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and we'll be beginning our tour of the finally finished mineral oil submersion cooled PC with some inside the oil shots courtesy of the Sony action cam how did we get a waterproof camera inside our PC that I can't really tell you but what I can tell you is a bit about the camera itself it supports recording it up to 1080p 60fps 720p 120 FPS with Sony's steady shot image stabilization it features a zeiss hundred and 70 degree altra wide-angle lens and most importantly for us the one we picked up this morning comes with a waterproof housing that appears to be oil proof at least over the very very short term obviously that's not really what it's made for it's more for like crazy extreme action shots like this one that we borrowed from Sony's channel which you can check out by clicking the annotation right there but that isn't to say that PC stuff is an extreme and this my friends is about as extreme as it gets here she is looking so shiny thanks to the constantly cleaning properties of the mineral oil and weighing in at a massive 75 pounds mine and Luke's love child Slick jr. the hardware specs for our mineral oil cooled machine are as follows making it one of the fastest fully submerged gaming machines ever built we've got a core i7 59 60 x8 core processor overclocked to 4.5 gigahertz and cooled by a thermal Wright Silver Arrow we've got 16 gigs of HyperX beast 3,000 megahertz ddr4 memory and EVGA x99 micro motherboard at the time of selecting our parts for this project the only on ATX x99 motherboard on the market an EVGA GTX 780 classified graphics card an EVGA supernova 1200 watt 80 + platinum power supply of 480 gig hyper x 3k SSD and finally the case a Puget systems micro ATX v2 aquarium case kitted out with all the fun accessories we could put in it like blue rocks for the bottom a castle and our awesome little plant oh yeah and a sunken ship building this machine was an absolute blast Luke and I did it take they're over the course of several afternoons and there were some hilarious moments some tense moments have some downright scary moments so if you guys haven't checked out parts one two and three of the build log you should do that if you're interested in how this beast was created but if you just want to know how the whole mineral oil cooling concept works and how this one performs then you're in luck because today's video is all about that at stock speeds I was really impressed with the four fans on the rear radiators running at their lowest speed the temperature of the coolant was only about eight degrees above ambient at idle and seventeen degrees above ambient with both the CPU and GPU running at full tilt yielding low temperatures under 60 degrees for both of them overclocked things got a little bit hairier my CPU is running at 4.5 gigahertz on eighth course with the GPU running at one point 267 gigahertz and in this scenario the oil heated up a lot more thanks to the dramatically higher heat output from both of these components because the heatsink for the CPU doesn't have a fan next to it to circulate oil our chip reached 88 degrees 30 degrees higher than stock speed under load but the GPU thanks to its fans peaked at only 59 degrees much much lower than air cooling and overall much quieter with only low speed fans and the pump whose noises dampened significantly by the oil producing any audible noise but I'm sure you guys still have lots of questions so I'm gonna go grab loop to help me answer them we're gonna do a little QA thing here all right so loops joining me for the Q&A section of this video I mean you guys watched us build the whole thing but we had a lot of people posting questions in the comments and we wanted to address some of the most common ones so first the way this system works in spite of being under liquid is that mineral oil is not a conductive fluid so as long as the fluid isn't conductive you're not going to run into the usual issue where an electrical short will cause the system to shut down or even be damaged so people would then ask why not distill their deionized water the problem with that is that water will pick up minerals a little metals and stuff and then make themselves conductive over time so you might get like 5-10 minutes half an hour tops out of it but then it'll short out your system over time we chose this tank instead of some random fish tank for a couple of reasons number one is that getting all the parts from one source is actually a lot more convenient and B can actually be cheaper because you're saving on shipping cost of getting it shipped to you from a dozen different places and number two is that it's specifically designed for mineral oil submersion and the walls are thicker which makes the plexi less prone to cracking from the constant heating up and cooling down now when you're choosing parts to go into the oil honestly it almost doesn't even really matter you just have to be careful what you put under it in terms of type of component not necessarily like counter graphics card go under or it can this specific graphics card go under so you can't put your optical drive under there you can't put your hard drive under there because they have mechanically moving components and that's that will actually spear that up your hard drive might work for a little bit but then the needles gonna get off it's gonna be going really slowly for one and then it will probably eventually stop working the funnel question is a fun Li one because the only reason we didn't use a funnel is because in spite of the number of times we've run into situations where we could use one we actually don't own one and DIY and one didn't occur to us at the time we didn't put the oil in first and then the components because of like fairly obviously dissipate displacement problems if you put oil in and then put all the stuff in you probably won't have the exact amount of oil you'll have too much or too little and that's not great filling the system all the way to the top might seem like a good idea on the surface and it might help with this trickling noise that we're getting right now because we couldn't put that little piece of tubing in thanks to a clearance issue with the graphics card by the way it doesn't trickle when the oil is cooler and more viscous I'm running a stress test right now but the reason that you wouldn't fill it all the way to the top is that mineral oil already creeps up surfaces and the higher you are the closer you are to the top the more it's going to creep up and start destroying your cables and anything that's plugged into the system below the problems with rubber in a system like this especially that softer kind of rubber the you might find not on this bubble machine but on some bubble machines feet so you can stick it to the prop bottom of the tank is that the mineral oil will actually eat it away and slowly make it decompose almost sending little tiny gooey fragments of the rubber all throughout your oil making it look completely gross and actually disrupting the system overall fish would be a terrible terrible idea you should be ashamed of yourself for even asking this is not water this is mineral oil fish would die instantly in it they cannot breathe mineral oil now I've seen proposals on the internet for crazy ideas where you actually have like a partition dividing the fish keeping them separate from the mineral oil but even then there are challenges fish are extremely sensitive to changes in water temperature just like we're sensitive to changes in air temperature I don't think anyone has ever pulled that off I know why don't we have a fan on the heat sink we don't have a family heat sink because we already have a lot of flow and a lot of movement in the oil from other sources and it's it actually wouldn't serve a huge purpose it might not even help that much because of the wear it would be pushing the oil so there's no actual point in having a fan there with the video card it's a little bit different it's not next to the pump it's actually right up against the edge of the aquarium so having the fans circulating oil through the heatsink will cool the heat sink in much the same way that circulating air through a heat sink will in fact quite a bit better we have radiators on the system because oil is going to be able to hold that temperature really well but it's not very good at getting rid of it so if you had a high-performance system and no radiators your temperatures just going to keep on going up until it's at unsafe levels if you have radiators on the back it can pull that oil out cool it down put it back in and it'll kind of more regulate the actual temperature the pump we're using is actually a standard PC water cooling pump it's a Swift tech MCP 3:55 nothing special about it other than that it's a nice reliable Lang made pump is there actually any actual benefit of this compared to air or water not really other the fact that it looks really freaking cool as long as you don't let any gunk get into your oil like if you had rubber opponents inside that start to deteriorate or if you had the cover not closed and some things fell into it there's no reason to clean out the oil it doesn't need to be changed like your car would now some people when they see the fan spinning really slowly start to freak out and think that all the fans are gonna die because there's way too much resistance from the oil actually the mineral oil acts as a lubricant so yeah it's a little bit harder for the fan to spin but with the lubricant there and a steady amount of voltage going to the fan not a steady amount of speed being attempted to be applied to the fan it's actually totally fine graphics card upgrade would not exactly be a fun experience not that many upgrades in here are going to be a fun experience but that's part of the experience of owning a mineral oil computer it's everything you do with it is really interesting I built mine because I wanted a really interesting computer and I knew what was gonna come with that so if you had to swap the graphics card you'd probably be the layering an area with garbage bags so that you didn't have mineral oil going all over the place taking everything out putting part of the system inside of a garbage bag for a little while taking that card out putting a new one in submerging all that back in probably getting more oil because you lost some on to the garbage bags filling it up and running the system again and then you're gonna have to deal with that other oil colored oil covered graphics card most parts of any pc component are not going to be damaged by mineral oil things like metals things like the components of printed circuit boards if anything having mineral oil over top of them especially with some nice flow through it is gonna keep the running cooler and even make them more reliable over time the only time you're gonna run into trouble is anything like cables for example which can be damaged by mineral oil and in fact made so stiff that you could break the sheathing around the outsides of say for example power supply cables once they've been sitting in mineral oil for quite some time now with thermal compound the mineral oil can kind of get down in there and eat away at the outsides of it and it might take a lot of it away over five years of running my own I didn't see all of the thermal compound room removed but especially on my graphics card when I tried to run it outside of the of the mineral computer after drying it there was enough thermal removed that I ended up frying my card so yes it does take the thermal compound away but it should be fine while you're inside the mineral oil because the components haven't been damaged by the oil there's no reason that you can't reuse them the only issue is that you're probably gonna have to let them drip dry in a nice warm place for a good few weeks before you're even gonna want to consider touching them and even once they've dripped dry for a few weeks they're always gonna have a little bit of that oily feel to them it won't hurt the functionality though so if you get it on your clothes you're just gonna need a lot of hot water and a lot of soap it's not easy to get out but it's not really a problem I don't actually know what happens if you happened to leave your shirt with mineral oil on it for a very extended period of time because I've always cleaned it fairly quickly but I've never actually had any downsides if you don't your skin it's no real problem it's just a fairly simple oil worth the mess Wow it's amazing how many of you quoted what I said when we first showcased lube sold mineral oil machine and I said something along the lines of no never ever absolutely never we are never gonna do this on our channel and having done it once I still don't think that it's worth the effort to the point where I really wanted to create a guide that you guys definitely need to follow because it's not something that I think people should really do unless they're hyper enthused about it and they're willing to go out and do the research on their own to do it because if you're not willing to put that amount of work into it you're probably not a suitable mineral oil cooled machine owner although I'll let Luke answer this question in his own words as well no that was actually a really good explanation it's it's going to take some work it is going to be tedious you're gonna have to haul this super heavy thing around sometimes it is going to take some dedication you're not gonna be able to do these really rapid upgrades that you might want to do if replacing a single Ram stick is gonna be a hell of a problem diagnosing things becomes a little bit different instead of what I commonly do is just swapping out parts until I figure out what's dead you're gonna have to spend a lot more time doing software based diagnosis just it becomes a mess but honestly it's a really cool experience you just have to make sure that you're like dedicated nothing you actually really want this because it it's tedious so this is where I have some good news and some bad news halfway through completing our build blog series on Puget micro-atx revved to mineral oil submerging cooling kit we heard from Puget that due to a patent dispute from a company that is just hardcore trolling it like if you guys are upset about this show some support to Puget because this is a really crappy thing that's going on these guys tried to do mineral oil cooled gaming machines a while back their business venture ultimately didn't succeed and now they're just patent trolling Puget to the point where this isn't a huge part of hugest business they just do it because they're enthusiasts about it so they're kind of going well shoot we can't we can't justify the costs and time associated with defending ourselves from this BS so we're gonna have to discontinue these systems unfortunately you can't buy them anymore although the cost was about a thousand dollars for a kit and all the mineral oil you needed to fill it a little less than eight hundred to a thousand dollars so yeah guys show some show some support because it's a super crappy thing that's going on but in response to the right so the good news though is that we're actually getting the rest of puget inventory now don't freak out it's only about four units of the mini ITX and micro ATX we're getting the rest of their inventory to give away to anyone in the continental US and canada who wants to own their very own mineral oil submersion cooling but one of the last ones that puget ever produce they can't sell them anymore so they're giving them to us to give to you guys you guys are gonna want to go to the link in the video description to get the full details but I will say this much guys we're gonna require the winners to send us a copy of their invoice for purchasing the mineral oil to put into it we're not looking to just ship these two guys who aren't going to use them we want people to really get use out of them this is a really cool project but if you're not that into it just don't enter the giveaway because we want people who are really excited about building a mineral oil cooled machine to to get their hands on these so I think that's pretty much it guys thanks for watching like this video if you liked it just like it if you just liked it a comment if your feelings are more complicated than this as always there's links in the video description to our sponsors as well as the other thing that we do what else do we do absolutely right the amazon link t-shirts and new office campaign why isn't it working and also our other channel where we what have you done it didn't I swear to god I'm not even pressing yours just because it's not working yet this is gonna suck we're also gonna have a link to our channel super fun where you can find out why Luke and I are wearing shot colors that were you're putting the vibrate one and also it's not 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