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welcome to the land show it's on time weird isn't it it's crazy it's like someone isn't here we've got some pretty interesting topics this week valve to address review bombing in new update to user review systems interesting also even potentially more interesting Facebook patent to use user adds user photos as ads hmm also Amazon workers may be listening to you through your echo device all this and more roll the intro Wow it's Friday Squarespace bites a private Internet access t.i and I'm trying to do this thing over here displayed display just brought a diss plate this play right here this plate behind me let me just make sure this thing is going looks like it is and we're back we're back baby there we go see this plate yes well we'll get to that but first valve addressing review bombing you see this pretty often actually review bombing that is yeah tell us about it so like a new game will come up especially for smaller games where like a hundred two hundred reviews is gonna be a very significant portion of the reviews on the platform you will see Brigade Inge we're like a group of people decide that they don't like or that they do like I've actually I believe review bombing has happened in the other direction as well it's something it's probably more more common on like we knew but it's basically up voting it let's get this to the front page yeah yeah yeah just just like how on Amazon people can buy positive reviews I don't necessarily know if this stuff is purchased but you'll get a group of people that whether they've really played a game or not they've like one minute on record a practice thing ever very positive review yeah I think I think it goes in in both directions and the ways that valve wants to address this I think are pretty interesting this is driving me nuts there's these headphones that are plugged in right now and everything we say is coming out of it all and I can just vaguely to hear it on the side when you're review bombing happens yeah it's not usually when the game comes out or is it sometimes just rattling like five years later yeah it can happen way later down the line too one of the interesting ones it's like a patch will come out more an expansion or something and then it'll get tanked at that point in time and on Steam you can see all-time and recent so if you're viewing a game in like the all-time is very positive but the recent is like very negative that's pretty bad as well so it can take a surprisingly low amount of reviews to really sway people's perceptions because if you have enough people to slam a game that's decently old but you can make the recent go to very positive or very or whatever way you want to push it you can really affect people's decisions on things so where are those brigades organized so usually happen on the subreddit for the game or escort or gaming subreddits gaming disk right there's a bunch of different ways I think there's also a little bit where like this is almost more of a mentality thing I think there's two so I think there's two other things around to is is one if you're like I'm not really sure and then you see the game and it has mixed reviews you'll probably go yeah and give it a mixed review you're like yeah I'm not really sure but everyone else is reading it very positive you might go like it was pretty all right well I think there's some that happens where it's just things are swayed but another problem that they're going after is something that I saw on and this actually pissed me off I saw this on a local review of mucho burrito recently okay some guy rated at one star because he ordered some mucho burrito from skip the dishes and the like delivery was late or something ah that's that's a completely unrelated thing and one of the ways that valve wants to address this is to this is actually exactly what they're talking about yeah with this new announcement want to deal with off topic review right so let's just like to introduce it in terms of the article yeah so in an effort to keep games review scores which is something we didn't talk about yet is not only are people leaving reviews but the reviews they leave are contributing to an overall review score and in an effort to keep the game's review scores as a meaningful indicator for whether or not someone should buy the game valve is now rolling out a new review system for steam that detects off-topic review bombing and removes the impact of these reviews from the games review store important distinction there they are not removing the reviews the reviews are staying on there you can still read all yeah they're just removing the contribution of those reviews to the overall score it's not fair let's say there's a lot of the off topic DRM things are like or about DRM yeah yeah or is this in steams estimation here they have a little criteria I do that should affect it personally but well this is the meat of this topic it's the gray area so we've already defined for you what a review bomb is now let's talk about what an off topic review bomb is Steam says when the focus of those reviews is on a topic that valve considers unrelated to the likelihood that future purchasers will be happy if they buy the game and hence not something that should be added to the review score okay yeah see cuz like if we if we pull this away from gaming temporarily if you want to review something on like Rotten Tomatoes and you went to go review hellboy which is currently 11 out of 100 and you were like thinking about it in both sides if you want to rate a movie a zero or just don't do it because it's Rotten Tomatoes because you went to the theater and the popcorn sucked yeah that would be really stupid just like the skip the dish's thing yeah if you wanted to review Hellboy as definitely go watch it because the popcorn was great that's equally stupid so like I I'd like the getting rid of off-topic things I am going to be very interested in what they deem as off-topic because the DRM thing is extremely on topic in my opinion so on their announcement blog there's a section at the bottom underneath where they outline what they're doing they have a Q&A section and DRM is actually specifically called out there and the Q part is I care about some things that I worry other players don't like DRM or EULA changes review bombs have new the changes are also super important review bombs have been about them in the past you consider them unrelated or off topic and the answer is we have long it long debates about these two and others like them they're testing technically not part of the game but they are an issue for some players in the end we decided to define them as off-topic because the general Steam player doesn't care as much about them so the review score is more accurate if it doesn't contain them in addition we believe that players who do care about topics like DRM are often willing to dig a little deeper into games before purchasing which is why we still keep all reviews within the review bumps it only takes a minute to dig into those reviews to see if the issue is something you carry no one's gonna do well you they they're saying that the fair enough I just said that's really annoying to me because games like I don't even know if this was on Steam to be completely honest but then newer Assassin's Creed games origins I believe specifically had a de nouveaux or something I think it had like three different layers of DRM and it was crippling I I did a stream of that game when it first came out and ran my like CPU usage statistics the entire time I was playing and would like go into different areas and look at things it's about benchmarking it cuz I was like holy crap this thing is thrashing me way harder than it should be and it was really interesting to to test that doesn't mean it's a good game for people because the system's getting thrashed and I found it interesting it does not mean it's good for the general person but I do think a lot of people should know because it's genuinely really hard for people to run if they didn't have yeah a decent enough so maybe don't buy it yeah so it's true and that even don't buy the damn game and then there's there's been was it a Kerbal space program or something had a really weird EULA update that made it so that like yeah you probably shouldn't buy this game oh wow I don't I don't I could be super inflammatory saying Kerbal space program now I must know you list by EULA and user License Agreement guys curl space programs new EULA makes it spyware take two is not quite the headline yeah I don't know very much about this to be completely clear and I think it's gonna take quite a bit to dive into but my stance is just going to be that you the updates are very important okay and and DRM stuff can be very important I think I think people review bombing every single every single game that comes out that has DRM on it is like maybe a little excessive but when people are like the DRM implementation in this game is ridiculous and extremely detrimental and we should probably all get very angry about this I think that's very valid well luckily for people like you and pose who share your opinion you can completely opt out of this entirely opt out so there's gonna be a checkbox in I think it's there now there is now a checkbox in your steam store options where you can choose to have off-topic review BOM still included in all the review scores you see sweet cool thank you for the option yeah sounds good so we have a little bit more information about how they're doing this with their processes basically they made some kind of a automated tool that looks at the frequency of reviews so let's say a game came out it's been out for two years and suddenly it gets a huge number of reviews it'll get flagged and that's all the tool does the tool doesn't try to figure out why or at all all it does is say hey look at this anomalous activity and then a team of humans will then look at it okay and then these people have already been trained at looking at review bombs in the past or off bombs in the past yeah so they can determine I mean because there's review bombs that are normal you know like a lot of reviews because the game came out today and yeah and we all love it yeah all want everyone to buy read dead or something risk of rain to this dream was a claim that had like almost no marketing and then got positively review bummed if you want to call it that because tons of people that played it thought it was amazing and then it sold really well it was great here's another little wrinkle when they determined that this a period of time represents an off-topic review bomb they don't have much sensitivity in saying which are gonna stay in which are gonna be deemed bad so it's like okay this weekend this two-day period there's people like you were getting review bombed we're gonna remove all of those reviews from contributing toward reviews for well even if you just legitimately happen to review that day and it was a genuine review that's not about DRM or EULA or something that they think is off topic your your reviews gonna get this kind of super bad my opinion yes it is but I think it's a drop in the bucket for the overall score but that's not because that nullifies major not really because then if so that nullifies major EULA and DRM and whatever else they decide is off topic changes from being noticed by the general public because most people are not going to I will most people are not going to go into their settings and make it so that this thing doesn't apply to them and most people if the crit let's assume the Kerbal space program thing is real I don't know I never looked into it too deeply I just shared it to one of my friends that plays the game and I don't know but let's assume that it's spyware now I don't know I probably hypothetically I would want to know that that EULA is technically unrelated or whatever they called it so the recent reviews would still show up as very positive I believe because I believe that's what curls space program is but the recent reviews when that came out made it very negative the score would be positive the rear the written reviews would still be negative yeah yeah but most people aren't gonna scroll through the reviews they're just gonna go oh all time very positive a recent very positive sounds good game looks interesting let's go oh I think you just understand what I'm saying mmm what I'm saying is let's say everyone goes and bombs it yeah and the score is unaltered because they deemed it off topic what I'm saying is if there happened to be a guy who came in and just gave a review during that same weekend and was like it doesn't no no I know I know I know so what I'm saying what that is like it will nullify any of this news basically because no yeah I guess cuz that's yeah I know I guess what I'm saying it's pretty off all right sounds good I just I guess no salad yeah I just I don't like the idea that you're notifying everything because it will make any major change that people like that isn't directly related to game play because I think that's effectively what they're saying his only game play things whatever get mentioned well they're not explicitly saying that that might be like de-facto with me yeah I definitely but it feels like that's what it's gonna end up being any problem that is ever unrelated to game play I'm assuming at this point it's just gonna disappear so you're saying by saying that I think you're indicating that the score is very that's the main thing you look at as a scheme user I would assume it's the main thing that a lot of people look at because it's the main thing that's projected you when you go to a game on the store let's let's try this out let's look at risk of rain that's actually the forecast for this week on Saturday okay let's go to my screen risk of rain - it doesn't have a recent because the game just freakin came out so it makes sense all reviews overwhelmingly positive 10,000 reviews I don't think most people are gonna click on this they're just gonna see overwhelmingly positive and go great this game this video that's auto-playing looks interesting it's overwhelmingly positive maybe scroll down and like you to get through just upload my friends play it whatever I think you have to go pretty far recent updates about the game key features system requirements more like this what creators say or views down here I don't think most people are reading reviews right there they're super buried I think you can get shuffle sweet strawpoll this is going to be so before we do this drop I'm gonna say this is gonna be one of the more skewed straw polls that we have because we're gonna have a whole bunch of power users what if it says a whole bunch of power users are not reading reviews I'm pushing back on that cuz I don't see people to be a power user to read reviews because I think we have such an e-commerce culture now I always read the views on Amazon I'm used to scrolling all the way to the bottom of an Amazon page to get to the reviews that's a good point because usually I read all the negative reviews on Amazon or I'll read the run to one stars like you're making a purchasing decision here I'm gonna read a couple read the top you know top positive top negative yeah that's see in a straw poll I think you're right on that one okay do you read steam in all capitals before when you're when you're interested in buying like before you buy do you read a couple reviews or do you just use the overall score yeah I'm doing like a little side test thing as I'm interested so we're doing yes no and no but I do on Amazon because that's my SATs you and I'm wondering if I'm weird or if that's your definitely weird yeah but like I wonder how much because did do you read reviews for games on Steam well like if you've already heard of a game and that's why you're there then you don't really need to read the reviews but that's that's kind of what I'm talking really depends on how many people are just browsing when they're like I want to buy a game and I'm just gonna browse the store and just find something it seems like usually it's word-of-mouth like people you know who you game with or playing that kind of game I browse quite a bit sometimes you do word of mouth if I get word of mouth about a product that's on Amazon though I still very often read the reviews if I get word of mouth what a game on Steam I'll check the positive negative thing because I want to know if something recent did something bad to it mmm because someone might have played a game like Kerbal space program for example hypothetically so I might have played it and enjoyed it for like a year and then this EULA thing comes out I don't want to spyware a game so they don't necessarily know that because they've just been playing they're not checking the store page there's one play again so that I would be nice for me to know and I just do a little quick check and then move on I wonder I'd like to see the stats on how many people straight-up opted out of this yes that would be really put that in your next hardware survey even though it's not Hardware tuck it in there how long do we have to wait before we can look at this poll I want to post it in the YouTube chat really quick I'm trying to get there do oh there's so many interesting questions how do people get new games because you're right like a lot there's especially in the indie space there's so many games that don't have a lot of marketing but then you get the buzz in other ways like apex legends obviously they had influence or marketing but then they do they had millions of dollars in influencer marketing yeah but a lot of people heard about it from other people getting a popular like I heard about it like on a Monday when it was like over the weekend two million people started playing this game but that I think was a lot of influencer marketing and then people seen the influencers and then friends telling each other it just wasn't spammed and here wait let's see okay results do you know if a game is like has a weird did that fix it hello did I fix it we're having a text bill difficulty here this should be good now is it okay well we're good now okay it was twitch over here only we were getting a nap it didn't happen last time which is weird but I ran my laptop minimum oh it's night are you sure it's black magic you take the other cards out well then I don't know I think that's time to move to the next topic here but yeah it shouldn't take audio from there anyways yeah let's move on Facebook patent thank you for playing chat for letting me know that was going on a new Facebook patent reals that favorite is even more out of touch than you could have ever had oh my god there's like you read us written so basically what what's going on here is there gonna have an AI thingamajig wait hold on it's a patent so first of all that's fair they're thinking about it they patent it that doesn't mean they'll ever become a product it's not a product right now they're not doing it right now yeah that's a good that's a very good point but the idea is they could look through profile photos on Facebook and look for photos where someone is prominently holding a product like a coke can or a Doritos bad burritos bag or whatever else where you can clearly see the product and then they would be able to use those photos they real license those photos not to you by the way but there would be the license of those photos for ads on Facebook so they would I they would use machine learning algorithms to identify these photos I think they already do have which would probably not be that hard because you just look for a logo and then they'll train with certain domains first like I can like snacks and stuff seems pretty easy to start with clothing would be way harder they'll do that later yeah but they'll recognize these photos will identify them and then they'll they'll pitch certain clients like hey coca-cola here's a bunch of photos of people holding your product coca-cola would then use those photos as ads that and here's where I'm not clear would an ad of me holding a coke can go only to me and my friends or were to go to the whole Facebook Network what we have written here is from the article did to do the patent filing suggests that the adverts would only be targeted to a persons Facebook friends if the user had limited their private privacy settings that way that that language from that article anyway suggests that the default would be that it goes to everybody if your if your privacy settings are public yeah I think it would go to everybody I don't think I don't really think that makes any sense I don't think they would do that it does make sense but if they found a particularly good one like a fairly professional photo yeah babe yeah they might yeah I don't know seems weird that I actually do see the business sense as creepy as it is and how we're all mad right now I could see why they would pitch this as a product yeah I mean colds completely blind to civilization business man I completely get it as well because you're showing someone their friends that's cool consuming or using a product that's what advertising it has always been like associating the brown with something you like and you're likely forcing word-of-mouth this the safe bet was always like okay use George Clooney use someone we all like but now because it's so personal there's this walk hey I happen to know you're friends with this person how about I just show you them or even yourself like hey remember a year ago and you had all that fun eating those cheesie's get cheese again man that was a good night I really hope that this goes poorly and there's like someone doing something bad with the product this is exactly what I think like oh look at real someone drinking Grey Goose that's my alcoholic friend yeah that guy's not okay he's in rehab yeah totally shoot yourself in the foot how are they gonna know there's no way for them to know I really yeah I really really hope that if this does get put in place which I hope it doesn't but if it does I really hope it'd go sideways in like glorious ways I don't see how they could ever really implement this because the the optics are so bad and then that's obvious that's an obvious downside could easily happen easily happen or like like you see the amount of times that like what was that Microsoft ai that people like made racist oh yeah yeah is it like learn I'm from winner people and then they like pushed it yeah yeah so like people people love messing with this kind of stuff yeah I'll just upload pictures of me holding Doritos bag and like oh yeah by my crotch yeah that won't affect you though because remember Facebook identifies it with algorithmically and then hands it to and so people are gonna see it so you can't just roll like that unless it's a brand that likes that if it's like a weird ran like a deer and or something and I'm wearing only deer and they might actually like that bread would be like yeah you're hilarious into whether or not remember a few years ago this is actually a few years ago like back when I was in university maybe almost a decade ago there was a stuff going around that was like did you know that you don't own your photos yes book Facebook owns your photos yeah so I looked into it and at least some this I believe this is sourced to here an article from 2017 said you know you in fact do own your photos you own them and if you take them away Facebook can't use them anymore but they can use the mother on the platform right correct when they're on the platform Facebook has total license to do stuff with them including sub-licensing them to say Pepsi Cola or whatever so start deleting the ones you don't all the times you were photographed holding Doritos or something just delete them if you don't want this to happen yeah 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Bloomberg in my opinion Forbes oh I don't know I'm just read stuff I'm not talking about weird topics I'm talking about trust because it started with that report they made about the sorry Forbes said the Chinese like microchip yeah a lot weird a lot of people were like I don't know doesn't sound credible and then from there oh they had a recent one and now this anyway no incredible they just do weird stuff now the bloomberg reports amazon tasks outside contractors as well as full-time Amazon and employees to comb through snippets of audio from echo devices to help train a le XA the company's voice enabled assistant the clips include both explicit commands and background conversations presumably background conversations that are caught happening you say the hot word probably kind of whatever whenever yeah what why not what do you mean why not there's there's nothing that stops them from doing it whatever well it's not supposed to connect to the servers and tell you say the hot word sure I'm sure they could do it absolutely whatever and they're trying to train it to be better right so they could be trying to train it to pick up the thing is I don't think they have to I don't think okay hey I hear you're saying they're like what if someone says the hot word but then they want to hear ten seconds before that to see if it took that person twenty tries and then they can learn okay you're Scottish and this is how you say it or if someone who is trying to say it and failed and guess what I'm saying and then just little tinfoil hat yeah I think they don't I don't know I think they could there's so many commands every day but you could go with false matches that are fairly high percentage yeah like I think you might have tried but it wasn't good enough for them to actually activate they could still listen to those periods of time but how they wouldn't be able to identify those because it's only gonna connect the service that only record when you actually did make a match is that a harm is that true are you sure it only records when you fully make a match yeah like if you say like hi Boogle then it's it's it's like nope like I have my Google home set to go drink after I say it yeah and there are times where I'm watching a movie and someone just says something totally um they'll say like yes please but they say no way that sounds like the hot word and it'll be dink when I'm just watching a movie I know I probably not right now someone hits like hi Boogle I know probably not right now but for quite a while there the biggest concern was it not detecting when people were trying mm-hmm so I would expect them to try to find the ways that people were towards the audio but it doesn't do a command yeah it could happen like I'm not saying they're gonna I'm not they record every single word and he whatever says anywhere near them and they might but I kind of don't but from an engineer perspective it's like a lot of these are the weak points yeah and you would want to learn how to improve that yeah so I could definitely see them passing through recorded audio and being like what was this was this supposed to be an accurate match was did our system rate it may be a little too highly mm-hmm was it someone on a TV show saying something completely unrelated another related issue to that was I mean we haven't really even explained the whole story yet you get it though there's they want to train this machine to do a better job and surprise they're using humans to do that you thought maybe they were just putting more computers on it but obviously humans are really good at speaking so if you want to train this thing to speak better you just take the snippets that are you're giving the Machine and let humans annotate to tell the Machine how to do it better it's pretty obvious they're using humans but I guess no one has I never explicitly said they were doing that on their website it says that user requests are applied to train our speech recognition and natural language understanding systems it doesn't say with humans but it also doesn't not say that so I think if you think about it for a bit you would assume that there you know yeah no I'm not surprised at all I and I always thought they work I do and it's not just Amazon they're all doing this yeah Apple does this Google does I'm very surprised this was news because how else use yeah of course that's yeah it's pretty weird I I think one thing that does concern me is like do they sell this data because there's so the super unrelated and this might I don't really use these devices too often so I don't know but I have one but I just it's right by my computer so I usually just end up using a browser anyways I don't know whatever but like do outside apps have listen I guess but like read access to these files effectively I don't like could an app that ties in to your echo get read access to your voice to try to figure out its side of things better I don't think so probably not no I don't think so I think it but like that so my reference for the this is very shot in the dark thing yeah I totally I'm not surprised you say I don't think so but my reference for that is Gmail thing that happened forever ago were personally reading those emails and there was apparently accounts of people like finding funny videos and emails and sharing it to each other for laughs and stuff so first of all it would be this is pretty unrelated this would be text right because it's gonna go right and be transcribed as text and then you they wouldn't even get the raw text I wouldn't think because I would think they wouldn't get that raw text because Google would have to say Oh undetermined oh this text is relevant to that third party and then hand that command over so they probably do get the text but I don't think we almost certainly don't get I don't think they even get the raw text I think they get the determination of what that text was because and there are some commands you have to issue on random TVs I've seen this where you have to be high Boogle ask third party to do this like hi Google asked LG to turn off the lights okay and then that's this like maybe in that case cuz you're explicitly saying ask LG then LG would get the full thing I don't know no I'm not sure how these interactions work well one point I wanted to make was you would think intuitively that when they're listening to these these voice clips that there would be a random sample a big swath from all the users but maybe it's not maybe there's some users out there listening to more like maybe maybe if you have a Scottish accent or an accident that has conventionally been very difficult for the you're like oh that guy's great we're gonna train on that guy I mean there's overfitting problems and machine learning if you if you only use a few examples like that but they it might be a subset of the population that's getting listening to more often yeah good aspect it would be if you have like a super generic voice for an area that has a very high population it's less likely that I guess yours would be used for sampling super often yeah or if you're if they're trying to break into a new market and there are they you know that they suck at that market the forefront of technology in that area like well we only have ten people from Glasgow we're gonna use all of them yeah a lot yeah but there's some other interesting things in this story the big question everyone's mind right now is probably like hey when they're listening this voice clip of me do they know it's me in the case of Amazon it appears that they know your first name and like out there's a product serial number or something but they don't have your last name or other any other identifying things in the case of Apple I think they have less than that they don't have your first name and they have a randomly generated number to us associate to your account so it's pretty safe that's said the clip can contain sensitive information I'm talking about my friends full name I could be talking about my bank stuff I could say my I looked into my own this was years ago it's probably better at detection now but I looked into my own like hey Google information that probably worked actually I say it's what you say hi that's why I said hi anyway my bad but I looked into like all the different audio snip recording things the amount of times that I was in the car and just like an audiobook or the radio was on we're definitely no one said that and it has a recording of that is sing well the amount of recordings there are of me not trying to interact with it is wild Wow like many hundred well you know how do you know for sure that definitely no one said that because I believe that after the hot word then there's a delay and then the recording so the audio so I would be silent in the car but the audio book could have said it like a second before they're like Star Wars audiobooks generally you would be surprised that like I said mine's beside my couch and I can hear it when it gets activated and you'd be surprised sometimes what activates it I'd be like I'm sure there's a sound that sounded something like whatever mm-hmm maybe some alien has a weird name in Star Wars but like the amount of times what all I was saying is unintentional stuff that ends up in there yeah and you're saying like personal information obviously Star Wars doesn't count for that but there was a lot of other recordings as well where is just like a random I can barely even remember the conversation but it's clearly a random conversation between me and a friend and we're clearly not trying to interact I see a lot of what happens to me is I'll have people over like a dinner party or something I'll interact with it to change the song and then I know I can just kind of turn away and keep talking and I know that the Machine will will know that what I'm talking about now isn't relevant so even though it wasn't even though the light's still blinking it'll be like yeah and I can just keep having my conversation but that's gonna be recorded yeah just give me an extra eight seconds of me talking about tacos yeah I don't know this is the kind of stuff we're like a lot of a lot of modern technologies in various ways you give up certain privacy's or securities to have those technologies and this is one of them if you want to have a smart speaker in your home just understand this stuff and move forward you you're carrying about your security is very important it's probably fine though assault they were told eventually that Amazon it was not Amazon's responsibility to take action so you know they go to their manager you guys someone at the company has the means to find out who this is like should we tell the authorities and say you know like someone got beaten up here like they should get a record or something like that what are the big problems with this is just like a roleplay BDSM etc etc etc we're like it could be totally aboveboard mm-hmm and now there's the police knocking on your door because you have AI helper robot thing yeah and you never authorized maybe it's a movie yeah totally appreciate the idea of reducing those types of things but the Minority Report also freaks me the hell out mm-hmm and there's a lot of stuff that could make someone think that that are okay yeah yeah yeah it's not it is not their responsibility that distri with Amazon's can be used as evidence but I think that's whether you think that's okay or not that is definitely a totally different thing they're not being proactive they're reacting to law enforcement like it's whether you think it's okay or not I think they're in totally different oh yeah super chats super chats let's go they're like normal chats but super bunch of people sending $1.00 with no text I appreciate it very nice appreciate you um someone's asking you about some lag on flow plane I think we know what's going on there but it seems like it did go pretty well today every week it's improving a little bit I like the pictures you guys have on the wall cool go to full plate and bye Luke a better office heck yeah I like my office right now but we do have to move because LG's expanding so darn fast guys gonna move eventually cuz he is gonna be out of space yeah like actually good god yeah the rate at which LG is hiring is just wild and floatplane tiring too and I'm trying to bring people in locally like there's there's one will is moving here very soon oh one of the new hires that we have is a Canadian he'll be moving here locally so like within the next six months we'll probably have two more people locally yeah and there's other people moving in locally that's all it takes honestly that like we're already oversized at that point if between the two companies there are six more people it'd be over done yeah and that's gonna happen really soon yeah so like I'm active looking for other places it's gonna be really weird but oh well are you still gonna come over for Friday wins at these sweet a few guys are just in this complex or something they'll be pretty so I wanted that too but realistically these are all things I'm suited for that really yeah we just need an office space yeah so it's like probably go downtown be one of those like exposed brick posh concrete super expensive yeah your startup though baby get that investor cash there's a yeah just reading about people in our space don't even necessarily competitors but in our space that are like oh yeah they've got like twenty to forty million dollars in VC fund I'm like oh oh geez yeah people talking about the audio apparently the focus was screwed up like the whole show the focus is for like the back of our chairs so when when you and I are leaning forward we're like super oh so that sucks do they know he was away and then his plane came in late I believe oh I didn't know that I don't think he was planning to come ever though probably not I was like he was in England yeah so his time shift is gonna be smaller yeah I dare you guys to eat the Carolina Reaper savage jerky I don't think they're response to this week so you don't have any here but we've done it before on my very first one I did that oh damn Alexa in Google home do save recordings where nothing happens I just researched this and tested for a class project send us your paper bro yeah let me just do it up email me your thesis Luke from one broadcast dye your hair green oh I think greens obvious hair color and love from actually depends on the green I think it can be definitely it can be yeah anyways that's it for super chats I believe we're wait are we done no we have one more topic yeah there's one more oh I see what people are talking about sorry about that there you go what is the one more Walmart adding more robots Walmart already employs many robots they're getting lots more they have announced they will deploy 1500 new Auto C autonomous floor cleaners you know like those floor clean of things that people ride on like me and that kind of like little Zamboni's I think they don't need those anymore mmm but 1500 how many swall marks locations are there if it's not very many in them in the grand scheme of Walmart like here okay well mites are large though I'm gonna make a guess how many Walmart locations are this 50 states they're in multiple countries I'm gonna say 3,000 4,700 that's actually I guess it's more than you thought I was guessing around 6 K so I do you think that they're gonna get one floor cleaner per store like even in their test the subset of stores that are testing this do you think they're getting more than yeah I know I think they just get one just one okay because if it's automated it can cruise around and do whatever all night yeah yeah yeah so Walmart is getting 1500 Auto C autonomous for Fears they're getting only 300 Auto s shelf scanners what does that thing do probably just check inventory how I'm picturing like those like surveillance drones and Star Wars that are like those balls all the antennas like just hovering down the aisles just gonna ride along the ledge of the shelf you think it's I don't know I don't know I'm really not sure they're getting an additional 1200 fast unloaders to scan and sort items as they come off delivery trucks this one's interesting plus to streamline online orders it will have 900 pickup towers so customers can order something on the company's site and pick it up from a vending machine at the nearest Walmart pick oh that's less interesting though I thought because like building towers across the country I just like this is getting very pretty it's just a it's just yeah and it's at a Walmart locations where there's anything not that interesting and just buy from the store yeah the idea is that by pushing menial tasks to the robots Walmart's human employees can spend more time helping customers in preparing online orders for pickup that is sweet bullcrap yes let us fire them they'll replace them eventually yeah but it is my job while they're unsure in the meantime it's like hey you don't have to do this anymore so you can just help people which is cool we got a few years of awesome and then a lot less people have jobs it sucks when you're walking around a store and you're like who works here and then you see someone works there and they're doing something and you're like hey can i bug you and they're like I guess one thing I've always wanted especially at Home Depot is like and home people has an app and that I believe it's supposed to do this but last time I tried it it sucked but maybe it's gotten better because I've been trying forever but I want to be able to be on my phone in the store and just like where the heck is this thing and have it tell me turn left because that's pretty much the only reason why I ever need your employees yeah for sure where the heck is this like the last thing I needed was like a shelf peg it's like weird where would that be mmm a shelf peg yeah like and then like like the little like clear plastic little l-shaped thing that you put in the hole on the shelf to hold the individual like a bracket like like that you put shut it no no no but they're like super tiny Oh like this big it has a little metal nub it and there's a hole drill that you know love it love it I don't know what to call it okay I wouldn't know where to buy that either dude right hates hardware and Canadian Tire has it aisle and she'll fix that's cool that's sweet but like do you have to install an app and so I just said there's nobody equities would even noob its world's best stable digital currencies nub it to bees baby and you be vit what does another dude Urban Dictionary nub it oh geez it's a word now yeah someone make a new entry yeah there we go an of it make it not the one that's on there it's like a nubbin no just their site okay that's cool be able to use apparently Canadian Tire website to look for an item I'll let you know where it is oh they're like but how do they let you know they say oh thanks I owe an IO and shelf that's pretty good yeah can I just say I would like to have a beep I'd like to have a warmer colder is an alien yeah they're really close to us I think so I think that's our original alien stuff yeah I don't think that's predator so yeah I think so but I like one thing that I think is pretty important too though is that it needs to be able to be pretty good at guessing what the heck you're talking about yeah because especially in a place like like Home Depot or Lowe's or whatever where it's like Hardware you matter people are gonna go in there and be like I need a screw it's like what screw it's like it uh this one I don't know that it would be cool if you can take a picture or something like well you bought is even remotely close to what you search they'd be like what do you meant by Nava to learn what the heck knowbut is over time shelf no that's heck yeah I I I called them it's the reason why I'm like particularly triggered about this shelf peg thing is because I it took me I think four or five employees to find it oh yeah because I'd asked one and they'd send me somewhere to get in there and be like this is planks of wood this is not plastic things with little metal things coming out of them they just they didn't accompany you they just sent you in see you later but like honestly they're so freaking busy each one of them were helping like three or four people they can move I think they need more a they need more auto cease and auto asses yeah to help them come on Home Depot figure it out but yeah you're right eventually it'll just be no one working the check out it'll be guest service and a couple people walking around and that's it yeah it's just an AI it just blows around how are you doing today hmm and if they have to you can do live chat you just get someone up on the screen yeah all right what do you need how did you get elevated to this the Nuggets are over there right why did you press zero five times come on give me a break it's a Friday yeah I don't know I kind of its it I don't know if I'm naive or just a butthole but I kind of welcome the if you a severe endure okay automated checkout really that's not the direction I thought you're going yeah like I've been doing McDonald's once in Australia and these we use the self menu thing save someone's job and go up there and I was like nope I would like to send the signal that I prefer this I don't think anyone should work at the front of this I don't I don't know I think maybe because how do you want to solve I'm a techno optimist yeah yeah because I believe that in the eventual future where no one's working they're the people that are working are getting paid a lot and the people aren't working are on a beach playing guitar I love this idea but how do you like fun to those people corporate taxes corporate taxes okay I don't have all the answers man I'm not like know you've all hurry or whatever but I think whirring one of my problems there is like you would need this is going super off-topic and the show is almost over so we can cut it pretty quick but like how aggressive are your allowances for small business then because there's a lot of industries like the one flow plane is trying to get into now that to penetrate properly you're going to have to get relatively large yeah like if we had super aggressive corporate taxes of the people that would be working at McDonald's and they don't actually need to do that job because that should be automated relatively quickly because we're wasting human potential can go sit on a beach or make art or whatever if our corporate taxes have to pay for that we're screwed when we have to go up against these giant companies sure there's other proposals someone had a proposal about making robots pay income tax I think the Economist magazine was like that's a bad idea I read that article I don't know why it's a bad idea but I'm not saying that the tools we have now are going to be sufficient in that world I think I I am very strongly in agreeance that like we're way off topic here but like the just the the mass waste of human potential is amazing just what the lengths people will go to and and the fact that like someone can be very good at something but modern hiring processes have not really gotten much better in like a really long time so you have to even if you're in X extremely skilled person at something you probably have to go through the Walmart or McDonald's or whatever grind so that you can like eventually land a job somewhere get like the placement of very skilled people is not very good yeah specially if you're an immigrant I have a doctor I'm driving a taxi I like it and it's taxis that should probably be automated why we're so close to that being done the whole transportation industry is just gonna poof maybe that's good driving a vehicle is not driving a vehicle on most situations there are obviously certain situations where it's extremely highly skilled but in most people's day-to-day driving vehicles a menial task yeah automate that stuff get people to get rid of it and things but it's just how do you support those people anyway it's gonna be short term hard yeah a short term extremely difficult for individuals whose lives matter yeah so let's end the show yeah thanks for tuning in folks outro oh geez I didn't set it back there we go one more plug for display right here yeah and you're done when when when some good made an account another person just made straight up there's nothing now bits you know that you're a legend Frodo Frodo hobbits there's so many no it's the marketing of it what's happening I just noticed this little haven't even of it show heck yeah everybody make the name something and with neva it will be our inside joke I'm not inside joke anymore haha areas display PIAA Squarespace Chris Bay we're out of here later