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just to see since you guys are all Christopher luminaries learners oh I mean I think uh my opinion on it is I in terms of actions on this escalation identity II have a response to mantle I think that's unequivocal know they should know it would be I think a horrible mistake if summaries you know how many think it got panicked by this and made some lower level Indiana API you already have very good low level access through the GPU extensions and avidians always work without headed anywhere else give you as much performance as you want to trade the inconvenience of doom a convenient proprietary stuff now mantle is ending ad has talked many times the past about close to the metal type of architectures and he only ever became interesting because of their dual console it was just a way to do on the PC well I couldn't have cared less I the landscape does matter that they have both the major consequence of the similar architecture living entities developers we will be making systems architectural changes that go to those I so I think it's not a stupid thing for a you need to be doing it at this point there are some benefits that they get from it kinetic locations for steam steam box type things there I but there probably if Microsoft and Sony both embrace it that will be very very powerful for AMD but it doesn't look like they're going to movies by yourself I mean if I was still doing all of they you know all the major technology coding or next-gen game stuff I probably would not be embracing the mantle right but it would be there would be days wouldn't extremely tap to interpret but when I would dispassionately step back and look at it I probably wouldn't obviously others conclusions sure here's some good ideas omit we really liked the idea of having low level a little overhead access to the GPU I mean if you look back at what's in directx and opengl there's a lot of overhead and there's AP eyes and the multiple layers of them and the fact that they date back to in the old SGI Ottawa hardware rendering which is very very different than that a modern shader based apartment and multiple that we have now you know where you have potentially unified memory and processing power mobile and the GPU there are lots of ways of sharing data that go beyond just calling that one of the guys functions for every little thing what I do so they're good ideas there I hope that really helps the OpenGL committee and Microsoft shooter future immunize I mean if you ask me what I much prefer to have a low-level API I practice in the GPU the answer is yes but five of them each for different hardware architectures and vendors and operating systems was absolutely no that is the wrong direction for the industry - yet another API on the PC that's no different than the standard PC DirectX API and it's different in the OpenGL doping GL es that it just on Mac and Android iOS and it's different than the PlayStation 3 PlayStation 4 is Lola wondering API and it's different than what Microsoft provides and Xbox and hey I don't think it's a good idea so one of the key things about it is and one of the main reasons for doing is that it's not the replacement this is not designed that way and the idea is that we can solve some of the long term models that we've actually been having all the PCs but from all the stuff we talked about today performance of robust stable performance that those are things we can experiment and work but we do that bitty CPU module deputy also of course this is another Avenue you can see it's also really interesting because essentially opening up something that we're quite familiar with already who is spending the quality session last year work on the next gen consoles and architectures are saying we those architectures and it's a good video just as John described and I see even though we're not done without work with it and it's definitely not not done yet theater to be able to be shipped out I still see it as a success even right now actually just because of these conversations and the amount of things that actually the not the developments and the amount of so they're both the solution and even the opposite services and all the type of them it's been a bit stale they say in especially than PC graphics when it's Microsoft a switch focus for quite some time opportunity other things which they probably really did mean to you but I think now before is a really exciting opportunity both on the on the piece of space in the stuff for experimental learning on the consoles but also mobile as we discussed before okay what should be prescribed medicine all these things and this is just good to have lots of different avenues to experiments and actually improving deliver concrete value it exists but it was John and Tim that video would do there only do and then individually with you an API that's not a future that would be very very a lot of work at you yeah myself and from those does play the part of optimism momentum will be quite influential in what we do by calls it specifically with is just a start yeah you get used together just it's bad for the market in general stuff but when you say it's the two questions what do you think is the cost like the man years who implement a mental support and feel again but he think is he offered even you see that could you try to quantify that it's in this to we've been very busy just to making sure our game works overall and actually ship ship and shipping it out or almost done with it so it's too early the city will have a lot more information in November talk more about it and they're more interesting to see I think it's important also to what message that people general people have about developers can be difficult to understand that because of all nights it's actually it's not like people okay we solve this one we're done go home and gaming Roswell and ball makes it's like whack-a-mole you fix one and then you thought that that was the same you make that four times faster and then of course the biggest issue is that really got architecture large-scale vision to take maximum it's done no API just also really makes a dramatic develop some things because if you've built a good game engine API even you can magically made all that she doesn't it's the possibility of you I mean there's stuff one GC and I'm very excited about some of the e synchronous pipe like use for different things it would be great to you know they take direct direct control over a gradual approach closer of shortly doing advance before it's not like felt before is only dedicated for a specific guys in there while it work with something and deliver concrete benefits and evaluate and then go forward and see where we are and opening in future all the sign games based on many of the concepts that we're proving out earlier now that we can develop myself I think that's the question it gets changed for the entire industry even though people sometimes people get stuck up on like the roles they thinking again Oh see the discussion that I've had before okay it's move upward replace whole OPC memory while actually is about this invention in the industry overall and you want that competitiveness not necessary but having frightening movement pitching these type of ideas for many many years for every single vendor and it's actually talking just about my own egoistic view of solving my own specific problem this is that we see a lot of stalls we see a lot of performance performance gone missing in many areas that we want to learn how to program main a machine on a lower level I think that's something that will both serve both outgoing portables so it's good is an R&D platform for developers it's here middle aged on your tongue but the desire find that they saw said that if it pushes Microsoft OpenGL folks to encrypt their drivers by realizing that hey you can actually achieve a lot of reports on PC what's the one of the level that needs think it would totally be bad if the outcome of this is that now we have to do is find livers to States from a great achievement effort and also the division or for mental well you can play up anyone's you don't any kind for the same word for short and but the vision prevent eliciting well it can become it's just that's not the right way to go out of addition there are no side views already bits brothers that with these few business shorty can make the DPI that's completely down to the level sort of what you like being on the PC we work to who suburban that started I would whisper that architecture what do you think the way modern GPUs work is quite different from from how the East or absolutely to kill this I was beginning to extensions and is revealed Nexxus many things but there are some analogies between all our products like by these let's also say that it has been working on it with video that it's really the future for all tvs and if yes the different members even the people talking problem I mean it makes sense that service remote in design the border and you see some some convergence towards things that are generally with the Sun and then but it's a great fit for or key hardware and this widget for developers really get down to GPUs are just peers on the same memory pool as the CPU and you really need like documented textured layouts and that's nothing that everything is coming associate so even the GPU is a combination of tons of different processors to significant the process it's a viewer named a GPU there's quite a lot of work in the pendant edges there and that's something that's Hitler promised how did you hear something that you from the CPU in prepare your commands to just give it to them it has an arm that tries to figure out which goes where that's just generally good design things post to do something picky like using the hardware video decompression stop or re-encoding there you have a better for a new API to do things like compute or salinity and give this well one of the best abuse cases is for breakfast which is kind of just a little bit weird but but it's not like you want to use opposed type to the pop-up window with your graphics and you want to use it completely separately than the CPU tries for for loading the system and you want to have background tests as well and I'm really happy to see I'm not going back from and just eat up whatever Victor units that are feeling you need you that's also generally good design community GPU space I'm kidding about these issues where I want GPU tasks tangibly and we have no concept of prioritization GVSU's where no we need to deal with specified time slices in priority of it it's about the CPU schedule more with us I think what you see first corner first mover advantages for the companies that the best party ever something else something elder so helpless closes so we for various reasons is the Jesus software side of things I am recite on that the card is that going to be licensable - why are you telling me that we have not concluded the notion of it frankly you know we're first trying to get it going yeah it's awesome going at the display yes order we had to change the chiku architectures get it going it then recruited any future it sounds like a separate yeah yeah only that pesky TCA Tim John yeah well we primarily is in video and I've got a light whose monitor on my desktop some and you'll probably update Americans yeah heard my voice fall down we got the voice of God over here telling us one more question