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I'm doing it I'm doing it for love it's window time or rather it was van Showtime um a little while ago but we ran into an issue kid a guy can I get that that tangle of fans actually Alex do you mind yeah so just to give you guys some idea of what sort of problem we were dealing with before the show here well this is part of it and Alex probably has some other parts of it but not on hand because he's actually still working on the video that we're all yeah oh that's good that's good yep yeah we got there is going to be there's gonna be some some definite you know school of hard knocks engineering going on in this video right here so that should be pretty good but we've got a great show for you guys today I think as you may or may not have noticed I have what's this hi everybody oh I see I don't understand the politically correct culture these days are we even allowed to do that yeah like I don't know is that like and like is that Italian or like like are you allowed to it's doctor Nick yeah he's our minority because there's only one doctor Nick yeah so I don't know if you're allowed to do that no I was no that's canon you can do that no I don't know I was recently informed that you're not allowed to say max is a member of a Facebook group where you're not allowed to say y'all because it's cultural appropriation and I was kind of sitting here going but that's just a word isn't it just a appropriating whom um not who you'd think is all is all I'm really gonna get into but yeah I just thought what to call the conjunction yeah yeah I thought it was just you all it is yeah I thought yes depends who started it but I think the people who started it are part of an imperialist ik capitalistic society it's fair game because that society is grounded and formed around appropriation that's all they do hmm all we do all right well we've got a bunch of great optics for you guys today intel launches Zeon w-4 workstations further separating their servers Aeon products from their core i7 core i9 and core I'd give whatever else and oo also pentium consumer products and rising thread Ripper gets rounded out with the final chip the 1900 X it has arrived yeah I don't think anyone was really waiting for it but well we'll talk about that in more depth later AMD is rumored to be losing $100 or more on every Vegas 64 they sell which would be pretty bananas if true although I have no guarantee whatsoever that it actually is and what else we got here and Linus's phone number and email are probably on the internet now as there's been a huge Instagram reach of six million users data oh yeah great I'm glad we're covering that amen News's news this is unbiased objective journalism are you looking into it right now aren't you no take this that's Luke sitting on the couch in the intro thank yous no that's me on the right yeah right yeah the right wait what perfect alright so for those of you who aren't familiar this is James he's one of the new writers I don't even know if it's fair to call you guys new anymore have you been here what like six months almost something like that I don't know five five it's February February yeah it's like six months yeah that's Frankie Thank You Colton okay crazy yeah I mean people are apparently throwing you're throwing things out there so James is actually the one who prepares the land show document for us every week and has been doing so for about the last the entire time yeah pretty much since it started yeah so the first week he did it it kind of sucked that's not true and then the second week it was like pretty decent and since then I mean honestly it's been kind of hard to tell the difference which either means that James is a rock star or means that Colton was just frankly never any better at this than some guy who started it about two weeks ago bit of both um alright so first topic here is the red ripper I know it wouldn't be it wouldn't be when show I wish I could have all the thread reparation II what I have to work with here he gets touch screens oh yeah poor you 2016 sucks a 2016 LG Graham and who has the 2017 one me it's a way gray near because that is the way of the world that's the curl of the burl big dog big dog and then table scraps dog huh ah oh that's how it's gonna be alright so the original topic here was posted on the forum by Ono tech and basically I don't know I don't even know I don't get it how is this even newsworthy why is this even in here you can explain the red ripper and the title dude that's news am i right unfortunately yes yes thread Ripper related his news but this is askew that beyond a very limited use-case frankly I don't really understand so the thread Ripper 1900 X has the same 64 PCIe lanes as the other thread Ripper skews it's got the same LGA whatever it is TR for socket as the other thread Ripper skews it's got a nice you know high base clock 3.8 versus 3.6 gigahertz for the 1800 X which is the lower clock actually very similar version of kind of the same processor because this is only an eight core chip so it's more comparable to the 1800 X in terms of its performance than it is to its bigger brothers the 1920 X in the 1950 X right to spin it another way it basically almost is the 1900 X except with a slightly higher base clock I mean the 1800 XC yeah the 1900 X is almost like the 1800 X except it has a higher base clock and it basically grants you access to all the X 399 goodies for 50 bucks more so for 50 bucks more you get the privilege of buying a more expensive motherboard right quite a bit more expensive model yeah a lot more expensive motherboard not to mention that now you can go buy quad channel memory quad channel memory that will probably never be necessary for any kind of reasonable workload for an eight-core processor now to be clear I can come up with a thanks bixby I don't know what prompted Bixby to start yakking over there now to be clear there are a couple workloads I can think of for this so for example a soos released what was it I think a nineteen PCIe slot motherboard I'm gonna I'm gonna have to double check this it might not have been nineteen yeah here it is a soos debuts the b250 expert mining aetherium motherboard with 19 PCIe slots so with a thread ripper chip you could theoretically do like what like 60 of so you could literally just cover like an e ATX motherboard in PCIe 1x slots and and power adapters apparently I didn't even realize this it's not just graphics cards it is also thousand watt plus power supplies that are running into huge supply issues right now is talking to a system was that right yeah I was down at Puget systems yesterday as some of you guys are probably aware if you saw the stream and they're like yeah it's like actually a problem we're having a hard time getting thousand watt power supplies which may also explain that you go why Corsair didn't want to send us their ax 1500 I for that build that we're doing because they can probably turn around and sell that thing like billy-o yeah but what's worth more to them the retail price of that power supply or whatever exposure we hope well I don't know that's like 400 plus dollar power supplies so it's it's pretty it's pretty significant yeah but the in the ad inventory on our channel is worth more than $4 yeah maybe um the one 1000 watt power supply that is no problem for us to get is the thousand dollar one though that puppy 12-under watts is it 1200 watts what it was I thought it was a thousand watt no do you want to talk about the build that you have coming up kind of but it's kind of secret - no I don't think it's oh okay we don't use an embargoed case yes okay uses an embargoed case but I know you guys you got you guys saw you know some of the low end stuff that we're always focused on okay and you guys were like Linus you know why are you guys always doing you know all the low end stuff all the time I want something that I can afford I want to see a $6,000 thread Ripper build and James is here to answer the call yes I am it's pretty badass it's got 128 gigabytes of RAM which I didn't even know that it has eight dims but wait more importantly they're all RGB you see this is what I have to deal with around here I'm no longer even in control of this that's just like it doesn't just hit icebergs it like it like calls to the iceberg you got ice crews working on the ship it takes like a big hook and it kind of goes be at beaches and and then it pulls them in and Kapow you don't even know yet six months and this is only the tip of the iceberg okay and I can't take full credit for all the terrible puns that have been in the that have been in the videos recently either as you guys can clearly clearly see lift I think that we've hit peak pun we're all the way down now they've all been used like in the first bill got I did which was the RGB bill guide yeah every every paragraph was a pun cuz you could talk about the chassis or the case and save in this case but now that's been done yeah but I okay yeah but that was your first time doing it I had already done it many many times should we just keep them coming just ah they're always fresh every time I think we I think we do keep them coming because you know if you do that then they'll always be in a state of ecstasy or cringe I'll admit it took me longer to get that Vanisher divide to look um alright so why don't we get back to the 1900 X so basically the point of this chip is if you need quad-core wait okay you need quad-channel memory and you need a ton of PCIe lanes but you don't want a hike or count processor or maybe and this is the pitch that I've heard for something like a 77 40 X on the intel side of things maybe you want to invest in a platform that has a greater has greater opportunities for upgrading in the future and you just don't have the money to spend right now but so would that be someone who's maybe they're getting this for professional use case but it's still their side business they haven't jumped in fully because this is we're talking about a high ceiling here yes we're talking you could go all the way from 8 to 16 or you know word on the street is that AMD would love to deliver even more course than that in their gaming lineup and it wouldn't be that much of a stretch because to my knowledge the tr4 socket is not that different from the server socket so there's already 32 core processors there have really how much more of a challenge is it for them to deliver a 32 core on the desktop assuming that we could figure out how to cool the bloody thing which is actually maybe we'll talk about that in a little bit more depth later that's a video that Anthony's been working on like a taming the Beast is air cooling or water cooling a better answer for these super high wattage new CPUs like thread Ripper and the answer may surprise you ooh I'm hoping this is going to be a callback to the dua of quantum computing it's gonna be up there oh right yeah it's like we have to pull back even to cool of 32 core thread Ripper it's gotta be superconductors and you know what I've already filmed it so it's far too late and that's not in it so you'll just have to sit and be sad all right let's move on to the quote unquote frickin huge Instagram breach apparently I'm screwed I haven't read this are yet it was posted by oli on the forum the original article here is from ARS technica but maybe James would like to explain exactly how I am screwed because of this I'm not sure you're screwed but it's only ten dollars this us to find out how screwed you are so what happened was 3/8 it started off as a bug what a value that's what sure that's what your privacy is worth so what what started off as a bug in or an exploit available from Instagram got totally scaled up by some industrious hacker basically there was a bug some kind of some kind of a data security research firm thought that this bug could not be exploited in an automatic automated way but then this hacker who ended up contacting ARS technica did manage to automate it so that he was able to scrape this giant database of instagrams 700 million users at a rate of what is it a million a million accounts per hour a million accounts per hour so he managed to get 6 million accounts into a database then you put that database online in a query Herbal website it's 10 bucks a query you can type in an Instagram handle and get either a phone number an email or both Wow so this person contacted ARS technica and actually provided them with a 10,000 record example spreadsheet of the type of data that he had scraped and then they had some statistics from that spreadsheet so I think it was 4,000 out of the 10,000 had both emails and phone numbers Wow and then the remaining 6,000 had mixed and then if you were looking at that spreadsheet based on the user names they found out that they were like verified actual accounts not just BOTS or whatever and they also found out that looking at the emails and the phone numbers just based on area codes and stuff it seemed like the personal data matched the accounts and it looks real interesting so to be clear not everyone got breached so I mean even at a rate of a million accounts an hour it would have taken almost two weeks to download the entire 700 million user records but it's still a significant problem and I mean another thing is I guess that realistically there's not 700 million active users so no actually if you look at graphs of users yeah host ratio like the vast majority of Instagram accounts have never posted right they're just created so probably you're okay but also maybe you're super not okay and depends if there's any logic in the scrape and how it targeted people so the biggest risk here is that some for some exposed people it's their email and their phone that have been exposed and didn't you get hacked one time it's a someone had your email and phone it was a little more complicated than that but yes it's it is possible if you have someone's phone number and you know who their carrier is and you can manage to convince their carrier that you are that person it's possible to get a sim issued in that number and then you can use that phone to break into other county sector that are using two-factor authentication with the phone number as a backup so good luck everyone and let's go ahead and move on to our next topic Amazon turns thousands of twitch streamers that's us right now hey which is why we can't show you anything oh no nope can't show you that into product pitch men ladies as it worked original article here is from Bloomberg you know I like the Bloomberg I always like to throw a couple Bloomberg's in there sure that's fine I like it so Spencer Soper says amazon.com Inc will pay commission to gamers artists chefs and others in on it's twitch interactive video streaming service for selling products to their fans through its retail site I mean to be clear it's not like Amazon wasn't already paying twitch streamers to sell products to the people who were viewing I mean it's no secret that Linus Media Group is a member of the Amazon Associates affiliate program and anyone who's of the program if someone were to buy a product through their affiliate link they would get a commission I mean that's something that legally you have to disclose the only thing that's lying here yes and they're calling this program the gear on Amazon the only that's new is that they've integrated these affiliate links and widgets right on to streamers pages so I assumingly we could at some point just point down and say yeah check with these headphones in this little picture right here and I think the Commission's are probably the same it says you can get a commission of up to 10% and I think most affiliates can get that provided you sell enough volume but the lower end is usually four percent yeah at the low end it's usually about four percent higher and it depends on the category as well so some categories and I believe this is posted publicly so I don't feel you can just google anyone can join an Amazon affiliate program you scroll down to the bottom of Amazon there's like a become a partner or something linked on the bottom you can do this with Etsy and affiliate - program yeah it looks like you don't have to be logged in or anything like that so like digital services for example some of them are actually not percentage based like if you sign someone up for prime then you get just a fixed bounty sometimes they'll do bonuses but yeah here we go so some hope Amazon giftcards don't get anything anymore apparently neither just wine that's a fine thing that because I would think there's enough margin and alcohol that you could afford to a little British turn of phrase I did there hmm funny thing that oh wow I did yeah well thank you video games and game consoles are a 1% Commission Lucy that's gonna be harsh for this the streamers for sure yep televisions 2% PC components used to be closer to like three and a half to four and now they are two and a half percent toys or three so basically the stuff gets easy to sell where there's like so many like gaming sites and gaming blogs and Game streamers where they just really I guess feel like they don't have to work that hard at it really low commission rates but then you move up into digital music physical music handmade things groceries digital videos 5% you move all the way up to like headphones musical instruments business and industrial supplies well now you're talking 6% and you can get up to 10% for men's and kids private label digital video games luxury Beauty Amazon coins and Amazon fashion women are there any twitch streamers in like the beauty cosmetic space like they're on YouTube um you know what to be perfectly honest with you I have never watched a twitch stream outside of tuning into Luke's with like it muted to kind of talk to his chat I don't really I don't really get it okay yeah well I'm old and stuff so like I'm like I'm like shaking my cane on the front porch like old man style like my kids are gonna be like yeah I watch you know whatever gamer Tron person and I'm gonna be like go outside go kick a ball like did go go go just do anything anything but that but I'm gonna be wrong and those people are gonna be like the the superstars of that generation and it's and it's I'm gonna be old and I accept that so there you go at least you're still thing going to be old yeah I'm 31 now I feel pretty old alright so let's have a look at our next topic here oh yeah wait did we go through like what's different about it really apparently the Commission's will be available to 22,000 twitch partners I really think it's just the widget I think the 22,000 partners yeah I just be the number of partners they have like partners is just like creators who have signed up or streamers who have signed up for the affiliate partner isn't it no it depends because they're different Joe - yeah there's different tiers of twitch partners that's something that I do know because I know that Luke even though he like doesn't are at times hasn't met like certain partner requirements as a partner and then like I think we are even though we definitely don't meet the partner requirement so like us yeah so it's a little bit complicated all right but as far as Amazon's concerned this is kind of just their their version of YouTube you know how Amazon touches everything right mm-hmm prime is their Netflix they've got grocery now this even though this is a much much smaller version of a video platform what did it say they have 10 million viewers a day crazy but you're compared to YouTube is nothing so speaking of nothing let's say your phone had nothing on it in terms of storage this is pretty cool a SanDisk just launched their largest ever micro SD card but wait it's exactly the same size as the other ones you mean it's still micro how else would it fit in the slot come on you guys clearly we meant the capacity it's in it's the largest ever it costs 250 dollars but if you for whatever reason felt like you needed to carry around like what would that be that's like what 15 blu-rays worth of data if you need if you felt like you had a phone that was capable of playing back like I I don't even know can you do that can you play back like an MKV on a phone like I guess it's probably possible like there's VLC enough yeah I mean do they have a hardware decoding for that not sure actually Android Oreo might I know that Oreo we just added some new codecs like from Sony there was a so a proprietary Sony codec that Oreo supporting it would depend on the hardware though so it would be if the if the Adreno GPU has like hardware decoding for that quality of h26 I mean probably people are probably correcting me in twitch chat but yeah I guess there's probably no reason you couldn't play back full quality blu-rays on your phone plus a lot of phones are getting HDR now other than that it would be really stupid because honestly on a phone screen it is pretty hard to tell the difference between like a decent 720p video stream and like the highest quality that you can stream on plex let alone like a full blu-ray quality but here's the question that was on my mind when I read this line yeah I kind of thought big deal I can't they release a headline like this every month like is this just an incremental upgrade because these you know just like processing power like these things are just on up and to the right at all times yes and no I mean it has slowed down even in the time since linus media group was founded all of this stuff has slowed down significantly I like it used to be that you got a new like doubling of hard drive capacities it felt like every few months and you know in the okay so here in the time since I've been a PC enthusiast so it must have been in around 2003 2004 when you went to the store and bought like a decent sized hard drive it was a hundred and twenty gigs oh I remember the first computer that my family bought it was 30 gigs okay so in 2003 2004 like an enthusiast would run out and buy a hard drive that was anywhere from 80 to 120 gigs and you could get higher ones but they were like pretty pricey okay when Linus media group started that was 2003 that was ten years later 13 it was about three terabytes since then so that is that is what and a factor of what so times 10 times 3 so that's 30 times the size in that 10 years so since then we've gone from 3 to 12 so we've managed to 4x and it's been almost five years so think about that well I actually catfished you a little bit because the answer to my questions in the show notes because this new 400 gigabyte card is going to be the new world record holder for this format and the previous holder that they're displacing was Samsung who had 256 gigabytes yep and that's just last year but it had been a little while so that's something that you might not be factoring in and honestly I think the bigger deal for mobile storage for for flashcards is really going to be a speed increase versus just continuing to ramp up the capacity because we've got standards like shoot what's that there's a new super small card standard ID it's it's escaping me right now but we've got standards coming that are gonna perform much more similarly to a full speed SATA Drive or even a PCI Express Drive and this card sure 400 gigs but it only copies data at a hundred megabytes a second so it would actually take a really really long time to fill it up like I don't it's not like you could use your phone as like a super high speed you know external drive for your laptop when you're on the road and your video editing or something like that not at those kinds of speeds no that's bunk so I don't really understand what you're gonna be keeping on it unless it's something ridiculous like oh I need to carry my blu-ray collection with me yeah ventually this is just gonna be your you're way way way cold storage backup this is your Amazon Glacier microSD cards mic rest yeah use it yeah I got the whole business here amazing amazing amazing storage density don't mind that the cost is just completely uncompetitive with tape don't worry about that also the the incredibly complicated controller we need to access you know I mean what would that be that would be like you know a thousand micro SD cards in the space of a single tape drive cartridge is like what what controller is that because you'd basically be looking at like an incredibly complex SSD controller by that point all right what else we got for today what else is interesting but this are we touch stuff yeah sure look I normally organize the show notes with more boring things or nice things at the bottom and this is pretty close to the bottom but I feel like I'm here and I think it's kind of cool sure like the screen shot is in the show notes so we should just open it that way so basically we've been on like this walkie keyboard kick for a little money hey I just work here so I've done like three alternative keyboards we did the advantage too which is an ergonomic one then we did the safe type keyboard which is just a more obscure organ on my keyboard and now we've done the or B touch which is coming up on the on floatplane end on youtube soon as the or B touch is a keyless keyboard it's got these two domes that you move around in a coordinated fashion the process is called courting so basically there's I think eight or so different clusters of letters on the one hand and I'll point to one cluster and then with the other hand you specify which symbol in the cluster you actually want to do it sounds like a cluster to me whoo-hoo okay but beyond the actual keyboard the companies actually ported this same typing method to VR and while the keyboard is aimed at people who have low finger dexterity in VR it's actually probably just the better way to type for everybody right because you just you just gesture for which key you want to press unfortunately your link doesn't work because you link to your own inbox oh I didn't know that works I would yeah no that that's definitely not on my inbox but blob not log dude I you have the keys it's sort of go to LastPass get my password go to my email no no I can't I know I don't I don't have your LastPass information that's not how LastPass words I actually can't look at what you store in it without locking you out so I'm using it wrong I shouldn't put that in there anyway the point is everyone has everyone who's used VR has probably felt a little silly holding these kick-ass touch controllers and then using them to like laser beam a letter on a key yeah it's actually really inefficient and the worst part about it is that whenever you're pointing at a letter when you pull the trigger it like moves your hand a little bit so typing with any kind of reasonable speed is actually pretty difficult and fatiguing I mean if you're the if you liked it like Tom Cruise that and always hold 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computer some other phone if it's a device I fix it's got a guide for how to tear it apart and sometimes how to put it back together and they're also leading the charge in terms of repair it yourself culture because they not only provide the guides they also have an extensive range of replacement parts including really hard to find stuff like weird little adhesives or gaskets that are required to put a system back together and tools like yes my friends the Pro Tech tool kit it's now only 59.95 and includes their 64 bit driver kit which has pretty much every bit you could possibly need and a bunch of other cool stuff for prying picking poking anti-static King Thank You Bixby I wasn't talking to you I mess with this thing for sex what Bixby yeah no god this thing um as a noob I have found two things in particular that I like about this yeah we actually hired a noob as a writer like never built a computer before this is kind of a yeah well I was gonna kind of get to that but it's kind of a funny story from his interview I one of the questions that I asked every interviewee was tell me about some projects that you have on the go right now so Anthony one of the other writers that we hired at the same time he's like oh yeah well I've got all these like retro consoles that I'm repairing and like soldering back together Alex tells me about his like dune buggy like creation from scratch team that he participated probably shoots of potatoes up the side yeah James is like I built my own computer that's no that's not what I said I said ok well well what do you mean like building your own computer and you said actually I would consider that to be pretty basic and I was like oh ok hope I make it to the next round yeah so somehow somehow you ended up around here ok so given that perspective I was blown away by the fact that this puppy spins because then you can just hold it in one hand and as you spin it you don't have to reset your hand that's that's just amazing there's so many people face palming right now and to love the week this puppy is the spudger I actually you know what I'm gonna confess they all got cool names I can't remember which ones the spider I think it's the black pokey one I'm pretty sure that ever this is drawled I'm just gonna give it a new name right now I don't know I use this yeah this is the spudger you're gonna get us in trouble with every slideshow oh oh why do I let you come on the show by I was talking to the iFixit ladies at LTX and we were making all sorts of good names for these things this is a pokey anyway this is great for opening boxes a lot of people who work you just have not like knives on their key chains like lioness does Tyler does they unbox things all day I haven't got to that level yet cuz I'm a minimalist on my keychains I actually have a separate keychain just for my car key and the key that unlocks this office that way on the weekend I don't have to have those extra two keys that's how much I hate things being in my pocket so this thing is awesome for just opening up new box of fans love it totally worth the price of admission all right well I'm sure that most of you will find over at ifixit.com slash line at 60 bucks I'm sure most of you will find more complex things to work on with that speaking of working on complex things Alex are you done with that or you're done okay cool okay do you want to come on and join the show okay cool all right I actually get to go home diddy what time is it oh wow it's 6:00 oh well I can't make you join the show but if you want to then you can otherwise I'll just sit here and be a show all by myself yep see ya good bye alright so Alex um did you want to do they know who you are I don't know if they know here I think some of them totally here yeah alex is alex is a Toronto Blue Jays fan apparently I actually didn't watch baseball when they get into playoffs yes okay so here a typical so here a typical Canadian baseball fan yeah it's like well we've only got one team and G 182 games is a lot to watch in a year so yeah yes yeah I'd say the same about hockey but being a Toronto fan like that I wouldn't watch a game in like the past 20 years so are you a Toronto fan yeah what if the closest team but y'all is the closest team much rosy although not to mention that like anyone else is the closest team to being worthy of your fandom I mean that's a factor as well they're just for Anto I don't know I wanted to be a rebel everyone in my household is a Montreal fan and I was just like you know what no I'm being a Toronto fan and stirred things up all right well speaking of fans these are these CPUs are definitely going to need fans because they have a lot of course I've still got it baby so this is posted by Ezzy on the forum and the original art attack is a heart attack articles from over on a non tech Intel launches Xeon w CPUs for workstations so there's some good news here the good news is I guess that now on the workstation you can get support for up to 512 gigs of ECC so that's error correcting memory it goes all the way from four cores to 18 core aligned to 18 cores and the xeon w family so i guess that's cool extent so extended memory support vPro Intel's AMT standard reliability serviceability and availability features so it's good in that there's like a higher-end workstation platform but it's kind of sucky in that basically intel has gone from quite a few generations ago where LGA 775 and 771 were pretty much a little piece of tape apart and you could kind of like mod one to the other and you could pretty easily run sort of workstation chips and in mainstream boards and vice versa - now this requires an all-new chipset and we've got sort of their their Enterprise Server Zeon's we've got consumer and then we've got this in-between and there's not a lot of interchangeability in spite of the fact that there's really no compelling reason for why that would have to be physically yeah like 1366 you could just take an i7 and plop in and xeon and like it wouldn't even matter right yep in fact I mean running server grade processors in consumer motherboards is something that I have personally done like back in the day with my Opteron 165 on socket 939 the great thing about the operon 165 is that it was it was a good value because it ran at a super low clock speed but by putting it in a consumer board you could overclock the stuffing out of it and you could get great performance per dollar this is just artificially locking down the performance per dollar that's available and just you know there you go with that said I don't think there's really any I think it's like okay I guess Intel's other behavior over the last little while has made it less of a factor because it's not like anything that's not an X or a case Q is overclockable anyway and these chips are going to come in more expensive than the equivalent core I nines anyhow so there would be other than the second-hand market no compelling reason to go and buy one of these if you don't need ECC memory support when also there's not they just have is it functionally any different than i9 or they're just locking you out in many different ways for different markets no it actually really doesn't look that different so if you go ahead and have a look at the lineup here and let's go ahead and go down so here you go here's how they're differentiating it there's expert zeon scalable so this the equivalent used to be the e5 2600 so this is what we would have used for projects like seven gamers one CPU in like dual socket motherboards that kind of thing Zeon W is what would have been be five sixteen hundred and then Xeon e3 is entry so this would probably be what would have previously been like LGA 1150 eleven 5x is eons where you don't actually get like the quad channel memory or anything like that you just get ECC so avx-512 acceleration yep okay so yeah pretty much you get a for a couple four cores a couple six cores and eight to ten fourteen and an eighteen one thing I don't know is how these base frequencies and turbo frequencies compared to the core I nines and pricing is still unclear but what we can at least kind of figure out is that this looks pretty darn similar to the 7900 X and it is another four hundred and forty dollars for pretty much those you know enterprise features an ECC memory well in fairness the and you don't get overclocking anymore I'm assuming 2125 actually doesn't look that horrible yeah but why would you buy a quad core at four hundred dollars this is basically what a what how much is a seventy seven hundred seventy seven forty K right and the seventy seven forty K can be had for cheaper than that and it's overclockable and I wouldn't run out and invest in this kind of like the LGA 2066 platform for a quad-core processor that's just like kind of dumb yeah it's like not too bad if you're in a situation that you're never going to have yeah so that's kind of where we're at on that actually oh this is cool so Ian from a non tech went ahead and did a little comparison chart here so 70 that here's a comparison between the top skews on each platform so the super high end one which actually now gets a new socket so that allows it to have more course more PCIe threat up excuse me no no more PCIe lanes but far more cores up to 28 cores and 56 threads and six channel memory that one's gonna cost you anywhere from 10 to 13 thousand dollars from the price eighty one eighty and then on the sort of the high-end workstation / high end desktop platforms you're looking at two thousand dollars TBD but if i had to guess i'd probably say around three grand or 3500 you get a few more PCIe lanes so the same as the very high-end Zeon's and then you get very similar clock speeds actually a little bit more on boost a little bit less on base and a lower TDP and then more memory support and registered memory support so yeah I can I guess that's a thing why don't we move on yeah what are we still on Intel yeah core i7 8700 K benchmarks have been leaked this was posted originally on the forum by I'm not sure james forgot to forgot to put that in I wish I had gotten to this one when he was here this was posted by Raven Shrike on the forum and the original article here is from w CCF Tech goodness so this is a really really interesting chip because word on the street according to you know the leaked box art here and the leaked benchmarks here is that per core clock speed and performance is going to be pretty frickin similar to the CPU that it's replacing the 7700 K except that it's going to have six cores on what will presumably be a similarly priced mainstream motherboard and chipset platform 6 cores mainstream I'm excited Intel ran out and finally delivered us a high-end desktop platform worth writing home about and then went and made it irrelevant to the vast majority of consumers for whom 6-core is like definitely super enough only a few months later it's exciting it's a great time to be alive what do we got here what are the leak specs so it's a 3.7 gigahertz base frequency with boosts up - well the only really interesting one is 4.7 gigahertz on one core so low you think that's the only interesting one I am going to argue with you I think the 4.5 gigahertz - core boost is actually more important with how many games these days true are taking advantage of - course that's the same as the 7700 K isn't it yeah I think so but the word on the street though is that we're looking at a 10% IPC improvement so this thing could show up and absolutely kick the stuffing out of the computer that anyone who any chumps out there who ran out and bought a 7700 K it could be like the old days where every generation we had this deep buyer's remorse and we felt like there was actually enough of a performance improvement to be worth going out there and buying a new one so word on the street is that it's gonna cost 350 bucks when it launches but with a 10% IPC improvement similar clock speeds so you're looking at 10% faster right out of the gate plus that it could be up to 50% faster in heavily multi-threaded benchmarks and applications I mean this thing could show up and be legitimately like a hundred and forty percent in the real world 140 150 percent the speed of a 7700 K in something like video encoding and I guess also that's really bad news for AMD because that's kind of their buttery zone right now where they're like we have many cores it is going to put some pressure on rise and seven with that said I mean AMD has shown a definite willingness to roll up their sleeves like like they're rolling up the sleeves all the way to the point where like you're so wide a my god roll up the sleeves all the way to the point where there there's no sleeves left anymore when it comes to adding more course to cpus just because Yolo and also they probably have a lot left over like in the tank Verizon like hopefully as they continue to improve it will see just generally it being better well when when Jim Keller left AMD so he left for Tesla if I recall correctly so he left AMD to go to Apple then he left Apple to go back to AMD to like rescue them as far as I can tell and then left to go to Tesla AMD made it very clear that his departure did not mean the end of the Zen architecture and Zen 2.0 is already mapped out is my understanding so we already went through that topic we already went through that topic we already went through that topic Oh Galaxy Note 7 owners will apparently get a massive discount on the node eight so that's cool goodbye neck bye Nick oh I was so upset about this topic this is supposed to buy mini beats on the forum the original article here is from PC gamer you guys should go check it out are you upset by that one I'm upset because it never got released I liked the Nvidia shield portable really and a prototype alright choose your choose your words carefully mister enjoys being employed here I just never really saw the appeal of it what's not to like it's a it's a handheld console that plays android games and that streams your pc games so android games are never great and pc games are only best played on a PC what about pc platformers yeah what about okay I played through all of Tomb Raider on the Nvidia shield whole game never felt like I was having a bad experience and the graphics were freaking awesome because it's a portable platform okay but and you cannot enjoy Tomb Raider at all I like played a bit if it was like yeah yeah they're fine GTA 5 who cares any game that plays well with a controller played great on the shield portable and basically yeah they this prototype which looks like it has some seriously awesome improvements smaller bezels that was like one of the only things that I really felt like had to be fixed they changed some of the button placements it looks a bit more ergonomic ah man just one prototype made it into the wild and that's it I even sent like and I shield portable was something that I would send fairly frequent sort of pings to our Nvidia rep about like hey when you guys like doing a thing that's a new thing because like this kind of an old processor now and they just never replied and never replied and it made me sad screen was apparently brighter shut down instantly instead of taking a couple seconds and yeah so I'm sad apparently nobody else is sad yeah I couldn't care less really well thanks speaking of things that we couldn't care less about actually this does seem kind of important YouTube begins isolating offensive content this week they won't be able to run ads or and this is interesting be shared on other web sites so Google announced this in June that they would begin isolating YouTube videos that weren't directly in violation of its standards but contained controversial religious or supremacist content so the videos that fall into this category aside from not being able to run ads or be monetized won't have comments disabled and may have a warning screen appear before they play this is meant to curtail engagement and minimize the videos reach so creators affected by the policy will receive a note and will be able to appeal the decision if they feel like the restrictions are unwarranted well yes first of all how do they flag it because I know their last rollout went horribly a lot of people thought falsely flagged yeah so if they're able to improve that a bit that's an improvement I guess but let's see how it goes is all I have to say about that yeah I don't have high hopes for that and always the other thing that I was going to say about this it also seems like it's going to have a lot of people that are just saying like oh they're just trying to like hurt my free speech and then they might almost get more shares out of being like my free speech is hurt as opposed to just not being no one really caring all right so let's move on from that to something completely uncontroversial do you guys have the juice arrow news did you cero news no no uh-oh I did hear about this though I thought you know what I think James specifically asked me if I wanted to do sera news in here oh they're shutting down um and I specifically told them yes I don't know how to spell juice arrow I think you mean Jui but sure Ju I know he didn't put it in okay so hold on let's go grab let's go grab an article here here is the Verge's article juice arrow is shutting down apparently they're trying to get bought so that's pretty cool all customers have up to 90 days to request a refund for their purchase of the juice Aeropress regardless of when they bought it employees are being given 60 days notice so like have you seen the insides of one of these those it's like super impressive to like level of over-the-top engineering it's like insane it's like they gave someone like their first engineering job and they're like make it the best and instead of them like doing anything besides making it the best they only made it the best it's like the aluminum's like this thickens boss it's crazy there's no purpose for it to be like that and they must be losing heaps of money but like if these are all just going out if you're like a creator or like you've like maude things just pick one up like off the side of the road it will like there's amazing stuff inside of it fair enough all right here's something uncontroversial equally uncontroversial the Pico goblin the ultraportable first fully untethered VR headset their claim to fame for this thing is that it doesn't require a PC it doesn't require any cables it doesn't require a phone nothing mind you I could have designed the Pico goblin by taking some double-sided tape and a Samsung gear VR or Google cardboard and taping them together because to say that it doesn't require a phone and then tell me that it's running a Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 CPU with a 5.5 inch 2560 by 1440 resolution display 3G high-speed connectivity doesn't say how much but lpddr4 ram 16 gigs of emmc 5.1 rom and a 3,500 milliamp hour battery is basically like telling me that you guys engineered a phone and then glue the headset to it actually sounds a lot like the specs for the LG g4 specs for it every phone ever with that said it's cheap so it's available for pre-order for two hundred and sixty nine bucks if you wanted a craptastic VR experience because unless it's tracked outside in right now we are not there yet but where we are is at the end of the show so Alex unless you look like you were gonna say something no okay alright you roll in the out trail goodbye people they can't hear you there's music free they can still hear us okay candidate yeah it's just and some people complain no I kind of like it g4 was 808 dude not even close so yeah why don't you just get crapped on right there is anyone actually care what it's not creating processors though oh yeah like they matter a bit but they're all kind of the same thing well like there they get faster I guess so yeah yeah