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boom we should be live on the wine show I'm gonna yet again she would pull it up on my phone because because of the that I did you get them no okay you guys are gonna win it some fly hunting throw the show because there's one that just will not leave us alone and I believe Lewis is gonna murder it before we're done but to to introduce people here Louis Rossman fighter of Apple repairer of everything what's your like channel and stuff what varies kaulitz Rossman grew up with two S's and two ends that's a good way to do that level one Tex Wendell how's it going Linux master man if you don't hit me now go this will be a recurring it's it's been feeding it would be an honor to be assaulted by Louis Ross I'm also known to be a target just go for gold yeah [Laughter] okay yeah channel level one text any other calls you want to do how's it going yeah there we go Wendell Jayce two sets you guys probably know Jay used to send everywhere yeah what is he it's not jay-z on Twitter no but if you're gonna tag me tag Beyonce - yeah might as well include it and this win show will probably not be super standard we have some news topics I don't know what almost any of them are we know that the there's some updates to the MacBook Pro chrome is using more ram wow that's surprising and some other stuff but I doubt we'll get to a ton of it because we'll probably go into crazy tangents and we might kill a fly gonna roll the intro it'll be back in a second Oh private Internet access VPN and savage jerky of the sponsors for the show me try to reset this and then go back to me so new back book pro's coming out they have replaced the keyboard but as we were talking before the show I'm not gonna fail anymore wrong it is a third generation butterfly keyboard however this design was was not intended to solve the recently highlighted butterfly keyboard issues that's a direct quote from Apple isn't it I I believe so it's not in quotes here but I believe so oh not well I mean there was no problem with it begin with right so what was the akka i generally stay away from from those but what was the actual problem well it's people would say that the key is either not working or it'll type 20 times when you press it once and usually people would show up and say I didn't get any water on it it just happened that I'd open it and it would be yellow and brown and ugly but some of these look like they're just new out of the box and the keys just don't work on them well then it started to be something where it once a day somebody would show up then five people a day would show up then when we had like 20 to 40 people showing up a day with the same problem and calling and emailing about it I realized this is gonna be a yeah that's the super shallow flat real thin key yes that goes feeling every time you type it that really obnoxious annoying one it's not like a nice mechanical keyboard noise it's a mechanical keyboard noise with out any of the gist mechanic part yeah yeah but throw is just so short but it's equally what I'm hearing here is we got a new keyboard but it could potentially have all the same problems as the other one well yeah they they specifically didn't even roll this keyboard out to fix the problem so I assume assume there was it was never a problem right I got it I got to put the Apple back hat back on do you have a sense that if it it's more than like a year old it's exponentially more likely to fail unnaturally or is it is it age-related at all I don't know I think it's even age-related because some people showing up with this have had it for six or eight months and they'll show up and ask we can fix they don't want to wait a week or two for the Apple store to do it hmm weird not good just like I come forward just don't hold it that way yeah it's just this really weird level of utopianism where I think like if it honestly reminds me what my history teacher used to talk about with with Russia and the Soviet Union where somebody would be called the counter-revolutionary because they did something wrong and they would that guy would get thrown in prison and then the guy that was throwing him in prison would wind up getting thrown in prison by somebody else but like somebody will say my machine is getting really hot and I get lines on the screen and I'll say why don't you get AppleCare yet I don't care anybody would have been covered and then the guy and then the guy that says that ends up one day out of AppleCare with the machine we're like it'll just start randomly crashing and he's like oh my god maybe that other person was right but then he'll post in the forum and I go why didn't you get they'd released the replacement program for it why didn't you get it and one of the funny things was the 2010 MacBook where they say it had a crashing problem because they used the wrong capacitor they released the replacement program in 2013 that only covered the Machine three years from the date of purchase and the machine was manufactured in 2002 you were sitting there going f5 f5 f5 f5 and their warranty page maybe you would be able to get it but it's a but if you believe that Apple products are this great because in some ways they are you know they're easy to use they use PCI Express SSDs in 2013 they had really great screens they don't crash as often if you're comparing its older windows and something goes wrong you really don't want to believe that the product is bad yeah so you either have to admit that they have faults or you have to deny your own experience and what drives me nuts is when people will actually believe I'm typing on it wrong I'm holding it wrong I'm encoding video on a row and that's what tries me not it's not that the product itself is terrible it's that when something goes wrong with it people will just treat themselves as if they did something wrong rather than if the company did some because they truly believe the product is fail proof yeah it's like you know it's not like other companies don't have faults to which test if somebody buys an HP and that happens they will yell at HP they won't but if something happens with an Apple product and that's the same fault they'll just believe that they did something wrong and it drives me up a wall yeah and it's it's it's it's a frustrating experience too because like I I've generally liked apples ecosystem because I will send certain people they're like like for instance my mom I tried to get her to get an iPhone then she got used to Android so there's no point trying to flip that over again but I tried to get her to get an iPhone because like you said they're they're quite easy easy to use they're usually fairly intuitive all that kind of stuff but then when you start having these problems it's like okay you're spending it with this new app MacBook up to like seven thousand dollars if you want to get the crazy one next year oh there you make it pretty expensive what you can get six cores 32 gigs of ram like 4 terabyte SSD so you can get the specs ridiculously high which is I guess part of the factor because any time you tear up anything in Apple's customizer expensive and there's some things that they do well you know if David Bowie was coming back to life for 20 minutes and I have one chance to record you've been around again I would want to do it on a Mac not Windows 10 right it's just I don't want to deal with all these problems Windows 10 might try to you know man okay so for LTX which is tomorrow we have we have two guests here from the forum two guys that I've never met before which i think is actually really cool that they're coming I haven't seen them yet but two admins on the forum and one of them came over here with his business laptop and he had a Windows Update hit him while he was here and it bricked his windows I remember the exact details but he had to rush here in the morning and borrow a computer in a flash drive so he could get Windows onto a flash drive so he could completely reformat everything so he could keep working Microsoft genuinely earned the reputation that they have and they are the people that will put up with this nonsense from Apple just to escape it I completely understand it well I've had two systems completely fail on update to the point to where it was the system was completely unstable and I remember getting Windows Vista with a new machine where when it first came out you couldn't even run programs without running an update you would just try to open a new browser and it would just sit there and then 20 minutes later it would open yeah really bad what my computer was one of the admittedly I guess probably over the overall spectrum the amount of people that had this happen to him not that high percentage but my computer was one of the ones that when they forced the upgrade to Windows 10 I wasn't even at home I had denied the upgrade so many times then I was at work and while I was at work my computer upgraded from Windows 7 and Windows 10 and bricked itself that was when they implemented the like click here now before this countdown gone if you don't want it yeah because they new people leaving their systems on walking away going to work yeah whatever you come back suddenly mid update and I even ran the scripts that are supposed to stop it but then they'd release some update that would get around that and it was just very frustrating one thing I've enjoyed this entire conversation is that Wendell has been almost silent hasn't said anything yet we're not wrong well no yeah okay use that but it's the Linux man yes like Linux there are systems that I have that have up times of like 600 days which is actually really bad because there are kernel updates and security updates and stuff like that so those machines are potentially etosha with Mary but yeah 600 days of uptime yeah I like running Windows in a virtual machine because then it's it's like oh look what Facebook herself I can just hit a button and it's like oh look it's the way that it was yesterday nice try Microsoft you failed one of the things we're actually working on back in my studio right now is if you landed on my hand right now so we're gonna we're gonna get them okay we actually we're actually gonna do some rollback some force updates we're gonna do comparative benchmarks to see how much it actually impacts your system both high-end and low-end because there's time we're doing benchmarks we really don't see something's weird like we start going you know really super stuttery or something we realize like oh look a background process updates happening it's eating 25% of our resources yeah yeah Anna tech ran into that with their there's n plus coverage yeah the like rise of the Tomb Raider a whole bunch of games who are running it as good or slightly better on AMD than Intel and it was because they had the high precision timer which reading and writing from hardware registers triggers the meltdown specter mitigations more again yeah so depending on what you're doing you could have a significant reduction in performance right it's an interesting situation do you want to talk a little bit about not too much because we got a video to release but you want to talk a little bit about what you're doing here with Anthony it was exciting here yeah I spent from I spent Monday and Tuesday with Anthony doing Linux stuff and it's Linux on gaming gaming on Linux and so we look at native Linux on gaming which is pretty cool it basically works and then gaming through wrappers like wine and all the various flavors about running 12 different versions of wine at the same time easily and then finally virtualization and the horizon for doing everything through a virtual machine and not really sacrificing anything in terms of performance so I'm really looking forward to that that'll be really good will have companion guides and stuff on the forum for like really nitty-gritty step-by-step if you want to do Fedora or Ubuntu or you know arch or whatever and everything he just said is why we were talking earlier about how Apple is sometimes more easily accessible like 12 different versions of wine yeah oh so you're running a game for Mac well you're gonna have to do the metal API yeah let's say 15 years ago if you wanted to do a digital audio workstation Linux was terrible for it but it's gotten a lot better you know yes I still I still got some rough edges I extremely rarely do do the hip things and go to clubs and stuff but the only time I ever will is for one of my friends and on his birthday and we went to one place and I noticed that the DJ had a giant MSI laptop with an argue full RGB keyboard and stuff I was even thinking like that's just like weird like I took a photo because I was like oh it's cool but it's it's usually a MacBook and even just it was one of the like thick ones because I had the I believe it was one mechanical keyboard once so like this isn't huge yeah it's a massive massive cumbersome laptop that he brings to shows firmly believe that this like we want laptops as thin as paper I don't think that a lot of consumers really want that I think consumers like thin and light but I think if you tell a consumer hey you can get five more years out of this machine if it's got a replaceable keyboard and it's just a hair thicker reasonable you've talked about this a bunch with phones not to admit that I watched a huge amount of your content and have since way before I made videos but you're talking about how you see a lot of reviewers review a phone and it's different than consumers looking at a phone yeah because we're thinking there's plastic backs all that kind of stuff there's this big disconnect when I read a review and then when I talk to people who come in and say what they want on a phone just well you know let's say we're fixing somebody's phone we can have a 15 minute conversation I've never heard a normal person that I've met in real life talk about the bezel of a phone every single reviewer they'll spend two or three power grabs talking about the bezel well you know how it goes out to the end and now if I've no casing at all I've never heard somebody talk about that or care you know in real life they think you know it would be nice if I drop my phone from here to here that it not break they don't care about the bezel or they'll say the back is made of premium materials but the regular person will see I can see fingerprints that's ugly yeah or they're gonna stick it in a case anyway you know yeah an ass that you know like a phone like this has to go in a case because it's it'll crack if I go from here to here yeah and the back of it looks nice but if I actually touch it you can feel the only thing I care about with bezel is whether or not it's slippery by it without a case yeah and the other things are getting more slick over time you know and that's that's always bugged me but other than that it's why you don't really see phone reviews on my channel because I'm one of those people that just don't care about any of that yeah you so the phone imagine if you said I think that if you put it in a bullet point two years from now it will still work the battery can be replaced and it's not gonna slow down too terribly that somebody may actually consider buying it over something else you know you have an extra eighth of a millimeter but you can replace the battery LG g5 for just that reason it's no ancient by today's standards but removable battery and metal back and it still has a fingerprint sensor and it's not like super and I see a lot of people say yeah but in two years you're gonna get a new phone anyway it's okay you may get a new phone anyway in two years but somebody that doesn't want to spend the extra two or four hundred dollars isn't being I'm sorry I used to be an annual upgrader but not anymore like I'll go I'll go two years plus and usually the only thing that will make me upgrade is if I start seeing bad battery degradation that's only because I've been on iPhone for the longest time now it's because it's super simple and that's only because it's not easy to service battery swaps you know for an average great end user so I think that design kind of peaked around probably the galaxy s3 mmm-hmm cos removable battery upgradable storage and it still had a plastic back yeah and there were cases for that you could replace the back like you got you take the back off and have like a leather back if you wanted oh and when I was still working in iti we had an entire fleet of s3 is out there and you could do the extended battery with the extend back cover you know we were sending those out into the field yeah a lot of people said well the battery life on modern phones is good enough that you don't need a second battery to get through the day but that totally ignores that or not me yeah after it's not even added that that's not even so much as it is one year or two years later when it barely has any battery life I want that I'm gonna keep this thing for longer than two years in Rio no reason to buy and I think more people would buy it if you actually advertise that and I haven't seen anybody advertised longevity as a feature know one thing in twitch chat I posted a poll because I'm I'm interested on the exact percentages at least for our audience which is a terrible section if we want to be scientific but whatever I want to see the exact percentages of people that care about ultra thin bezels so check straw poll in the chat and s3 specifically I have one interesting story with that that ties into what you're talking about with it should be able to fall right I was I was at university and I was late for class so I was sprinting and I ran down a huge set of steps and I had too much momentum and there was one of those like polls that stopped cars from going into areas so I decided I'll just hop over it and I jump and I remember that my as I'm midair I remember that my phone is in my sweater pocket not in my jeans pocket it goes flying smacks into the ground the battery goes one way the bat goes the other way the rest of the phone goes the other way tiny chip in the corner put everything back together turn it back on works perfectly my phone was that s3 it was a hex on a break yeah and they're like I think one of the things that actually helps is that it kind of explodes and it like says I can't remove the correct terminology for it but the force of the impact goes with each part and lets it yeah blow I was three one of the earlier glass yeah yeah yeah before they kept making the grill that's thinner which then just made it as brittle as anything else yeah well with the g5 where it's got the replaceable battery and still kind of modern I've replaced the battery in 70 twice yeah I mean it's it was basically launched iPhone and it's you just slide it out and slide a new battery in it's eight books from China yeah that's the other thing you can get those batteries so cheap if you buy them third party so the the poll results for people that didn't click on results when they ended is about 78% of people do not care about ultra thin bezels and 28 while I guess yeah 22 percent of people do that's the audience but watching at an Integra view Channel yeah so it's skewed but I don't necessarily know in what direction it's still it's such a high percentage that like we've seen it though we've seen early polls you let them go for five minutes or five days it tends to whatever like the first few minutes ratio it won't change the song goes yeah generally stay there yeah yeah so like I and well the thing is if you if you expose that poll to a much different audience yeah it might shift it a bit more but I I kind of doubt it I have had a similar experience I'm sure you've talked to more people about it but I've had a similar experience talking to just friends and family yeah like what would you want in a phone I've ever reading so many phone reviews for this and I saw one Eli the computer guy clip of a video very you know with his $500 camera pointing at it saying this is me load in Google Maps this is it not lagging and I just thought sold that's all I really care because that I do every day when I go to you know hail an uber is it gonna take forever when I want to scroll around is it gonna take forever it is this is the battery last you know things like that with phones these days that can like play relatively decent graphic fidelity games at relatively decent frame rates like they can probably open uber and Google Maps relative like we've progressed so far in the mobile computing oh yeah these things all right like the early days of smartphones back when I had my blackberry storm and the Droid 1 was out and the iPhone 3 and 3G or 3GS you know it's like back then it was a big deal like this one Scrolls smoother where the Android was choppy and stuff were obviously there was big variance between the devices but now everything's so damn close yeah it's really hard to differentiate a winner it really comes down to the to the interface I think the interface battle is the thing that keeps Android iPhone and then I think like surprise black crazy was still around but the only other person I've met the tediz storm that was I had a storm because you feel about the first generation storm I never used I never used the because I think I had a physical keyboard - you remember quickly that one know that there was no physical that was the one that clicked that's right it had the it clicks like the whole screen went yeah but it only had one button in the middle right as you got further out to the edge you go I got it because I mean I was on Verizon and we didn't have any other options at the time yeah you know iPhone obviously didn't come to Verizon until the the 4s was out and then it lacked so badly right and then seven minutes so as soon as the droid won the original droid came out I replaced the BlackBerry with that and then I carried both iPhone and Samsung work for quite a while so I I've got a very unique perspective of at least back in 2013 what it was like to be a duel wielder you know yeah yeah I never had any experience on the other side of the road back then but I remember when like the first Android butter update came out mmm that like that was the biggest deal I had seen in a while because it massive I think blue cleaners was like one of the first ones I was on oh yeah yeah yeah okay you know what phone was massively underrated was the last generation t-mobile Sidekick I heard like people really liked it yeah it ran Java which is like you would think it would be a pile of garbage cuz Java it's especially in those days because I was before Android but the thing with the phone is that if it does what you wanted to do really well that it's a really good phone it doesn't need to be a status symbol the sidekick was kind of like it looked like a toy but had a good keyboard and the screen was decent but it also had a color LCD that was reflective so you're not gonna get like photorealistic color but you could get color and so the battery life would last forever like days because it wasn't actually having a backlight unless it was dark outside even you mentioned status symbol to here's a here's a strawpoll might be interesting how many people choose a phone based on it being an accessory or a status thing yeah right because III think a lot of people choose their phone based on where people gonna think of my phone I think it's kind of sad but I feel like there's a good percentage of people that care how many people are gonna admit to that though okay it's not really much of a problem anymore but there was a there was a while there or like the the pricey phones couldn't connect to like a corporate email and stuff like that primarily and so I was on the receiving end of that and it's like you need to get this phone or this phone if you wanted to work properly with your email system or they're like I'm gonna buy this because it looks like I'm wealthy and it's just that was one of the reasons why I had the BlackBerry to begin with because when I was working in software at the time in our IT department we had you know all of our own mail servers and stuff it wasn't through standard pop or any of that stuff so it was the phone that could connect to it but I'll be the first to admit that one of the reasons why I got I phone back when it first came to Verizon was simply because it was something I couldn't get before and suddenly I could and everyone had it and I wanted it because of that and I literally it's just state with it ever since because I got used to it and I'm comfortable I'm not really a mobile power user and I don't need well by being greeted by the iPhone 4 it was not completely unusable but the iPhone the one that didn't have copy/paste I just can't imagine that world yeah I see I joined long after that obviously what speaking of not being able imagine that world will start from over here and go across what was your favorite phone like at that point in time I guess at that point in time I think the HTC incredible in 2010 because the other Android phones were slow and clunky I was coming from a blackberry storm so six-minute boot time opening browser takes a minute every time you do something in stutters and I got that phone and when I would tap something it just opened immediately there was no lag I'm sure if I upgrade it to a new version of Android with it or a newer I shouldn't say new yeah as well yeah and it also actually fit in your hand comfortably right very few phones will fit in my hand comfortably now because they're large just really big yeah - the - has a similar problem - that he likes old iPhones because they're much smaller mm-hmm what about you I've never had a phone that I like for more than six months like it's okay for six months and then with the software updates and whatever I'm doing to it it starts to run really bad okay what what phone had the best six month period then probably the t-mobile Sidekick yeah the very last generation one because you could really quickly but switch between a bunch of tasks the web browsing wasn't terrible instant messaging wasn't terrible email was pretty good there was a there was one device before that that was like really it was a little before that era uh there was like a Motorola pager thing it wasn't on a phone that thing was awesome I had that before I had a cell phone and that was like because then people couldn't call me it was great I mine would probably be my s3 I'm gonna be easy basically that story s3 was awesome thing was a tank I had it for so long I think it still works we got close we I had that phone for a very very long I hate him did you see it hit the ground he spiraled and he came back up he won't actually hit him look got him but he's not dead he's spiraling to keep flu back up big work one was gonna get sucked into that machine and be on one of the fans yeah he's right there there's another one yeah there's three I was so excited I felt like my leg was gonna be the death platform for this fly and I was I was stoked but yeah Adam is 3 what about you I really liked the s3 just cuz it was a good size improvement but I don't want to copy your answer so probably my original Droid because I actually laid around back then with a lot of routing roms actually wrote it my own soundboard app back then for like playing my daughter's first words I wrote that for my wife so she could have it at her phone and so it was a lot of fun but then I think back then obviously there was a lot of limitations there the first moto droid and battery life kind of sucked and early Android wasn't as smooth it was clunky it took them like a year to make TouchWiz not up joint right my prom with the Samsung phones was my tableau where they came with yeah so that drives me nuts yeah I've never I've that's one reason why I'm on a pixel right now it's just the stock experience is always preferred for most most other phones that I've had I've tried as hard as I possibly can to revert it to a stock based experience I do not like any of the custom UIs I don't like any of that kind of stuff it's all it's all garbage just phones - amazing let's crap it up boys yeah I've never seen somebody asking us say I would like this phone to run slower please add your own software to it yeah you ever seen anybody ask for the big spike a little bit more leg it's kind of like laptops now Rach Emma sighs notorious for crap ton of dashboards and bloatware and stuff you know it's like you get rid of all that stuff it's a good experience but otherwise when you work in a shop that sells not necessarily a repair shop but when you work in a shop that sells laptops and one of your main services is making them not junk out of the box that's that's like a weird weird place to be we have pull results for the the question NAT surprise I don't think it's true at all all choose themselves oh yeah definitely people are lying well it might be a little bit of lying it might be a little bit of subconscious shifting where you've decided that you want that foam because of say this anyways you'll justify it because of performance or future reasons and I think probably the strongest factor is that the audience that we have well there's smartphone MPT right if you have a crappy phone the guy next to you pulls up the latest version you're kind of like oh right I want the same thing if you've got the latest one you kind of want to be like everyone look at my phone you know because it's it's sad but it really is like an accessory yeah yeah yeah but like again with our audience though it's it's a bunch of PC performance freaks I'm not that surprised that PC performance freaks want high performance and high feature phones if we did this survey across everyone on the planet and everyone answered honestly I bet you status would probably be higher than anything else probably but with this audience and with natural skew am I'm not surprised it was 95 percent well people really admit that because then they have to admit to themselves I spend an extra four hundred dollars for status and that's not a pill that I think most people would swallow yeah it's it's it's an interesting question like the do you buy things for for like like functionality over aesthetic or aesthetic over functionality I think a lot of people will say that they buy something for functionality but they might even be buying the aesthetic of functionality if that makes sense yeah if something looks like it's highly functional then they want that thing it's it's a really interesting mind game scenario because you might be convincing yourself of something and now you can realize through system there's a dimension of that that's sort of related which is taking your customizations and your settings and stuff and that has always been like if you spend a lot of time customizing your phone or customized going ever it is to make it exactly just so you will be punished because every time there's an update or every time you switch phones it is super difficult to get all those customizations from one device to another and it shouldn't be yeah that's one of the few things I liked about Apple's operating system is that when you use migration assistant and time machine it just copies everything every app even the settings within your applications will get all even your third-party applications I'll get copied over perfectly it's really one of the reasons why I stayed on it's gonna be I owe s for so long was simply because a new phone copy from previous backup you know restore up and running and everything's exactly how I left it I don't even use the ecosystem I don't have a watch I'm out of it I don't have an apple or what's the Apple TV thing I'll have anything I have no other part of the ecosystem I even have a MacBook but even they aren't connected yeah yeah Microsoft really screwed the pooch with the registry because the registry was supposed to be that and also your application data folder and like theoretically you can move between machines but in a Yank it ends badly every time yeah you can copy a certain features of certain applications but not everything and you have to reinstall the applications yourself I noticed that when when you upgrade to a new phone new device right it doesn't save the apps or anything it saves the app data and then redownload the apps fresh and then really populates data yeah which before it used to be like you said a direct copy which was even I believe in the earlier days was even copying the battery data which was making new batteries perform like poor batteries because of that efficiency scale yeah so I did notice that when I created this one yeah that was one of the worst things like working in a like computer shop and you'd be doing services and you someone would buy a new computer and they'd want a data transfer and I try to because I tried to be at least somewhat honest I would try to explain to them this is pretty easy to do on your own but if they wanted it anyways sure whatever sounds good and you go to do it and then you have to tell them that they can't bring any of their programs and there's just that kind of that's a 20 minute conversation and there's like this ratio where like as the customer is older the conversation is longer yeah there's yeah and then you have to explain well you have to remember your own Wi-Fi password and you'll have to do this and that because we do data recovery and sometimes we can recover it to where you can do a you can use migration assistant when you get all their programs and sometimes you can't and I'm just copying your data folder from here to here and a lot of people even if I explain to them you have to reinstall your programs your settings will not be the same when they show up they go where's my where's my stuff yeah it's on this folder like a your music isn't the music folder okay but well no it's in there you just got a lot of bytes yeah I've had people actually break down with tears because they didn't remember their email password yeah yeah you know password was in the unlike I can't get you that it's like yeah I and the email password is an interesting one too because one of the biggest things is is like they won't have a password manager they won't have written their passwords down which I guess that's good but they won't know how to log into anything yeah and it's just like carrying those sessions over would be super nice yeah what they're paying for is not fee to transfer the data they're paying for the half hour conversation you're going to have about every single program yeah yeah there's some people that it's it's literally it's just not even worth upgrading the computer yes they would just lose all their stuff yeah it's like okay well I guess I'll deal with the slow terrible experience because it's better than losing all my programs and all my settings and all my logins and all that yeah and that especially ones it being true in broadcast or me in the music business because people will have certain plugins and if you upgrade to a new operating system they won't they won't work anymore and you'll have to find alternatives or this program like once they get a rig that works it works and they just they want to keep it as is and know that stuff can cost a lot yeah like a new operating system will mess up this is always you stepping with OS 10 in Pro Tools new OS Pro Tools wouldn't work right or just that stuff can be a nightmare for people yeah the copy-protection they bury things somewhere on the system and sometimes it's just a software compatibility thing both of those things are terrible what is it like on Linux so I've never actually tried every single Linux version that I've had has been full pure from scratch every time so that's it it's an interesting question I never try to migrate from machines mostly it's okay so like I have I have a file that customizes the command line and provide some aliases and shortcuts and stuff like that and I've been working on that for 20 years and I've never lost it and it's great and it's just like the best thing ever so it's like literally 20 years of preferences in that file other stuff is the most Linux thing I've ever heard not so good like other stuff the migration is a little bit more of a pain one of the things that you bunt who's done recently is they have this thing called snaps and so because you you like you have this version of this library that program needs and you need a slightly different version of that library for some older program that can be problematic to run those combinations of things and so one of the things that snaps does for you is that it packages all of your dependencies inside this file which uses more space but makes it the way that you have to worry about being able to run those things less so in terms of like I want to migrate all my programs to just be able to run it with those kinds of technologies generally you're a lot more successful but like a lot of the things with like kdenlive kdenlive is a great example because we get lots of support requests for kdenlive whenever forum came lob is a great program but 90% of the problems with kdenlive not actually kdenlive it's the libraries there are bugs in the libraries and so you can have audio sync issues and things like that and that is just the libraries on the system and so snaps can help with stuff like that on ubuntu cool and other technologies and other distros can help with that so it's very user respecting but it's still not quite as slick of a solution as it could be right I am going to take this slight intermission to do something that I actually completely forgot that I had to do which is sponsors so just give me a sec guys sorry first up we have private Internet access private Internet access is a VPN you guys probably know what it is at this point 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the same service that I give every customer that's the that's the best ad I think I've ever heard oh it's like a nice store manager come to me and say can you stop like showing cuss me ting the letters that customers write on screen because I'll be sitting there fixing a board and I'll go oh this Thunderbolt doesn't look good viewing are the other USB circuit looks messed bent that we can always put that stuff back on you don't really need that and I'm saying it's kind of a joke cuz I'm gonna get rid of that circuit and I'll put it back on once it turns on but there'll be people watching going all them and say is that my on the screen [Laughter] that's fantastic why is everyone spamming numbers I don't understand I'm just gonna mass ban people oh you people type F I don't know what that's done either that is f is pay respects right yeah yeah people keep doing this so that's that's a Call of Duty mean where you you like walk up to I believe they're lowering the coffin of your like friend into the ground your your friend and fellow soldier and you like you have to press F on your keyboard there's a time bar first back what is f I think F is just like it's like an easy macro key so if your fingers are on like waa yeah yeah you can well usually the to interact keys in a game on a computer is easy and I've never played : Oh everyone's spamming f i thought everyone is doing numbers and I was like alright I'm just gonna go start banning people but you know what f is okay is it cuz the stream died no it's just not showing here this is okay yeah my eyes aren't great so I'm like trying to monitor the chat for me good enough internet that you could watch your own stream while you're streaming it that's on two different devices oh yeah you're experience New York Internet I'm so sorry if somebody if I play this dream while I'm watching it I'll get dropped frames this guy from Rush actually made me a little plugin for open broadcaster it'll save this many frames stolen by Time Warner and it'll go up and it matches the open broadcaster cow why is internet in New York pad oh it's real bad we've done news stories on it it's so controlled it's such like there's so many little agreements from all the little ayats piece there that they don't compete with one another that there's basically no service or infrastructure upgrades last 15-20 years you'll either have Verizon DSL in my location which is three megabit down and point seven megabit up or you get to power which is 20 megabit up half the time for four hundred nine plus tax the hotel I'm staying at don't tell him Stanton return right now it gives me point six down point one up I went to upload a video today using the connection upstairs and I thought oh it says six minutes remaining I must have uploaded the wrong file everybody go by itself and it's like no that's 18 gigabytes and it says six minutes remaining like at home it'll say yeah 14 hours your video will be yeah wow that's weird cause like we have I couldn't operate Australia's horrible for internet and I've been learning that doing the floatplane stuff that I've been doing speaking of which sponsor spot flow playing calm heck yeah scrappy Wars this weekend kay I'm done but it's like even just getting servers like renting a server and Australia's ludicrously expensive because the Internet's so crazy expensive and Canada has a similar problem of one of the problems that Australia has which is large landmass not a ton of people they also have the problem of being kind of isolated and kind of the main path of mostly undersea cables but Canada's problem were all extremely spread out we all of Canada has less population than just the state of California and then a massive country so you put those two together it's not a really great combination luckily we're all mostly nestled leaving it's like cities that dot around the country it's like Vancouver itself does pretty well this place has 1,000 down 1,000 up my house my like random suburbia house has fiber 150 down 150 up oh and I pay significantly less than you do 409 a month is like taxes 409 a month for what 460 ft it's 20 megabit up 300 mega bit down but the 20 megabit up it's like sometimes 20 sometimes 10 sometimes five sometimes I actually had to get Verizon DSL along with the Time Warner because the Time Warner goes down so often that I got a PF sense router that will automatically switch over to the hundred dollar-a-month Verizon DSL when it dies so that I can still process credit cards Wow that's pretty typical for New York yeah I expect the Time Warner that cost 409 a month to go down often enough that it's worth it to have another so a connection like me my studios in the greater LA area and I've got 300 by 300 fiber $4.99 it's pretty yeah I'm paying I believe it's 99 but I had like a signing bonus lowered for a temporary period of time thing for a while now for my wonderful there's a new construction a little bit like 30 minutes south of where I live and there were big old billboards as they were like you know getting the land ready that it's gonna be it was a fiber community or gigabit community and it's like it was like 59 bucks a month the other thing is on the commercial side so like a lot of commercial internet is often much worse than residential Internet at the lower tier just because frogs in the Time Warner in those companies they want at least $2,500 a month for the internet connection even if the companies like and they try and guarantee that 99.9% uptime which is absolutely yeah [Laughter] point-9 uh you know I've had to put a sign up on the door enough times it's a cash-only no internet yeah that is so aggravating when you know that you're spending over $450 on it I was gonna say with both of those internet connections that's the same oh right is this local the LTX only or can you buy this stuff online none of it okay so if you're watching this and are going to be at LTX nice little combo you can get a tech linked pin 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be there and didn't notice that you could buy shirts and happen to see this there we go best ad spot ever yeah also gonna say next one thing that I want to get through I think we we might have time is because I always find this quite interesting and wool again actually we'll switch it we'll go through this way over what got you into computers and technology in general my dad my dad after the military he was a project man he was one of the he was one of the first I was a pioneers but he was a VP a senior VP for a company that was building mainframes and and doing you know crazy old school tape drive backups and stuff and he basically talked to the company it was like guys we need to get off the mainframe and we need to get into computer product management computer based stuff PC stuff and this was back in like 79 80 and they didn't listen to him and of course the company went belly-up because they were one of the leaders in the mainframe and they were almost getting off the mainframe and but he so when when that happened he ended up going to business for himself writing project management software and from my earliest memories I was always on his lap while he was on the computer doing his thing and he had know that he said the best thing he ever did for me was when I would try and touch the computer he never was like no no don't touch don't touch he was always like he would save his work and she'd be like have fun just type away and mash on the keyboards so he never once told me I couldn't touch anything right so I've always done that with my kids okay it's kind of gone you know three generation or two generations at this point now my youngest daughter now is she's three and a half and showing interest in the computer which is I think it's fantastic sure so yeah it was it was just my dad and that was just life was computers and remember it's that simple I think I've told my story a million times so I'll do a very brief version of it but I just wanted to play Diablo and the computer stopped working so I learned how to fix it so I could keep playing Diablo and it's gone from there there's there's longer versions but you've probably heard it a million times it's I don't really I mean I don't really know where to start there was a Finder is kind of interesting because you were like super in the middle of nowhere right yeah I was super in the middle the first event really that led to that was there was this old guy and well I was sort of bored in school and they were trying to figure out how to do deal with that because it was like kindergarten or first grade or something and there was an old guy visiting from the Stevens Institute and he's like alright let's figure this out so we set up an apple - - with like a wooden break to measure your reaction time when like you hit the thing wood there was like a basic program that would run and tell you what your reaction time was for like breaking in a car and so he walked me through soldering wires into something inside the Apple 2 and then riding a program on the Apple 2 and doing all the stuff and was like I have to learn more and so you were in kindergarten a great one I was very young yeah that's quite an offensive project cuz I like took everything apart I got in trouble for taking apart like the TV and yeah and in school which is what led to this okay I needed a machine to work on some sessions and Logic Pro and the studio that I was working at it closed down so I bought a MacBook because I was broke he used on eBay and it can't arrive broken I got a discount on it so I bought the screen that I needed to fix it and then when I didn't need it anymore I sold it and I realized I made a profit of two or three hundred dollars so I thought let me do this again so I was buying and reselling them for a month or two then I wanted to start offering the services to other people I didn't think it was economically viable but then I realized the part is 80 to 90 dollars an Apple charges twelve hundred at the time to replace the entire screen assembly so I just kept doing that over and over again people started bringing liquid damaged ones eventually so I started sending them off to a company in China that would fix them they were doing worse and worse job as time went on so I figured if I've been working on recording studio equipment in consoles component-level let me see if I can figure out how to do this so after a lot of I think a few years of painfully messing around and failing a lot and recording a lot of it for YouTube yeah I got decent enough at it that I could offer it's a regular costumers in that was that I think the YouTube thing started from making a video because reseller ratings was trying to up the rate by about a thousand percent so I did a video on their process that got 120,000 views that I thought would get ten that was that cool and you've mentioned audio stuff a few times this way in show so what what was your involvement in the music industry I worked at avid I went to Avatar studios and I said that I would remember saying something like I would rather wash the toilets here than work at any other place for money and I remember I showed up for my interview and the guy asked what is this thing that I have in my pocket and it was a si muy headphone amplifier that I put together myself from stuff that I bought on eBay and he said you're hired I think that was Roy Hendrickson so I worked there and I clean the toilets and I clean the you know all the floors and the consoles and everything for three months and then I after working there for free after three months I got to work in the tech room with the other people working on SSL consoles and eve consoles do we tape machines and that was that cool sweet it was fun I think with that we are oh no we have about 10 minutes left let's see if there's any actual topics to talk about no topics no turns out recycling garbage in like the poor part of the thing that's also a really good way to get technology that's how I got most of my first computers it's like let's Frankenstein stuff together I think I feel like most people that are into computers have a similar story that like my favorite one is I went to a like a country high school we didn't have very much money especially not in the tech departments and the way that we built a new computer lab because we need to run really badly because there's a lot of kids in the school that we're interested in computers it was just designed as a country's closest and most trades and stuff the way we built a new computer lab was my teacher waited for the truck that went to all the different schools and picked up all their broken computers because they did it once every like few years and called him the guy directly I don't know how you got his number and diverted him to our school which I really what he wasn't planning to go to because we had no computers to give up and he was like yeah we got some stuff just like leave the truck for a little while and he left the truck and we offloaded everything that was on there which was like not supposed to happen I'm not gonna say your name but thank you very much teacher because I think the hard drives and stuff that were on there yeah but we took everything we shoved it all in one room and then my teacher was just like okay bye thank you leave now and we spent the next few months that whole computer class just like we would lay out like oh my goodness okay this motherboard actually works let's find all the CPUs and all the RAM and everything that can go into this board and test all of it and mark everything is good or bad and like find all the use those to find all the motherboards that work and like don't remove Allah and we go to building like one and a half computer labs out of it that was a really really cool project a lot of fun we had a I was accused by the time I made it to high school I was accused of black magic because the local repair place would always replace the motherboard whenever a ps2 remember a kid with something the ps2 ports were really that is like if you pulled the keyboard the wrong way and blow the fuse on the motherboard and so it was not surface mount it was through-hole it's really easy to replace and I would be like well let's just crack it open take the motherboard out and replace the the through-hole fuse and the local computer repair company was like black magic witchcraft burn him burn him at the stake is green we can replace the motherboard we can't just repair them that that's like three cents we can't do it so yeah that was not fun in a poor high school or they can't afford a thousand bucks a machine to replace stuff and you I'm just I don't know why I'm jumping back to this now I kind of skimmed over it when you were first telling the story but you built a amplifier you said it was a seam line means they have all these guides in line of how to build them it's a headphone amplifier that you build into an Altoid skin that's powered off a 9-volt battery so what got you into that though I just enjoyed hi-fi audio okay yeah yeah so you wanted like kind of build something yeah just thought it was something cool to do in my spare time and I've seen it if I remember correctly you have those like the I'm gonna use the wrong term but the sound dampening panels yeah panels yeah yeah in my office and at all yeah are you still into custom hi-fi stuff yeah yeah cool what's what's like the most recent custom IFI project you done I like just the van der Steen set of speakers that I have at home you really don't need really expensive stuff to make it sound good you can find you stuff online like van der Steen speakers for $400 the cheap amplifier and some of those Corning 7:03 panels and it'll sound amazing yeah I've actually been for a while now I've wanted to copy your your sound dampening panel project you just can't have a cat because if you have a cat then they use it as a scratching post they've made it an entire section of my apartment look like garbage the cat is cute silicates away hey you worked a nightie for quite a while I had several hats in that company but I worked very close well I started actually doing energy audits and stuff within the company and we also wrote our own software to run on various devices either iPads or the Samsung device as I mentioned and we had major contract with the power companies and then our IT department was extremely overworked and supporting all these devices upgrade 'i'm gettin ready to go repairing and we also had our in-house a software development team and then the more they realized that I was the guy that was actually going around in the field helping other people field people so get a problem you to call in to the helpdesk right and our helpdesk was three guys trying to support a company at three hundred and fifty field agents and it was just like that could get overworked really easy yeah and that was the same our IT department of three was the same guys also building and managing our three countrywide six major cities VPN that kept all of our offices and communications so if they were doing that or they were out at a data center or something we were just like down in person yeah so I was the guy that everyone started calling out in the field to come help them if they had tech problems with their equipment or somebody was broken needs it fixed when the company realized I was doing that then they were like hey you want to manage our helpdesk and I was like I don't know we'll see so because they knew I had all the end-user experience as well as the technical know-how to keep it all working well once I got into that role they realized I also knew an okay amount of coding and design from my dad being approached a software developer so then they were like you want to be a part of our QC QA team and be a part of our automated testing and I'm like wait you want me to do helpdesk management and this so basically I ended up having like these three hats at one time which really burned me out to be almost as I did that for almost 10 years right and then that was when I started doing UT thing and just kind of moved out of there but it was fun I learned a lot obviously it was unique to have this kind of a Venn diagram of experience all three of those aspects you know development support and then end user which really gave me a unique understanding of what it's like from top to bottom when it comes to product testing and and use yeah so I try and take everything from a very practical perspective of how I approach tech but I do have a very high level knowledge to on where a lot of it starts and I but I try not to really go into any of that in my content because I leave stuff for that like Wendell and gamers Nexus yeah the guys who can actually communicate that in a manner which people can understand because I'm very good at practical use but I'm very bad at technical explanation okay so and I'm gonna take something that you said and something that you explained but so you you got into YouTube because you wanted to kind of express annoyance from who was it customary celebrating Greece already being so calm and you mentioned that you started to get into YouTube at that time but why did you start to get into YouTube it was a dare Oh someone dared me um so I was lighting yeah well I was live-streaming Call of Duty 3 close couple quarters when it launched because Nick coconut monkey and I were good friends and we played that all the time and I'd started live-streaming it because when when it dropped for premium access early access he was like with a family on vacation he couldn't play it to his all butthurt so I basically was like okay I'll find out how to stream it so you can watch it and see the early access another gentleman by the name of holiday doc came in and just randomly found my stream and he was a pretty well known like Call of Duty Cod caster for like a MLG and he just thought that I was funny and entertaining and we became friends and after a couple of months he's like you should do YouTube people would find like this tech stuff interesting because I became like the guy he asked PC questions to he didn't know anything about disease and then he was like you should do stuff like this on youtube I said and I and at the time I didn't know but Linus tech tips I didn't know people made livings on YouTube I was this is 2012 I was super ignorant to what was going on I was like who the heck would watch a channel about computers that sounds like the most boring thing anyone would ever spend their time doing he's like well just try it so he I basically told him I'll try it but what it fails will you leave me alone he kept bugging me about doing it and so I was like fine I'll try it and then of course it just sort of steadily took off and that sense like built in a computer it sent in parts yeah it's it's one of those things where I only did it to show that it would not work yeah and fast-forward six years it's now my life it's not incorporated and it's now helping other people pay their bills cuz now I have employees so it's crazy I that's that's actually really cool and I like the part where you sent him but yeah you're in parts and stuff that's gonna cool the payback I I got into YouTube because I was like really really into mechanical keyboards like before America really had very many mechanic that's not rare at the like really into that yes it there's there's forums dedicated to and stuff it's just not that big of a community and I had like I had my own like imported from Taiwan keyboard and all kind of stuff and I wanted to show it off because I was proud that I finally actually gone a mechanical rightward instead of just researching them online all the time so I filmed the video of that and then never released it and now there's some people of watching this have probably seen it but there's a video of Linus and I watching that video both just essentially me oh yeah because that was when I was like critiquing your first video like my people were doing that yeah yeah yeah so we we critiqued a video that no one had seen cuz it was never released anywhere right so that that directors commentary thing we were talking about like as its airing and then you're so embarrassed cuz like oh my god believe I said that yeah you think like you nailed this video you go back and you little you're like wow especially because I said something that was like factually incorrect what was your first mechanical keyboard DK 9008 g2 from ducky let's see I mean duckies a mouse it's still the keyboard that I yes my first was a razer blackwidow oh yeah okay I mean nothing super special but it was a blue switch with that that was super cool until I started streaming I still carry with it my or bust is what I do okay I'll get a black model in actually actually that's cool a fairly impressive collection of the SSK model amps as well the numpad less ones yeah I have a match I should be able to make it at all them about 80 if I only use the SS case okay that's pretty sweet I'm oh and yeah you know comp still makes them all win but it's a little wider it's not it's nice a mention yeah the the earlier ones that are better the lighter ones I've got a lot of money from like the healthcare industry and stuff so you know comp is making higher quality products and they were even a couple of years ago and they're it's almost as good but man those assets like it's nice the other thing I really miss is are the extra keys so I've had to like remap my keys for things on the right side of the keyboard it's not bad yeah I have one properly functioning model and but I generally don't use it I've got a bunch of the ones with a num lock you can totally have one I would like the number pad yeah yeah that's fine having cool I can even give you new inbox I've got like four of those of like the original yeah holy cow that would be pretty cool but how did you get into YouTube the very first video that I made was actually even before the thing like I used well that's a long story but even before all of that there is a video that I'm surprised that no one found and it was when Windows Vista came out I was so angry I probably should have been medicated and I was really worried about privacy and things like that but I made a driver showing how Nvidia had completely screwed the pooch on 64-bit drivers under 64-bit Vista they literally took their 32-bit driver and pasted it into a 64-bit raw wrapper I was so mad I could not see straight I was seething with anger because it was like you know right up to the beta launching video was like written come out with a driver and then after Vista went into production they were like okay cool here's our real driver and it was still the same garbage that had been better like the last six months before that and so there's a video on youtube of me losing my mind and ranting about this horrible pile of garbage driver that doesn't work and it'll work for five minutes and then crash and the whole reason was that as soon as the program would try to do anything outside of the 32-bit address space with that 64-bit driver it would crash because it wasn't really a 64-bit driver so there's that and that's the very first thing I did on YouTube technically I guess yeah if I want to be specific the very first stuff I did on YouTube was again this is the only reason why I thought of it even I usually forget about this but you mentioned no one found it so far no one has found this I checked a little while ago and it was still there I don't know why the titles are so bad it's probably why people can't find it but no clickbait here but uh this was I used to do guides on how to get 100% sink in like Assassin's Creed levels like no one cared that's great so what another thing I want to ask you about is you recently developed and started selling why am I forgetting the name of them right now hey bu yes yeah like multi-port kvms with really really really high-end features so that was another thing was made me almost as mad but not quite as mad as the Nvidia driver II thing that's why I brought it up it was like alright I can do something about this that I can fix because the world of kvms for like 4k and like DisplayPort 60 Hertz it's terrible it's really terrible and most I know of even now are still like VGA stuff yeah yeah and like the USB functionality is like it's designed for like the five dollar a USB keyboard which has like one of three of the cheapest USB chips don't come an but if you get an RGB keyboard it doesn't work or if you've got like the Corsair keyboards once the driver looks like it's not even really a keyboard anymore and so good luck getting that to work with a KVM and so I just I found I found somebody in Taiwan that had basically the hardware that I needed but I got them to tweak the hardware for me and I got to do software that solves the problems for people like us that would be trying to do things with a KDM that has you know a 4k display for 1.2 whatever and I basically already had a customer lined up for them so I was just sort of selling the seconds but they sold so well that we did two other runs and it is shocking the people that have come out of the woodwork to buy the kvms and generally it's done really well interestingly Mac's are the things that have the biggest problem like I could the trash can Mac Pro's don't actually follow the DisplayPort spec at all no yeah so it's the most surprised no way I've ever little problematic with Mac's of the modern max you have to use like a thunderbolt dock that has like a DisplayPort socket you can't just use a cheap cable I don't know what that's about so I'm looking I'm working on that yeah I know that the every MacBook with the since the touch bar with the dongle if you use a dongle it's not the Apple dongle your devices won't work yeah it's a rolled I plan to do a real review of that and once I got to the point where I plugged it in and I realized the dongle didn't work unless you use the $80.00 one and the $30 one worked and the two other machines I had been stopped by well the one of the design choices on the KVM is that it does not have a repeater and so a lot of the signal is like a lot of the signal out of that DisplayPort cable is just barely enough that if it's going into the monitor it's fine but if you send it in through the connector and then into the KVM which is like another four inches of cable and then back out again the signal noise ratio is not high enough for it to do a proper digital sync or whatever on that cable and it's infuriating because the spec says they should be able to push an unamplified cable that's like eight meters or something like that and if you're lucky to get four I'd be interested in what chipsets the the trashcan one uses because I think I've only open one of those immigrants it's a d3 hundred but it goes through I think it goes through the board in the bottom and then back out the connector in the back and so they have a repeater or something in the board in the bottom and that's the problem yeah because if I like just solder a little dongle directly on the d300 it's fine so you'd have to tell your customers they're coming to the neck yeah it's some some of the witchcraft after the d 300 before it makes it out of the mattress on the centrally and required yeah the you mentioned the like I think there's like four inches or whatever of cable within the within the box that was a I'm gonna tangent here a fair amount but that was a really interesting situation when USB three start first are becoming popular and you'd have those cases that have front i/o USB three but that were just cable extensions that would go all the way out the back bug into the back of your motherboard and then you'd have people with really long USB three cables so you have people with like fifteen feet worth of total actual distance for USB three and then it won't charge their frickin devices that remains a problem on cases front panel USB 3 is still yeah it's it's it's it's frustrating to when you were finally in the era where it isn't those weird extensions that have to go out the case and then into the motherboard in order to make it so you can plug in USB but they some cases will still have us be just like header cables yeah four USB three that you could plug into a different case like it's like why is it so long this is actually really bad but yeah most people will don't know about that that being said though I think we're gonna cut it here because you have to grab a plane I have a flight yeah yes to get out of here thanks for watching the wine show this was a bit of a bit of a different way to do the wine show we half covered one topic but I think it was good it was fun to talk about a whole bunch of different stuff I'm gonna let people shout out their Chan again so lewis Rossman group Lopez the two S's to Angeles is to end level one text JC sense perfect there we go I will see you guys next week I will possibly see you guys at LTX I'm gonna Joyce more this Evan I'll be there too mom do it daddy yay private Internet access for all your privates yeah LTX I need to get chilling scenes in open broadcaster dude that's great that's great I have to do it manually it sucks