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and we're live on the new set again this is like the third set in the last two months month two months are you counting the between tooth burns kind of yes yeah definitely yeah so forth whose cases we had the original set yeah then we had between two ferns temporary we had between two ferns deluxe but I don't think that necessarily counts because it was like between six ferns and then we had like the we're in a corner and it's weird and then now we're here it was like the attacked linked sideshow yeah like yeah tech dinked get out of here relegated to the corner now dedicated hex wall yeah this is blue this is the new set the the orange chair is a little clashing though the white and gray chair works pretty well maybe we'll try to swap that one out who knows it'll probably never happened doesn't matter this is the new set welcome to the new nah man Chet Chet bizarro world yeah it's weird it's it's also very weird because we've had the land show in the other corner of the office near where the workshop is for the longest time not the entire time that we've been here because when show was technically like in some weird spare room for a little while and all this kind of stuff but for many years it's been in the same corner facing the exact same direction and now we are like almost as far away as possible hmm from that point at the complete other side of the aisle she'll be quieter over here it should be a lot quieter and I think the sound absorption stuff in general should be a lot better we'll have to I wonder what the twitch chat is saying let's do a straw poll actually I'm gonna set up a straw poll straw poll topped me I want to ask people whether it's like thumbs up or thumbs down for this set versus the other set all right you prefer the old area do you like the new area a new set better worse worse wait third option idgaf I don't care yeah whoa I don't care fatso hey I resent that okay what the heck what just happened you know refresh what is that there we go all right I want to see what twitch chat has to say there we go I missed the old set I expected that I expected a lot of people were gonna bring that up we fear change yeah a lot of people do for your change in general what do you think good new set old set which one strumming you with some other light I think it looks mostly okay no yeah yeah yeah get out of there blocking on Spooner later okay see way to go at it it's like you work around cameras some people just aren't camera where you know so we got lots of sweet wait are you still talking about strawpoll I am okay here we go got nothing never mind made it so a lot of people don't care majority people if they care think it's worse but that's not super surprising because again people fear change we're gonna ask you next week when I ask you next week again we're gonna maybe keep this poll going also the lighting is like really not perfect yet but we'll see how it goes I'm interested in what people think I think it should be darker Oh mood lighting yeah get some candles yeah the flickering yeah that Philips you tech candle okay but now on to the actual show what do we have lots of sweet topics tons of talking we finally found out for sure what happened in the unfortunate uber accident from March where that woman was killed you know we also now know that Apple knew that the iPhone 6 would Bend they knew it was gonna bend before it launched now we know that that's sick that is actually pretty interesting also Nintendo bans all online access to switch devices owned by hackers this is on a account basis we'll talk more about that later and there has already been GDP our complaints made against Google and Facebook in the least surprising news ever this is the deadline day for GDP our so you should stop getting mass emails about it pretty soon here I'm sure you got willing saved a lot by the way we're updating our privacy policy I didn't even know I subscribed to you unsubscribe I did a thing with the forum which is it's gonna annoy some people for suresies but instead of emailing everyone and yeah so the next time you go login yeah it's just like hey I saw that and I confused my first was a guy typed the wrong thing in and I load it again it's like I'm gonna have to scroll down see my problem is I did the same thing so I think a lot of people here do pretty confused you go scroll down and click the agree button sorry about that probably intro a little confusing let's press the button let's go oh really oh yeah oh it's a beautiful Lagoon hold on never leave hold on how do I I can't just yeah okay what's wrong will that do something yes yeah that will give you swamp but yeah thanks Edie killing me other than the intro maybe that's why I left savage jerky savage just like Edie Moss backpack the black pack yeah and then buddy got a gaming keyboard hey we're back I'm happy that I fixed the fix of the intro I wonder if that's the only time that it's been broken and then came back to life eventually a new intro for a new beginning speaking I was that doing the the reddening he's messing with the light whatever keep keep it going speaking of not new beginnings old old old happenings what just happened you may remember what have you done don't you can I keep going yeah travel back in time to September 2014 when the iPhone 6 came out and an unbox therapy was like biggest video of all time drop ok I mean it yes yeah so there was a bunch of viral content of videos and pictures of people with like look at my night a nice new shiny iPhone all bent to the shape of my legs my hipster jeans are so tight and then all the iPhone haters like me were like and then like they they don't always design things good it's a brick it does bent and then Apple basically said like this isn't a design flaw it's designed good it's just there's like some bad apples out there you know we've got a million of these things get it but now information contained in internal Apple documents filed under seal in a class-action lawsuit show that Apple knew that the iPhone 6 and 6-plus were susceptible to bending prior to the phone's launch the company found in an internal investigation that the iPhone 6 is three point three repeating of course times more likely to bend than the iPhone 5s and not surprisingly the 6 plus is 7.2 times more likely to bend than the iPhone 5s that's kind of a weird statistic as like the big ones more likely to bend then the small one no no kidding yeah yeah I was gonna say so then the phone launched and everyone found out there and I was bad and then in early 2016 many iPhone 6 and 6-plus devices start to exhibit symptoms of what's called touch disease so you would get like a flickering gray bar at the top your screen or your your screen to be working only intermittently or not at all yeah and then it was determined by various third-party repair people that that was happening because the the integrated circuit responsible for transiting that touches to code was getting lifted off of the board because your phone got bent so then the chip would get lifted off a little bit so then people started complaining about that and Apple didn't say anything they didn't confirm that but they quietly started to put what they call under fill' underneath the chip so that future phones that got shipped would actually be stronger but they didn't say that to the public they did not publicly acknowledge touch disease until November 2016 even though it was May of that year that they started fixing all of the chips and they only acknowledged it in November at because there was like widespread news reports about the issue and that thought that's time they said that they were gonna start replacing touched diseased phones for a mere 150 dollars and that had previously been a $350 charge and in it is public announcement when they said they're gonna do all this they didn't actually say that they changed that they started fixing them yeah they didn't say that yeah they just said they're gonna replace the touch disease ones yeah it's like I can't say I'm surprised but it is really interesting news it's probably gonna hurt some at least some amount of the Apple fanboys and but the Apple fanboys and hasn't been doing very well over the last few well that's the thing it's just an another episode in a series of trust betrayals over the last while whether that's iOS rollouts that had all these bugs or whether it's what else did they do naming schemes for well yeah the ten came out and while a lot of people do like it there's a huge amount of issues with it taking away the headphone jack pissed a lot of people off big one including loyal fans like like they that I I know this is coming from a PC fan and like an Android fan but I feel like sentiment really isn't there lately like back when I used to work in a computer store there was like you'd have the Mac people come in and they were a really hardcore and I worked with people that were there that were Mac fans and they were really hardcore and it was kind of hard to debate because it came down to both sides were giving logical arguments it just was that one side put more weight on one thing yeah the other side put more weight on a different thing sure so that made it so they were like different things it was fine it was an interesting battle now it's kind of getting a little worse because the stuff that they used to trash on like like PC stuff or Android stuff for is starting to happen on their side as well and then I think that Google's closing the gap now that we have a to like ship device that kind of represents Android being the Google pixel then it's kind of easier although Apple's still ahead in that and this we're talking about phones here the let's acknowledge as a Windows user windows sucks I'm like this close as a switching to Mac what what version of Windows do you run I don't think I have the spring creators update on my hand oh yeah hmm yeah that might be why I shouldn't have to use like 2004 software I know to get a good exposure soon like like 2018 stuff should be the best stuff if you can make it work without being a pirate you can get the the embedded systems Windows 10 version yeah far better or I would recommend the same situation embedded systems but you don't have to be a pirate to get it windows 8.1 it's just a lot better yeah it's one of my favorite things is when you're like hey I want to disable Windows Update and they're like or no it's like what that's not how a computer supposed to work anyways I think we're probably good for that topic oh there's more things about hey so that in a court filing in the class action case apples lawyers wrote that it's rigorous and comprehensive reliability test data proved that enclosure bending and twisting cannot cause the the touch disease issue unless the phone had already been repeatedly dropped on a hard surface and I think that's so interesting because what what it says to me is like look we made a design choice but that choice like sure it might cause bending but it's that choice is not gonna brick your phone and cause this touch disease unless you already screwed up by dropping it a bunch it harkens back to it I believe it was the iPhone for circa 2010 where you're holding it wrong is that well I don't know it was they couldn't get good quality because there was a band of aluminum around the outside so calls were dropping and their official response was making phones is hard we're really good at it but no one could make a real phone that's perfect so we're still the best it's just phones are hard so the one thing what they're doing and they need to do this is they need to continue to promote this and propagate this this like fiction that we all buy into where Apple has superior engineering as soon as that myth or roads then what do they have yeah so I think this is very own brand for the lawyers to have this this statement that stance yeah that makes sense moving on to a hard topic now it's it's something that's difficult to approach in general and people have talked about it people have mentioned it in in which town already asking why it wasn't like the first topic it wasn't the first topic because I just didn't necessarily think we would lead with this I want to bring something slightly more upbeat to the table we have had this man on the wine show in the past he was one of our guests quite a long time ago when we used to bring a lot more guests on but John totalbiscuit Bain has passed away he has succumbed to a four year battle with cancer he's just 33 years old in the in the notes but I'm gonna go off notes is talking about how he contributed a lot to gaming as a whole he was really big into the Starcraft 2 scene his his YouTube channel was pretty massive in terms of reviews if you're in the PC gaming community you probably know of him you've probably seen one of his game reviews especially indie games especially indie games that was very cool because I really liked indie games for a long time the very few people in the audience might remember this but I used to have any game reviews from pax they got like no views compared to the rest of our content so I stopped but still his wife Jenna is is still around and has stated that she's going to continue the co-op tional podcast as well as her own YouTube channel so if you want more of that flavor of content be sure to tune in and unless you have something to say I don't I don't think I'm gonna keep going if if you if you want check them out the the YouTube channel still there is Twitter still there you can still watch all those old reviews of indie games if you want to check different things out and if you did that if you consume that content today you'd still be supporting those who survived him like his like his wife Jen okay that's for example check out her YouTube channel keep watching co-op tional podcasts do all that kind of stuff yeah rest in peace John rest in peace John and moving on because I don't want no possible segue literally no no possible segue now No so here's a story that we reported on when it first broke in March the the accident that happened in Arizona with it's a self driving uber that again this is actually also kind of dark it was the first pedestrian death in a self-driving car case so there's there's been a report published by the National Transportation Safety Board it has all the details of what happened what parts of the cars systems failed the human error the software all of it we know now finally so there's really a complete by play in the report which you'll be able to click through its source number three if you get access to the wound dot doc or if you go to the ARS article that Luke has on the screen you'll be able to click through as well from the first paragraph this land dock will be available on the forum after the show by the way and this was posted on the forum by the way by Sparta man 64 thank you so for those who don't know there was a self-driving Ober cruising down a I believe it's there's two lanes it's at night there's two left turning lanes and then there's a bike lane on the right and basically it's nighttime and a woman crosses the street not at a crosswalk which is pretty much irrelevant walking her bicycle and the car strikes the woman and she eventually died because of her injury injuries there's also a dashcam footage that was released that shows what the car is heading towards and also inside the car and the view inside of the car you can see an uber employee who's supposed to be responsible for taking over in tricky circumstances who appears to be looking down possibly at a smartphone and no one knew if this person was being a negligent or what but now we have more details so this is just crazy so what apparently what happened was shortly after this story broke we learned that the there was a statement from the producers of the lidar systems that they believed that they had checked and that their systems had performed properly and the report confirms that so what happened was as the vehicle approached I believe her name was Elaine at first the vehicle detected just an object this is at 6 seconds away from collision then as gets closer it is decided ok that's a vehicle and then finally that's a bicycle but here's the problem hold on at one point three seconds before impact the self-driving system determined that an emergency braking maneuver was needed to mitigate a collision according to her emergency braking maneuvers are not enabled while the car is under computer control to reduce the potential for an erratic vehicle behavior so the car sees that oh this is going to be crazy it's gonna need some tricky steering too for us to avoid this I'm not allowed to do that the driver has to do that so I should probably notify the driver there are no alerts set up the system is not designed to alert the operator wait it gets worse so then you're thinking okay so but if there's someone in the driver's seat he's just gonna say this is still a problem because the car shouldn't have to alert the driver they should be paying attention well it still should alert the driver because you could be yes but it shouldn't have to it shouldn't have to it should like okay no it should have to sorry but it the the problem should have still been solved right so you should presumably the person sitting the driver's seat they're saying they're thinking oh this looks weird I should take over yeah but you would still like to see like you might be thinking when is this a situation when the car's gonna do it or not it'd be nice if the car was like maybe being and then you're like yeah okay I'm gonna take over but it gets worse because the driver is actually responsible for monitoring diagnostic messages that appear on an interface in the center stack of the vehicle - OH events of interest for subsequent review that's what she's looking at Oh looking down not at her phone I mean this is bit as per her statement she did have a personal and a business phone in the car but she claims she was actually just looking at the interface that she is supposed to be looking at yeah so now you've got a situation where hoover's paying drivers to sit in the car and look at it and not look at the road basically and then the car's not gonna go ding ding ding lookup and then it plows into a pedestrian causing that person's death she's like you should have seen that coming that is silly designers that's like negligent that's a bad system presumably when these when the engineers are working on this system they would be you would pay most attention to this kind of case this isn't like an edge case this is the critical what could happen case your takeover driver is constantly not looking at the road that's not that can't work that way you could even like it's it's you said something along lines of like oh they have to make note of different events and stuff like that I feel like you could just have a log where you have some form of like controller that's on the steering wheel well you're like this type of event just happened this type of event just happened just keep constantly keep notes and then fill it out later at the very Rosen stuff at the very least and years ago ding-ding-ding had just looking down yeah just crazy so now after that accident happened uber suspended its self-driving testing in lots of different places and HUD would work somewhat yeah someone just said a HUD would work yeah you could have something on the freakin yeah I feel like the drivers should definitely be able to be looking up the fact that they have to look down is really stupid there's got to be some whether it's a simplified controller or it's one of those like dial things that are super popular in cars so that they can at least still be looking up and just have it post up onto the windshield sorry continue just the upshot is that uber has now pulled itself driving program out of Arizona laying off 300 people and as far as I could tell I think that all of its self-driving operations now are happening out of its Advanced Technology Center in Pittsburgh like its own compound compound or campus and no longer in test cities okay so that's gonna hurt yeah probably I think one of the biggest one of the biggest things that's gonna hold back automated driving and automated almost anything is companies being careless with it and having stupid things like this happen and I hope that the companies that aren't being careless with it and this isn't me Elon Musk trumping there's definitely more than one keep pushing forward I guess well almost every high-profile company has had some kind of story about this weather oh yeah a slower way MO and there's have been a bunch with Tesla - yeah it's yeah it's a fine line though because they're all trying to push to be first to market there's gonna be a huge first mover advantage and there's something to consider that is like there will always be some amount of failure rate and it's comparing that failure rate versus the failure rate of human drivers and as long as we're beating that then good but like I it needs to every single time that it does happen because it's an automated system we can go in and look at what happened with with a human driver it's much harder yeah it's much much much harsher and you really have a camera looking in the vehicle at the drivers you can't tell you can actually diagnose these problems and yes ideally solve them every iteration should be improved or yes yes exactly so not necessarily even solve it but like make it less likely to happen at the very least and that's on a system level yeah like if you get into an accident you may never repeat that mistake again but that doesn't affect how I dress doesn't improve humanity Yeah right but it's kind of like cars versus airplanes you know people feel unsafe on airplanes you have another much safer but it's about control you don't control the plane that's fair a lot of the time they like okay so I've always found it that you brought up the cars versus airplanes thing I've always found it interesting that it ones like Oh have a safe flight have a safe flight have a seat so can try but then like if you jump in like a taxi or they send you away in an uber or something like I got here like yeah it's true people do say drive safe I just think it's like the like have a safe flight thing is like a like a guaranteed yeah I don't and what are you gonna do about it yeah what is it I'll put my seatbelt on yeah I will listen to that demonstration do you I'll put that mask on before I put it on my kid that's the extent of safe flight that I can guarantee you where's where's your floatation device underneath my seat well they're usually nice sometimes it is the seat cushion itself I like when they have that little straw in the oh the little website they pretend to blow on it oh yeah if it doesn't inflate itself you can manually inflate your your thing have you ever flown with Air France no they have a video it's but in the pre-flight check thing plays as a video and the video is like the people demonstrating are 5 Victoria Secrets models and they're all being really cute and funny and it's very effective at getting your attention that's actually pretty funny that's a that's a I mean if it makes if it makes more people watch like you know maybe it's not a bad thing who knows it's so trap the same it's a precious thing you've seen it of course they did that yeah speaking of of course they did that I'm gonna talk about floatplane for a second it's a wonderful platform you should check it out I heard that if you if when you go to watch full plane if you pop some popcorn and like dim the lights a little bit and stuff that it will increase the viewership experience so I would I would recommend doing that the line is tech tips channel on here has been going ham so if you want to check it out you've got Linus tech tips tech quickie and tech linked all publishing all under the same freakin channel which I don't think was in the agreement when we first started this so but if you want to check them out the bargain there is tons of videos also there's bit wit ultra who's uploading fantastic stuff and tech deals who uploaded by far the longest video that we've had on full plane which was like that it is just the system it stressed me a little bit but everything was okay everything worked fine it was great we didn't even didn't even let didn't let us know it was coming which was actually cool oh yeah because I heard through another person like oh wow there's this super long video on the platform and I was like don't get about control it's in the past but you still have to explore I'm happy that transcode hadn't worked at all but yeah anyways floatplanes great three bucks per creator so far because everyone has decided to have the same price you can check it out flow playing calm you can 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interesting especially if you don't use the numpad that often for like transactional data style or something but you might want it for macros yeah it's an interesting idea because you wouldn't normally have your hand on that side of the keyboard but if you're doing like accounting and stuff you would much more often be full keyboard when you're gaming you're very often just one hand so having a macro yeah you just have all those that much more real estate for your macros and then you've also got this added benefit of having your mouse closer more gonna have less shoulder strain okay so yeah shoulder strain like you're using a it's like you're using a poker or like a 60% keyboard but you're not a lot of people will go with 10 kilos keyboards and then get a separate 10 key so they can put it on the other side of their Mouse so that it can be squared up shoulder shoulder down to Mouse everything's okay and then go over for numpad but this is really easy to yeah just a different idea but 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see it so easily it's actually great I love backpacks that have bright orange insides because almost nothing else is ever bright orange so if you need to find anything it's super easy it's also reflective so you notice how it like glows a little bit just it helps I don't know I don't know I like it a lot don't worry about it I'm into backpacks it's a thing but speaking of that power cord you have the ability to plug your backpack in where's the external access bit do I know it has it cuz I watched their video but I don't hear it is so in the side of the backpack you can pull out a power cable there it is this can plug directly into the wall through a side access port so you don't have to completely open your bag you just open where the power cable is then on the inside of the bag so you can charge your laptop or whatever else yeah doesn't it come with I thought I saw in their video that it like came with a battery bank or something I don't want to say it does if it doesn't here yeah is it in the notes you know what it does have is they there's a waterproof pocket there's a pocket over here just for your water bottle no so you put your water in there and it's completely sealed off everything safe and if your bags too full you can pull that out and just have the water hanging on the outside that's cool I like that but attached to that power cable is a standard power plug for like your laptop or something and then two USB ports which is actually pretty sweet I like that a lot because then you can charge your laptop and you can charge your mobile devices it has a pass-through right here into the front so if you have your phone lodged up in the front or something then that will work but yeah you can charge your you can charge a battery battery bank you can charge your phone and your laptop all by plugging your backpack into the wall without needing to take anything out of it that's super cool if you're a commuter or something like that you just want to come home and plug the bag in you don't want to take a lot of stuff out that's fantastic they call that a reach C power adapter pretty cool it's a 60 watt USB type-c port for a macbook or other type c device that is sweet but yeah great backpack feel free to check it out also last sponsor is savage jerky Sauvage sahaj okay savage jerky they've been on the show a million times you guys kind of know what it's about but I'm gonna go over it anyways jerky is made with the best ingredients without nitrates or preservatives their goal is to create a snack that's full of flavor and just it isn't supposed to be bad for you either that's cool people seem to like the sriracha bacon apparently that's quite popular I like pretty much everything they have every one of these bags is open yeah you just they always get eaten thank you people find the box and then steal them my favorite personal one is Moho but again I like literally all of their flavors so that that works for me you can use offer code LTT to say 10% off 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random person in their contact list and so this guy called and you know that the husband's like what are you talking about you're just joking like yeah right haha good one of the guys like no you were talking about your hardwood floors like I heard it and they're like oh god and so then they caught they contacted Amazon and Amazon put an engineer to investigate right away and eventually a statement came out first the engineer said like there will be a fix it kind of made it seem he didn't just brush it off as user errors like we're gonna fix something but then the statement comes out and it's kind of it's not user error but it the system acted kind of as intended so here's what the where the heck are we here here's this here's the the events what happened echo woke up due to a word in a background conversation sounding like the hot word then the subsequent conversation was heard as send message request at which point the echo said out loud to whom now if the volume was turned down it and they're ranked far away then they wouldn't have heard that right at which point the background conversation was interpreted as a name in the customers contact list so they kept having this conversation and the echo is just kind of picking out where it's like I think it said send message I think it said to Craig and then and then it carried out that that request and so as unlikely as a string of events like that is Amazon is evaluating the options to make the case even less likely at the same time like you have you have a smart home device yeah how often have you had it spring up and do something weird lately seems like more than your way to do quite a bit so I've got my my Google home Mini I've went into the settings and turned on the settings so that when you Hale it it goes Bing which is off by default normally it just would light up and I had people across the house they'd be trying to hail it and maybe they're not very experienced with it and they wouldn't know whether or not it had heard them so I put on the feedback noise but that's also super helpful too because if I'm watching a movie and the movie says something like no you go and that sounds like yeah hey then I'll hear it and I can just say never mind and it'll it'll turn off again but I guess what's happening here is the way that these that this that machine learning works basically but this kind of thing is there's a probability that when I hear something it'll say okay that's a that's a point eight out of one let's say there's an 80% chance that they just said what I think they said and then there's a decision threshold so the engineers will say anything greater than a point seven five is good and so that counts as we're gonna call that a positive so you can shift that decision threshold based on the stakes of whatever you're talking about so if you're talking about a spam email for example calling something letting in spam when it's not spam that's not that high-stakes because then you log in your email and you have a speck you have some spam and then you're like oh that's annoying I'm just gonna delete it but calling it an email that is not spam spam is can be catastrophic because then you don't get back to the client or you miss an important appointment or whatever so what do you need to do to fix this I think is they're probably going to have to adjust the decision threshold so that they get less false or fewer false positives but then the flip side of that is you're gonna be like to be more fresh I use hey and it's not gonna hear you when there's music playing or something like that so they just need to dance around that yeah it's it's that's an extremely delicate and difficult thing to do especially because there's gonna be so many different environments that it's gonna be used in there's gonna be so many different accents vocal levels some people are quiet some people are loud like it's they're probably gonna have to personalize it per on a per user basis just have it learn each one learn its own owner yeah I'd be cool well I mean I know that the Google one does that already for my voice did they have a voice match I was like when I say call Mom it calls my mom or place good music to me is different than good music to my wife who's just wasn'ts the dead most and that's it strobes a good song she'd learned that on piano we got a piano she only learned that song it was like it was not easy so it took her like months that's all she played and then she figured it out and then she never played piano again and I was like you have learned the song faster if you just learned easy songs first that's fantastic speaking of fantastic or not essential is up for sale like the phone company it's a rumor it's a rumor they haven't officially announced it but it's come the story's coming from you know those in the know yeah I hate rumors so I'm not really that interested but apparently the next phone also rumor has been cancelled also rumor so I don't know do people care a lot of people seem to care I saw a lot of comments in the forum that were like I didn't buy it but I was interested in it and I was a bug bite or I was planning on buying the next iteration cuz I actually didn't really know much about the essential phone I was looking at today and I was like nothing's sick yeah it's sweet so I actually kind of recommended it to a few different people or at least the idea of looking into it and comparing it for their own option but I don't I don't know general public wise hmm like how much people come they didn't do a whole lot of advertising they didn't have legal I had a lot of fanfare maybe in tech circles but for the public not sure it looked pretty bold I mean this was the first phone with a notch but it came out before the iPhone 10 and the not just smaller it's almost completely completely bedless it's a nice looking eye I care Samsung or Apple only or I don't care Samsung or Apple only what about like Google phones that that would be I don't care or I care what are they do the Samsung or Apple only option is like a weird way of me being like no I'm not really that into phones oh because I I see you when people don't really know phones to that that much they're like oh I don't know if I should buy an apple or a Samsung because they just don't even like the Android category is seen as Sams you know what I get a lot especially when iPhone tens were new this would be sitting on the table is that an iPhone 10 no it's not Oh what is that thing it's an LG v 30 interest lost an LG okay good of a guy it get roasted out the bar you trying to wheel some lady and get wait what got roasted but like she's like what kind of phone is that it's like oh it's an LG she's like what like iPhone or died like delete your tinder you have an LG like I don't actually really want to have an LG but this is a sweet phone other like they just have quality control issues that are really doing my third one just incidentally and everyone's had like the same kind of like it doesn't detect my sim or something like that I really liked a g3 i the LG g3 yeah I really like that phone so most people don't care fifty fifty-one percent of people say I don't care straight-up eighteen eighteen percent of people say Samsung or Apple only I expected there'd be a surprising percentage there and then thirty-one percent of people care that's actually way more than I thought well so that's that's cool the thing with the essential phone was that it was like the closest of stock Android you could get outside of a pixel and that's awesome amazing yeah and it was way cheaper eventually when it launched it was seven hundred bucks I don't think it could have competed against other flagships in that price range but when they were struggling and they dropped it to 500 or even less then it was like a hell of a deal maybe they should have opened up with that but then they had 300 million dollars of investment they spent a hundred million of it developing the phone so they just needed to sell these things yeah essentially raised about three hundred million dollars from several investors like you just mentioned ten yeah $0.10 the least surprising group on this list ever amazon.com and redpoint ventures as well it was valued at 900 million to a billion dollars a year ago so if it is indeed for sale today probably be a lot less than that I would also assume the same current discussions are focused on again this is rumors current discussions are focused on a sale of the entire company including its patent portfolio and hardware products like the original smartphone an upcoming smart home device and a camera attachment for the phone essentials engineering talent which includes those hired from Apple Inc and alphabet inks alphabet inks Google would likely be a part of the deal which is probably quite valuable do you think the the founder of Android who made this his name Rubin Andy Rubin and also be in that yeah I don't know or is he the one selling it and getting the heck out maybe but there could be one of those like don't remember the name of it right now but it's those clauses where when the company gets bought you have to like stay on in order to get the good chunk of the money I don't golden handcuffs yeah people call that not necessarily hang-ups is a that's necessarily with mergers that's just like any employee yeah like it takes four years for your shares the best or whatever so you kind of need to stick around before you get the real money yeah go when the handcuffs disease for a bunch of different stuff just when it has to do with like I am staying weekend big money Apple and Volkswagen are apparently gonna be making driverless cars it's a interesting two names to be in the top the the Apple making a driverless car thing has been that was guessed by Linus like five years ago or something like that it makes a lot of sense like they like design the holy grail of design is in industrial design his cars so it's a pretty easy guess but it's been a roller coaster since they they did have announced that they were gonna make a car that was gonna disrupt it Detroit and just kick all the butt but then they scaled that back to being like well it's actually really hard to make a car so why will make the internal components and all the sensors and everything for the self-driving will partner with someone like BMW because Tim Cook lips BMW or with Mercedes and then those companies were like nope because Apple one is control of all the data or something some other aspect that you know those companies they bailed so it's like they're and then they had negotiate into negotiations with I believe Lexus now they're on their like their fourth choice Volkswagens like yeah we'd love to work with you and they're not even it's gonna be at like a standard Volkswagen what is it it's a particular model here t6 yeah t6 van t6 transporter the frame wheels and chassis of the t6 vans will remain but Apple is replacing many components such as the dashboard and the seats the computers and sensors and they're of course putting in a large electric car battery now this isn't gonna be a consumer product oh no it's not like they're just they're making these vans and you're gonna be able to buy one this is a project for them to just start getting their feet wet with self-driving it's gonna be a van that transports the own employees between various Apple campuses so they can it's kind of close to bursting like hey if you screw up your engineering project you'll kill all your friends oh wow yeah it makes make sure you do it well guys that's that's interesting I was I was very surprised to read the like not going to be initially commercially available except for literally just themselves line but that's probably a fairly sensible way of going about that yeah apparently it's been quite a cluster there's no indication right now if Bolton will be on for anything beyond the internal van experiment and according to the the article that we cited you hear from the New York Times there is a bunch of it okay sorry someone in chat will they call it the bend wagon I love it I don't get it cuz thats the first half of the show how nice I like it I think it's good so he would never call it that that doesn't make sense that joke does make sense I disagree smokin they would call that like impeccably designed engineered with purpose wagon it's a feature not a bug wagon 6i wagon but so the all the reporting came from ex-employees and they basically said that the whole project was as brutal executives executives leading apples car project had told him cook that the shuttle would be completed by the end of 2018 but that deadline will almost certainly be missed according to one of these people and they also said that the project reportedly lacks a clear plan beyond the vans including any near-term commercial goals so it's hey there's a big wave we're doing but we don't really know what to do Steve Jobs is dead help us we're not making very good company Joanie I just wants to design fashion speaking of comfy decisions best segue Amazon bans users for too many returns boom CNET article apparently you buy you keep yeah amazon has many customers who take advantage of its generous return policy and closing their accounts in corn to the National Retail Federation eleven percent of sales are returned that seems like a lot compared to my track record of returning things and eleven percent of those are fraudulent which sounds super coincidental but whatever they have 300 million customers customers are not being warned of bands but amazon has reinstated the accounts of those that appeal convincingly yeah cuz some of this a lot of people are really mad because they get banned and they're like I returned six things in the last year which these depending on how much you buy it could be a lot or not and then each one of those things had a good reason no they it's sucked it didn't the things in the Box weren't what was expected or whatever so but I don't blame Amazon for not giving some kind of um threshold like you need to if you return more than X per year or if you return 15% your stuff then you're gonna get banned it's obviously they're not gonna give those numbers though because then people will just game it yeah and just and right right right or return as much stuff as they can while still getting away with it so it makes sense that they that they would do that or like buy a bunch of really really low to get things they don't care about and then screw with your return policy on the higher stuff I don't know yeah I don't get it it also makes sense that if you like first of all they need to clean out this kind of behavior because it's a lot of money with you're talking about that many returns that makes an impact that's millions of dollars on the top line or bottom line or whatever line makes sense I don't really know finances and it also makes sense to just ban everyone in one fell swoop and then just take on the appeals as they come in and yeah then a human can just directly deal with it and then reinstate your account if if you're worthy of that that's something they can probably do and it's the wording of that made it sound like they're probably doing this is like if you appeal you'll probably get back in well I wrote that okay I wasn't even copy paste well alright then but I bet you it's that way anyways if you appeal you'll probably be fine yeah well if you're like yeah well I just didn't know all problems they'll probably let you back in because most people if you banned some and it was like okay no that's not true because of moderating on the forum people will do terrible things and then you ban them and they're like what so yeah I don't know actually it's gonna be easy for them to bet to keep banned the people they ban who are actually offenders of this in a big way like the people who are buying eight hundred things a year returning seven hundred things or something like that or or just like literally buying a TV and returning it so they can yeah or some kind of other discernible pattern like that yeah I feel like it'll have to be pretty blatant for them to like keep your ban after an appeal yeah I know that they do they're pretty savage with some other things I was talking to a friend who has an an Amazon he's like an Amazon seller for a business as his business and there's they're really strict about fake reviews right but what they were doing was like they'll actually send you a product for you to review so you bought you bought it from them you can be a real seller or a real buyer of the product and then you get the product and then you're supposed to give a five-star review and the way that they did this was that they give discounts to every all of those potential reviewers because you don't want to like sell an item full price Amazon takes a large part of that just to get this that's like a high cost for a fake review you want to get your fake review at the cheapest level possible so then you just if it's a hundred dollar item you send it you give a ninety five percent off so it's like five bucks and then Amazon just gets a dollar or whatever and then you get your fake review so what amazon did is they went through and they said any item that was sold at a discount was all those reviews are gone now so you just loss of like a 30-year reviews good I don't know I think that's completely okay because the amount of like well unless you actually just had a discount code or something like that that was legit and all those people were like super happy yeah I tried it for the first time it's great I just came to amazon.com slash man or whatever and got my product and I loved it and here's a five-star review that's legit but it's gone now because they're throwing out the baby with the bathwater yeah okay that's fair I just something that drive drove me insane was I was I'm not gonna disclose who and largely because I don't know if they had ever actually ended up doing anything with this guy I know the guy was there but I don't know what type of Association there was I don't know if they were actually doing any business etc Center so I'm not gonna say the company name but one year at CES I went to a company's hotel suite and to film a video and there was a dude there and he was hanging out and I was waiting for my meeting so it's just like hey let's let's talk I'm I'm we're both over tired we're at CES let's chat about stuff just asked him what he did he was one of the like business acquisition guys for a company that post facebook fake reviews Oh on Amazon there's a whole giant company there's a huge industry of like clique farms yeah all people do all days like create accounts and then like pages and he was like essentially one of those guys and I remember like I may have not been the nicest person you are a dirt you are a single uni actor because it kind of pissed me off but like these are absolutely a thing oh yeah they're running around CES with badges like this was this was yeah this is a pretty big industry so I'm very happy to be showing you I think that in some countries it's like a large sector just like tourism is a big sector in some countries yeah click farms is like a big deal in in individual particular countries yeah just like scams are in some parts of western Africa it's like we're all we're all making money just scamming North America those phone numbers that call you and try to get your banking info hacker ville hacker ville hacker ville is an interesting thing anyways the show is over Oh boom see ya later see you never whatever guys I'll see you next week bye ah can I see better just probably better just sign up for applet flame Club port and then get early access to whatever it is we're doing on hopefully in club yes alright bye guys