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don't want my microphone here much well the show's started everyone welcome as Joey hit just as microphone well the 53rd episode the technical Buffalo show on one of your to house for today Sean ani editor and chief of the site I'm joined by executive editor of gaming joey davidson hello how are you man it's been a while anyway we talked Italy but we talk all the time just like I thanks Joe again this Joey guy what's he gonna whine about now everything everything I'm having to walk to a conference oh shut up man his right mark I did not envy you so Joey is on the show this week as III has wrapped up and he's made his way home and hopefully gotten at least one good nights of sleep and since he returned nope conferences are always so much fun but so he is back and so this week we're going to be tackling what he saw III our thoughts on various games and announcements and so let's just jump into it on a grand macro scale what were your feelings of this year's show oh well I enjoyed it um I think it was a rough year for Nintendo but I think it was a really good year for sony and microsoft and even the pc platform got a lot of love which is really awesome it was a strong year it was really crowded there man this is a really really crowded show and i think that counts for something like 55,000 or some crazy number like that but it was good good yeah was there anything that really just made you sit back and go whoa um well not you know not not really and I say that with kind of a little pause I think the VR stuff was awesome I think that there are some really awesome upcoming games but unfortunately the best looking games were the ones that didn't offer hands-on playtime a lot of that was hands and I'm speaking specifically about fallout for that game horizon zero dawn worst title ever that game looks amazing but nothing nothing that I actually physically got my hands on was that tremendous no just kind of weird this year I guess I don't know that was an odd thing for me Oh battlefront was good i guess i played that and mirrors edge was good too it's all starting to flood back Sean it's all everything that I have kind of you know pushed aside as a trauma year you're bringing it back up would you like to lay down on the couch and we'll we'll walk you back through your couch right there man yes well we'll just walk you back through the traumas that you experienced at e3 hypnotize me first I now yeah well then you know that you spend the rest of the episode clucking like a chicken still better than time so whatever okay well a question from such of the hall which I'm sure probably crossed your mind and enough I crossed my mind uh so red dead seek will be at e3 2016 you know for for how many games the gaming community got this year that they wanted and we'll talk about this more later um aya I'm giving up hope for red dead and for banjo kazooie I feel like rock stars probably making a red dead somewhere somehow they have to be I mean that was a really big license for them and it made them at what can only be described as a butt ton of money yeah so it's coming and I hope that they're going to do it for pc properly out of the gate like even better than GTA 5 hopefully but I don't know we'll see maybe not i compared to Arkham Knight with its with its amazing pc launch no thanks although you did you did tweet out that amazing photo the other day of being up in the clock tower well then I'm playing on PlayStation 4 like it it's not that it's pretty good on PlayStation 4 like it's it's the frame rate is steady at 30 frames per second with like very few dips if at all I mean maybe in like high combat explosion segments but you just get inside interior of a clock tower and there's like a full-on downpour and you're just like it there's no holes why is it raining so yeah it's just condensation buildup in the clock tower not a condensation man yes exactly my father used to work when he was in the Navy he actually worked at the base where the Hindenburg came in okay and they had hangers so large that clouds would form up in the tops of the hangars it rang her yes grandma yeah it's really cool so it actually does happen however I think the clock tower is just a glitch but you never know so you went through how was it especially with the extra press conferences annoying yeah like um well I think the good thing is that for for gamers for fans a lot of times with with companies like square enix and Bethesda you're relying on writers like me to get secondhand information about the games themselves but you didn't have that here that's my phone I'm sorry um you didn't have that here so you got first-hand information and a lot of times Bethesda and Square Enix especially they're they're big on the eyes oo are the eyes on like hands-off demos so you saw exactly what I probably would have seen this year anyway i can remember the year that Skyrim came out it was an eyes off presentation that year so for you guys it's awesome for us the writers i could have done without the press conferences entirely I'm what if they were just like livestream doll on Nintendo Direct I probably would have been pretty excited about that because that means I didn't have to make appointments and I didn't have to go anywhere which would have been great but you know getting the invitation and turning them down its kind of that's not a good thing so we do have a quick question we need to address from a todd haselton where's Todd uh well due to popular demand we removed him from the show yeah permanently it's truly can't do it we're actually going to bring in Todd's dog Mabel to replace them uh I've okay uh technobuffalo Twitter account just tweeted out a link to our show in Russian yes they are addressing that right now we're not quite sure why it's in Russia where we're not other particular out how that happened and it took a hit at the most interns that's amazing a very important question I don't know if you actually got any hands-on time with this from Michael vez el xbox elite controller with it or not uh well okay for me no for you folks who really really enjoy that like hardcore crazy customizable controller yeah I could see it being worth your time the price tag alone is is way too steep for my blood so I think it's like 150 bucks but I mean it's fully customizable that's kind of and crazy so I'm down with the idea um but the price man that's gonna keep me away but if you have that type of money and you want a really well-built controller that's really customizable I can't see any reason to say don't get it you know what I mean it's actually pretty awesome pretty awesome piece of hardware yeah it looked great and I honestly what drove me away even quicker than the price it drove me away before I knew the price was the little silver paddles I'm like okay wait I'm not an octopus have you ever used this before I have not okay so they're real they're actually really nice I mean like you keep your when I put my hands on on a controller I'm kind of like holding my hands up here they sit like this and these fingers are back here and so rather than worrying about my moving my thumb to hit the reload button or throw grenade or switch weapons you just put it all down here so if your fingers on the sticks you can just kind of use these fingers to reload and whatever functions you might be using okay I could see that I didn't realize it would allow you to take power away from like the XY abs right so with halo this is the first time I ever did this I camera which halo was my roommate and I were like oh they just they just released a controller configuration called bumper jumper and it's where they move the bumper from or the jumping function from the a button up to the right bumper so you're shooting in your jumping role on the same thing and it was really easy to like run and jump and shoot without having to change your aim people who learned how to use this gun crazy good oh god you imagine that but just like a controller specifically built for that gotcha okay cool so we've got a lot of questions coming in here we've got one from brazen Franco who was very excited to see that you were on the show Reggie let's slip I like how we just now refer to him as Reggie meaning Reggie filim a from Nintendo Reggie let's slip out that Nintendo's developing a new home console during a press question at e3 can I consider that the NX is the next sent into home console enjoy avoid the wii u now what are the odds the NX will be retro compatible okay um that's a pretty crazy question so let's try to unpack it because I think it's a good one maybe we should start with what Reggie said because i think i read the same interview that you did it he referenced a home console he didn't say that the NX was that home console and i don't think we're gonna see that console in 2016 I imagine it's going to be 2017 Nintendo typically unveils one year has a full year of like press previews and whatever else and then releases after the e3 of the following year so if you look at the wii u i can remember the dates let's pretend it was in veiled in 2010 and it came out in 2011 that's typically how it works so next year at e3 we're going to see the NX whatever it happens to be and then we'll see it in 2017 is my bed console makers don't really do the three months turn around it for a major reveal that's a little crazy so let's say that to start um as for what the NX is I've heard a lot of different things I've heard that it is a single platform heard that it is a console / handheld device something capable of playing TV quality games on the go but then also being able to bring it home and sort of set it on your you're like media center or whatever and just and just plugging into your TV and going that way I've heard that it's something like that which kind of makes sense given the gamepad I mean it's basically the Wii U gamepad just removing the need to stay within range of your console which would be pretty awesome especially if Nintendo can power it up quite a bit more because I think that's one of the things that's sort of held the way back from the the public mind share is that it was just everyone looked at and said oh it's slightly better than an xbox 360 so there's that backwards compatibility I think that's the trickiest question Nintendo's done backwards compatible systems all the way back to the game boy bands pretty much every single one they've really since then except for the Gamecube 264 every single one that they really since then has had backwards compatibility this is a company that's that's it's sort of won a lot of consumer trust because when you do upgrade to their library one of their big selling points is by the Nintendo 3ds it also plays all of your DS games and dsi games and DSiWare or whatever it was I can't see them getting rid of that feature so would that all said coming back to your question about should you wait um that's up to you right now the Smash Brothers community is probably at its pitch with the wii u and i would say the same for splatoon and if these are two games that you really really want to play when that there are height of play especially splatoon you need to get the Machine sooner rather than later if you're the type of person who maybe wants to ingest these down the line and doesn't really give a crap about the online component which I would say is a bad idea for split soon because it's massively online um you can wait I I don't think there's a mistake happening here and even as someone who really likes that we use catalog if it is backwards compatible I could see waiting and I could see being okay with that but the thing about Nintendo games and especially stuff like Pikmin 3 they go out of print and Nintendo has been really stingy about adding things digitally when it comes to backwards compatibility they do it on a week by week basis so I mean you have a choice to make look at the lineup now for the wii u and say to yourself do I want these games that are out now like a Pikmin 3 or wonderful 101 if you can wait wait if you can't get it it is the cheapest system so that it has that going forward as well and i imagine by this holiday we might even have another price cut on her hand so some big question I'm sorry well I I wanted to circle back for a second to something you said earlier when we talked about the red dead redemption sequel you said that we got a lot of long-awaited games this year and of course the biggest that being the Last Guardian finally being shown on screen one of them I don't know if I'd call that the day yes well okay it may be not the biggest but it was definitely one of them the highlights of the entire week I felt you know finally we saw you know something about it now the streams were extremely choppy during gameplay segments they were great for on stage with gameplay segments were choppy judging only by watching it on the stream you were there in person the judging by the stream it looked like a ps2 game to me um well have you played shadow of the colossus turvy aurico hey I played shadow the classes back in the day yells shadow the classes had a gorgeous art design and art aesthetic um even its HD version on the playstation 3 isn't like that gorgeous or whatever I mean it's it's a beautiful game but it's not like the most graphically stunning thing ever and on the playstation 2 i can remember horrible frame rates and tons of screen lag and everything else so i think that team ego has a pension for being really ambitious with their games and so that huge scale tends to make it so that graphically i am not making fun of you Sean or anything like that I just hate when I hate when that's the direction of the discussion because it to me the graphics are huge and I'm they're important but like it's not it's not the fulcrum for the entire enjoyment no I honestly I ninety-nine percent of the time I would agree with you completely but when game has been in development for this many years I'd argue that that's that that's making it worse because this is a PlayStation 3 game this is a PlayStation 3 game that the team has decided we needed to get this on the PlayStation 4 so yes it has it's going to have some graphical challenges and were developed for the PlayStation 4 out right we might have something closer to again horizon zero dawn then then then shadow the classes but we have something in between that said in person on screen that looked a little washed out but that's kind of the color palette for 14 eco games so other than the color palette it look good i mean you know feathers on dogbert bear thing looks awesome is that is that the day we're going with for the ding dog bird bath thing yeah sure Griffen Griffen dog makes me think about a man bear pig yeah Griffin off from South Park um speaking of south park they may have won the entire III with the name of their sequel game yeah but which I suppose we can say on the show because it is a title sure what was it the fractional butthole yeah fractured butthole but just be clear every what it was comma butt hole arranging that always funny the I did you do you watch always sunny hey I do so when Danny DeVito is singing gotta save the boy's soul from the troll gotta pay the troll toll in order to save the boy soul yes that's adoro might be a great question from outer craft the the game that was on a lot of people's lips have either of you played no man's sky I have a salt played in person and I did not get a chance to play it they were pretty they're pretty selective about invites for that one and it was it was in several places that I was near it if that makes you feel good I did not have time to play it it looks gorgeous um I'm really excited about that game i do want to preface what I'm about to say with with that and I'm going to play it I'm going to buy it um I'm a little bit nervous for its focus and and how it feels in real time and what I wind up doing in it I think I think with no man's sky the first 5 10 20 hours i'm probably going to really love it and I'm questioning how I'm gonna feel 20 30 40 hours is this a game that I'm gonna play forever kind of like minecraft or is this a game that I'm going to explore for 20 hours and think okay I got my money's worth that that's kind of where I am with that game I'm excited for it though and I think that that hello games is doing some big things which is admirable in and of itself so yeah I'm uh I'm nervous too I'm worried that lacks of focus I'm not you know I'm not worried about the the focus thing it has enough I think it has enough of that to drive me but I'm worried about how far I'm willing to be driven that's that's where I am mm I don't know I'd like you I there's still no question I'm gonna get and how excited were you to see more cuphead really excited i was really said they got stage time too yeah i'm so looking forward to that game mm-hmm was that it was 30 when i interviewed them last year so it's like they went from having 13 seconds of time in microsoft's like sizzle reel to having actual stage time in one year and i went to a game showcase on monday night and we're all playing games and the line for cup head was ridiculous ridiculous I mean it's gonna it's gonna be popular at least it just based on it to look alone so ya know it looks so good yeah so good from brazen Franco starting to get worried about the ff7 remake rumor circulating or saying they could end up being a simplified third person action game like FF 15 and not the difficult turn-based awesome game it originally was what are your opinions I think that you should read a story written by ron duwell on our site about getting your expectations in check for something like this Ron hit the nail on the head I think that it's going to be a remake and I'm excited for that but at the same time the final fantasy 7 port is coming out as well so you're going to have both if you want a final fantasy 7 with just same exact game with HD graphics I don't think that's gonna exist but I you know I don't know what they're going to do I don't I and and I hope to god it's not a 13 or 13 a third person action game that just doesn't make any sense and that's not what we all played but it is going to be different and I think that there I'll go on the record now is saying that no matter what someone is going to be pissed off about something like that yeah that's just that's just the question of your works yeah I mean it's just it's just the way it works I'm just hopeful that they as long as they keep the core mechanics in place like that turn-based difficulty combat or whatever turn-based combat was good i mean line combat was kind of the homework a final fantasy back in that era then I want more of that so hopefully it's it stays so Braun brought up a great point in a recent article about do we now have to take the certain large event at the end of disc 1 and considered a spoiler again I hope so we all now have to avoid mentioning that large final fantasy 7 moment well I mean there's only generation players here I'm sure that I wouldn't even be surprised and this is not insulting I wouldn't even be surprised if more than fifty percent that people watching now never even play final fantasy seven it came out a long time ago yeah yeah no I totally agree i I just I fight it but do we hold it in the same I mean people mentioned Darth Vader's Luke Skywalker's father on a daily basis you know no we it's not in that it's not in that tier everyone seen Star Wars not everyone's played final fantasy as counter singing star wars yeah man I'm waiting until he gets to the age where like I want that sorry I move my camera I want that moment that Luke I'm your father moment to absolutely ruin him I will not want him to be like fully because i can remember i can remember my dad waited until I was like six or seven to watch that movie and it just man i like it like didn't trust anything i saw it in the theater opening night I can remember just sitting there in the theater going oh yeah for Michael the sale Joey was there any games that disappointed in jewett III oh that's gosh you know there was one or two um this is a question in like right people are watching probably getting in trouble a Star Fox zero disappointed the crap out of me man I was our Fox it it looked like the most dated Wii U game the world's themselves were really empty it felt really it felt it felt archaic almost and the motion control so there's two it was really weird so like your kind of think like us will tune almost except not really with splatoon the moat the the walking is on the lipstick and the aiming is on the right stick but it's also on the gamepad itself but you can turn this off but I actually left it on because motion control here is really good so like you'll you'll do like your macro aiming on the right stick and then your micro like you're fine tuning on this and you can get really fast and super accurate and it works but it works because the reticule stays up on the TV screen you're not looking down at the gamepad when you're moving Star Fox as a u-turn that you turn the whole ship this way so like you're moving you're moving up on the top of the screen that's where you're like that's where you're like acceleration isn't everything else but then like when it comes time to aim you have to look down at the gamepad and like turn and get really precise and by the time you look up you're running into other ships because the gamepad's a cockpit view and it doesn't show you the sides I don't know man it was just it was like really even the demo they have like dim I don't know what to call them demo assistance I guess it's not the person driving the demo but they're staying there with you and they're kind of like there to make sure you have settings for questions yeah right so like even she was just like yeah people have had a hard time with this all day and this was by day three of the show that I our day two of the show that I played it so like and I was the last appointment so she had like 10 people or 1020 appointments before that that were just like yeah I have no idea what I'm doing so I mean it's it's that was disappointing um I'm not gonna write it off its III man yeah trying to think of is there anything else that was really disappointing as really disappointed with the rare collection I don't want that like I want thing I want rare games I want them to get back to making great new games and I mean there's going to be that one thieves of the seven seas or whatever pirate game that is that's not all i just want banjo kazooie again man I can I just have that why can't we bring back the rare that defines so many of our childhood it's not the rare that made a bunch of Kinect games and then Microsoft's like let's try something else yeah i connect what's that from such and Bohol and I kind of want to build off of this are any of you guys going to get an oculus rift project Morpheus or valves VR headset when it comes out what was the generate it seemed to be downplayed to me and all the presentations that I had access to um well vr-zone is a nearly impossible thing to make exciting at a press conference mm-hmm it just it just is not it's not exciting right but in person it is exciting and I think that the given the fact that I went to several demos like the directions in the email that were just like hey we're at this booth it's behind the VR section of the show floor the fact that VR had like freaking just enormous like football field-sized section of the show floor God telling um so yeah I'm excited about it I don't know what I'm gonna get I probably sounds crazy probably project Morpheus and the reason why I say that is because it's probably gonna be the most affordable option oculus rift they're probably gonna be the same price but the I think the oculus CEO was like you're going to need a twelve hundred dollar like 1,200 bucks or 1,500 bucks just to get going if you have a from-scratch computer and my computer is terrible right now so I'm going to be looking at that price tag in order to get right excuse me to get in on that but PlayStation 4 is you know four bucks plus pro we have 300 or Morpheus I'm going to put it around that five hour difference now not not mentioned here and I realized I actually not talk to you about this since the show the hololens demo mm-hmm what were your thoughts uh it was good I did not try it at the show but I have heard that we should lower our expectations and that that demo was a it not that it was deceptive but it was a little far reaching it's not quite as good as all that really the dumb was freaking mind blowing though as it was happening like it was great yeah but I I was you were there as was Eric Ron and I were on a skype call and I told Ron I was like look there's no way there's no way is as good as what they're showing right now what they were showing was life which is crazy um but the what I've heard is that ok so like the glasses view that we had take it like this so what we saw on screen and what you and I saw like because we the only Holland stuff that any of us saw was the stuff that was on a screen and they put the hololens lens directly on top of the camera so like this right there was no peripheral view and what I've heard about hollow lens is that if if you turn your I anywhere like and break the vision on either side of the lens when you happen to be looking through like when you look through glasses you can see to the sides of your glass yeah yeah what I can yeah so I Kepler right so imagine imagine looking through glasses and then you turn your head and the vision breaks the illusion breaks every single time that you like look above and below and to the side of your glasses so I've heard that that is kind of jarring and it's sort of ruins the effect i don't know that's that's what I don't know I don't know how legitimate that is i'm excited for hololens though it's interesting is crap yeah well and Ron and I were discussing on the call you know what are the other types of games that this could go to basically we feel em you're never talking strategy games yeah exactly it's going to be things like civilization Starcraft would be a stretch but possibility manner saga could you imagine instead of controlling them with like you know like a tactical strategy game like fire emblem try controlling with the analog stick like reach in and grabbing your pieces and moving them like it's a big giant chessboard cat gonna be awesome exactly exactly a Sim City it'd be cool to yeah there's a lot of possibilities for me vr doesn't excite me that much I'm excited about it yeah I'm definitely it's something I'm definitely gonna sit back and wait to hear more experiences and finally get to experience for myself mm-hmm but yeah from brazen Franco and this was a question that was on a lot of people's minds hey Joey how do you feel about the Kwazii lack of presence of the Vita during Sony's press conference personally I'm sad yeah am sad too man I don't know it's it's it's probably one of the platforms I play most and that's mostly because I've been enjoying a lot across play stuff you know on the one hand i get i use the crap out of my PS vita sassone you must be doing something right but on the other hand i'm i am also a little bit frustrated with their release schedules and they release their sizzle reel and you hit the comments and there's people who are like yeah PS Vita and my comment is like man I want more um you're not giving me enough I want more stuff like I I love the crap at a tearaway persona 4 golden and and even uncharted has it had its high points and gravity rush all those were amazing games i I'm kind of angry that we didn't get to see gravity rush to you know I've heard that that's in development have been hearing that for a long time and it wasn't there and Sony's head Shuhei Yoshida was just like it's it's we're treating the PS Vita as he didn't desert exactly his words but it's a quick play device is something that that's meant to played games that are good in 20 minutes tense and that's cool and all those have their place but I want both man I want I want the big experiences too and those just don't seem like they're coming anymore and that is that is a bummer now I a surprise x hat little and concern Iran does most of his gaming on his feet up you can imagine what I was hearing on the other end of the skype call session came to an end yeah but yeah it seemed odd it seemed very odd for Michael the cell speaking of backwards compatibility Xbox one is getting it for 360 games but not all 360 games will be pliable do to change licenses over time what's up with that okay um Phil Spencer talked about this on a podcast video show that someone was watching in a press room so we kind of like got a chance to all watch and learn together very basically the xbox 360 on the Xbox one is is more or less emulations so what Microsoft is managed to do is that they've created an xbox 360 shell that you will download onto your xbox one and then the games will insert into that shell so the xbox one sees it as playing xbox 360 the game and then your xbox 360 game is playing the game that's inserted in got it so anything there's no work to be done okay like there's going to be some stabilization with the emulator itself but there's no work to be done importing games over to the Xbox one so it is entirely up to licensing much child might be running down the stairs here in a second thanks so if that happens I'm sorry so it is entirely up two licenses entirely up to companies to give permission for the xbox 360 games that they created so many years ago to be sold on the Xbox one now when is it going to happen I don't know but that that is what's up with that yeah there's no work to be done and I can't see very many companies going you know don't sell our games again for good ya know Konami would do it uh quick question from Dan llegas will you guys be doing more to it soon yes we will we just don't have a exact date at the moment also from Dan hey Joey what are your thoughts on mirrors edge I assume he means the new music yes I got to play it and I loved it um I think I got about 15 minutes which with it which was a bummer it was an open-world area one thing that I will tell you is really cool that I haven't heard very much about prom i dint maybe other sites are writing about i don't know from my demo basically it was you get dropped into an open-world area inside Mirror's Edge catalyst and the world itself is white around you and yellow if you've ever played mirrors as you know that the places you can park or off of or a whore hey buddy sounds almost sick today that's the way I got it i'm working dude whoa wrap up here in just a moment she's leaving he's going to a doctor's appointment anyway uh it's it's typically the world's all white and then the stuff that you can park or off of is red that's how you know you can jump from point a to point point p poor kid haha so like in Mirror's Edge catalyst it's all white so there's no like runners vision until you select something on the map and say like I want to go here I want to do this goal and then instead of like in Arkham Asylum for instance Arkham Knight for instance we're in the car you get like a dotted path on the road that says like you should go this way instead of that the runners vision shows up and so there's no like arrows or anything like that it's just like objects on the ground turn red like that dumpster in the distance turns red and then passed it a wall turns red and it just sort of tells you like hey this is the direction you should be heading and it actually works really well that's my dog I got whole family here well but even though it's open world since you can't see the park or track until you select a destination don't you feel like that takes oh and this is just me speaking from your explanation don't you feel like that kind of makes it a little bit less open world no um pretty much the way that the game has been designed at least in my very very very small vertical slice pretty much everything is park horrible there are some walls that are very obviously too high so you can run in any direction in any given time and you will be able to park or down services that make sense but when you have the Waypoint selected it's just that the best the most sensible parkour path is the one that's highlighted does that make sense horrible it's just that the way that you want to go or the path that you want to take is highlighted once you choose your way point I was I were where that Park horrible was work it is man god I i I'm out of the loop i I'm not into my parkour now I'm gonna put it down after this call from brazen Franco so what's your opinion yet another heavily pre-order Triple A game going down the drain again referencing to Batman for pc I stopped pre-ordering games like just don't do it none of us do it I like but I almost did and you talked me out of it yeah don't do it another playstation 4 version the game's been really good for me but i don't care i'm willing to go to the store or download it on day one I will I will wait for the 12-hour download and install I will wait for that over the risk of getting a broken game and not being able to play it at all ya know and then you know worst case you get a broken game and then you sit in your chair and you like drink a bottle of brandy and listen all the people complain about how broken it is like that's your reward for not pre-ordering so I'll take that over over playing a glitchy game any day of the week yeah I can see your point I just of course as soon as you told me yesterday it's good you should get us like I was gonna get it but then you told me I cancelled my pre-order why don't you get it now what's stopping you from getting to now because now I'm at the point where like well do I just wait for the game of the year edition and get all the bonus stuff yes you should Matt I you know war brothers is like the worst now like I though I know that we talked Ubisoft and EA is like pure evil but like just step back for a second and look at Warner Brothers and their ridiculous amount of pre-order content they stuffed into Arkham Knight and all of it retails specific and all of it platform specific there's where we're really pissed off right now a bungee in there and they're collectors edition for freaking dancing emotes in Destiny's taking king DLC we are pissed off about that because they're attached to Activision and bungee is a big brother company Warner Brothers not so much I mean now that they now they are but like come on how much exclusive content do we need to stare at before we get that same level of frustration like it's ridiculous I was going to play batman arkham knight no matter what you just give me more pre-order options is only angering me and making me want to recommend it I'd litter Warner Brothers if you are watching this you literally just watch me tell someone named Sean to wait and buy it later because of all your stupid recommendations and like presale stuff they're losing sales by doing this like you dont i dont the the public's gonna catch on you keep her loose releasing reloj singh releasing broken games and at the same time you're releasing broken games with more pre-ordering season passes then i can shake a stick at like something's got to give here man it's time to move on speaking of broken games ubisoft came out on stage they made a somewhat reference to last year's Assassin's Creed issues mm-hmm what was the general feeling at e3 you is everyone still angry about what happened with it or I can't speak for everyone no of course not I can speak for Eric and I were in the room discussing into the time uh Eric was excited it for it and I was like you know count me out I am I am my guest just like of the ilk that I'm so sick and tired of broken key I am so sick and tired of them like I'm just it's just getting ridiculous and the reason why I'm angry specifically at companies like Ubisoft is because they're doing it to themselves like a few years back this is like water cooler crap but whatever i was i was at the hotel that we stayed we happen to stay at the same hotel that has like all the executives from all the various bony's as well it's just like everyone stays at these hotels because they're close to the convention center they're like walking distance or their shuttles i'm downstairs getting the coffee from the lobby bar and next to me are people who are very obviously middle-aged executives from ubisoft like they're wearing their badges it says it on there they're like that you can don't don't treat this as like gospel because it's like tertiary source here but these people were like literally talking about how they need their yearly hit they need their yearly thing they need their Skylanders they need their call of duty and that's what we've gotten with Assassin's Creed and that's why it's so frickin broken call of duty isn't broken because it's an on-rails linear experience it's not literally on Rails but it's it's it's a corridor shooter there's nothing they can screw up there Assassin's Creed is a complex vast array of systems you know what i mean so it's like I really seen them every year is just asking for it and so here they come with another Assassin's Creed on a yearly basis and and if if the announcement of your game includes an apology for the last game it's time to slow down and maybe pump the brakes a little bit and back off and say we should take a break it's ridiculous that is an excellent point if you have to come out go yeah sorry about last year here's this year's though it's gonna be great ignore last year's sorry about that yeah I think you know I didn't walk away from this year yeah of course he all we're going to get the assassin's creed and the the call of duty for this year but it did feel to me a little bit like maybe we're pulling away from everything having to be annualized maybe maybe now they don't think so it's making them too much money like it made them too much money I don't know what what else can I say they're releasing broken games and they're selling like gangbusters what's the point of releasing games at work like what's the point don't have any ambition to it and we're all lined up going hey we'll buy it again well one last question before we close out today and this comes from Dennis Langston just tuned in so I don't know if you guys touched on this but what do you think about Sony starting a Kickstarter for a game good idea or bad I debated about writing about this for the Cyrus haven't gotten to it yet um on the one hand I think it's it was really a nice move of Sony to sort of give the Shenmue guys a chance to announce their game on a really big stage with a really big megaphone that bits awesome but Shenmue 2 costs 70 million dollars in the year 2000 and then they come up here for Shenmue 3 and they're like we only need 2 million from you guys they don't they need a lot more money than that I this was basically just a pre-order hype tool is essentially what it was and they've secured that it sort of goes against the core heart of Kickstarter in my mind which is a platform for little guys to get noticed and here we have Shenmue 3 one of the most like called four games and the entire medium and one of the biggest console manufacturers in the world Sony using Kickstarter to fund a game it's just a little crazy to me it just doesn't it's not what Kickstarter's for I find it really weird that two million dollars is nothing in the grand scheme of this game it's probably going to be like two percent of the budget I just it just seems a little excessive if they had announced that Kickstarter as a on freaking Twitter it probably would have done just as well but instead they don't need it they like they used so much of their stage time massively for smart I was gonna say massively fart massively smart for Sony here but like cuz he you know they basically trotted out a game that they haven't worked on a Kickstarter that they didn't make like they spent no money on it they basically brought it out on stage and they were like here you go Shenmue 3 and you heard about it here first the PlayStation press conference PlayStation 4 life like that was obviously a really good move for them but it kind of feels really shady so I tend to agree i vacillated on my opinion since the announcement and as time is worn on I'm definitely going into the negative camp now that being said I haven't played Shenmue or Shenmue 2 so well i'm i mean i'm excited for driving some forklifts and doing some shopping working through some gosh upon machines yeah I i saw that was included I was like I having not played the first two games I didn't realize that was the thing in the game it's it is a reason why people like these games want me I'm speaking I don't know kind of turn here but my personal opinion the reason why people like these games is because they tap into what Japanese life is very very well and for that's kind of awesome I actually really enjoy it myself so cool well I think that is going to bring this episode to an end I thank you for joining us Joey and hopefully we can have you on more often I I know okay well then forget you but as always we want to thank you all for joining us and you can find us on the itunes store by searching for the technical Buffalo show where we do appreciate if you rate and review us that does help out the show you can also find some pocket casts you can subscribe via RSS feed you can find us on the stitcher app which means you can listen to us anytime anywhere basically anywhere you can find podcasts you can find the type of Buffalo show until next time I'm Sean ani I'm the editor-in-chief of the site I've been joined by executive editor of gaming joey davidson thank you guys till next time take it easy everyone bye bye