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and welcome to episode 63 of the TechnoBuffalo show I'm I'm your to host for today Sean ani editor-in-chief of TechnoBuffalo i'm joined by deputy managing editor Todd Hazleton hey everybody how are you doing today Todd I'm good yes we we missed last week unfortunately folks it was just it was crazy busy and then we had an unexpected being short-handed and was just a ton of thing so we do apologize for missing last week but that means we have that much more to talk about this week yeah we have a lot to talk about because you know the best time to send out an invitation for your big event is the friday evening it's a friday night at four-thirty pacific yeah so there's like one time zone of people left writing for 30 minutes yeah very weird and we're talking about Google that was the oddest choice of a time to release an invitation it was last Friday thankfully we have guys in the California office and they wrote the story but Sean and I weren't around it was 630-730 are times and Google sends out an invite and now typically you know maybe during the week one of us will be around at that time or at least nearby but on a friday night it's just like I mean who's like who do they think they're out well you messaged me I just got off the treadmill and you messaged me and you're like I'm trying to get an invite I'm like what's going on how I Demi's get on the treadmill yeah that's like what and we are invited so we will be there yes we will be there ends a little busy because but i know i'm sorry please finish no it's just like I feel like if you're trying to make news or getting headlines you know you want it to be in front of everybody you announce it when both coasts are there right well there's actually in mainstream media the best time to release bad news is considered around that time yeah that makes sense because then it gets buried in the weekend or or when Apple's announcing something exactly so that gets very yeah so Google's choice at that time by normal me standards is extremely odd and by our tech standards it's extremely odd but whatever it is we got the invite we will be there but so we're going to see two phones I still have not memorized which is which yeah the rumors are the Nexus 5x which which is LG and then that goes naming those names came up like right around last week too I think yeah and then the 6p which is allegedly made by Holloway so the six-piece supposed to be the flagship of the two I think the 5x heads like a Snapdragon six something in it as opposed to the rumored 820 Snapdragon 820 and 60 so you know we'll see what the prices come in at and if there's like a real big sacrifice that you're making besides like some flagship specs between the two because it'd be really great if you get you an awesome experience at a lower price for the 5x as long as they're not taking too much out also you're the two phones here's what I find out about the 5x the the Nexus line has always been a developer's tool essentially it was never intended to be a bo consumer product well I think last year that started to change but right yeah it was never originally sort of / so if they're releasing a mid-range phone the question is either a are they finally accepting that this is a consumer product or B are they trying to give a tool to developers for developing countries mmhmm yeah it's a good point I mean there's both I don't know that they're chasing merging markets excuse me because I do have you know lower-cost phones was it android android one android one for emerging markets and I don't know that the pricing of the 5x is going to be that cheap you know I think it's going to be like probably 300 bucks minimum and I don't think that's emerging market pricing excuse me we're looking at like a hundred fifty bucks but I think it is a sign of their moving towards a consumer space and last year we had the Nexus 9 which very much seemed like a consumer play it was sold and Best Buy and stuff like that mean sorry guys are fragmented okay and then you also have his name is Jimmy yeah and then you also have project Phi which sort of is just taking off but it's open to the public it doesn't really have much to do with developers at all right it's just right we're gonna lose eous and if these both support project Phi and I think they will then all of a sudden now you've got three phones at support project by you've got choice I think that's a big consumer play and I don't think I had a chance to really talk about it but I use project file lot in Europe when I was there and I really really liked it so I'm excited to see whether one of these phones probably the 5x i'm not sure i need a flagship so close to buying the 6s plus which I just did i pre-ordered it but I'm interested in the 5x now you know I hadn't even thought about this so you just mentioned it we have not heard any rumors of a new tablet this year ya know I and we I was going through prepping our post as we usually do ahead of time sort of getting things ready just in case google announces they were ready to go with some sort of post and there's nothing in the land of tablets that we've heard about that they could surprise us well you'd think that rumors would have popped up by now that suggests you know maybe something's coming right but you really haven't seen anything right i mean we have heard yo the rumors of the chromecast and whatever this audio streamer is that we've been hearing rumors about right yeah there's been no rumors of the new tablet yeah the other thing is that i was thinking in the past it's really these events have been totally different sometimes they'll dive into other things like photos or maybe maps or something at least on the mobile side you know maybe they'll talk about android pay a little bit because that's new but so far like you haven't really heard a lot i mean there's a rumor that photos is going to get revamp soon partially at least anyway with with collaborative galleries so like you and I could go somewhere to take pictures made upload to the same gallery from both of us which is pretty cool and maybe that's one of the features they'll talk about there but yeah so far I'm going into the event expecting Nexus 6p 5x chromecast to which sounds like it's got better Wi-Fi a couple colors and stuff like that but I don't really know what else to expect and then chromecast Audio which is apparently a way to connect say older speakers but what I was trying to figure out is what makes this different than any other Bluetooth hub that you can buy for say twenty bucks connect your speakers and then connect to that and you can play and one of them are suggested that there's multi-room support so maybe you have a couple of them linked up and then you can have speakers throughout your house and are connected for much cheaper than say a pair of Wi-Fi speakers or something like a sonos or bluetooth and then android 6.0 marshmallow like maybe we'll hear the release date maybe the maybe the final bills will hit the Nexus 6 and stuff also on that day but really it's like that's okay those are our that's our focus but where else could Google go and that's why i was saying maybe photos maybe they talk about payments maybe they get into android TV a little bit i'd like to hear a little update on that and especially now that apple tv's coming and I know that it's already knew I mean it's still pretty new but we could still hear an update on like you apps coming I mean I feel like Android TV is still almost like that Android wear beta experience like there's some good apps but it's not it's not huge yes and I think they need to take a dealer you know and I'm so thankful that they're doing the chromecast and other colors because you know that device is just one time or you plug it into the back of your television and never see it again yeah that's what I was what like rumors are showing yellow red and a regular black and they look like a little hockey puck or like as if they went and spend time on like how it should look well that doesn't matter at all like good little dongles perfect just throw it behind your TV like you said yeah you never see it again yeah and I can't wrap my head around that either yeah it's like oh let's spend no time working on that because you know we need to know what's going on so we have a question that a reader senem via Twitter a couple weeks ago that definitely relates to what we're seeing here today and this followed up on the iphone event from connor furlong do you think it's becoming increasingly less likely to be amazed and when was the last time something did amaze you ah yeah i think it's well and that that goes back to just leaks to like it's hard to go and amazed when you've already heard that it reported on rumors and stuff for months like if Apple came at us I left field with something you know like sick I don't know say the car ipad air three yeah like yeah yeah a knife at her through something like that or the Apple cars I'm like whoa but yeah it's increasingly hard because of that and I also think because of expectations you start to set things a little high all of us do I think you go whether it's apple or Samsung or anybody else I'll say the last time I was amazed was probably it's usually when i look at samsung's new screens to be honest I think that's what on their phones I'm always just like whoa like that's pretty cool if we're talking hardware specifically hardware and specifically on a phone I think that's where I would I'm pretty amazed right i think a lot of the problems that we're in a very iterative stage of phone development this point oh yes everyone's throwing the fingerprint reader and i don't really consider that that innovative no matter who did it first i don't care it's it's not that big of a thing we're stuck basically in the same form factor every phone is a black slab you know yes sometimes there's other colors but every funds a slab there's not anything super interesting going on you know the last company that tried to do something interesting and well as soon as i said we'll all know how well it did was the fire phone you know with the the stupid camera set up in every corner and oh look you you can look at the picture from different angles all right there's there's nothing super innovative going on you know you get little tweaks to how the camera works you know whether you know it can be 00 it rotates this way or you can rotate it to the fronts for super you know sexy selfies right you know it's there's not anything I I don't think it's even just the rumors it's just that there's not anything new being done right I mean I think we're spoiled to like everything is so great and then it just gets like slightly better slightly better slightly better but if we were to step back say for years and then pop in and look at the galaxy note5 we'd be like whoa like that I guess grabbed my head around that and girls and you could do the same with the galaxy note 4 realize whoa but if you went from note for note 5 you're kind of like oh but but what about the removable battery in the micro SD card slot and that's where we start to get spoiled in here like wait a second like we should still consider where were you were just four years ago and that's the hard thing too is that when us you know we're following it every day our our fans I think our readers are falling it every day and so for all of us it's sort of like okay yeah like which one am I going to spend my money on I don't know you know maybe the camera is most important or maybe that it's made out of metal is most important and that's what it comes down to versus these large leaves that we thought I mean if you really look at it like we're using our phones for payments whether it's sampling or Apple or anybody now LG with android pay we got something that's just incredible to me we just walked up and pay with your phone or even your watch and I was talking to Brandon one of our writers the other day and he was like whatever happened like those tiny phones and I said you know do you remember this such-and-such phone I forget what it was called but it was like a lipstick in on earth like a lipstick tube on verizon made by samsung was the funniest looking phone and that's when like you know the differentiator wasn't displays and RAM and mental bodies it was like the actual form factor which sort of goes back to what you're talking about like they seem to make advancements in how the funds looked back then versus you know well let's not forget that Brandon has a definite issue with any phone of any size right look and you know it's funny I was just thinking about those differences way back when this is probably five years ago four years ago five years ago samsung launched a phone called the continuum on verizon and it had a little ticker screen at the bottom that had its own area for applications and stuff like that it wasn't very popular and now I'm just covering you know these rumors yesterday that another staffer Jacob was writing about LG creating this phone with a ticker on it hey wait a minute we saw this five years ago well yeah like you're saying granite has a hard time loving dogs it's more specifically phablets he is not a phablet fan by any honest right edge nation he loves phones he just hates phablets yes but I still laugh about the time he strapped a the original galaxy note to his wrists to try to simulate what a phone watch would be like but um that was also a that was also the time of the great photo gallery where he went and bought everyday products down at the 7-eleven and brown back to the office and comparators license here it is next up pop tart hey what's up yeah he's gonna say oh my anyway so the other event coming up is LG who I'm not quite sure why they're making an event out of this I know I was trying to figure that out to it could be any number of things you know it could be discussion about US carriers for this nexus 5x or something like that but I think mainly that's going to be at the Google event then we had the g pad 2 or whatever was just introduced in berlin maybe they'll talk about us availability because that just launched and and then I'm just trying to think like it could be maybe I mean there's rumors they're building like the g5 or whatever right there next bike ship whatever that is but it seems to me maybe a little too soon and I don't know that it's going to be that that thing of an event but it also could be something huge like that now and then we of course we also have Microsoft coming up on october six hmm it's like good grief but microsoft from weber here and it sounds like it's going to be primarily the surface forward yeah well surface pro 4 wouldn't and then the full surface yeah and then the phones i think you the I haven't been positive on the phones being there oh I think they'll be there because it's about time they said fall and we've seen plenty of leaks I they need to get something out the door I think they'll be there well at least these companies are being like Amazon was like oh hey look we have released new fires Yeah Yeah right they just priestly products were there like seven I don't that was ridiculous the fire HD eight the fire HD 10 the new kids tablet they had a new fire TV they had the fire TV gaming edition the fire new fire TV stick you find on Nick then they also had the tablet you could buy in a six pack yeah the fifty-dollar tablet at seven that was a crazy day and looking like nothing like no press conference just you know those I cutter and they don't send out like press releases you could fight him you know knew where to go look but it was just like we all went onto amazon for whatever reason we're like oh hey look there's new stuff which is great I kind of like that versus these huge press events and it's just like a zoo I agree i I'm not a huge fan of the the big precedence the only I just wish you even 30 minutes early send us the press releases so we can get ready right yeah you know that and for anyone that was listening earlier Todd was saying something about you know I was prepping posts for the Google event I just want to explain real quickly we have zero ants knowledge what we do is we prepare what we call skeletons which are simply we put in the headline Nexus 6 x yo is announced and that's all that's there it's just a ready built posts so I didn't want anyone thinking that we were like sitting on a whole bunch of knowledge we wish more ah that's something we do before every major event because it just makes it that much quicker for us on the day yeah he's here especially if we know like 5x at 6p seem pretty locked down right yeah sorry 6p so we would prepare up I didn't even catch that you said something else I I so six hours haha so we would prepare that ahead of time yeah I'm just like I'll be announced yes nothing like getting ready for events it's our favorite pastime around here but uh yeah such an Baja asks you know what we think of the phones but more specifically which we vary somewhat address that but what could the letters stand for and I'm curious about that because we really have no idea what those letters mean yeah no I don't know yeah I I I guess we'll find out or maybe they just mind uh denote them as something different I'm not sure yeah they seem like odd random choice Nexus 5 they need to distinguish it in some in some way but I think that was a really popular phone so they're trying to take advantage of that again by you know really see a new Nexus 5 and then they can't call it the nexus 5 2 right i guess like wouldn't be the first time a company's on something like that and so that's why i'm guessing the x is there in the p what that means for perfection yeah plus tablet well let's kick off the question and answer section with the most upvoted question from brazen Frank what did you return this week Todd I have not returned anything in a while but I did just buy the Amazon echo and I connected it to two one two three four five philips hue lights which has been awesome so I have those all connected to my phone the lights all connected to my phones but I can also control them from the echo so actually let's let's try right now for those watching I'll exit turn on my living room lights can you guys yes and so on Alexa turn off the living room lights there you go that's kind of awesome yeah so I I'm still not convinced i need an echo in my life but now but its kind yeah Oh mark Eric Lane has a great question referring back to the Google portion what about the nexus player will we see in new enhanced Nexus player to this year I want to buy one by we'll wait if a new one is coming we have heard nothing yeah I don't think so i think the nexus player was sort of i don't want to say proof of concept with it like a white box like here's what you can do with android TV here's what we did now go make your own and that's why you have nvidia and other companies making their own so i think i don't think there's going to be a player too if anything maybe some android TV talk on updates oh yeah i mean last year's when they basically introduced i think the new android TV interface and Nexus player and so we saw that for the first time I'd like to see some changes there uh this is a totally off topic but from brazen Franco since I had the exact same question of what was happening when we started the show got a new place Todd no I just flipped my living room so I move my desk the other side yeah but don't worry brace I also at what that what's going on the windows on the wrong side from michael de sel what do you think will happen to google wallet since android pay is now out we kind of know what's happening but it seems odd that both products still exist yeah well they're going to keep both they've already sort of talked about this google wallet is now purely for said and receiving money to friends sort of what you would do with facebook or venmo or paypal so like send Shawn $25 for pizza and then you cash out which is nice i mean i love venmo so if Google Wallet catches on among some people that's awesome but most of my friends you spend mousers our reason for me to switch then Android pay is just focus on what Google Wallet used to be which is you know your loyalty cards your credit and debit cards and making payments no retail stores yeah I'd I'm not quite sure why they didn't just combine them yeah well I think that's what they wanted to you originally but then maybe it got confusing and then now this is kind of cool yes because having two separate products that both relate to finances is not confusing at all yeah it should be called I like wouldn't it make sense of Android pay was the one to send money to your friends because that's the one that you're paying them with and receiving and then Google wallet's the wallet you take out in stores I don't know Oh what do we know about marketing hey from Jasper Rex what do you think of the LG v10 the dual screen seems weird yes it does yeah that's the one I was talking about earlier that it's it's been done before samsung had the dual display on the samsung continuum which launched on verizon in the united states and they just had that ticker on the bottom so this could be i mean it looks like the same idea it's just the tickers up top but we'll see what they do to take advantage of it but you know opening it up to third parties and stuff seems to be a value add for these kind of additional screens and then developers never do anything with them I mean excuse me look at how many apps or on the edge screens on Samsung's phone today I mean those are relatively popular phones and there's like nothing from third-party vendors like you eat five apps 10 apps the most so it really depends on what LG does with it that makes a compelling I totally agree from such an Baja what do you guys think of iOS 9 so far if you guys updated yes we everybody updated within seconds of the well as quickly as we could with however I have any fun I would say my there's one thing i don't like about it and that's when you do the double tap on the home button to close apps I don't like the new format yeah I don't like that either I heard the old format where everything was just this app this app does that now this window tiled thing is weird and yeah I'm not a fan but uh it seems quicker I'm not really sure about the battery life yet I do like the fact that at least on my iPad air that they change how many icons were on each page of a folder otherwise i mean it's it's an iOS update yeah I haven't really found a lot that i felt like i needed i guess it's nice to swipe down and see like my most frequently used apps so like when i was covering for starbucks today i just i found that there because I open it every day yeah it doesn't feel you know as drastic as other stuff but I'm looking forward to hey Siri on the new iPhones I think that should be pretty cool or you can say that at any time with these you have to have a serious to be plugged in yeah which thank goodness I have my headphones on because both my iPad my iphone are charging behind me and joey is a big fan of went on conference calls with me just shouting hey Siri and making them go off from Brisbane Franco for 199 what's the better purchase Nvidia shield TV or Apple TV I'll take this one I'm going to be very blunt we're we're big fans of the folks over nvidia there they're great people they work with us I was sent an Nvidia shield TV to review I did the review I was not impressed now that being said it was not the hardware the hardware was gorgeous android TV is not a complete platform yet is not easy to navigate is not easy to organize whatsoever you have really no saying how its organized it's very clunky Apple TV I'm not the biggest fan of but I would choose the Apple TV over the Nvidia shield TV any day of the week also there's more apps it's easier to navigate you know with the upgrades coming with the new one I think it's going to be even easier thank goodness for getting rid of the old remote but that is the it's somewhere here on my right here the this is the worst remote ever designed by a human being see now I the Nvidia shield TV I like because I spend a lot of for whatever reason I've just gravitated towards Android for my multimedia stuff so like my movie rentals and stuff or through google play store and I think that's a pretty it's good there and using your voice to navigate through movies and stuff like that is really easy and it works well and I do like the option right now it's free the pc streaming through your shield TV if you have a fast enough router so like the games and stuff that they give you for free you can play that's pretty cool that well that part i agree is cool but i think long-term apple TV just because it's open to more developer or actually I take that back developers had access to android TV as well there's just not a lot of apps that are made for it I think Apple developers iOS developers are going to take more advantage of the Apple TV I agree and then they already have so again if it was the nexus player you know no matter what would any product running android TV right now I'm just not a fan of I just don't think the system is robust enough yeah if you're going to buy any Android TV though I would get the shield I that I agree with you yes if you're set on getting an android TV device then yes then Vidya shield would be the one to get ya do agree with you from Damon Sanchez what do you think about the blackberry Venice is this coming up on being the most leaked phone in the man yeah i'm wondering when it's gonna finally make its debut at this point it's going to be the most anticlimactic release yeah oh okay I mean John Chen said that they've looked at it but they're not going to do it unless it really makes financial sense for them which is a wise move the doobies gonna buy it and don't make it but if it does hit the market I'm very compelled to try a blackberry running Android I I am too but i I'm sorry I don't I don't put a lot of credence in what John Chen said simply because like you know somebody was spied using it down the wild at the toronto international film festival it's shown up so many places we know there's a bunch of these things running around right you know this is not a we looked at and thought about know you're in some form of production yeah you you do not have this many units running around the earth if you're just looking at it right right good point yes I I just I have a real problem with that that line he said but i'm wondering if window and if they're going to make a big deal out of it too like is he just gonna hit their website as a couple of devices have where is there going to be a big like well I also think at this point it would be silly to announce it prior to the Google event you know why launch it with anything less than marshmallow yeah so I I think we may still see it this year I I'm convinced it's coming I just don't know when but uh we'll see it could be one of those things just you know like tomorrow oh yeah I I don't get it but boy we have a ton of question so let me see if we can't speed up here a little bit we got another streaming question I did want to get to because I haven't given an update on this recently from such humble hull hey Sean how's your cord cutting going to affect your watching the new TV shows that are premiering this week and returning shows also have any of you guys watch the limitless TV show if so what did you think of it well I never saw the limitless movie so I'm not overly excited about the TV show I might check it at some point as for how it's impacting how cord cutting for those i don't know i cut the cord back in may i am i'm completely streaming now it's really not that big of a difference i just i watch everything a day later you know yes I i already had a hulu subscription which I did up my hulu subscription when they announced the no ads version I was like oh yes for extra dollars a month my time is worth that much oh yes and then I also CBS is the biggest pain in the behind i watch for CBS shows so I had by CBS all access which luckily is only five ninety-nine a month but still like just join hulu we that will you please but no it's not really impacting my television watching at all the the only show that i could not find on a streaming service at this time and as a long long time fan I just want about the season was the new season of doctor who which I bought on Amazon but that was the only show from the the new season that I couldn't find through my various services so it's going great just i watch everything a day later it's just like DVR and just time shifting it it's working out for me uh let's see due to do ever brazen Franco is the iphone really rose gold to me it looks like standard p its standard pic yeah that thinks pink it's pink i don't i don't know where we got in this world that we have to call pink rose gold sounds fancier i guess its bank yeah daddy here i'm sorry you can try to tell me all day long that it's not bank but it's hank from such a baja do any of you guys use any launchers on your android devices of so which ones I I just use google mail you use a Google now launcher I think that's what John prefers to i use apex on all my phones after i review them yes they make that very clear we never we never installed third-party launchers until post reviews time I've tried to jump through hoops to install sense on some phones to them because i really like it but uh and you can do it it's just kind of a pain in the butt yeah so I don't go apex and I do apex because I mean that's just the first premium one that I bought and then I like to have as many icons sort of on the home screen as possible so I can show you see restarted I don't have a phone on me but they're all small right along the bottom so i can fit as many other screen as i can cool from michael vez el do you think the surface funds will be a hit history says no yeah yes I want them to my other side I really want them to be but they have such tough competition to go against right now that it's going to be tough but then the nice thing is if Microsoft can show that developers are actually creating apps for Windows 10 that run on these phones also through continuum or constant no Continuum's what they call it continuity that continuum where it basically just scales the app down to that screen then that's really cool because then you can plug it in using presumably us bc or some kind of other wireless display standard and then you've got the full app on another screen that's cool to me but we'll see if they actually freak on I I'm still just waiting on the Kin three on the kid 3 yeah I might be waiting a while on that yeah from brezin Franco what do you think of apples pan on the shape down 3.5 millimeter jack when I be simpler to just use the 2.5 millimeter audio jack or at that point just use the Lightning port and isn't the race to this phone becoming ridiculous yes it is becoming ridiculous I think the if they go with the shape down 3.5 millimeter which if in case anyone doesn't know there was a patent filed wasn't it back like in 2011 yeah 2011 so I don't yeah that pans been saying around for a while so anyway it came to light that it's a shave down 3.5 millimeter which means that your standard headphone jack will not fit into the this jack which means selling a lot of adapters a whole lot of adapters but as brazen mentioned since the time of that being filed the Lightning port came around mm-hmm I think that some point Apple will do away with the 3.5 millimeter and just go with lightning yeah that to me makes the most sense or just bluetooth like that's one of the you know Wi-Fi or Bluetooth direct to a blue to set of headphones like why rely on either on but yeah I think if you needed something all we just go through lightning Brendan like keep the phone this thick if you're making these kind of advancements and whatever space you have left fill it with battery lead to 3.5 million your headphone jack look at the problem yeah exactly / Mykal the sale hey Sean when do you think the Kin 3 is coming out my fingers are crossed man yeah I favorite really cross if nobody for those of you that may not remember the kid one and two I have them in a drawer back there I'll dig him out for one episode you got take those apps what did Abby did they sell it was like five it was like a couple hundred thousand each it was the worst phone phone lunch ever yeah um yeah oh it was the kid wanted two were so that when we say Microsoft has a stray of problems with phones yeah but I mean windows mobile was hugely popular I'd wanted to all I can remember is when they launched the kid wanted to you couldn't turn on a TV show without those commercials running heyo how much money over like four months oh it was unbelievable uh talk about a disaster yeah we got a lot more questions here I'm trying to get through as many as we can from Sol G au jus bleah I hope I pronounced that correctly google photos updates maybe yeah that's what I was talking about maybe we'll see it there maybe it'll just be updated as it usually is but I'd like to see it there i mean i love google photos it's where i put every single photo i have and i love that it creates these auto awesome images and the i guess the latest rumor suggests that he might have collaborative galleries which would be really fun super interesting question from chris patten um what dual sim unlocked phone would you recommend zenfone 2 alcatel idol 3 so me and my four c or any other options is it possible to use a data only sim from t-mobile and a phone and use a voice text em cricket nothing I don't want one active under mat work I don't know either I that is one thing i wish the more and more people are carrying two phones because EO they have their work phone and they have their personal phone somebody released dual sim phones in this country haha I don't get it I guess you I I don't think you could do that but maybe I don't know I've never used a dual sim phone to be so I'm not sure hey I grew out of those options now show me seems to be popular I've just never used it i really like the alcatel I don't three those probably worth considering Nate curse that's a super interesting question we unfortunately we just don't have that much access to dual sim phone so we've never gone to try that concept but it's an interesting idea yeah I always thought and I'm probably wrong that he kind of had to have one or the other but that doesn't really make sense for people with sheriff own so it must be both but I don't know that you can granularly leave data on one and voice and voice and text on the other possibly i guess no uh hi guys I this is from Phineas hi guys i have a iphone 6 is it worth it to upgrade to the iphone 6s plus we're at some news on this yeah you're not doing it and I thought you're doing it i'm not doing it my feeling is that there was not enough there yes 3d touches interesting yes faster processor I can't live without those things yeah I I'm just going to wait for the iphone 7 you know fingers crossed after the I parody or three disaster I don't know what's happening anymore my third set hey maybe it could be the iphone 6s double plus I don't know so yeah i'm i'm not convinced i needed an upgrade Todd well Todd's Todd I don't know that I know yeah I was gonna say I'm not the regular consumer so I'm doing it for a number of reasons and I feel like it would be weird to cover mobile newsle all the time and not actually have the Apple flagship on my desk of all the other collectors but also the upgrade program was compelling to me so you know I pay apple monthly and at the end I give the phone back and then I get the iphone 7 and continue on with my life that one seems that seems pretty cool and then I was thinking well then I could just sell this and maybe buy the ipad air 2 or something because i was thinking about grabbing one of those anyway well i don't know i mean i was like either buy it now or wait two months and then i'm going to buy it then anyway so let's me back now why would you buy an ipad air 2 at this juncture because the ipad pro starts at seven ninety-nine that's too expensive to me i have the ipad mini 2 and i was thinking well that could use an upgrade is getting a little sluggish at this point so i could go with the ipad 4 or just get the larger screen because i haven't owned a larger screen ipad ever really crazy yeah i've always had the mini i did not know that that's interesting um okay there was one other question I guys I'm sorry we're gonna have a bunch of unanswered questions you guys have had great questions this week though oh shoot I can't find it right now there it is brazen Franco is the tablet market fading away like the netbooks with phablets becoming the most popular devices in the ipad remaining the only relevant one tough question as a rly yeah great the upgrade market has sort of disappeared because I mean I think that's why we didn't see Apple interviews an ipad air three like who they probably didn't see a huge number of updates from the air to the air too and so they were like well why would we release the near three so they release a different fun-packed form factor the ipad pro and probably hoping that oh this is distinguishing enough that people are going to be like i need that one because it's different it's got that finger screen i've never had that before and they've got a pen and i've got a keyboard which reminds me a lot of surface yeah oh I yeah here's the thing though I i we don't know what the reasoning was for no ipad air three i think they overlooked the idea the dirt ipad air 2 was just an iterative update it was not major I had every intention of getting an error three I have a feeling a lot of original ipad air owners were thinking that so now they're assuming that we're just gonna go oh well we got no choice but to pick up the the behemoth which is not as user friendly I I am a huge tablet user ID I i am the i am the poster boy for tablet usage and i just don't want to carry around a 12-point 8-inch tablet yeah samia and the fact that it's got the faster processor right so like that is compelling but i didn't see what i was saying on earlier podcast episodes is this a tablet that i could really work from that's different from the ipad air 2 like it's got a bigger screen but I don't need that to do I mean I could do that I can do the same stuff off of my iPad Mini aside from the multitasking but there aren't the third party app support that I would be for that because I would want google hangouts on one and whatever i'm writing and safari on the other so like I could do all of that on the ipad air 2 why would I get this other tablet because it has a keyboard but i can buy a cheaper keyboard for the ipad air 2 because it has a pencil i don't need that at all never use a pencil in fact i actually just go on don't forget the pencil is a add on purchase right exactly yeah the total cost comes up to what like 1,300 bucks it's ridiculous it's ridiculous but speaking to brazen more general question do we think the tablet market as a whole is disappearing that's a really interesting question you know we've seen that sales are dropping however they're still selling tens of millions of tablets but you know as I've said before when I'm on a plane I always look around like mid-flight what everybody's using I don't see other tablets other than ipad I once in a blue moon I see the same song I once I sign the sous transformer I was like kudos to you because I love those tablets yeah they're great time yeah they were so I don't know I we all dreamed of the day tablets would come along they got here and I just don't know if they didn't do exactly what we hoped they would do and we lost interest in them or if this is just possibly a wall i don't know i think the tablet market is in a very odd space right now yeah well i think also like how many people do you know that don't have some sort of tablet and among those how many of them actually want another one a new one rival gosh your friends you have older iPads or nexus 7's which is really popular i mean i still love that neck systemic and then they're like well why I shared the best buy sale yesterday with them where they knocked a hundred and seventy five dollars off all the ipad mini trees and they were like well there you go HP TouchPad right that's what it was touch and on my bed Oh like know what my desk and they were all like well why would i get another tablet there you know this is just fine so that's the thing I think that's the problem this people just don't see the need to get these three tablets yeah now I picked up the touchpad on the fire sale and I keep it around it in the building I'm n we have cement floors everywhere so if we need to walk around with a tablet at the time we grab the touchpad because we don't care if it gets brown hahaha that's our oh we don't care what happens to TAF once I wish I pads allowed a cursor to I could really do a lot more work if I had a cursor yeah android android supports it just fine with a bluetooth mouse yep well folks we're going to have to bring the show to a close we actually run a little bit over and we we still have a ton of questions I always feel bad when we can't get to them all but thank you all for joining us and asking all those questions we will be back next week after all the Google craziness and what's happening but as always we do appreciate you finding us on iTunes and raining reviews that does really help out the show you can also find us on Pocket cast you can find subscribe via RSS feed or you can find us on the stitcher app which means you can listen to us anytime anywhere anywhere you can find podcasts you can find the TechnoBuffalo show until next week I'm Sean ani I'm the editor-in-chief of technobuffalo and I've been joined by deputy managing editor Todd Hazleton hi everybody till next week take it easy everyone bye-bye