it's at this weird angle like it's standing on a corner yeah how were you ever supposed to incorporate that thing into your home entertainment system not at all I feel like they were just like you know they had a design team it was like it looks cool but it's not like it does it was kind of like a giant screw you to the consumers right it had green edge too so it's like you know this bright green thing on your control black reason usually you know like you just like your boxes yeah so no the physical design that thing was horrific right I never could figure out what they did there a question and I'm oh I'm gonna butcher this and I apologize right now koushik barred were on dude I'm sorry I I can't I can't even try I I do apologize uh why do you think Nexus player is unsuccessful what did it do wrong um see that's one of those things where I haven't really used I know in irvine they have it and you have 1c right yeah I have one as well there are a couple problems with it from the get-go and the number one was it did not offer all the services immediately the same problem with the Amazon fire TV when it first launched it it seemed very sluggish to me it was not a quick device it had a severe lack of services and the problem is when you launch a product like that the only thing that people are going to see are the initial impressions and reviews you know if you'll notice i am not reviewed sling television yet even though i have a reviewer account and i did that on purpose because when they sent me the account they told me we've got x y&z coming within the next couple months and I thought you know what I'm gonna hold this is something that I can hold off a little bit because it's a service to not a physical hardware device right and so I can let them breathe a little bit before I review it and that i will be reviewing it within the next couple weeks it's crazy though how much has been at it since we first saw it see yes it seems like every couple weeks really go this is coming okay just let you know they had their like news entertainment i think they split those and it's two different like lifestyle and use package yeah yeah and that was the whole resigned besides hold off because I I knew more was coming I was like I can review it with its initial like 10 channels right that's the review that will exist out there for life or i can let them breathe a little bit and do it then and so that's why i decided to do that that's what I think too with the PlayStation view someone was saying is fifty dollars too much and maybe for right now but we don't you know there's probably more channels right so and that's a luxury we have with the service compared to a hardware devices that's true because you know with hardware we know that you know there's going to be an update you know 12-18 months down the road so you need to get that initial review out so the nexus player all the reviews that came out or just like there's not enough here right and that's what people are still seeing when they look up reviews so I think that's been a lot of the problem for the next aspires that it's being judged on its launch version right and it was sort of like what so I did see it I saw it with google in a controlled environment and looked really neat that obviously but i think it was also supposed to be sort of a reference platform I know it's for sale to consumers but for partners to build their own devices and so we saw nvidia come out with i believe they're just calling the shield as well um and that has their their streaming game service on it so that's like an awesome added bonus I think and I certainly have my eye on that so to say that Apple or the Android TV platform you know doesn't work maybe it does work and just not on that initial hardware and we sort of have to see what the partners do with that reference platform if we if we consider it that way but I'm interested to see to what developers to because I didn't open up the apps and they have the gaming controller and stuff like that and to me that seems really fun no I I agree I I would love to see the potential being taken advantage of but i think it's another situation of the chicken and the egg you know developers don't want to develop for a platform where there's no consumers and consumers don't want to platform where there's no apps right exactly that's the problem and developers have to choose between you know that and the fire TV and other things like that so yeah great question here from Dean Norbit why do these services Netflix Hulu come so late to Eastern European countries I'm from Romania we have good internet speed we are fourth in the world for internet speed and we don't have none of those services hungry for an for an example has Spotify we don't I think a lot of that has to do there's two things that has to do with really um number one being the licensing situation an expensive because every territory these companies have to go out and they have to negotiate new license deals so just because Netflix owns the rights to say they just add third Rock from the Sun here in the US so just because netflix has the the rights to 3rd Rock from the Sun here when they go to another country they'll have to negotiate for those rights again mm-hmm so there's every chance that potentially in Romania that there you know there's excessive ease it's hard to say without knowing more details it's also a matter of having to roll out the infrastructure hmm you know because netflix has to set up servers close to the physical proximity of where you're going to be watching so right there's two there's a lot of reasons that's possibly rolling out late I honestly I feel for you I wish you guys had netflix I wish everybody had netflix right yeah me too and it's kind of a pain to like when we travel for work when I was in Barcelona and you get back to the apartment you want to open up Netflix and then it's like this is not supported your country so there's ways around Todd yeah I know I know that you have ways around it but when i'm sitting here enough alright then i'm just going to bed what you know although oddly when i was in england I discovered I could just login to netflix UK with my account it'll let me watch Netflix UK yeah that's pretty awesome yeah so midnight the spain nut maybe Spain doesn't have netflix yup yeah I don't know we were both trying it ron and i were there our video guy you're both like in and then you weren't awake yet i don't think because I I'm different I was like why didn't reach us what I know I know you got to do it it's called VPN is awesome there I i I've outed myself a I use VPN to watch Netflix wherever I am hey I pay for it why not mm-hmm from such in Baja will there be an Amazon fire TV second generation I probably um yes a similar question a couple weeks ago about the fire phone who where Amazon basically has a dress that they're gonna you know try to enter that market again whether or not that changes I don't know but they did you suggest slit on it you know right right I we shun the man 34 is asked this question every week for a couple weeks and so I even though it's off topic we've got to answer for the poor guy what companies would you like to see Apple purchase oh man yeah that's part of the reason it hasn't answer because I keep trying to think of an answer yeah it's got a lot of money I mean I remember back in the day I said Spotify but that was before the beats thing went down I'm right I don't think anyone saw the beats deal coming yeah especially because at the time when we were talking about you know apples getting streaming music it was still pretty much with HTC remember HTC owned beats and the licensing and that kind of died out and I just saw recently the HP which was including beats branded stuff like the speakers and stuff is now switching Rica obviously it doesn't want to have an apple brand on its products it's laptops but what would I like to see Apple purchase I a social network but it'd be way too expensive I I don't know I mean apples done a really good job of choosing smaller companies that are not obvious right I think that's part of the beauty to the system of what they're doing because if they it's like when Walt Disney but built Disney World he set up a whole bunch of shell companies to buy all the land because he knew if he went in as Walt Disney yeah everyone was going to jack up the prices for what they want so if it's an obvious company for Apple to buy the price even though they have a huge war chest the price is going to skyrocket to a point that doesn't make sense for Apple exactly yeah so that makes it a little difficult to say what they should buy because it's going to have to be something that's not horribly obvious yeah well we did you see yesterday it bought a company I think was foundation DP a database company and analysts were saying you know this could help improve I message and stuff like that so you have to think well you know that's not very sexy that's not a great company you know why dapple do that but on the back end like maybe it helps I message perform better or maybe they can add new features to it and stuff like that and then you know that's that's good for consumers in the long run so you can see why it happens I don't know I don't know who I'd like to see it but I have talked to you know a couple times about Google and who would I like to see them purchase and you know you they have all kinds of projects with Google X and stuff and I often wonder what about cyanogen and they could you know apply that team to rebuilding you know a lot of their products but who knows obviously I don't think their blade latest I saw this I engine was looking to do non google play services stuff right so yeah it seems like they're branching further report yeah I I don't know what they're going to do I don't know I I because I would have never thought about them buying a database company right now so uh from Christopher miles he asked will there ever be a 2nd gen apple TV well yes there was a 2nd gen apple TV I'm 45 actually I I looked it up while we were talking here and it looks like actually the current one is the sixth oh yes oh we've had a lot yeah the last update and I've been wondering about this last update was in march two thousand twelve which this is the longest I've ever gone and yes I'm using macrumors buyers guide it's been 1097 days since the last update on Apple TV um technically 17 days because of the price decrease but that wasn't a hardware that's right um the latest rumors say Worldwide Developer Conference in tune yeah I I think there's a new version cut there has to be there has to be a new version in the pipeline yeah I mean usually when you see a price drop like that it's to get rid of sort of the older units and so between now and June march april may june that's four months of sales get rid of what they have in stock replace it with the new one and maybe that streaming TV service now that we've heard about yeah I I think there's one coming I just I don't know exactly what it's going to be and I feel like it would be good and we've thought about this too for apple tv2 sort of serve as the center of the smart home so you start to wonder are they gonna call it the apple TV are they gonna call it something else and just you know have all the functionality and more I like the App Store we've heard about and have it sort of as the center you know for control your temperature in your lights and all kind of stuff because they do have home kit which is exactly I I think it's good i think that's why there's been a hold on the apple tv's because it's been waiting for her home kit to be fully out there right and the first products i think are set to launch really seem like this spring and summer yeah from joe j i've been testing out cord-cutting loving it so far sling TV is great does crash here and there might be amazon fire TV s fault i will say from using out my roku has never crashed so I I would say that's probably an Amazon fire TV issue but I mean I haven't used it for like hours and hours on end but i have used any everyone so i'll see like it goes a little digitized but I've never had a full-on crash Oh like when the signals just been yeah you know just like a burp in the the internet you know hmm also from joe j uh what are your primary phones and are you guys all switching the samsung now no we're in a situation where it's very rare for us to ever hold on to a fun for more than a week or two yeah we we constantly are and no we don't have just giant piles of phones laying around we send them back but we we are constantly rotating our phones because the review units that come in but which this is a great opportunity so Todd you you've got the the galaxy edge sitting there with you the galaxy s6 edge yeah I just put my sim in it won't be my daily driver really know because it doesn't have LTE but I am gonna play with it and the only reason it doesn't have LT is because it's an international model should buy up the right radios for ya um but you know I was just on vacation quick weekend getaway I was in Florida had the HTC One m9 so I used that for that trip and you know I've been using the note 4 and the note 4 edge before that so really like you just said you know we're going through phones pretty quickly I think I think before the m9 and after the note 4 i was on the nexus 6 / little bit i think as of last week when you're on this podcast you can see how quickly we change then iphone 6 plus I too and the thing with that is it's kind of hard to move that sim around only because it messes up I message yeah an issue for a long time so I usually try to just keep one phone number on that but always carrying two phones and so windows phones been in my pocket to you lumia 930 so yeah I'm not sure John even owns a phone haha he doesn't have a primary I don't think he's good there's some of your viewed it's that big nose through fishing today he might I don't know hey I don't think I've ever seen the man holding the same phone talking with iphone 6 plus when that came out over the iphone 6 or maybe he was vice versa no I think he did six plus he did suck it was not his prime Brandon stirred on six plus and then switched to six right I did the opposite 626 plus yeah I I can't imagine going to anything under the six plus at this point yeah for me for my daily driver in if you listen the show you know that I'm a big fat with me so even the edge actually it's a beautiful phone I'm like whoa the screens like not as big as I'm used to but it's really nice Creed quad HD 5.1 inches which is crazy because years ago 5.1 inches was like massive yeah yeah exactly uh from Sean the man 34 will Apple keep the beats brand for the new streaming service or a new name like Apple music or Apple beats I they're gonna attempt opium there somehow yeah I think discussion was they were gonna rebranded I wouldn't be surprised as he had apple music that's what it sounds like and if we saw it i think there's news on the site that trent reznor from nine inch nails is in charge i guess of helping to build the app and i always think it when i'm rewriting i like I don't know if he's a developer or not but man that development team behind that must be like hey he's not building it i am but i guess he's directing some of it and i think there's going to be exclusive album launches and stuff like that on there but i think a lot of services have exclusives you know usually four days or weaker very it this is a multi-layered question that i don't think even Sean the man 34 realizes do you think meerkat is here to stay or is it just a fad I'm still not seeing average consumers use this only in the tech world thoughts now for those of you that may not know what meerkat is it's a new streaming service that allows you to stream video to Twitter and carrying South by Southwest everyone went nuts about it South by Southwest is usually where a lot of apps get their start to printer actually God start really it South by Southwest foursquare yeah foursquare gowalla kohala yeah I don't think meerkat is here to stay I think is very definitely a fad i think is yet another example I before I work detectable I worked at a site that was primarily focused on social and apps and all that we'd get all excited about a new service oh this is awesome this is great in six weeks later even we were like oh yeah that one yeah I what yeah I I i have so many social media accounts it's not even funny and because when i worked there we were well-known so we would rent out the second it wasn't as we'd run out and sign up our names so you got it right yeah exactly because we didn't want someone to you know just squat on our usual names you know so yes I I have a bebo can if you want to look me up if BMO even still is working I I had an orchid account to uh uh high five head high five I don't think I had high five yeah I had high five so many though oh yes it was ridiculous the thing I think the idea of this is here right like the livestream you people getting on I don't know if it's meerkat and I think the one problem from your cat is while it's been popular Twitter today just opened up periscope which is their diversion they bought it in March and they had taken a social graph away from meerkat right during South by Southwest and my thought is that while tech users and the journalists and tech are using your cat I feel like maybe consumers if Twitter introduces the to them that'll be sort of the more accepted version of this this you know live broadcasting which isn't really new I get it though you can comment and like things but her heart as you do on that on periscope yeah I i I've seen so many of these come through and there's there's one guy who I won't name who I'm sure RS Todd I don't know I'll tell you there's one guy who I swear he he gets so so into a service for like the first three days and claims heads going to change the world and then he never talks about again it completely dropped off as it just it became a running joke oh look who's into this one losing this one yet yeah I think it's like you see so many going through like I'm York adding that I'm reading this and it was just like like okay you know like there's seven people watching you eat breakfast like that's stupid I'm sorry oh yeah it's cool if you're okay so say you're at a you know a big event maybe you know and it's news like breaking news I love that kind of power like here's live stream of you know this speed sure this is happening and I just saw like me like that's cool right well you know and you know it was also mentioned we had a question here and i'll see if i can find but youtube is supposedly going to be getting into more that type stuff a and a lot of people are seeing it as a twitch competitor yo but i think there is going to be more and more of a demand for instantaneous video you know not not sending it back to be edited and he'll slap on your you know your slates and all that and I think that's where these sort of services are going to take off but I also don't think it's quite ready that the public is not quite ready for this but yeah so and so how soon to were at trade shows and I'm doing live hands on oh man I was in the year odd in a CES 2016 is still quite a ways away hahaha I you never know yeah I mean we experimented with it a little bit when we did the unboxings for the iphone 6 and 6 plus you know and we did that was before twitch establish the rules of know non-gaming right content but we did on twitch and you know we had people that watched the entire day yeah that's a good point i forgot that we did do that yeah so you never know but uh well folks we still have a ton of questions I apologize but we are definitely coming up on the end of the show and as always we want to thank you for joining us one last question here from Joe J so your main phone is your test phones yes usually yeah unfortunately and it's great that's a good point because sometimes it's kind of frustrating because you really want to get into a phone and use it and have all your pictures there your music sword and like really have it grow on you and at the end of the day having a phone like that is probably better than a camera or the operating system or anything just having your own personal device and you know you don't always get that we def we're testing them all but it's always fun yeah exactly well as always thank you for joining us we do appreciate it you can find the TechnoBuffalo show on the in the itunes store by searching for the technical Buffalo show we do appreciate if you rain reviews that does help out the show you can also find us on pocket casts you can find us on the stitcher app which means you can listen to us anytime anywhere you can subscribe to our RSS feed anywhere there are podcasts you can find the tech line of Buffalo show until next week I'm Sean ani I'm the editor-in-chief protecting a buffalo I've been joined by deputy managing editor Todd Hazleton everybody and we'll see you all next week till then take it easy bye-bye