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welcome to the wine show the first wine show of 2018 and uh the last window the last man show of this week where see yes there we go I forgot what was important yes is gonna happen soon yeah that's that's I'm gonna blame my mind scattering on that so who's all going cuz this is your first year it's my first year it's gonna be Alex's first year Alex the gray dish yeah it's gonna be Jake's first time away from home yes away from the nest his mom's driving him to the airport but after that he's a free man I'm gonna give her a wink in the parking lot there oh yeah knowing smile and that so so you Alex Jake max yeah and then I think that's everyone who hasn't been I'm not sure if pelo was there Lassie or not he's been around there's gonna be a pack of us though hey Brandon lookout was Pella at CES last year yeah yeah okay so it's out so it's all just writers who weren't there last year well and Max cool that was almost here all right all right okay so that's that's what's going on and see yes that's gonna be next week expect a huge torrent of videos to be hitting YouTube and floatplane it's gonna be insane bunch of stuff coming excited and stressed you should be already it's a pretty insane experience a performance anxiety on the one hand I'm so stoked because as a kid I subscribed to Xbox Magazine and they're always talking about going to e3 yeah it's totally different sure but I never thought that I'd go to any yes giant complex like that and see all this cutting-edge stuff face up yes is more more insanity in terms of like let's OOTS me the people on the floor where you need to go so III is nicely contained in one building and it they're like super way more hardcore or at least they were they've loosened it up a little bit but who could go so there wasn't a ton of people on the floor and it's all in one building this is well early in the earlier day it's like in the early 2000s it was less yes yes tighten it up yeah you should grow your beard longer you have so much more wisdom than I do in our ears are the same length make any sense but yeah CES is gonna be insane I'll be at CES with a mustache no wisdom [Laughter] either way what we're gonna talk about this week is a lot of Intel stuff a lot of arm stuff a lot of Andy stuff as you guys know CPUs right now are in kind of a terrible spot with meltdown and Specter are both going around rampaging things we're all talked about we're talking about what different companies are doing to deal with this how it's being dealt with how it might affect you how it's affecting other companies different responses that are happening due to it all that kind of stuff let's talk about all that kind of stuff and there's a bunch of other interesting things as well like some stuff to do with Spotify and Luke's super-secret New Year's resolution yeah well the intro for dramatic effect now I made that last bit up you got a few minutes to think aside eat about as much sugar as I usually do for making this show viable moving back okay let's get into it I'm gonna post an ARS technica thread it was or a post an article article there we go we'll go with that it's posted by Peter bright it's a very good article thank you Peter bright for making a very nice concise package this is everything that's going on it's way too long most people aren't going to read it grab a coffee and a doughnut to go through it kind of article there's a lot of information this whole story is like an onion layers yeah so we're gonna take you through the entire story of how these vulnerabilities were discovered the what the response from the parties involved was and kind of all the insanity that has ensued and it's still in something today yes so I'm gonna jump slightly forward and explain what they are and then we'll jump back to the start and explain how it was founded all that kind of stuff okay that's okay jump around a little bit it's gonna be crazy tangent so I'm gonna steal some of this from Ars Technica again thank you very much Peter bright melt so there's two main vulnerabilities and they're kind of related they are kind of related they they source from the same type of area so jumping to the ARS article modern processors performs speculative execution that's where a lot of this is based on that is where a processor will assume what needs to be done next and do that thing and do those calculations and then if it is wrong and that isn't what's happening next that is fine it doesn't matter it ditches all that code no big deal if it's right then hey it's already done it and it's able to execute that thing faster this is a great thing it makes things run a lot faster it's not a big deal that it's running some code and coming up with some answers and then ditching those answers because it's making a lot of other things faster when it does guess correctly pretty much only upside this is the property of modern CPUs yes that would be a reason why no spoiler alerts these these vulnerabilities don't really have as much of an impact on older much older chips yeah so specter and meltdown that we're gonna be talking about today are it perturbs the processors state in detectable ways which is bad that essentially when you break that down means that these vulnerabilities can watch even though it doesn't have access to these code paths the speculative execution code paths it can figure out what they're doing which is bad because it gives them more information and it could result in more things down the line meltdown inspectors what we know of right now so again to break down what meltdown inspector our meltdown it's applicable to every Intel chip made for many years I don't think we know necessarily right now actually is a list yeah I should show the list I don't entirely know if the list is don't believe my list oh we didn't do screen share we have an HDMI like the classic meme of wind show which is it's late screen sharing has never stopped prepared an audio doesn't work yes except what screen is that that's awesome hold on anyways there is a list I can post it in the twitch chat so you guys can check it out yourselves suffice to say it's basically every Intel chip for the last 15 years yeah it's kind of a big deal and it's going to affect different chips in different ways which is another interesting part newer chips have certain standards which will actually help them deal with this a little bit better than certain older chips it also affects different programs differently so certain programs are gonna get hit by this really heavily Microsoft has found I will go into that more later but Microsoft has found that certain anti viruses have been using things in undocumented ways that utilize this type of stuff so when they try to turn it off again we're gonna get into that more later I'm trying to be vague because we'll go more deeply into that later it causes problems for the antivirus programs which is a nightmare but any it's all it's all a whole mess but only a verbal Table of Contents meltdown after one applicable to every Intel chip for many years listed in the twitch chat and will be in the dock if you access the forum so if you're watching this on youtube or you're listening to this on soundcloud which a few people do it does actually happen some people do listen to this on soundcloud you can go into the description and there will be a forum link if you go to that that'll show the dock and in the dock there will be a link with all capital letters that says list of affected Intel CPUs anyways moving on every Intel chip for many years along with certain high performance arm designs only high performance arm designs this flawed depends on the way that operating systems share memory between user programs and the kernel and the solution right now carries some performance penalty in certain cases really brutal ones I believe the highest reporter that I've seen is about 30% yeah but I think that's more anonymous it's usually that's usually especially if it been newer CPU it's about 5% yeah yeah it's not very rarely that bad it's also only certain processes and programs that are gonna get affected by it and it's also less as impactful if you have near chips and it's gonna depend what you're doing - I've heard in gaming it can be it can result in like three frames per second yeah yes yeah but it really is going to depend but the the answer to this is to put an end to that sharing of memory between user programs and the kernel which is why there's that performance penalty and then Specter it's applicable to chips from Intel AMD and arm this is where some of the confusion came in that we're gonna talk about soon where AMD didn't think they were susceptible to anything and then now it's just Intel susceptible to more stuff and everyone's susceptible to something that each company is trying to minimize what are the yeah like AMD said this is a near zero chance of affecting us and in Intel doesn't want their stock to drop so they're saying is it it does affect you yeah yeah it's a lot of politics involved as well there's a huge amount of politics in this we'll get into that a little bit more in the future yeah it even says Intel AMD arm and probably every other processor on the market that offers speculative execution which is like all of them it's also more subtle it encompasses a trick testing array bounds to read memory within single processes which can be used to attack the integrity of virtual machines and sandboxes which is rough that's a big deal for the cloud yeah and and cross process attacks using processors branch predictors which is the thing that I was mentioning earlier where I can take little bits of resulting information to figure out what it was actually doing fixes for some aspects of Spectre appear to have been developed already but protecting against the whole range of fixes will require modification or at least recompilation of at risk programs and that is also a very rough part because that brings way more players into the space because now you're talking about programs to so I think it's fair to say that the only true fixes new chip architecture it's one it depends what we're talking about unfortunately the sketchy one that requires the most amount of tinkerer level fixing for the most amount of people is Spectre which affects everybody everybody that has Beck you ative processing which so that's that's really annoying but you can on a single system know that you're okay if you go through like everything make sure everything has been modified or recompiled that is affected by this make sure your OS level is happy all that kind of stuff turn on Windows updates guys at least yeah it's this this it's it's it's kind of a nightmare so how did this first get discovered you want to jump us there but I can clarify some things because you know okay so the way this was discovered was through Google project zero project zero is one of those little Google subsidiaries that has a specific task their task is to find what are called zero day bugs or vulnerabilities that's where the zero from project zero comes from that's right so basically you're finding a bug as soon as you can fast as you can and fixing it as soon as it's found so the way this works is there are bug bounties a certain amount of money put up if bugs are found so all these freelancers Joe schmo's hackers white hats around the world are actively searching for bugs among the suite of software and hardware that is on project zeros list so a company can say we're on your list we want your freelancers to find bugs for us yeah so a person it's a really cool program found this vulnerability I believe in the summer time actually it's been a bit people have been working on this for a little while yeah and they notified Intel at the time but it's only just become known to the public this week one quick thing someone in the chat was like idiot this doesn't affect iPhones Apple has already issued a Apple has updated both iOS and Mac OS to use dual page table mappings I believe specifically for or Spectre yeah so it does affect it the thing is it's such a low-level vulnerability that if Apple is gonna patch it they're doing it at a higher level so they're only gonna be able to defend from certain aspects of it yeah well do and there's some nice stuff like we're jumping around all over the place I know it's going to be a little bit hard to follow I would highly recommend checking out the Rancho doc on the forum for this reading a few of the different actual articles that have been properly posted we're trying to talk live the ARS article is really good but also with something like this you should cross-reference information just to make sure you're getting everything good so if this is affecting you or you're really interested in this I would definitely recommend diving into it but people like Amazon with s2 instances are pushing updates of their own which is like handling everything on their side which is really nice but there's that that's not the case in all situations but sorry continue well you continue so when I don't know that they found moving after that at universities they made a nice white paper about it yeah so universities from America I remember it cuz it's 3a countries America Austria and Australia oh no it did this thing randomly when we're doing the wine show I get signed out of my Google account and I have to it's okay I don't actually need it this second I'll get signed in while I'm talking it's so much yeah and everything now hopefully not but yeah universities from America Australia and Austria and Google project zero and people working at Microsoft and Google and Amazon and all these huge companies all came together to try to work on this and they've been working on it actually for quite a while there's this is where we get into there's a lot of different information and it's a little bit confusing what happened next but the public figured out and the public figured out not that long ago the main article that really blew in a lot of people's minds because it was much more public-facing I believe was the register article register code at UK which is posted in the land och if you want to check it out on the forum that was as far as I know one of the biggest explosions in terms of more people knowing there was talk about it on on more like programmer focused back channels this was a big news outlet bringing it on I could be wrong about that it could have been someone else first this is the first one I saw saying and I think it's the first one most people saw it got to there as far as I know because a programmer at AMD pushed code to the Linux kernel let's see here yeah so there was an embargo on all this kind of stuff through the Google project 0 platform not everyone agrees with having embargoes on these types of things some people position themselves with like all information should be open everyone should know everything that's going on and your opinion on that is whatever ZZZ but there was an embargo and it wasn't like technically broken I don't know you can frame that however you want but yeah so it says it's true that AMD didn't actually reveal the details of the flaw before the embargo was up but one of the company's developers came very close and close enough to infer what was actually going on an Ambu developer contributed a Linux patch that excluded AMD chips from the meltdown mitigation in the note with the patch the developer wrote the AMD microarchitecture does not allow memory references including speculative references that access higher privileged data when running in a lesser privileged mode when that access would result in a page fault so with that information knowing that people are writing code and it's extremely important having that basically is like we are not vulnerable to this and knowing that people are working on something very major and he's like excluding themselves from you can kind of figure out what's going on but then the guy kind of got murked by us but wait there's a notice more so as always to this is where the politics part comes in because and ok this is where it gets confusing too because I have also heard that there was stuff at Google that was leaked there's also been some emails that have been leaked there's been tons of different stuff I'm not entirely sure which spark was lit first this is what I read in the ARS technica article there's other stuff that I've read who knows anyway it got exposed to the public at some point and from there people started freaking the hell out and that was mostly based around meltdown that's where we got most of our information about meltdown which AMD is essentially as of right now as far as I know as far as I've seen published everywhere they're excluded from that they're fine about that and that's why there's a bunch of confusion even when you google this because there's a timeline here where the first part of the media wave was everyone responding to meltdown and saying like yeah you're gonna read articles let's say AMD is not affected it'll say that in bold but it depends when that was written yeah like the the the register article which exposed a lot of this stuff and really started exploding things like I was saying earlier specifically says Intel CPU design flaw then there's another one by the Enquirer that says Intel arm and AMD all affected by meltdown and specter security bypassing CPU design flaw in the freaking title so who knows because that one says that AMD is affected by meltdown but then almost everything else is saying that AMD isn't affected by meltdown I'm kind of going with the isn't side of things but then this is where it gets political because AMD goes ha ha ha we're not affected or everything's fine and then Intel releases super vague really confusing details like one of my favorite lines it's it's in the arse article the company's initial statement produced on Wednesday says for example these exploits do not have the potential to corrupt modify or delete data which is great because that is completely not the point and no one claimed that it did any of those things that's like there's another CNBC article somewhere in the forum linked where it's like this doesn't affect Nvidia but it's just a relevant title for all those or AMD graphics like non techie people who just bought it Nvidia stock because it was going gangbusters here yeah thank God computer stuff we're safe yeah so it's it's it's confusing for a lot of people again I highly recommend that you read these articles but we'll do our best to go through stuff but anyways that's where I started getting political because AMD is trying to sit over here and be like yes it's not us and then Intel's respond to that by being like confusing statements and then I like that AMD daddy did yeah but then Specter comes out of nowhere and now it's everybody everybody's included everyone who uses speculative processing and not even just arm Intel and AMD which is all the ones we largely know but like basically every chip maker that uses speculative everything your screen lock up your daughters and shoot your sons [Laughter] yes yeah so I'm gonna talk about what how affected is the average person here what can they do about it cuz I have heard slash read that even though the vulnerability does affect all these chips that we all have this isn't something that you can really exploit willy-nilly does it take quite a bit of work to as far as I know it takes quite a bit of work most random people are not gonna be targets for this as far as I know again this is really early on especially right now and I'm juggling a lot of different conflicting information but especially your add depth at exploiting this right now you're gonna go for the the highest knowledge sure see target's not not for Bob swarm as his battlefield for gaming PC I just can't look at that name I like it though it's pretty sweet I think that a gamer he's got a restaurant oh yeah yeah swarm oh he gets that all the time yeah yeah anyways yeah like it's it's very unlikely that your personal PC is gonna get attacked it's very unlikely to tie back to that dude calling someone an idiot in the twitch chat that your iPhone is going to get attacked but essentially all these processors are susceptible to Spectre there are updates that are coming certain programs are going to have to be recompiled or modified those things are going to happen especially for major mainline programs we can look forward to a lot of blue screens at CES you look for a lot of updates Windows updates program updates lots of different things are going to be updating this is where we're gonna tie into what different companies have done arm has released a really really nice white paper detailing how it affects their processors and all this kind of stuff which is gonna be uninteresting for almost everybody in this audience because those are for the most point not consumer level processors and what I mean by that is not consumer serviceable processors they're things like in your phone or in your IOT devices or all these other kind of things I doubt that you're running a desktop setup that has an ARM processor but you know you might be doing something weird it's possible you could plug in your phone if it's possible to exist yeah it's you could plug in your phone and use like external keyboards and do weird stuff yeah it's it's I doubt anyone watching has that setup but it is possible anyways ready for this aspect Oh let's jump let's jump there and in a quick moment so so yeah Apple is already releasing updates for iOS Mac OS and dealing with some other crazy things Microsoft is going ham the Microsoft section of this article is super long one thing that I really like that they did Microsoft has already published a PowerShell script that describes the current system protection against meltdown inspector on your computer so if you're into PowerShell if you're comfortable with that check out the ARS article it's linked in the forum link in the description if you're watching this on archive if not I've already posted in twitch chat there you go and you can check out what's going on on your own system they're releasing updates for edge internet explorer windows itself mozilla is trying to copy some of mostly lab mozilla whatever they're trying to copy some of their approaches to different things there's tons of stuff going on microsoft has already updated its Azur cloud computing platform which is awesome I would expect that Google was updated before I even heard about this Oh they've been on top of this for a long time yeah Amazon has already started rolling out patches for ec2 in terms of meltdown against specters gonna be weird for all this kind of stuff I'm mostly talking about meltdown Google's to consumer-facing operating systems Android and Chrome OS both depend on Linux kernels and that's already been being worked on as I mentioned earlier the AMD guy working on the next kernels and most and but most Android hardware and most and Android is a weird thing to think about because there's a lot of really low-end Android devices most people don't think about but is it susceptible to mount meltdown yet but that's going to change probably anyways right now it's a huge mess everything's a mess it's mostly a mess because it was leaked and when it was leaked everyone had to scramble super hard to solve it instead of trying to take their time and be very coordinated about everything and buried behind the scenes and then one day you just get a Windows Update you don't even know anything was ever wrong no instead of that everyone's freaking the hell out and trying to solve all of this at once and speaking of how this was very behind doors for a while Intel CEO sold what is it like 49 or 24 24 million dollars worth of stock right so he knew about this Google told Intel about this in the summer so the CEO knew that they were gonna have a fiasco once the public found out about this he knew the gravity of the situation and then before this became public he sold 24 million dollars worth of his stock in the company which was a majority I think a majority of this stock so that doesn't look very good no but but I think this is actually kind of click Beatty because intel says that the stock sale was unrelated to the vulnerability and came as part of a planned divestiture program and those things are things they exist the other thing is Intel stock price has only fallen about two bucks since this Fiasco kind of hit the public so that's it's not like it tanked and this is like a huge insider trading thing granted $2 like with the number of shares outstanding it's still like millions of dollars going you're mostly going from Intel stock right now so it is look it is huge but I think this is a little click bTW it's it it really depends I'm sure there's gonna be legal oversight into this because like man if if that was planned without insider trading and this was just routine whatever the timing on that yeah oh like you couldn't be worse in the last huge amount of years it could could not be worse timing so it could be an unfortunate coincidence I think people claiming that it's insider are you can't really hammer on them too hard because there's a lot of things a lot of red lights going off in terms of timing in terms of how much it was twenty four million dollars is quite a bit of money I also read this is why this is so confusing I read a number that was over 40 but like I'm not even saying it's right because I just read that like well that actually if this program it could be multiple phases so that was the number that went out recently in December so it could be over 40 like since summer since he's known maybe sure yeah I don't know yeah it's a mess but potentially looking into his legal ramifications for what that might potentially end up being in terms of insider trading or not and I'm sure if it was planned he has tons of documentation for it and if it goes back before this bug was released to them he's going to be fine if it doesn't that's gonna that's gonna be a little bit was planning is fine you're probably not gonna hear about it because no one's gonna click on that article yeah it just it's gonna be boring it's not a story it'll be too boring to bring up on weigh in show you know it's not boring and getting sued over this ball they're super hard yeah there are multiple lawsuits about one quick second before we go forward this article is posted by SC to Mitch on the forum the previous one was found by James and the big hole entire thread the source that we have for that is Doctor Who 1975 on the forum he's getting the credit but there actually are like six I'm sure there's a lot and I'm sure there's gonna continue to be more thank you to everybody who's been posting about this stuff and that's not to say the duplicate threads there's just so many yeah there's there's and and there's conflicting ones and there's ones that grow on otherwise our forums happening peut place if you don't go there you shoes yeah its key yeah the people who are suing intel do you think so here's the grounds of at least one of them okay the lawsuit this lawsuit particular I think it was the familiar the first one Garcia the Intel Corporation filed on Wednesday January third the suits plaintiffs a plaintiffs allege that the computer chips containing the fatal security flaw well there's a lot of apps here they violate California and Tennessee law specifically the plaintiff spring claims for breach of warranty and violations of consumer protection statutes alleging that Intel's selling of computer chips with this fatal security flaw mislead consumers about the performance and reliability of the computer's operating with this hardware um my first thought like they have a quote here saying that they look forward to holding Intel responsible for exposing millions of Americans to a necessary data and security risks our data risks data security risk that sounds noble it's like yeah stick him break him over the coals like someone's fighting the good fight for us but my first thought actually when I read this was like I think these people might be those like professional sewers yeah there's also constantly security issues with this type of stuff it's just usually handled it's usually much smaller and it's usually handled much more quietly like like if you could sue Microsoft for having a security vulnerability in Windows Microsoft would be gone it's just it's obviously because of the scale yes scale is why this is a big headline and a big deal skills hand man to a bull yeah someone said it's usually handed by the NSA I have no freaking idea someone said in the chat he sold them shortly before ime vulnerabilities became public in November yeah that's not what we were talking about though if it was planned far beforehand if if if he comes in one day and board of director guys in his or his financial advisors or whatever the heck I don't know I'm not into this kind of money or like hey we should downscale our stock whatever that thing that you said it's not gonna happen the next day it would be planned on paper for a while it's he's moving a huge amount of stock it's gonna happen over time yeah anyways that's about it for that that's we did it I hope we did it again there's a huge amount of information if we actually wanted to go over every single little tiny bit of it it would take us the entire show and more if you do want to know more and if you're into computers and hardware this is super interesting I would highly recommend you read more come up with your own opinions about it all that kind of stuff check out the links that will be in the forum dock thing that i'll be posting that'll be in the description on youtube and yeah good idea on youtube and soundcloud and there we go 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CSUN music publishing yeah they've got Tom Petty Neil Young and rage against the machines Tom Morello and many more so that's some pretty major names last summer Spotify faced a suggested 43 million dollar settlement which is still yet to be approved in court and they also agreed to a 30 million dollar settlement with national music publishers association and MPA for unpaid royalties in 2016 so they're just getting stomped got a license that content bro yeah speaking of music streaming rumor rumor has it that YouTube a grown YouTube is gonna launch a music streaming surface why you might ask since Google Play services already heard Google play music already exists we don't know this would actually be the alphabet the parent company of Google and YouTube this will be their third attempt at at a music service actually because Google Play Music launched in 2011 and to my estimation is doing just fine but on top of that I use it they had something called yeah I just switched to it from Spotify actually and I am digging that algorithm it's pretty good course the algorithms off yeah of course why did you think that someone likes pot if I could beat Google who owns YouTube YouTube by the way being the second largest search engine in the world is better than Bing YouTube's search engines it's huge their their algorithm for what to play next it keeps you on YouTube for hours doing not what yeah so obviously their music algorithm is great you can search a song and it'll just go for the rest tonight it's awesome Oh someone said could play music streaming service is not supported my company that pisses me off a huge amount about YouTube red oh my goodness I want to watch I think it's called minefield yeah it's on YouTube red I can't do the thing yeah they want you to that's the teaser they give you one episode to watch and then you got a YouTube reddit I think I might like subscribe to Emperor Lee while we're in Vegas and just try to like binge them you know I have time yeah yeah if you have time to watch that then that gives me a nobody no I don't let's go back every time that I go to see yes I'm like oh I'm gonna do all these things I'm gonna bring my personal camera I'm gonna take cool I'm gonna do all this kind of cool of extra stuff on the side and then it's like nope you work from like 8 to like 3 and then you sleep for a few hours and then you get back up and keep going I'm really hoping just to eat meals that's all what I want to go to Vegas and actually be able to hit at least one buffet you know probably average one or two a day yeah okay meals yeah yeah I want to just have to eat that spar Oh Pizza that's in the convention center yeah there is okay there's some hidden spots in the Convention Center on four to your ways yeah don't tell everyone hidden that's a good cause so back to the chronology out of play came out in 2011 I think that I had never heard of called YouTube music key came along in 2014 which gave subscribers ad free music videos which is awesome because obviously a ton of awesome music and remixes and everything there on YouTube but you hit play you try to put that on a party and then ads interrupt it and you look like a dork but then YouTube music he kind of just turned into YouTube red in 2016 yeah which expands to letting you watch any video without advertising and now it's just kind of like its own thing so they keep just changing stuff in super weird ways this service this alleged rumored service is internally referred to as remix okay it's gonna have on-demand elements like a regular like a Spotify but it's also gonna have some YouTube elements maybe like some video clips maybe some lyrics on screen that'd be nice so you can already do YouTube music videos through google play music but alright alright I I don't know I think part of this might come from the supply side apparently some of the creators whose music is getting listened to through YouTube they don't feel like they're getting compensated as as fairly as they would be on dedicated music streaming services like Google Play Music or on Spotify so it might be like a money thing okay they put it on there [Laughter] I don't know I don't know yeah that's for deploying this thing warner music group is already on board they're one of the big three yeah the music and the other two of the three already in talks with YouTube that includes the Sony Music Entertainment and Universal Music Group they're also talking to Merlin a consortium source of independent labels so hopefully they'll have a good spread on content yeah I like I don't know it'll probably be good I it seems weird because it seems like alphabet is now creating things to compete against themselves yeah this is like a hangouts a load yeah yeah that's a good call so maybe something weird for them it's because there's they're so federated that they don't talk and they step on each other all the time yeah anyways going back to the Google Play Music thing one of my favorite things about it is just how creepy it is you know it'll pull in a lot of data which is unsurprising because it's Google so it'll like you know when you're at the gym yeah yeah you can see that you can turn on notifications location notifications like I see you're in the border lineup I'm gonna play gangster rap to me yeah I don't know it's it's it's interesting every once in a while I'll just jump into the different playlists that it recommends for me to try to see where it's trying to take me and sometimes you know it'll go off in totally a weird direction I'm like I don't like any of this stuff but often it's pretty good I've been happy with it because when I had two problems with Spotify the first was the discover playlist was just totally like and stuff I didn't listen to it all and the the second was now maybe you can do this on certain services with Spotify but I usually use this with my TV and my Google home and what I want to do is I have a song on this on in my head and I'm like I want to play this song and then that's all I want to do and after that I wanted to just go forever playing related music and Google Play Music is wicked app that's very good at that not only will it play other songs that you'll like they might not even be from bands you know of yeah I start with a Nine Inch Nails song the other day Nine Inch Nails die hard the next ten songs were for bands I never heard of it I didn't skip a single one they're so sweet nice actually really like doing that sometimes yeah that's wicked if you try to do this on Spotify guess what the second song will be the second song would be the same song again because instead of playing the song you search for and then a bunch of related songs it will play all the search results so it'll be like so you try to put on so be like that same song or like remixed by someone else try to yeah you try to put on stairway to heaven you get server to heaven then you get live then you get cut that's like yes yes Spotify this is what I wanted no one's ever wanted this I'm gonna hopefully troll at least one person ok Google Play that hipster song with the whistling ok so that's in one of their you jerk did it work no no dang oh I should have said with Google Play Music so sometimes it gets confused if you don't include that I don't know why but because you guys in a different default music player yeah yeah so if you have to installed it might have to like ask or whatever but you got me it did it yes some people got ok now let it keep going you can even mute it and leave it off on the side or whatever but let it keep going it does a pretty good job and it doesn't continue to play whist or whistle songs or what do you mean that good job but it continues to play hipstery kind of songs but that actually sound kind of similar and fun with the same tonality and all the other things it does it does a pretty good job I ended up already cancelled some people like no that's good someone actually said it didn't recognize the voice yeah yeah I've got that recently someone tried to troll me and then Google was like that doesn't sound like James yeah don't friend even trying to impersonate my voice couldn't get into my phone using that's not surprising yeah yeah I know but it's just it's it's interesting it did a pretty good job I would love to hear three devices are some guy said three devices are playing that song of my house right now when I did the there's a previous rancher where I did a similar command with some weird Russian song that goes boom yes yes yeah people kept tweeting me like man it was it was 1:00 a.m. my whole family is awake now yeah it's pretty bad we're gonna we put a lockdown on that recently okay so we're yeah maybe maybe that was bad do that on purpose I did it's the accidental ones outpour hey there's actually an Amazon echo topic here we can go right into sure so this has to do with Amazon trying to monetize and and place ad units into echo devices so there's a thread on the forum by man keys who actually pretty much supplied a lot of almost all of the threads today Thank You Man key thank you very much however I kind of think that your bank your title for this is fake news because ooh as far as I read it's not the case that your Amazon echo is going to be reading out ads to you that would just be so brutal this as far as I've seen I don't think that's what they're trying to do but what they are trying to do is have brands be like the sponsored search results so just like when you google something if you google new truck there's gonna be a for data at the top of your search results page right but now we're talking about voice so there's no page just so there's gonna be a suggested product so if you ask like there's an example here that says if you ask a LAX a because we're not trying to trigger the local commands anymore good idea yeah to add an item to your shopping cart it will suggest you buy a particular brand so I think that means like a LAX a can you add some toothpastes it's my shopping cart and it would be like okay I can look for a brand like Colgate would you like that and if you're like no it can find some other stuff but the default matters does a lot of people are gonna be like yeah instead of being like no actually I would like Sensodyne complete yes [Laughter] so yeah it's that is really intriguing problematic yeah so apparently it might suggest it based on your previous purchasing decisions which is not that bad so that would be a situation like hey al exa I would like some surface cleaner and they know that you bought a Clorox Clorox product in the past so they'll say okay do you want Clorox pine-sol that kind of makes sense it's gonna keep people in a little bubble which is maybe not great mm-hmm but if you're just trying to order something with a voice command you're probably not trying to shop around you're probably just trying to stay within your bubble you probably just want the transaction done faster so that's maybe not a bad thing I'd be interested in hearing what other people have opinions in terms of that if I'm making a purchasing decision that I'm even remotely unsure of I always yes search this is probably for your second time exactly Yeah right so and and it says that it's going to suggest things based on what people have previously buy so if you've already bought one of these and you're like hey I need some toothpaste and you've been buying the same toothpaste for freaking ever and it's like hey do you want the same toothpaste that you've been buying for freaking ever you'll just say yes and well that's what we want but now we're talking about that not happen because of sponsored posts yeah do you want the thing you've always been getting or do you want this new featured product that like maybe sucks but they paid money so that's what there's gonna be the default yeah interesting it would be cool if they had a voice command for like no I'd like the usual the huge you know what I mean yeah if you're you know at a restaurant they might know what you want like the dude at mucho burrito knows my people at Subway over here they know me too yeah I took them like six months I have a very simple order I get everything for the veggies like everything yeah it's like they have two decisions anyway they're on it now question I think this is interesting and I don't know I think there's a if you're a glass-half-full person or a glass half-empty person you might have two answers here okay is it likely that Google will also seek to monetize and similar ways I will have their the main advertiser in this space right but is it antithetical to Google's mission statement or corporate culture be given that they're coming from a place where they're taking the world's information and putting down onto one search result page they're giving you options it's democratic it's supposed to be based on like the link juice of the internet you know the democracy the population popularity contest of the Internet when you get into voice you only get one answer so does Google do the same thing amazon's doing or do they never do that I suspect they will Green yeah paid advertising is Google's whole thing I would say what I this this is just making me think like we need more competition for Amazon because like with Google situation what is it going to suggest you buy can you even Auto buy things through voice with Guk Walmart they have a partnership with Walmart yeah well I just like it's it's the same situation with Amazon where it's just some like giant massive company eating everything up this is gonna take more purchasing from other random companies I don't know Alibaba is coming soon yeah of here yeah the usability about Alibaba is not there compared to Amazon you know has its own shop Express yeah come on it's not there I mean like on the same scale in terms of usability trust like if something is a prime product on Amazon if it's shipped by Amazon it's a prime product it's uh it's highly likely news that you're gonna get it on time that you're gonna be able to have an easy time with returns and warranty and all that other kind of stuff I don't know it's it it shelters you like most normal stores do and a lot of online situations don't do that properly and they're shipping stocks and stuff like I understand why Amazon's where they're at but they need better competition one more well we got a Duflo place let's do floatplane and one more I'm gonna I don't even know if I can maybe you can find me in the club we don't call it that anymore it's still not I don't know if we're gonna be able to show well either way screen sharing is not happy right now but full plane has a bunch of really cool stuff on it at the moment there's even one thing that doesn't happen that much there's a poll ladies there's a discussion poll asking you guys how you guys want us to share CES content on Flo plain because there's a few different good question usually we don't care what you think they'll not working so we will not be able to screen share oh I bet you I know why it's not working and I could fix it if I had more time but I don't that's okay there's yeah there's a poll asking how you guys want us to share content and essentially the decision was was something like YouTube we have to timeout our releases or YouTube's algorithm is gonna be like no screw you guys and they're already they're already gonna do that a little bit because of just the nature of how rapid-fire we have to do CES content but we're gonna do our best to spread it out and make the YouTube robot happy but with Flo plain whatever it doesn't matter we don't have to fight any weird algorithm so you guys have so far decided posted in the main section and just fire ladder at fire hell let her go so right when it's ready we're just gonna post it up you guys gonna get the content a little bit faster it's not gonna be the one-week window that it normally is because that would be terrible but it is gonna be a little bit faster in general we're gonna give it up to you guys right away it's gonna be good you can look like a Twitter magician yeah you're gonna be in the know it's gonna be awesome on here regardless outside of the pool there is a tech wiki for why is windows display scaling so bad I'm excited for that I know a fair amount about it because I did the surface studio review and there's a lot of really interesting information in that as to why the screen is the resolution and aspect ratio and stuff that it is it seems to me like a topic that's like yeah it sucks but it has to be this way yeah like you just haven't thought about it as hard as the engineers it sucks we reason there's the 1 + 5 t review now in white if you haven't seen the for that it's been everywhere so I'd be surprised there's a flow plane exclusive behind the scene from right before Christmas that just got released so I don't know I think release now but I will not spoil so the behind the scenes thing I know some people are salty that we don't release this in other places but YouTube would destroy our search ability if we did that because most people don't care about these things I think they're awesome and the people that do care about them are pretty hardcore about it but anyways there's the 13 GPUs in one PC mining adventure part 2 this is a very large departure from the kind of amateur hour mining adventure part one just you know you know there was some comments they were accurate we're just know what by but we're moving forward part 2 strong return part 3 is gonna be even stronger of a return so we're coming at you with some really interesting mining adventure videos they're coming PCI Express 4.0 as fast as possible John back at it again with the epic videos and LTT hand-made there's an LTV video of a handmade portable arcade box not that thing is so et handmade one that's made by Kerry 42 as far as I know check it out super cool and there's also some like extra footage from the chiller resurrection which is super cool so if you were into that there's extra footage the untold story of the Chile resurrection again stuff that if we threw this on YouTube people wouldn't care as much it would hurt the channel so we're just throwing it on flow plane for the super-hard course and that's it we're done moving on to now this weekend there's gonna be another keyboard video Oh Janey keyboard video us I think we almost did every one of them is ending here okay we have another one yeah I think so this is a little simple guy yeah sure let's just do that I'm surprisingly if you think about it 2017 was the biggest year ever for electric car sales wow I'm super surprised actually tell me more there was a time in like in the thirty yes like before the Model T we're electric cars actually where the main had the most market share above combustion engines but since then this is the biggest year ever someone asked about the dust video I'm gonna just say this right now the dust video is gonna happen I'm gonna be in it Linus is gonna be in it there's possibly other people that'll be in it it's possibly not I'm not stand where you're going with that but no it's the dust computers they're up in the corner I'm not gonna be in it guys you should just you should just walk through the screen at some point hey yeah the glass it's gonna happen we haven't filmed it yet means it's not gonna be filmed too at least after CES so it's gonna be at least another week until it's filmed but it's gonna happen eventually anyways let me Chuck some numbers at you here yeah December marks the 27th twenty seventh month of consecutive sales gains for plug-in vehicles meaning v's so in 2017 there was nearly 200,000 V's sold in the u.s. one hundred ninety nine thousand eight hundred twenty six this compares to 100 thousand 158642 what is that like a 30% increase pretty decent so if you break that down by the top five Browns that were sold the top Tesla Model S was the number one seller at 27 thousand sixty next in line Chevy Volt Chevy bolt the electric version at twenty-three thousand two hundred ninety seven next and I'm back to Tesla it was the Model X 21 over 21,000 low sold and then what was that you're like whoa Lex no no Frank the fourth one was the Prius Prius prime from Toyota over twenty thousand almost 21,000 sold and everyone wants to know how many Tesla Model 3 s got delivered in 2017 and it looks like it was about two thousand about two grand they're doing what a thousand a week now which is less than a previous promise that they'd be doing five thousand week by the end of year they're now hoping to hit five thousand a week by this summer in terms of production estimations that's pretty standard from what we've been able to expect so far is there's the estimation they won't hit it but we'll do pretty darn good and that's cool because they'll figure it out eventually there you go someone said in chat stream Labs is releasing their own kind of version of OBS cuz OBS is open source that is a thing I'm gonna be screwing with out on my personal stream I believe Colton is as well but I don't know if I'll end up using it we'll see that's another interesting news bit though because if your industry mning it streamlines a lot of haha get it streamlines a lot of different stuff which is cool and I think we will see you guys at CES yes we have so far never missed a wine show at CES so theoretically there will be a LAN show at CES but every single year it's super random how it works is super random who's on it is super random where we are is super random what time it starts not that that's different from normal but it's pretty random be pretty cool if we get it from a plane like here we have Wi-Fi on the plane B that'd be dope you might even be able to get by with like a super Crapo resolution if we get like everyone else on the plane to not use Wi-Fi you may be able to get by with a super terrible resolution if you think sitting beside a baby on a plane sighs wait till you're beside two podcasters I think it would just get rejected from twitch though because the latency hmm because like I connected to a game while I was on a plane just to check out my latency and it was like quite a few seconds between input and what actually happened we can always do another pre-recorded one like this one was oh why no joking and joking look it says Friday January 5th right there Oh JK oh the joke I gotta go man anyway I'll see I'll see you guys see us video see us when show next week see you later good bye huh