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hey hey it's van show time again we've got a great show for you guys today unfortunately you aren't watching it you're watching the land show lol you know I really feel like when I'm old I want to rid of those Muppets names the hecklers the old man hecklers oh I have to watch the Muppets in about 25 years I don't I don't know well I think I know what you're talking about but my goal in life is to basically be those guys when I'm old Muppet hecklers I don't know I don't know what their name well that's not very difficult to do ah oh la la yeah okay so they're supposed are they supposed to be sort of like weird versions like Siskel and Ebert or something yeah yeah I think so I think so and you know everything everything is a one-liner with them like this is a great show yeah great uh putting me to sleep Wow I aspire to nothing more actually that's going to be very easy to do you're setting the bar very low for yourself I think I'm basically I think I'm basically there now with lawyers you're so old yeah so that's all I have to achieve you have to age to do it that's it to do everything I want out of my life I just have to continue to make it around the Sun like another 40 or so more times and then I'll and then I'm great you live in Canada they told me this is a safe country so it was probably fine all right so welcome to the land show you guys we've got a bunch of great topics for you today including Intel uncharacteristically throwing shade at the competition which for the first time in like a decade is AMD it's like the insecurity this is dripping out of the computer screen right it was it was pretty brutal it was pretty brutal yeah like also AMD's rise in thread Ripper and rise in three have tons of new updates in a video post that they created earlier on this week the skylake x have erm and thermal paste and power consumption mess has explored by tom's hardware and we've got John here to specially cover a legal topic that we wanted to get into which one was it where there were the Zillow the Zillow copyright infringement case which sounds a lot less interesting than it actually is there we go Zillow's a massive website tries to sue a satirical blogger over photos that Zillow doesn't even own so brilliant yeah so it's going to be a good one so let's go ahead and roll the intro and we'll see you on the other side roll the intro yes it worked I think we might be a little bit out of focus well that's okay I'm never focused ah I mean you did just make the joke right on in my head that's so I give you credit for that you won't miss it ah okay alright I fix it comment coming to Red Rocks and put that back so that the intro will roll properly next time that is indeed why I do that did Twitter just crash how you even how even do this is it Twitter soldiers a Crohn's fault I load I don't know it could very easily be bellows over here playing with the focus yeah oh thank you fella that is that is just wonderful and the tweet is up damn is I didn't even know that so this is how double tweets happen okay Chrome thank you alright so the original topic here is from wow I actually managed to prepare even less than usual for the land show today I do not have my HDMI cable plugged in and somehow I managed to my muscle memory didn't help me here I managed to put my mouse in the wrong spot all right we're not boy scale we're getting really prepared we're going to jump right in this was originally posted over on Ars Technica and oh we're doing with this okay in a nutshell here we go - the screen is it going to work is it going to work is it go very go okay okay so take me through this John what is going on here so as you can see on the screen grab there yes I called McMansion hell and for those of you who don't know or probably mostly people not from the US yeah what's in the Canton a McMansion is a large yet relatively cheaply built house it was um they're available all over the place in the US before um the housing bubble burst in the late 2000s and they're they're larger but like I said slightly cheaper cheap more cheaply built built houses and so this um this blogger started this website called McMansion hell and this blogger is I think an architectural student so she was going through and posting all these pictures of homes that she considered to be McMansions and telling people oh these are terrible buildings have terrible architecture here the reasons why and this is a regular blog that she alright it was pretty funny yeah it was pretty popular she has lots of visitors who liked her sort of snarky take on Oh lol you could scrape these windows off of the paint knife this is terrible so she got a lot of these pictures from Zillow which is like this huge sort of like real estate site if you want to sell your house a lot of people use the low to post pictures of the house on there so sure okay yeah anyway Zillow got wind of this and they so they sent her a very angry cease and desist letter saying oh you're infringing on copyright and you can't do this and this is that so um so this kind of blew up she freaked out like wires to snakes oh yeah so she could lose a job but Zillow didn't take these photos no they didn't which is like a huge wrinkle in this case so the photos that people like they upload them to Zillow right so if you want to sell your house you take your own photos of your own house and you upload them the photos are yours and when so I had a look at what are we doing here that's what you sound like sorry go ahead that's what I found a lot okay thank you I know what I sound like I have plenty of people in the tech wiki comments hey John do you know that you sound like are you from the south yeah whatever where where are you from yeah it's what what do you have in your mouth what's wrong with your voice anyway so I think someone is asking that one okay anyway but all right so you take the pictures you put them on Zillow I had to look at Zillow's Terms of Service and they say okay if you put pictures on Zillow you're giving us a non-exclusive license to to use them yeah that's pretty typical like even on the LTTE forum I believe your text content we actually say we own but pictures posted we did something along those lines and okay so if you look at if you look at its Zillow can even sue because that's the big one of the big questions is what do they even have standing to sue and standing in walls of them it's kind of a simple concept understand right is if you're going to take someone to court you have to be a party to whatever the dispute is if someone walks in here and punches lines in the mouth and knocked a few this guy out yeah so I can't smile aver well you make it you could I think in your behalf my livelihood is at stake because my boss can't come to work and shoot the videos that I write therefore but so yeah it's a bit more tenuous but but if let's say you work of some complete frickin random yeah yeah you can't sue because you have nothing and well well if someone's okay suppose that lion smile were just friends and we're walking out of street together so most of your friends ha ha ha suppose someone comes up to him just punched him in the face I can't sue that that guy on line staff he has to do himself though the concept is that how how the constant applies here man I've had way too much caffeine and it's all over the place the way the constant applies here is that the fifth circuit which is it was the thickness of the knife I'm sorry but the ninth circuit is the u.s. very influential appeals court right below the Supreme Court yeah there was a case from a couple years ago where they ruled that you have you can have standing to sue about infringement of someone else's copyright only if you have some sort of exclusive right which in their own Terms of Service do not have right if I don't know if it says non-exclusive specifically but but it doesn't specifically say it's occurring right what you would have to do correct so so this is whether they even have to sue the McMansion hello blogger is very very very unclear I would my if I were to hazard a guess I would say they do not but it didn't stop her from being embroiled in this big legal battle she's got some pretty prominent IP lawyers on her side right now but um it's it's an interesting question about you know who could have dankmemes forever it absolutely could who gets to use Pepe which like would yes by this conversation is important by the way which is why we're having an old land show but honestly I'm still not over how Loki burned I just got about a minute or two ago there the friends come proposed we were friends no no no I'll find the state without saying just let the record show I said just instead of friends plus co-worker slash lives people are on Facebook our current status would be it's complicated okay okay see what you've done you've gone you've gone on you've made it something it is and now there's going to be more horrible like fanfiction written about this Thanks and now yeah you're the one who invited it you're the one who invited you know what I have lose you join us come on let's have Luke join us for a fan fiction extravaganza if we're going to invite it we might as well invite it what's happening it's just that I just what I don't want you to come between us oh I use the words just friends as a tool to imply it illegal hypothetical involving me and Linus and things happened so quick get naked chance twitch chat room speaking of violating the terms of service yeah yeah basically villo still says um they they what do they want they wanted to take down the photos oh okay but what what what's interesting about this another thing is interesting about this is that even if some court said zero has standing to sue which I doubt but if it gets to that phase yeah um one of the biggest things that courts look for whether to determine if a use of the copyrighted photo or something is fair use that term gets thrown around a lot fair use yeah is the on the market for the work right a heck is going to like start selling their random pictures of the random McMansions and make tons of money off of them right you know so and I think so there's a there's a strong argument I'm not saying it'll win necessarily but there's a strong argument saying there's no real market for these pictures that's being affected right so if you almost argue fair use but again like I said there's a standing issue may not even get to that point so okay good yeah there's multiple hoops to jump through in in law if you've ever fought a traffic ticket I'm sure you've figured that out so all right oh yeah thanks John I'm going to have Luke tag in because he actually just arrived back from the one and only Silicon Valley can we talk about the juice area real fast before he tagged bail we can talk about the juice air oh okay hold on is that even in the dock I put it in there like 45min alright alright let's bring it really quickly we're bringing up the juice arrow tell me about okay so this is also from ours have we ever talked about this thing before I know we have in all the channel have we ever talked about it like on the wine show I cuz I don't believe not a much we have yet I think a little bit yeah I think because a little bit we said yeah it's done okay I'll give you a really quick TL DR if also if you've seen any is of critical zone YouTube I'm sure you've seen this where he Lampoon this ridiculous thing called a juice arrow and it's it is a juicer that originally cost $800 save since drop the price to 400 and now it's going to be down to below 200 according to this article from ARS technica but all it is is this thing they ship you packets you know they look like they look like giant you know hot or cold packets or whatever they cost about five to seven dollars each you put them inside this thing to show the door on it you press a button and it has to be connected to the Internet at all times it squeezes the juice packet and two minutes later you have the glass of juice that's literally what it does and is originally sold for seven or Fe was actually $700 but it was very expensive okay so so apparently they've cut the price already they cut the price down to $200 and they've laid off a bunch of their staff and my question is my question was why it was so expensive to begin with and apparently this thing was this it was ridiculously over-engineer some website did a teardown of it and it was a really really high build quality which is great but sorry Oh a VE right okay okay a VE did the did the teardown is that right Luke okay so he did the teardown and the thing was like I said absurdly over engineer and all was doing was just squeezing a bag of like fruits and vegetables to make juice out of it um so they decide to lower the price down to two hundred dollars but I'm wondering why not just get an actual like baller juicer from Bed Bath & Beyond or somewhere or Amazon for that price and you can even get like an Amazon fresh description and have the veggies and the fruits delivered to your door if you're too lazy to go to the store to buy them instead of instead of this and I mean cuz you see is there a universe where you would find this useful why does like if you want to fresh juice after a badminton game or something till I have a Vitamix okay so basically everything else can just get crapped on Sonu Sonu there we go and the stupid thing is that like I see even at the $400 price point you could get a used Vitamix which by the way will probably run for like 50 years because those things are unbelievable for the same price and then you could put literally anything like you could put a child in a Vitamix we don't advise you do that have never happened well I can't say it's never happened it never happened to my children or in my presence or at my instruction there you go am i covering all my legal bases right now III think you or you know III know that I know the small children cry but please don't put them in the Vitamix anyway okay what what uh what is this modest proposal it's like you're channeling the guy who wrote yeah basically this is so strange oh crap I'm hold on hold on Jonathan wait wait goddammit gah now you already gave me enough of a hint Swift okay well dang it it'll we all we all know how intelligent you are Linus it'll be all right so well remembering facts is not not an indicate of intelligence necessarily although and completed ability to remember any facts could be an indicator that you're not intelligent so what does that mean about people who remember a lot of facts nothing yeah I'll say this I say that I say that's accurate all right of course a twitch chat line is like splendid children confirms no I don't like them why would I put them in a blender if I liked them wait what are we talking about okay so the flavor of dead children aren't you are onto our next topic so uh thanks John Thank You Linus I feel like I'm supposed to shake your hand but like you work here anyway every day that's like it yeah I know but it's like a I feel like we're like having guests on like a talk show right now and like that's what they always do they're always like yeah John welcome to the show hey John thanks for being on and we'll see you after the break yeah you don't brush books bulchek in my hand no you're not um you're nada who's doing the light show now whole bear yeah cold air I'm not cool there you know what thanks for having me on the show yeah I really I really appreciate what's up here if you look so bad I really appreciate the way he called me not a friend then he's like you're not cool they're fine huh okay so do you want to talk about where you were like on a very high level yeah and hell yeah let's do it I got freakin you got burned you know that for one to only one side of your face I'm like what are you doing okay fine is my radar that bad your brave heart away supposed to catch up oh it's pretty bitter brave heart okay are you doing I went to twitch with the hang with my friend John and at one point time he's like let's go get lunch at the pier didn't realize how far away the pier was so we walked out like a very long it's like pier and they're like numbered or whatever right I like it yeah sure and then had to walk all the way back trendy in the Sun the whole time yeah well I'm going my like ridiculously heavy backpack yeah I got picked up on that yeah yeah I was a it was an experience huh how's your trip it was really good it was fun checking out which they are a crate the company be careful what you say need I remind you what benevolent overlords we are we are leaning on right now to broadcast this here stream subscribe interesting oh oh lordy it's Luke's mom oh good hello my favorite hi try how many times have I talked to you week about sunscreen how much time I didn't know how long the walk was gonna be your mom's on my side for a change you know you know you know when we went to Mexico mom lafrana air you know what happened she didn't bring any sunscreen at all he asked me to buy him a tube of sunscreen after he'd already been burned which by the way is not how sunscreen works as you well know and then he didn't pay me back for it I didn't really remember the story that he said he didn't pay me back for it I was like ads from batur he is now your problem that's a big step we do shake hand hey listen I'm not signing any document yeah taking legal custody this guy getting adopted when you're in your like mid-20s heck yeah yeah but successfully Wow hangs up even when I agree with your mom she still finds a way to burn me even when we're on the same team maybe not as bad as maybe not as bad as I got Bert yeah not as that as you got brain but yeah it was it was a fun trip they have like a they have multiple 5vs5 gaming lounges in their studio or say do they have a bar of course it's like an open bar on Fridays at least for the team that I was talking to there like time policy they have unlimited vacation they show up any time they want before lunch is served at which I don't know the exact time that that is it's not noon but it's like whenever it's served a twitch and yeah so when am I getting your two weeks notice no no no I I think I'm going I get a month yeah at least a month yeah yes Lots okay I can train up a new Luke in that time no problem no problem at all yeah there's a fun trip though yeah it's goodie cool okay um so let's move on to our first topic this is actually like okay well spicy so here's the thing you know you go hang around you know /ji or whatever and you'll find you'll find plenty of hate for Intel and their business practices and their communications and you'll find it hate for anything Intel but for the most part for the last you know that eight or so years when they haven't really had a real competitor Intel has put on a very good and it's up to you the individual viewer to pick your next word this is like a choose your own adventure book okay you can decide whether it's whether it's having a pretty professional image or a pretty professional facade it's up to you I don't care but for the most part they've been fairly professional and fairly dignified in their corporate communications and their slide decks in their presentations to partners and to the press so this was originally posted by Finn Hulk's fist on the forum spin Hulk's fist I love that name any any nordic names are just frickin awesome hulk this like nordic nick operation cannot possibly go wrong is to have a name like hulk fist and the original i thought it was weird is hulk fist oh no I was like I don't think that's a No okay I got you um so Intel this is just posted by tech power up here in an official slide deck posted the following ok first of all there's some debate in the industry as to a couple of things number one as to how exactly Intel is deriving these SMT numbers so that's Intel hyper-threading TM and AMD's what are they calling it I do I don't I can't remember whatever something something else but SMT okay so symmetrical mometrix multi-threading yep so where you take one core and you feed it a couple of threads so it can process both of them more efficiently than if it had just processed one thread in the first place okay so it's unclear a couple things number one how exactly they derive these numbers because they don't necessarily align with what all the sort of tech media are seeing in number two whether this is an applicable comparison in the first place because Intel's basically taken a Xeon 60 134 and they have run clock for clock against a rise in 7 desktop chip with the clear argument being that this is a close analog because these are both 8 core 16 thread processors running at 2.2 gigahertz now to be clear probably that comparison works fine because contrary to what the people who got really confused by mine and Luke's discussion about Vega frontier Edition contrary to what those people think architectural II hardware wise oh yeah the consumer-grade stuff is not often not materially different from the enterprise-grade stuff sometimes you'll see better bidding a longer warranty you'll see more functional units enabled or you'll see some some flags enabled for features that were turned off in order to artificially differentiate them that's where most of the difference comes from so fundamentally Intel's comparison here may not actually you that far off hardware hardware wise but that doesn't change that there are other questions here as well what's the baseline one thing I really hate about these graphs Swingle red so that's the other thing you don't know if single-thread I guess so improvement over Intel single thread improvement over AMD single I guess say anywhere well there's more information on slide 22 21 okay so that's that's fine honestly the negative 13% is just like what that's not well there are situations where hyper threading as well does result in a performance loss right but I don't think we've seen that on Rison we haven't but that specific workload that who knows how to protect or not cherry-pick is honestly that's not the thing that bothered me that much it's not that unusual whether it's AMD Intel or Nvidia to include some basic performance comparisons when they're trying to make their product look good in a slide deck this one is one of the ones that blew me away where Intel basically gave themselves a check mark for a robust ecosystem decades of investment in software optimizations and validation easier application to deployment for customers and some of the stuff on here is just like um okay hold on a second like hold on what okay so yeah hold on hold on okay I'm trying to find something just totally stupid there were a couple that were that were really dumb like where gigabytes on here somewhere like what what software optimization are you doing with gigabyte on your new server chip that AMD doesn't here it is so here's here's like gigabyte on here because frickin or something so then AMD doesn't get gigabyte on their list of partners right not even gigabyte really none who I'm pretty sure that AMD works with question mark we didn't look into it not even Super Micro okay who I'm pretty sure that AMD is working with on their Naples product and by pretty sure I mean you can you can bet on that yeah and the list goes on and on I'm sure AMD is talked to Microsoft okay I'm pretty sure that conversation is going going on right now so they basically go X they take this quote totally out of context expect software optimizations needed for Naples just like Rison which is fair but what Intel ignores is that when they launch a new architecture software optimizations are needed it is it is not even newsworthy whether it's Intel or AMD for there to be an erratum I believe is the singular of a ration of weird bug where the CPU needs updated micro code and needs maybe even a driver fix in order to fix some kind of a weird hardware bug that that stuff happens to both of them and basically they're going to get they've turn that into AMD's rise in cpu gaming perform oh yeah okay so they put them so they took another quote totally out of context Rison CPU gaming performance inhibited by lack of optimizations so they're basically saying look software not optimized for therefore diapered socket implementation likely a multi-year investment effort to develop optimize and validate an ecosystem that is is taking a nugget of truth and blowing it up into a movie theater room filled with popcorn and a nugget is not even a kernel that's how far off we are random little tidbit I can't verify this because I I can't find them but apparently there's two Hitachi's attached is just listed twice Oh seriously is just kind of yelling here's the tachi hold on here we go okay where's the other one here's a Hitachi and here's a hell there you go yeah so Intel works with Hitachi so much that they Hitachi while they Hitachi so they can hit tachi while they're attached yo dawg they're that hard core on Hitachi I mean for all I know there's multiples that are in there twice because I don't think anyone look that closely at this slide no I don't think legal looked at this slide or maybe maybe they did but they were just like yeah don't hurl a no no no I thought IBM was in their choice but no yeah alright okay and you know what's the craziest part is this is that that's not even where this ends no like I don't even the super hardcore part if this is my opinion no no this gets worse and once again Oh in these black and white terms okay okay Oh until yes yes yes no no no no no no this is like you know you know when you go to one of those like it's usually slightly ghetto websites they'll be like this is our product a whole bunch of generally it's for like a video ripping software yeah right this is their product no checkmarks they suck and sometimes it's on nicer stuff but usually it's a little bit more granular and they'll actually show like yeah their software does this thing but we do more of these things yeah but usually it's a big no fide way to do it yeah there is like the janky software way is like has three red pixels in the bottom corner yes doesn't judgment so here me so so let's go let's go but let's go back to this and I'm taking inside of here because we got it we got to look at the slide proven system performance and innovation inconsistent performance from four glued together desktop dies do you live in Hecht that Intel is neither blue nor red but perhaps a little green right now about infinity fabric Wow because it's not glued together and and do I detect some nearly decade old salt right now from back when AMD was crapping on Intel for gluing together single core processors which by the way Intel was super doing back when they released the Pentium D series compared to AMD's architected dual core design do I detect some salt here because the a modular a modular core design is not the same thing as taking your single core product and slapping two dyes onto a package okay let's carry on next point architected for the data center which has nothing to do with inconsistent supply nothing at all and poor track record now you can go after AMD for having a bit of a poor track record over the last little while sure I don't think that AMD's supply for Opteron has been the problem I just don't think anyone's wanted it for a while so basically Intel is taking irrelevant unrelated points and saying and we're architected for the data center which has nothing to do with those other things we said also Naples is super architected for the data center ok AMD epic may have a silly game rename and it does yeah but that changes nothing about the way that Infinity fabric and the way that they built this architecture for mondo PCI Express Lanes which is super a big deal for the data center right now that has nothing to do with the way that this product was designed for massive amounts of memory and massive numbers of connected devices via PCI Express okay carrying on robust software and hardware yeah we're going after that again we're going after the ecosystem lack of ecosystem they have no ecosystem at all not at all this you can't you can buy the chip you can't put it in anything and you know software for it there's no compatible hardware here's the problem with this hard sales pitch in this deck right now if Intel had come out and said look we've got a more mature ecosystem that's way more reasonable we've been supporting the data center for the last five years in a way that a and B has just been completely out of the game for we understand our customers better than AMD coming in as practically an outsider within a position to do right now you know what the weird I have gone okay the people who hate Intel are going to hate this because they just find something to hate in anything that intel does but I can accept that this slide I cannot accept this slide specifically feels like some person you know how you know how everyone's well you'll see like intel slides and it's obviously not a real Intel quad it feels like some random dude on YouTube was like I have memes Intel's attacking AMD but I'm just like through this slide together in five minutes this is dank negatives absolution is dank means level yeah and the show not even over like the shows not over there's but wait there's more oh look at these look at these arrows good bad this is like a lesson in how to not do PowerPoint it's like the clickbait version of business marketing right fully integrated all capital letters bigger old girl here's V ons oh oh by the way hold on a second okay yet here's the way that all the cash communicates and we're just kind of ignoring right now the way that all these cores are interconnected because in some okay now I'm not the the uber architect surely you know yes I understand I'm intentionally speaking in an non grammatically correct fashion right now because CPU low-level see keep CPU architecture is not a strong point for me I do lean on more technical people like dr. coutras over at uh non tech to explain the step to me sometimes but to represent your CPU architecture as fully integrated as though there aren't internal interconnects and internal bottlenecks on a many core Intel Xeon is not a fair representation of exactly how that works and they're saying here single die implementation maximizes performance and in some cases that may affect performance positively compared to AMD's approach but to call andes approach which by the way these coherent links matter and the way that every set of Zen core so there's eight per module here the way that every set of n course has a coherent link against every single other one yeah free king matters notice the cross links in the middle that matters and they drop the glued together again glued together is not a fair representation of what AMD is doing over there unbelievable rough so it kind of it kind of actually goes on and on but I feel like we spent a long time on this topic and the point is this is beneath Intel this is not an appropriate dignified way for them to respond they don't have to like even if they like we've seen this before it's not like AMD has never blindsided Intel with an architectural II and price to performance superior product Athlon 64 and first-generation Opteron came in and kicked ass in a way that Zen actually doesn't like Zen is competitive but not as crazy is like yeah yeah but it's not like AMD came out of absolutely nowhere and took the performance crown and even when AMD had the performance crown it took a long time outside of the enthusiast space and the and actually I mean on server it it kind of went better than on the desktop but it took a long time for AMD to clawback significant enough market share that Intel couldn't launch Core 2 Duo and basically crap all over everything AMD had achieved in a very short period of time from a business standpoint not from an industry disruption and moving all of us forward standpoint I mean they brought us sixty four-bit on the desktop so the fact that Intel is is reacting in this knee-jerk undignified fashion it doesn't make business sense it doesn't make company image sense it might not even make legal sense yeah that's a little rough that's a de glued together part is like specifically an issue so basically come on guys so about that time oh yeah great speaking of sup you know what sup uh-oh oh cool we haven't done a comic bento spot or a long time oh yeah we have oh you did one correct oh all right well whatever it'll be fun for me yes so comic a bento is your original comic book subscription box with at least a fifty dollar value in each box every box comes with four to five graphic novels and it's 25 bucks a month or less depending on your plan selection there are monthly themes and this one is old-school it's pretty cool there's there's Avengers for I'm not going to 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covered with the money that you would have spent paying somebody else to do a very basic repair honestly one of my favorite about it is before this I had like a few different screwdrivers yep and like they did different screwdrivers would have different size bits with them and stuff yeah and now I just grab one thing and you'd always be running around looking for that one yeah alright so this was posted originally by Valentine on the forum and non-tech is the original article here we've got a lot more details about thread Ripper as well as Rison 3 so the thread Ripper 1920 X and 1950 X are going to be 12 and 16 core processors they are freaking huge that is a real human hand for scale and they're going to cost $7.99 and 999 AMD has basically come right in and said nope this stuff doesn't cause them dot PNG the pricing for loud skylake x is now looking a little bit out of whack I mean it remains to be seen exactly how well they perform but we know clock speeds the 1950 X will apparently have a base clock of 3.4 gigahertz and a boost of 4 gigahertz wow that is not freaking bad on that many threads it's got a gdp of a hundred and eighty watts that's fun though but you care if Rison is anything to go by it looks like we might get a proper Tim so a proper thermal interface material which will help to do to paint that heat and because it is such a large I don't want to say chip because that doesn't matter because the overall die area under the spreader is so large we're going to see coolers that are optimized to have heat pipes across as many of those processing cores as possible and it should be potentially easier to manage also assuming that AMD doesn't rush the ecosystem too much hopefully we won't run into any problems with the boards but all of that remains to be seen and you know combined with combined with Intel's boson X 299 right now is further validation for all the people criticizing me for moving our editors over to X 99 shortly before the X 299 launch yeah that's why I do it because in much like a net it has nothing to do with bias it's not AMD Intel Nvidia I don't give a crap if it's mission-critical I am not running no one to then old then you have all the BIOS updates you have tons of different chipset updates you have so much and I might run it if it's one machine yeah I'm not going to go and invest an entire workstation change out in something that maybe it's good or maybe I'm going to find out that that board that I put in there has some phylogeny recalled or whatever when that would be thoroughly covered on forums everywhere by that time I start buying a year old board that's right I can just buy something that's based on that it's like the stasek elisa same board is what we running on our test benches for the last you know year and a half speaking of things you can do with this though are you going to go back to X gamers one CPU um not with thread Ripper probably okay ah but if we can get something going with epoch okay I would love to do something very interesting with epoch and you can even be like genuinely one this time actually yeah yeah yeah we could because a lot of people roasted Linus because it had two CPUs in it it was supposed to be a play on two girls one cup I know it was supposed to be here but I'm saying I'm cop either way I don't really mind that a Marriott barrel I thought the joke was funny I thought the joke was funny everything's cool I'm just saying you could actually do it this time he is kind of a suck-up isn't he John was right Oh get out of here I don't care it'll watch it anymore I hope the show by myself I'm killing the frame I can just talk louder for day Wow all right next topic sky like ex mess explore it I guess is my muck my turn to throw it throw it Intel jeez that's kind of a rough day Hey so far sky like X has been plagued by two main issues at its stock settings it can barely be cooled all your things in the way oh no sorry but during normal operation this is due to its power consumption being extremely high in some situations we also found that the mmm there's a huge cooling issue with the board but oh yeah they are MV r MZ RM said a huge cooling issue that was a couple weeks ago yeah there's barely any room for enthusiasts to overclock also many motherboards limit sky like X CPUs further due to poor design choices like I just mentioned such as insufficient vrm cooling so this may be this may be the dawn of the motherboard full cover block oh hey so that's like that's been a thing yeah but it's never really made sense because so going back going back to like the early 2000s it was pretty commonplace from other boards to have little whiny dying fans on them yeah and then right around the time of like I guess enforce n43 or and force for what what was the a a 1030 to SLI deluxe deluxe I can't remember what chipset that was I want to say enforce for okay so that's an a 1030 to SLI deluxe terrible image but you get the point so we did away with noisy Northbridge and Southbridge coolers because they have to keep it low profile because you can install cards here right those sli existed at the time and we did away with that and we move towards this heat pipes that lie flat on the board and carry all the heat up around the CPU socket area with the assumption that either you're going to have an air cooler sitting on your CPU that's going to generate enough passive airflow to deal with the VRMs here and here as well as the heat from the Southbridge in the Northbridge which end up here so that paradigm has lasted us pretty much until now we might be returning to active cooling on VRMs if there's no other way to deal with this and honestly what this kind of looks like to me is like intel has said that like hey that we have a plan for the rollout of core I 9 so we're going to do this here this here and it has to do with CPU yield a suit that honestly I wonder if part of it has to do with that they just like actually on the engineering side have no idea how they're going to launch this yeah I just kind of buy some I should see it this will be interesting because it's me pretty much the first time ever that I will see a motherboard full cover block and be like yeah good call that makes sense yeah yeah cuz in the past it looked really cool yeah but it's been like oh okay that's an excessively expensive PC probably because of a showcase and it probably makes no sense in terms of actually anyone ever doing this but it looks cool for whatever brand wanted to show it off like sure why not but that'll be pretty cool now be interesting having people like actually ask questions about full cover clocks I know right um all right what else you got first I discussed I just have to pause the show for a second ah Timmy Val one two three in the twitch chat just head in all capital letters I just want to make sure that I react to this I have a boyfriend I just wanted to make sure it's apparently extremely important that you have one no or that Timmy does so Timmy goes hey you know what Timmy Congrats okay good job all right Facebook plans to unveil a 200-dollar now we've heard that before yeah Wow Wireless that's new oculus VR headset in 2018 the whole twitch that's like congrats to me oh man yeah I mean that's cool I don't name Pacific if anyone's looking to buy an oculus rift it's designed and this is going to terrify you to bridge the gap between cheap smartphone mounted VR headsets and high-end gaming ones oh it does not need to be tethered to a PC or a phone it will ship next year and represent an entirely new category the device hold on just hold it in for now the device resembles a more compact version of the rift and will be lighter than Samsung's gear VR headset the idea is that someone will be able to pull the headset out of their bag and watch movies on a flight just the way you can now with a phone or tablet old it in the new headset will have a similar interface to a gear VR and can be controlled via wireless remote they plan to power the products with a Snapdragon mobile chip from Qualcomm and it's gaming power will be superior to that of the gear VR but unlike the powerful rift device and it will not include positional tracking technology but if it isn't they plan to begin briefing content makers on the device by October and it will have a download store though the downloads will be rewritten and accessible from a virtual reality interface and and go so they gave up like this is that it is that all that s to say oculus just gave up there's like at screw it we are done we're out of here we have lots of Facebook money that's fine no one's buying headsets because they're overpriced and not very good right now so just going to stop developing those and we'll just make a phone that's built into the headsets you can't take the phone out and there you go you could just buy this one that you can just slip this device that you've literally always eff and carry on you in the front of it and it'll just work and that would be totally fine and it doesn't cost that much but no it's going to be ever so slightly faster and you can watch movies on the plane Wow you can't already do that on your phone or like this screen that's built into the freaking chair in front of you it's going to suck word that I'm not going to say in terms of performance that's a huge issue right now VR applications for desktop your desktop computer is usually not fast enough to run really really high fidelity really really high quality games it's a little bit of an issue it's a little bit hard to do it's possible but it's difficult and then the headsets that you have right now for desktop tethered like devise and the current rift don't have good enough screens don't have good enough a lot of other kind of stuff to be at the minimum quality that consumers expect and they're way too freakin expensive to release a dedicated $200 device which no one's going to really want to buy because they can just slip their thing into a daydream or whatever which should be a lot cheaper and probably will be now that this lunch is not remember that stuff like this already has existed I literally carry different I was literally the product manager for view 6 back at NCIX Sony has one yeah like Sony professionally has a movie Viewer designed other things are you ready to chill out a little bit because I withheld one key piece of information oh my god I'm like very angry and disappointed but Facebook has also said it's working on a prototype device named Santa Cruz that is basically a wireless rift with the full power of the original device sans PC actually that's not going to make you any less mad probably sans PC no bliss out a PC wait what okay sorry I thought they were just talking about wireless rift I didn't read the last two words okay I don't understand how that makes anything I didn't see so basically you need a backpacker so basically it's it's a porn device now yes and you can watch porn on a plane they gave up like I've mentioned on like to wine shows recently I've gotten some flack for it but it is a thing it's not all of the posts but there's a notably increased amount compared to quite a few months back if you go to like the oculus subreddit of posts that are just about porn and you know what you want to look at porn on your device go for it I don't care I don't give a crap at all but what these things are really supposed to be doing in the long run is like really really interesting entertainment mediums not watching movies and playing I'm talking about like a virtual big look what picture this oh god virtual big screen just kill them a little bit inside I think everyone hold on get this simulated theater experience it's so bad it's so bad I don't missed it it's so bad oh but there's such interesting experiences that you can do in such interesting experiences you can have if you come to LTX I'll try to show you some of them there's specific survey Ochs is a specific vr game development company that is making very good and very interesting things raw data and I don't run the name of their new one but it's a running one and asked Racing and it's actually really cool you race against each other and you can like you have to run around but it's kind of like skis I finally got Arizona sunshine Arizona sunshine is pretty cool there's Robo recalls like amazing like there's really really good experiences that you can have but the device is supposed to be a different price than it was by a lot because there's a huge cost in the computer already there's way too expensive piss off this was really fun okay why don't we talk about something a little lighter well it's a little heavy the KFC phone it's the only thing about KFC that could be light at all this might makes more sense than that stupid things were always special edition' KFC smartphone for China so what sorry some of the chat just said man cares too much I do I really want VR to work and I just I feel I didn't I feel like they're just doing like clearly the wrong they'll make it work it's just going to be like kind of lame mainstream VR for like a long time a long time and like that gap I was talking to that was at Rubio Jeff Rubio I could have the name wrong but the guy from Naughty Dog then I works for oculus and he gave a timeline and I was like you know what that makes sense and I think it was something about something around three years when I had that meeting yeah and you can line up that meeting because that lined up with a counter-strike tournament where I made a video about watching the counter-strike tournament was divided right I don't think that's going to happen anymore so in other news it's to celebrate KFC's 30th anniversary within the country of China okay the KFC edition of the hallway enjoy seven-plus was unveiled by the restaurant chain via its official Weibo page in addition to a snazzy red finish and a picture of the colonel on the back of the device the smartphone comes preloaded with the K music app which allows you to play music over the speaker system installed in KFC restaurant worse which definitely wouldn't get annoying really really really fast for everybody else and won't be eliminated entirely almost immediately only 5,000 probably slightly produced pre-approved music that you can put through I guess so and there are other weird KFC things so oh no no mine these are just other weird KFC things they had a takeout box that apparently doubled as a smartphone charger and a facial recognition scanner in conjunction with search giant Baidu they do whatever to help offer meal suggestions oh boy like they say well I guess it just looks for how many Chin's you have and decides how many pieces of chicken you need like is that how that would work or how difficult it because you like machine learning to like analyze faces how would actually be fascinating if you could go accurate it would be if you could try out your out areas because we can't see unlike some where okay so let's take it a and W actually aim W in the state actually very different from up here oh yeah this non-us might make any sense but let's take a NW you can be like a Mozza burger person or you can be a teen burger person and there would be nothing you could know or like a chubby chicken burger these are all sort of equivalent ease of food they're both the same but they taste quite different yeah um whereas at KFC there's chicken and there's less chicken and there's more chicken with a bucket of chicken yeah there's like a little tiny box or a small boxes but bucket of chicken yeah like yeah or a trough of chicken like it's all about chicken I would be curious to know if you could just enter like a picture of yourself and like of your house and of yours and entered your BMI if it could tell you what you were planning to order at KFC that would be a very interesting study um Justin like in like how humans do thing in like psychology there just be a very very interesting study I would read it okay ah the 1+5 display is upside down so this was posted by a nerd slayer on the forum oops confirmed the jelly scrolling effect which honestly I didn't even notice it is amazing the kinds of things like like a clip vault it's stupid because like I'll be able to tell the difference between like 72 and 60 Hertz on a display yeah if I'm playing a game or something and it will be like who cares whereas like I look at like a phone and I'm like but there's a slight kind of rebounding effect when you scroll and they're calling it the the jelly jelly scrolling effect or something like that and apparently it is caused by 1 + moving the motherboard and hence flipping the display panel in order to accommodate their new dual lens camera module so they consciously rearrange the internals and then are using a normally only used for Diagnostics but they actually use this so they used a field that you can exist in Android where you can hold to display 180 degrees yeah in order to account for this rearrangement so we're and so what users did was they manually changed other devices to be upside-down and the jelly scrolling effect appeared on them now what I'd like to know because obviously if you hold it display like this that doesn't have an upside-down display installation go like this or you hold it like this and go like this it doesn't matter so what I want to know is if this is just a matter of a simple optimization yeah that could be done in software like it would be so we'll we'll see we'll see the Google pixel to design was leaked this is posted by mr. Chau one nine nine one zero three one nine on the forum and the original article here is from Android police apparently it will be made by LG this time rather than HTC and this is apparently the pixel XL with a low bezel AMOLED display and a squeezable frame so HTC won't be the only one with a squeezable frame neat I guess that's cool it's one of those things that like I've never really asked for why do you want to but what's the benefit how'd it do stuff okay yeah um six inch AMOLED display with round corners glass window on the back is smaller this time fingerprint readers no longer inside of it but below it no visible antenna bands it's believed it will have a squeezable frame okay so that's pretty much all we know none of that sounds super important to me um there's things that I care a lot more about on pixel 2 than any of that information so I think we ought to wait Logitech is on a roll here on acquisitions this is supposed to buy a Dyson on the forum the original article hears from CNET apparently or I could just use the press release that they sent me I don't play no so there won't be like a gaming headset industry eventually because it'll just be logitech and razer and razer that's fair who else exists turtlebeach is sort of still kicking around like on the console side I think okay I don't understand quite how but I didn't understand why Astro had a right to exist either I mean to be clear apparently the a40 is great the only one I ever reviewed was the a 50 and it was terrible I never had a good experience with them it was an abominable value and that was compared to wireless headphones that are headsets that existed back then and to my knowledge I don't think they've updated it so they bought ultimate ears they bought jaybird they acquired SciTech I've been doing great things I haven't seen what they've done with SciTech yet have they released anything I don't know if they've done much with SciTech but basically Logitech kind of went well we're an engineering company we're just going to embrace that and screw it we're just going to buy brand it's been working so far the ultimate ears want especially I'm interested to see what they do with site X I'd love that kind of stuff but yeah yeah meanwhile razer is running around buying thx and phone maker next bit so apparently the deal will close in early August and yeah basically I didn't even read any of Logitech statements about it because this is fairly transparent yeah Logitech couldn't figure out why the hell anyone was using Astro gaming headsets which is vow'd so they went okay well I don't want to deal with this anymore and bought them which is valid yeah so we love the Astro gaming branding especially from way back in the day was really thick like I remember they had at PAX they were giving away an Astra gaming shirt and it was like by far the coolest one at the event and like they had a really cool booth and they partnered with really cool people so I could understand how it's like you're just woah fully ignorant in terms of headset and you're like I went to this cool event and they had cool stuff I'm going to tell my friends and we're all gonna buy them you know I mean especially before like reviews on that kind of stuff with some piping and really accessible lately though I don't know how they're still around I don't know man apparently this is great so apparently Logitech is taking it and if it ain't broke don't fix it approach here and the Astro and Logitech G brands will keep separate teams and basically they're saying we don't just want to jam a new product down your throats every year just because we can so that's the nice way of saying if you guys like this trash then we'll just keep making it for you I guess as far as I can tell whoa because there's no doubt that logitech's engineering knows a lot more about engineering than Astros engineering Astro might be able to help to make it so the headsets don't fall people's heads okay that's fair that would be good that's their 100 update there yeah that's fair yeah but then logitech also could have just like gone and bought a hyper x cloud and disassembled it if they wanted to understand how that works yeah all right so on that know thank you for watching the land show we will see you guys again next week same bat-time same bat-channel do you want to do a short after party stream we can okay do it yeah buh-buh-buh-buh-byeeeee people are calling me line of flames it Wow why I have never been called something that offensive in my life look at this how does he do this like how do you screw this out undo your thing in the world would be to use this well this one's see this one's right sort of except to say well why does they change I don't know