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okay there are you people happy we focused the camera before the show before the show not during the show and I'm pretty sure that we got it right but then again this is coming from the same person who was pretty sure we had it right all those other times so welcome to the Wynn show guys we've got a great show for you guys today I'm gonna be having James and potentially some of the other writers join me one of them is actually working on the review of something really really exciting that's me int she's not working on anything exciting are you someone finally said it you get all the like monitors and stuff I got good stuff I like like what I like working on the Bigsby thing yes okay yes actually bad it's gonna be a good topic for later we're gonna be talking about line is showcase tips which is not the internal code word for it but is definitely what we're gonna be calling it externally you made me delete that I did I made you delete I made you delete the internal code word messed it lest it leaked from our from our facility here and James can talk about sort of what he's working on I can talk about what all that's going to mean we also have some updates on legitimately exciting products or at least rumors on them including Intel's upcoming Z 370 chipset and coffee-like CPUs and in other news ok you do one let's see if you can do it right this time mmm AMD is killing crossfire done single card only for now on not true that's not when Luke and I get this crap wrong the excuse is that we haven't actually looked at the document yet if you've worked on it it's a joke it's called the joke they're still gonna have multi-gpu they're just not calling it you've seen the comments on our writing lately our writers shouldn't be making jokes I didn't see the comments oh you know it's funny though too because a lot of the time you guys actually get crap for stuff that I added to your scripts after the fact oh you're the worst let's roll the Israel and everyone says Luke looks weird but it's weird because you're not leaving not yet not yet it's one thing if designer babies men CRISPR decide your behaviors I could get into that all right that's someone who has a baby yeah like if I could like make my children slightly better wouldn't I you you're lucky your kids are likely to not ever watch this yeah it's the odds of them watching this episode of the wine show are pretty low then again I mean I I I don't really hmm maybe this is the wrong place to talk about this but I really get why people watch the wind show hmm did you ever watch the wind show before you worked here yeah a little bit really okay why did you watch the wind show well good question I was scrolling through the list of LTTE uploads and I accidentally and then and then I suffered from partial paralysis for 30 minutes honestly I washed it for Luke so it's just gone to shit now yeah you and everyone else all right so why don't we jump into our first topic today you know what I'm sure this one has got everybody wondering what the hell it is we're talking about this was posted on the forum by syntax vgm in the original article here is from PC world and naturally I didn't check my oh I didn't know didn't plug in my aged oh I'm sorry I just hit the mic of all bad people they're throwing headphones rip rip everyone with headphones I'm sorry you guys there we go boom that's what it looks like so AMD Radeon phases out crossfire the crossfire brand that is as multi-gpu gets more complicated so in a nutshell what's going on here they're just not saying crossfire anymore instead they're saying MGP you for multi-gpu not to be confused with mobile GPU and they're doing this for a reason related to DirectX because apparently crossfire relates specifically to dx11 applications do you know I hope that yeah so I can you can you drop this on us okay so first of all crossfire the branding has always been confusing AMD has used the crossfire brand for everything from ancient X 800 class cards with like these weird master slave DVI dongle nonsense things hooked up to them all the way to no master/slave relationship to three or even four cards running in tandem with these bridges connected to them more progressive and then and then they added an X for like you know it's the usual thing x4 extreme x4 that X Factor x4 cross fire again more crosses you don't like this you know what try this you know what I don't even I don't even I don't even need I don't even need all the comments about how I should get rid of you and bring back Luke I want to get look trust me no we all want Luke to be we all want Luke to be here okay James more than anyone because he gets to be in the same building as Luke when Luke is here doing the show um by 720 those comments say I'm okay thank you and visit there's still a chance and if my doctor got 5% on his exam well D I wouldn't be here to tell you about what if my doctor got 5% on his exam discount Luke its Kelly Yvonne's pregnant again okay so wow that would be complicated okay so basically they've branded a bunch of different things a bunch of different ways crossfire has even been used to describe running a craptastic AMD add-in card with the onboard graphics on your motherboard to make it slightly less craptastic and it never made any sense it was always stupid but that's not to say that all crossfire was always stupid that particular one was always stupid but this branding has always been really confusing so now they're getting rid of the crossfire brand and if you want my honest opinion I am I think it's just because they don't want to take responsibility for it when it just doesn't work but what does it have to do with api's okay so what it has to do with api's is that directx12 and vulcan are going to support multi-gpu rendering in a different way than previous api's so with direct exes nine to eleven the way that SLI and crossfire worked was via proprietary means enabled through the graphics card manufacturer so the game engine did have to support it but it didn't actually have to be explicitly coded in by the game developer so you could actually take a game let's say it use the Unreal Engine for example you could take some random game by some indie developer using the Unreal Engine and even if you had two cards and you got no performance benefit from SLI or crossfire or whatsoever no scaling no scaling at all what you could do is a lot of the time you could go into your Nvidia control panel you could manually enable some form of multigp rendering rendering rendering be it alternate frame rendering or I mean that's the most that's the most common one and you could apply up or you could apply a profile from a similar game also using the Unreal Engine and boom you would have SLI or crossfire scaling and a lot of the time it would actually work okay to the extent that it worked when it comes to DirectX 12 that's just not a thing so the way that it's meant to be implemented with DirectX 12 in particular is by the game developer so they are supposed to actually code into the game how it would utilize multiple GPUs in theory this would actually give you the flexibility to mix and match graphics cards in practice I personally think that this is basically the end of multi-gpu outside of a very small number of niche games where the developer bothers to code it in because that's how it is that's how it is right now there's only options of singularity Tomb Raider there's only a handful does Tomb Raider even scale well with M GPU I don't even well it does better under X 12 and 11 okay well there's only a few that do that so so so pretty much there will be those games that are as much benchmarks as they are games where they actually put all of this support into it because what they're trying to do is get like tech publications to use their game as a benchmark which is basically free advertising for the game so as far as I can tell a lot of game developers have finally clued in to the idea that putting a baked in benchmark in the game is pretty much getting marketing for a small investment in development time not to mention that it's just convenient for the user no kidding doom doom is the only newish game that we're featuring at all in all of our videos are still showing Deus Ex 1 2014 yeah so so basically that's what I think I think AMD is changing the branding because they just don't want to be associated with it not working and what is MGP you really even new branding or multi-gpu it seems just more like the name for it well that's exactly it is there they're almost there almost d branding it speaking of e brand this episode is brought to you right now actually so it's almost like they're just removing all their branding from it so that they have to take no responsibility whatsoever when the experience sucks because game developers don't bother because even now with the relatively and to be clear I'm not saying that it's not a lot of work to like make a game or whatever even what the relatively small amount of work that a developer has to put in in order to have SLI or crossfire work properly a lot of games it's like really broken so asking them to go several steps further and code it right in the game yeah we'll see I think you're right it just gonna be over if everyone's not doing it there's no way would you ever make that investment since it's the same cost as upgrading your card you need me for two minutes oh wow apparently you're on your own for two minutes ah again why don't you talk about it Oh Microsoft officially killed off no you don't want to talk about Microsoft killing this is your baby I'm talking about WeChat and the Chinese government WeChat in the Chinese government don't get political no no I don't need to get political you put this in you we have that we have the best non-political podcast the best I called up my friends and they told me we had this huge it was the banner if ik the best the greatest earlier this week we chat confirmed WeChat is a giant app in the in China it's like what's up a bit but it's more of a super app you can buy stuff on it I think it has mapping and a marketplace and stuff like that huge in China WeChat this week confirmed what everyone was already thinking and that is that it actually sends a lot of its users personal data right to the ruling regime the Chinese government so reading from the page here which I didn't do last week too awful effect WeChat has over 660 million users and in a recent privacy statement confirmed that virtually all of the private user information will be disclosed to the Chinese authorities this became known during a recent update to the app users were required to accept the update or to accept the privacy policy in order to get the update and in that policy it basically says all your base are belong to us now there's a couple scary parts to this hey max you sit down get in here no we don't want you you know that's the post - era you let's just get rid of James okay let's see it right okay no we're strong do this to me oh no we're not gonna do it yet we're not gonna dare you we're gonna strop pull it we're gonna strop pull it I didn't agree with the comments last week that said Linus was a harsh mean boss but I'm on your side now James nor max okay so it's I'm out of here you're lucky it's not 5:45 okay okay let's go ahead and create this poll here okay let me just say one thing I'm dropping this in twitch chat dropping this twitch okay guys guys hold on you got it you guys got it you guys gonna hit the the straw poll for me here okay straw poll straw poll okay I can't get the real girl talk about the wechat thing so flaccid here's the weird thing about this Beijing okay the Chinese government has announced that their regulations will mandate that we chat users will be liable and prosecuted for any information posted in the group that the government considers objectionable ie if you send a message to your buddy ago some something the government does not agree with and that gets read by the authorities you can just go to jail that's pretty dumb hey have you heard about Tiananmen Square I just like stumbled upon this web site that I shouldn't have been on and learned about it the authorities find that out you just black helicopters going to jail I mean theoretically it could happen a little tin foil howdy but is it we're not guaranteeing that it would happen but I I think that to say that this is anything other than deeply disturbing would be would be objectively incorrect it may not happen but if the language is vague then it could happen and that's what's scary yeah all right so let's go ahead and have a look at the results here No so let's so screenshare Wow 76% Mac's 24% Lynas so James gets zero votes with the head zero voting whatsoever he's you are sent you done goofed can you believe James got zero percent of the vote you voted James you are clearly full of crap because there is no James option on the poll which I did on purpose it's all James okay okay max come on in you're doing a topic 75% 75% of the audience wants max to come in okay let's see - do you want do you want it no no no you're out you're out okay so max do you want do you want like a softball topic or do you want like a no I don't mean literally softball sports either okay no I mean like I meant like an easy topic not actually like you know I do you know that kind of thing uh or do you want like a hardcore tech topic oh no no you really don't okay we're on a softball yes okay how about um let's see razor confirms development of a gamer oriented mobile device mm-hmm so what he said okay hold on hold on okay what about like the Amazon echo okay I literally do how does this format work okay um USB Group announced us announces USB 3.2 where are you seeing okay okay so she's more of a camera person uh here why don't we go with let's go with Polaroids new camera okay okay let's talk about Polaroids new camera it's not actually on the dog but we can we can discuss this okay okay the original article here is from the verge the first Polaroid instant camera in a decade is according to the verge adorable this is it mrs. the Polaroid camera can you imagine in this day and age spending $100 on a Polaroid camera bearing in mind that we're not talking it looks like a Polaroid camera by the way she should come a little closer do I smell bad no I'm just like you're just you're out of the frame camera person but the frame concept she's still working on the camera no III know it's confusing is yeah okay so bearing in mind it doesn't just look like a Polaroid camera like an adorable digital camera this is actually a Polaroid camera the I type film packets are $16 per pack for 8 color or black-and-white exposures it's rough does have a place in 2017 okay well film is huge now like I have a film camera it cost $16 for you to develop and get digital prints like emailed to you or whatever don't do that okay I'm glad we are talking about this what the hell uh yeah no it's just like it's a look you don't I mean like it has like a specific like feel to it and there's like it's just it's just the thing it's just the thing that you do so it's like an artsy art scene in thing yeah I get I guess yeah okay okay so then but what about the Polaroid camera that's really expensive sixteen dollars two dollars a photo uh yeah and that's probably US dollars so we're talking like two dollars and thirty Canadian rupees that's two forty two point four Canadian rupees whatever it works out - yeah no see that's okay but what about the kid okay because if we're gonna talk about taking a picture with a specific type of camera just to get like a filmic aesthetic that like all the cool kids are doing don't you think all the cool kids could get into polaroid cameras instant we didn't see cameras have been around like literally always we have those little cute ones you know the little like color pastel ones and they come out with like the tiny you know I hate you young people instant cameras have been around literally always do you know how much that hurts literally always since I was born anyway Brandon and I actually like went Hasse's on this Polaroid printer that he's gonna go get okay alright okay tell me about it okay so you have like this app on your phone yeah and you can choose any photo from this app and thanks vana yeah thank you yeah carry on so yeah you basically like connect us to your phone via bluetooth okay and then you choose any photo you want yeah on your phone and then you like you can even like add filters like they're little things that you can do you put straight from your Instagram on that thing is incredible and it has like it's those little ones it's like the half sized ones yep so you called it Polaroid but it's actually made by Fuji film gotta go okay so so basically how much does this cost is this it's just an inkjet printer early ISM 150 200 so 200 bucks and then how much are the refills ten four twelve ten four and is that canadian rupees or is that okay soso about eight dollars us for what ten or twelve exposures yeah it is so okay so as long as you're gonna print more than a hundred and twenty pictures this is a better value yeah plus you get to choose which one you wanted like print so you could take like a million selfies on your phone right and then you pick the right one and you print it out you're like oh I casually first try but nobody has to know you know we can add filters and whatever like I said so so if I'm to understand the sort of the the artsy person perspective on this the problem with the Polaroid camera is that you might frame your selfie wrong and that's the advantage of this it's just like I don't know I think it's better it's definitely more portable as well then like you know like when is VHS coming back never are you sure like how sure are you that my HS is not because because if we need little mini photo printers like this and if Polaroid is releasing a new instant film camera but like that's you can decorate with that and it's like physical memories that you can give to your friends are not going to give you a friend of VHS put tape because then they need a VHS player you know this is just title it's like the player is your eyeballs all right I've had enough of your crap Colton you know what a VHS is alright I dropped your printer thing that you wouldn't have seized on okay all right well thank you max that was fun and basically no Polaroid camera no right no help you're thinking about it now it's growing on you I I knew it I knew this is gonna happen they have ones that you can get it like Nordstrom I say that something dies yeah sure sure that you can like buy that they're like refurbished there about 150 us and those are like legitimate if you're really gonna go hipster you shouldn't buy like the new ole cuz it looks like a toy if you're gonna get a Polaroid camera so you know so the issue is not the Polaroid camera it looks kind of silly the issue is the look of the camera yeah that too because if you want to do it you gotta look cool and it genuinely does look like like one of those fake ones that you would give two or three year old yeah oh yeah sure take photos see this this is why this is why I don't get it a lot of the time I get all wrapped up in like specs and megapixels and like camera lunchtime and blah blah blah and I ignore things like well this trendy retro camera is sort of real retro and this trendy retro camera is like not real retro so cool yeah did you just and I think we're both destroyed at this point Thank You max James you can come back Linus doesn't get it confirmed says twitchchat perfect that's what I need on my Friday thanks max not too out hipster max but I don't think you can buy a hipster camera at Nordstrom a corporate chain we need to go to a vintage stores would be a real hipster she doesn't live in Vancouver who cares oh lordy okay alright let's move on to our next topic um what did you want to talk about you said oh you wanted to talk about Microsoft officially killing off Skype for business okay the original particle here is from the birds all right I know you were really passionate about this topic James Microsoft teams is replacing Skype for business to put more pressure on competitor slack all right fill us in I know this this one was really dear to your heart and even fun do you have you used teams question number one no I haven't used teams okay our office is not moving two teams I don't think no it's not okay do you have a burning hatred for Skype for business I do are you yes I do why is that okay so the problem with Skype for business is that it's not actually Skype is that okay yes there's that one it is for business so they have that going for them are we a business we are a business but we are a business that actually has office 365 subscriptions for all of its members but office 365 doesn't include Skype for business unless you get the stupid premium one mmm so Skype for business was kind of like the social network that requires everyone else to be on the same social network except it was expensive and it had no benefit as far as I could tell over other options apparently teams is giving slack some sweat yak slack is via they're actually giving them sweat I don't like this really wedding and then they're going over to the the slack office and they're like here's our sweat that is disgusting you are disgusting okay so I think that slack basically had all the market share and when I say that they're sweating I don't mean that like it's 50/50 now it to Microsoft teams exists no like let's be honest but it's enough and they're getting some cool new features so the ability to hold calls the ability to transfer calls they're getting voicemail which is like it's like it's like what are we gonna do away with voicemail and go back to little analog tapes that fit in your answering machine when with my Apple watch be a watch and audio conferencing so I don't think I've never used slack that way maybe the group checking does does slack have voice calling or I've only ever used the chatting and there's there's BOTS to my knowledge slack doesn't have voice calling so this is sounds like it's like Skype plus slack so if they out trip flocking lots of ways they claimed up their unveil to have 125,000 businesses using teams like in the first six months of rollout okay so no they apparently they apparently you can make calls and slack so I know Luke uses slack I actually I wish far more than I already did that Luke was here because Luke actually has extensive experience with slack and he has been using it with the floatplane team for quite some time but yeah there you go you can make calls and pretty much the problem with Skype for business aside from just not really having a compelling value add and not being inter compatible with Skype that's the biggest thing like the fact that you had to go and install Skype for business on your computer then the the login didn't cross over either and how confusing is that when they share the same name if you've never used or heard of Skype for business before and someone says they're gonna call you on it yeah you the time for the meaning arrives you log in your skype and you're like where are they that literally happened here that literally has happened to me quite a few times because as using Skype for business would only ever come up if the other business happened to be like stuck on Skype for business like everyone else just uses something that you can call into like what's what's their fate like GoToMeeting or whatever yeah where you can just call in with a landline or you can call in with whatever but Skype for business I think you're gonna be able to get that booty music so yeah so teams is looking like so it's actually using the same back-end as Skype for business but it's going to be losing the Skype branding and it's gonna be getting some some fun new features so Skype for business is gonna be around for the next one year yeah October 2018 and it's gonna be interoperable with teams throughout that period so that's kind of nice for like the ten people who use Skype for business what the heck are people talking about well everyone wants max back by the way of course um it's better-looking than me stream for YouTube is down stream for YouTube is down what I am so confused I am so very confused right now you know you twitch at people you guys are adorable alright let's talk about something James really wants to talk about this Ness many hmm so this was originally posted overall by WM groom a K on the forum and the original article is from overclocked 3d dotnet it looks like Nintendo's Ness mini may actually use the same hardware as the Ness mini the exact same so we might be just getting a new shell some new game roms and actually the same hardware check out this picture like wow people are upset so why are they upset two reasons okay number one everything here makes sense from Nintendo's perspective yes but just doesn't make sense of Courtenay the laws of the universe the nest the senesce know the nest mini classic like the last one got cancelled now we know that that didn't actually have to happen because they obviously are they're still making the same parts in the same fabs they didn't have to make it an exclusive limited time only thing but they did they just hate money as far as I can tell no this takes you more money it's like why doesn't macaws have the rib which all the time no it doesn't make you more money it has influxes of demand when it comes out well yeah but that assumes that they're gonna re-release the Ness mini I think it says that they will it may not be in the notes but I think like next summer they're gonna do that again the the second reason is that they could have made the super Ness all the time the whole time they have the hardware records it to make the Super Nintendo and only now they're giving it to us okay so a thing we want to throw up all the time we could have had and if we still want now we can't have anymore but Nintendo has the power and we're like their prisoners okay so I'm gonna okay I'm gonna play devil's advocate a little bit here what was your first argument again now remember I wasn't really paying attention they cancelled products yes they so they stopped production of the Ness mini so I okay yeah I really don't have a justification for the okay as for the senesce mini not being released right away that makes a ton of sense because from a marketing perspective you want to you want yeah you want to have products to roll out you want people to have something to spend their disposable income on this month and then if you release you're basically fighting yourself don't make them choose yeah don't make them choose you know wait till they've gotten a few more paychecks and then release something else the other side of that argument that I'm gonna devil's advocate a little bit here is that while obviously Nintendo didn't run out and like develop a bunch of new games for this Ness mini because that would be besides the point um it's not like there wasn't gonna be some development they had to do because this is now this is not a janky ROM running on Zed smash on your old laptop that doesn't even have a modem in it so literally copying like roms over on that 16 Meg thumb drive that one of your friends in high school gave you because he's a super cool dude and he like you know went back to China before we had USB thumb drives here in North America one here one well because anyway the point is you know this this is not some you know and all right so then you have to use your USB Drive on your desktop to copy your roms over to this laptop and then you take the laptop around with you but it actually doesn't really have like a working battery anymore so you have to be plugged in you know totally hypothetical story this is it's gonna work good it's supposed to work properly so they actually do need to spend some time presumably doing some testing making sure everything is smooth now to be clear it's not like you know nass or snow simulators running on you know arm CPUs is anything new at all but there's just some validation to be done before they can actually release a product like this they've got to create box art which you know you might not think about as a consumer in terms of like whatever it's it's boxer who cares you throw some art on a box like what's wrong with you but you actually have to factor in okay you know which company is producing it what colors and what right can they put the the Nintendo seal foil on it can they do this can they do that when can when can they meet the order when can they print them when will that be delivered to the factory to be packaged to like there's a lot and if you're a business entity with limited resources and you're just gonna take this workload and spread it out over time so the way to do that is have all go in and then the next one not to mention that there's things like FCC validation that you or ul certification that you have to go through for any electronic device and you're gonna you're just gonna kill yourself trying to do everything all at once and then like so try to do like design all the hardware all at once and then try to build all the sava flow they can do all the harder all the ones yes that they did and then try to build all the software and all the UI crap and do all the validation at once and then their marketing deal with all the submissions for like regulatory approval all at once let me do all the marketing all it's not stupid so you think they're working on a little tiny n64 I hope so and would be pretty cool although snez is as the as sort of the console of my childhood actually that is my favorite clones but there are other childhoods that came after yours yeah but I don't care about those mmm so my my nostalgia has been totally taken care of at this point follow-up question if they did a release of a little n64 which means they're manufacturing new controllers do you think they would still have the joystick that had this string that got loose you know the n64 controller choice it got loose over time and it sucked or do you think that they would modernize that in that implementation and if they did would it change how you played those old games you know what I don't know if Nintendo would admit they ever did it wrong and if they did it differently wouldn't it kill the nostalgia like I okay so this this is really gonna be polarizing this is almost strawpoll okay listen let's hit something that's gonna be divisive like if you're gonna nostalgia out on n64 do you want to go to your buddy's house and he gives you the crappier controller that's loose in your Oh or do you want to be an even playing field like you should have been in an all all the time okay so I'm creating the 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that's good he doesn't make jerky though you did the ghost pepper yeah why not is that the hot the hardest one is that the Reaper mmm the second hottest one mmm it's got quite a kick though the problem though was not eating it the problem was that enormous piece that you made at one time because I get a text message from this guy hours later I think you might even the next morning actually that savage jerky though yeah it was actually the way it's sad in my stomach I felt pretty bad until I put a bunch of food in there after leaving so savage jerky its savage it's spicy it's like real-deal like you were like yeah I can handle spicy was that spicy I was spicy it was a spicy jerky I've ever had it's made with the great ingredients without nitrates or preservatives the goal was to create a snack that was full of flavor full of flavor it's spicy flavor mm-hmm you can't taste it when it's that spicy but okay one of these days I rest assured the other flavors are tasty a lot of them are really too see the the maple-bacon is really good um the man the what's the green one whatever the green one is I highly recommend the green one but anyway they've got rock we what the green one no not the green jerky I'm gonna got 13 different flavors though go check them out and also they make barbecue sauce hot sauce and a spice rub so they're Carolina Reaper hot sauce uses one of the hottest peppers in the world the the James the bell pepper know that the Carolina Reaper pepper so use all four coat LTT and get 10% off over at Savage jerky dot-com now let's go back to our straw poll I am really interested to see these results I'm betting on don't fix it fix it Wow sweet okay so you're with them right yeah I think if they refresh it they should just use the same joystick mechanism they using like a GameCube controller for example interesting even though you know if you're firing up some perfect dark or whatever it might be a slightly different experience I would hope I have never like side by side a be test of this but I would hope that a fresh 64 controller the feel of that joystick is similar to like a normal PlayStation or GameCube Xbox controllers joystick so do you think that's pretty loose from the beginning know when you got a new snap you want it was like yes when you got like get one for your birthday or something like that but how they degraded so poorly over time it was sometimes unplayable and if your player for you always got that one and then you have to buy another one in like if they could just avoid that whole thing again that'd be great James tell me something tell me about your childhood mmm were you player four do you look if you don't want to talk about it buddy it's okay but what were you player four sometimes I had two friends who are exceptionally good gamers and I got slate every single time at Smash Bros and gold night but I was good at perfect dark okay so that that's a big load of bullcrap Oh someone mix them up again was I not actually mmm that's a really tasty one actually now I don't even know what I'm eating though dang it they're all good so my friend you know what let me use his name because he's a game um and he deserves it so my friend tyson in high school food guy would have me over to his house guy had a Playstation one I kind of a season two we are right that's the camping battlestations house mm-hmm all right so guys got a Playstation one got a PlayStation 2 I was living with my mom we didn't own a game console at all computer yes game console no ROM don't you have like six brothers and sisters yeah and you shared one PC yes I was the nerd though like no one else really wanted to use it that much until my until my little sister discovered habbo hotel you guys wouldn't like this I love to have a hotel for a time terrible anyway so I thought so I go over to his house all the time he's got Playstations I got no console at all this guy he sits and plays Tekken like all the time and like what was that what was that car game that twisted metal twist yeah Tekken okay so he plays these games all the time I show up I'm clearly already at a disadvantage because I barely play them I only play when I'm over at his house and like with him so he clearly has my experiences X he clearly has X plus y yeah he was big nerd so I'm pretty sure you this Y is quite large and he gives me not just a worn-out controller he gives me this like total bitch mode like third-party controller like a Mad Catz or some with an ant no not even a Mad Catz no not even dollar store like the brand broke dick okay not only that but it has the analog stick broken off so the analog sticks is a stump and the entire thing is like the least certain like it's like this wide and my hands like even now my hands can fit on it you're talking about ps1 where analog was optional the default control didn't have sticks I don't remember yeah must be twisted metal must be ps2 then well the point is he makes me use this bitch controller because he doesn't want to invest in another PlayStation controller we try again he's a child he should give me the good one and he was not a child he was like 13 did he have a paper route job no but he should give me the good controller all right but he can't invest investing when your kid is like my birthday is here he should still give me the better controller that's I'm a guest in his house and I suck at the game he should play with the crappy contracts an adult perspective as a kid you're basically a little animal well and it's way of the road but yeah get nerfed do you think when you played a Bond Goldeneye when you choose your characters obviously you have an advantage if you're odd job because he's really small and people have to crouch to hit him or aim down and a me down sucked because they don't had one joystick do you think other than odd job that the characters that you chose and gold and I were actually balanced or that bond had just a light edge bond had a one more health bar it was a little faster do you think bond was different only one of my friends had Goldeneye getting better friends man yeah I know one of my friends had Goldeneye and I didn't go over to his house very much and as you know I didn't own any consoles during that time strawpoll so well no I actually am straw pulling a far more important question should the guest get the better controller this is far more important on if you want to win if you're the host no of course you're gonna win anyway you plate looking like I went through this with Luke when mario kart launched for the Wii U and we played it together like once like pretty early on I think and then the guys like playing it constantly and he goes and he pulls this whole telling himself that he's unlocking all the characters and everyone should be grateful but then you can't play with him because he's one of those hopeless people that plays like party games by themselves so they can kick everybody's butt at the party that's not fun that's not a party the best party gaming experience the best party gaming experience has come when nobody is good at the game which yeah everybody's playing some crap game that nobody ever heard I once won a mario party mario party competition at a real party and it was the mario party game where you have to shake the pop did you get invited to real this one's much you got to shake the wheat most like this funny cuz of a real party that's sad it was a real party because it was hosted by girls it was a real party it was real this is why it was real it was in college 1 it was in residence no parents it was hosted by women and because at the end of the tournament it was me against a girl and I won the whole time throughout the tournament I was using my right hand I'm left-handed took her out special weapon so you princess bride Edurne boom if she if she beat all the guys at that do you not get the reference I've seen the movie no no no this is how you feel when I do all the references no you guys every Friday you can't have seen The Princess Bride The Princess Bride is a fundamental cornerstone of our culture you okay you three or four years older than me I don't remember yeah when you get old does your memory starts to that's their different all right you know what why don't we just do a tech topic cuz I've had enough of your bull crap can we do Amazon they surprised that rooms we six new hardware products out of nowhere who cares it's just more like digital assistance because you're in Canada and you can't use them know you care right we should so are you we should have someone in the states who just has this stuff and just just reviews Amazon correspondent all right so the original article here is from TechCrunch so there's there's more echo hardware there's more echo Hardware echo hardware that go hard the new echo is a refresh of the original it's smaller it's a hundred dollars has got a cloth covered body it has a dedicated woofer and tweeter this is a key aside from the products that they introduced it's so interesting in the in their business model in the way that Amazon works which is completely different to how any other hardware manufacturer works there's not six Google homes there will be another one next week but you know you know what I mean they just launched six there's like one with the screen one without a screen there's big one at all and there's there's so many and they're all dirt cheap why do they do that how do they do that why doesn't anyone else do that I know why they do that go ahead let me tell you it's because Amazon has so many different parts to their business all these parts are interconnected and actually create a positive feedback loop with each other so they can sell these hardware products dirt cheap because the point isn't to make all the revenue from selling these hardware products their point is to get people using Amazon echo to order things on prime to spend more money in their core business which is selling stuff on amazon.com I'm not actually convinced that their core business is selling stuff on amazon.com are they still losing money on that like with Prime I only have to order like two things here in Canada - just like req Amazon on Prime but you're an outlier because Amazon's data shows that Prime customers on average spent $1200 a year $1200 a year yeah but that doesn't change that that Prime customer could be like they could be losing a ton of money on that Prime membership on just $1200 orders like you order a couple computer cases and they're like they're done like they're done for what they're charging for Prime I mean I think honestly I think their core business just from the shipping date I'm getting free shipping AWS is a huge part of the MS I think it's like a third of it now and they have all the market share in that space they're not just AWS but just knowing what people are buying understanding the consumer because right now like Amazon is like it's like the Silicon Valley startup which they are of course but like the Silicon Valley startup like on steroids well they're the one that made it through the dot-com bubble yeah where they just they just never actually exit startup mode yeah they just keep making their business like worth more and more and more and it doesn't actually matter how much money they make because it's sort of irrelevant and then once they've just crowded out everybody else then they just crank all the prices and they're like yep come at me will it mine I mean right now they're still in start-up mode so they go and acquire Whole Foods and I slash all the prices but it benefits consumers for now for now yeah until like when Amazon merges with Costco then we're all done for it mmm that'll be the and that'll actually be the end the end of time the end times whatever it's called the dark times is something the reckoning so there's a new echo there's an echo Plus which is the same as the original but now as a smart home hub its beefed up how many people have smart home crap well that's the thing so what Amazon does is they they put a little fishing line out and that was the echo they see how well it does and then if it makes money or there's interests or a markets developing they just hammer it and that's what they're doing now with these race to the bottom priced the deluge of products there's six of them they're beating Apple and Google to the punch here I think at the Google event which we're gonna cover next Wednesday morning I think Google is planning on we know they're announcing a small Google home but there's speculation that they are also going to release one with a screen on it that can make video calls and watch Netflix which is a direct response to the echo show so this is a hardware tech space other than ebooks I guess re readers where Amazon actually has a lead over that the biggest players so they're trying to grab market share it's a land grab yeah so pricing wise everything from 99 to 130 for the echo spot which is kind of like a crossover between the dot and the show smart alarm clock that can make video calls I mean basically yeah so the idea is they want these things all over your house echo button is 20 bucks a pair hockey-puck sized prepares with the echo necks like an inner place for like trivia games yes so you can interact with it it's ten bucks I just I really do think I'm losing touch like I'm getting old fashioned check it out the echo spot though or which one of these there's one that has a speaker on it that's oh it's that's the fired TV now I can't believe that being willing to take your phone out of your pocket to look something up is old-fashioned now don't you want to be able to use it when you're cooking you're hands are wet my phone's waterproof get on my level but you can't swipe it's called an apron apron I can picture you in or a tea towel who cares oh it's so annoying cuz bixby as you'll see in our upcoming video you can control the actual interface like Bixby's swipe left how sweet is that just have your recipe up there your chops off bixby scroll down you can see the next part of the recipe awesome hey Siri Oh for crying out loud this this is why it this is this is the problem with all this stuff none of it works the way you expect okay here's something you like a little you'd like you have an opinion on this right fire to apologize to me I don't need friends who apologize they got a new fire t 4k it's $70 that's $100 less than the Apple TV 4k I'll get rekt Apple $100 less it's the same price as a chromecast 4k okay alright I just I have such a hard time caring about that I'm speaking of things I have a hard time caring about um NumLock 21 posted this on the forum the original article is from guru 3d you don't care about this is this is exactly the kind of thing that gets your blood rushing actually no what am I supposed to do would 20 gigabit USB stuff fast yeah like what do stuff fast know what what stuff am i doing taking stuff off of external stuff putting out on their stuff why would I be doing that you're a camera person I have an ass you're a camera person okay what am i okay okay okay okay in the future so can we just introduce this this is pretty cool so basically it's an update to the USB 3 spec that will allow what would be a five gigabit line to carry 10 gigabit per second and what would be 10 to carry up to 20 so that is a doubling of the bandwidth this will be done by adding two-lane operation over existing USB C cables so provided the cables have been certified for 10 gigabit per second super speed USB then this will work however both the host and the client need to be compatible with the new standard so theoretically 20 gigabit per second we're talking like 2,500 megabytes per second so let's say hypothetically that some you know camera manufacturer that thinks they're just way too good to charge reasonable prices for their gear where to actually release recording media that is actually faster than just an off-the-shelf M SATA SSD let's say that they were recording to nvme SSDs if I had a reader that could read at you know 220 gigabit then I guess if I also had a 20 gigabit you know network then I could copy over to that if I had a Thunderbolt what am I doing with this why do you care so much about thunderbolt but you don't care about this well Thunderbolt school because it's Daisy chainable it carries DisplayPort which okay you see DisplayPort as well but it can okay but it can carry DisplayPort and data at the same time it's a PCI Express connection we are you saying that USB see you can't do data and DisplayPort at the same time not that I'm aware of okay um okay the other the other thing about Thunderbolt is that because it is essentially PCI Express oh for a wire without like janky adapters you can actually run basically internal cards so if you want to have a USB graphics card for example you need something like craptastic you know USB 3d accelerator with the freaking 2d crap on it it's complicated they're over $100 if you wanted a Thunderbolt graphics card you could just use a real graphics card and you don't have to go and spend $600 on a razor core $500 or whatever it is you can get something like that beast thing from banggood we got one we never got it working but that's a whole other issue the point is that there's the potential for it daisy chainable PCI Express regardless of the actual rated speeds of either of them is cooler that's cooler but let's back this up a bit obviously you can't be mad that this is getting faster no and that it uses the same cord I just jump some of the crowd I'll have a single thing that benefits from 10 Gigabit USB let alone 20 we we all want the technology to move for it but here here's a couple questions first question when are we can expect these things to any devices like this to actually hit the market I don't probably you don't even see Jen - really yet I think barely does a z2 70 chipset I think I think z2 70 finally got USB 3.1 gen2 No I don't think it has it I think and these chips have sad to have 399 dos yeah I think that's um that's the next-gen until feature so we're probably like maybe the leapfrog it not to three years away but we'll see second question I could be wrong as a clarification you said when you introduced this topic that it will double the speed of either your five gigabit cable or your ten gigabit cable so it means you'll be able I thought it was only for only the ten gigabit cables could do it so no it's basically they're just they're they're doubling up on what could be carried by the existing cables so right now you can and I mean the cable certifications are like and you know you can get a five gigabit cable and the chances of it doing ten gigabit are probably pretty good if it was a good cable in the first place so I don't stress too much about that stuff how would this what else we got iPhone eight swollen battery have you seen this I have Hardware zone.com the original a poster on the forum was vegetable stew like great name reports of swollen batteries inside the new iPhone surface online like I know this isn't gonna matter or make a dent in anything either their perception or their sales but I still just it's a little win I like when this happens to Apple why I don't know someone bought an expensive thing and it broke yeah well they're gonna be fine they're gonna get another one that's it is a drag you might take a couple weeks for them but I think it's just you know what it is Wow it's not too anti fanboy it's just that some people are so hardcore fat like I try not to find boy anything try to be scientific about things when people found boy really hard as many Apple people do it's just nice to have something to point to be like it they're not perfect okay they're not the iPhones aren't manna from heaven based correct sometimes okay so this happened in Taiwan and Japan after three days using the original charger apparently one of them's body and screen split from the bloat I mean a half centimeter gap yeah that's how much it swelled Wow a lot there are unconfirmed reports coming in that the iPhone 8 plus uses the same battery manufacturer ampere X Technologies Limited as the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 we're in baby burn herp a derp now if that's true then that looks pretty bad on Apple and Samsung well no not Sam's because I don't think I mean Samsung has sort of fixed their crap I don't think I've seen any reports of notates having any issues razer confirms development of a gamer oriented mobile device the company confirmed earlier this year a 15 million dollar acquisition of all shares of mobile start up next bit who had previously produced the next bit robin smartphone and they canceled it when they bought them mm-hmm okay founded in Singapore with Labadee Blood cetera wow they really did not much to say about it so I want to speculate though shirts what does it mean to make a gamers phone other than black with green accents definitely that's a given probably really boxy and lots of fuck angles on it but aside from that high refresh rate screen you have to see a high refresh rate screen but again that's a bare minimum given that razor still doesn't have a high refresh rate screen on the latest blade I wouldn't get my hopes up if an iPad pro exists already that review is still coming by the way if an iPad pro exists for a year before this gamer phone comes out and one of the things gamers care about is high refresh rate screens if that already exists and then this phone comes something doesn't have that lights out I don't think a lot of gamers know that they care about high refresh rate screens to be perfectly honest like our audience I think is more educated when it comes to that gamers now console gamers like I think I think they think that 60 Hertz is pretty good well if you're if everyone has the same hardware it's like having a console the phone will be basically like a consequence everyone's using the same hardware so they could lock the fridge right I just mean like nobody is necessarily demanding this right or are they because as for another news item in here the head of Playstation was like yeah we're not doing mobile gaming anymore yeah I know because smartphones so they're still selling the Vita within what is it Japan I think is that it and it was like Japan and somewhere but yes Sony is basically like yeah nobody wants handhelds anymore we have not seen that as being a huge market opportunity outside of Japan and Asia you might say what about the switch but that's like a hybrid it's kind of like an exception I think they made market share for themselves mm-hmm because well yeah because they made market share for mobile devices because it replaced their TV console hmm so exactly yeah yeah no choice but to buy a mobile gaming console so if you have a phone already for gaming I kind of think that makes sense to have a gaming phone yeah but what is it okay so high refresh rate what else makes it gaming maybe they'll just sacrifice like you won't care so much about camera they'll give you more room to have a bigger beef your components but the camera doesn't take up almost any room like it's all processing driven these days anyway and I would make the argument that if you're gonna try and sell me a gaming phone if anything it should have a better camera it should have a great front-facing camera so I can really streaming three mobile games maybe it'll only have a front-facing camera oh lordy maybe it'll have like a joystick people are like battery life okay if Razer came out and they were like yep it's a flagship class phone it has like a six thousand milliamp hour battery I'd be like okay sure because now you can actually go and play your clash of the clans for like five eight hours uninterrupted on a device well it'll probably band I'm kidding I know it's clash of clans there's a problem I would expect it to be like double thick because under this like gaming moniker you can get away with certain things that people don't normally allow in a normal phone it might be fat and have a huge battery yet see there it is there it is they're like clash of the clans law so apparently it's dead - I don't know that's the joke from grab of cash oh man I always know I can set these guys off with my outdated and like incorrect gaming references anyway what about this this angle here okay what do you got the creation of an original mobile device also opens up the potential for razer to invest in mobile esports a growing space those rays are actually like trying to build products that people want to buy and make money or they just trying to like pull a Silicon Valley and make their business worth a lot so that they can get acquired mm-hmm don't they what what are they doing with the like that currency don't remember but they're like dabbling we're doubling like everything like they did an Android console for the living room like what happened to that thing no idea maybe they're just trying to have like a fully engineering ecosystem I remember they were really excited about their competitor for like Nvidia games dream and steam in-home streaming they showed it to me back at CES like no no two years ago or something like that I was like yeah this isn't very good they're like oh yeah but it'll be like way better and then I don't think I've heard about it since Elon Musk wants to use his rockets just to fly around Earth like go from here to London in 30 minutes 30 minutes same price as an economy airline ticket price somehow no wonder he bailed on the Hyperloop because that's like way better not for the environment no but it's faster hell yeah it's faster it'll show you into space like low-earth orbit and then you'll just go look at 18,000 miles an hour I think it is like an order of magnitude faster than anything humanity has ever done and they're building this in this next six to nine months they're starting it well he's crazy and it's after six and tgi-friday baby one comment though the question everybody's mine if you are gonna fly to your business trip in Shanghai on this thing what kind of G's are you pulling on the launch pad are you like me I looked it up turns out the human body Ken was down nine G's mm-hmm and that Gravitron game at the yeah like play later yeah we're it stick C to the wall I mean like your phone goes flying that's like two and a half to three G's and Wow yeah so that's only a third of what your body can take I've been fighter jet but there's that other Gravitron there's the it's not called the Gravitron it's called legs and are something the one that flips up on the side oh yeah so on that one it spins about as fast as the Gravitron I think because it has to keep you stuck to the seat when you're upside down but then when you're down at the bottom like it's it's stronger you're like shot in your like the slingshot into them yeah yeah yeah regardless anyway it's apparently a typical rocket launch is like three G's so similar to the Gravitron oh that's not too bad yeah Wow you could totally do that yeah you do that every day maybe I'll just commute from my house in a rocket boom boom indeed you would literally boom you would go to every conference you go to Computex you go to the Microsoft event to see the new surface whatever oh yeah an hour for the day so yeah see you tonight especially if it's that cheap I don't know how he's gonna make it that cheap I don't think he's gonna make it that cheap yeah well alright well thanks for tuning in you guys see you next week same bat-time same bat-channel bye bye thanks for stopping by you know that mean like the first mean I thought you're old and all them also done Luke died Phyllis Luke died how dare you stand where he stood Oh during the break when Max was on here MAPE tweeted at me he was like I like James there you go there's your 1 in 20 hey I got a couple last time exactly since you're coming in for tea like tweets yeah