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we're loved it's wintertime Luke is at PAX in Boston thank you for asking James is here yeah hey new Luke discount Luke disco Luke said everyone sorry we're late you guys I have to confess that it was not entirely my fault James was at least partially to blame go on well James distracted me with his marvelous beard I spent 25 minutes just staring at it today rather than working which happens to be exactly the amount of time that I'm late Yvonne looks confused and worried confused but she can be a little worried if she'd like she knows by now in all seriousness guys we have got Oh apparently the left ear is not getting the right amount of attention oh crap I I legitimately don't know how to fix that put your headphones in mono yep nope no I don't actually know how that stuff works so there you go apparently left and why do people change these things why would anyone change that once again we didn't touch it all week and once again it's different gremlins I swear there are gremlins living in it so what's actually going on is I have been in a mad sprint to get a bunch of stuff done because I am going to China I'll be gone all next week but there will still be videos because this week instead of being on time for one show I was shooting two videos one's actually pretty cool the other ones garb yeah the one kind the other one's kind of lame ya know one of them Intel released an entire lineup of called Zeon W that as far as we can could tell as far as we could tell is basically their core series high-end desktop processors with a Zeon sticker overtop of core I 9 and some ECC support kind of ticked on in the microcode or with a non lasered connection somewhere in the chip or something along those lines at least that's what we thought and that turned out to be very true so that that's going to be interesting so you can see what you're paying an extra as much as like 5 600 bucks for depending on what kind of a currency you use and I'm just mad that that was like a spoiler I mean people who watch the wind show we want to spoil them yeah they're nice people they're good people you too bad um second one is actually on the little x1 carbon really nice machine yep but like everything this year it is not quite perfect which will drive me to madness at some point because you got either 1080p with touch mm-hmm or 1440p with HDR but no touchy is there any technical reason for that actually I remember talking to them back at CES and I managed to get not a marketing person which is always awesome when you manage to find like the engineering guy that's kind of like kind of like back at the back of the booth or like kind of sipping a coffee don't let me talk to people like yeah I'm just I'm here but like realistically I'm not really supposed to say anything you know whatever so you go find that guy and he'll be like you know yeah I wanted that too but yeah there was there was some issue with this and I remember what the reason was it seemed to be a fairly fairly good one um anyway we actually had a great chat but you remember a technical reason it wasn't just there trying to hit a particular price point there was a business reason okay there was there was a compelling enough reason I because I remember we had a long chat where we were discussing sort of the stagnation of display technology in the PC space no one does anything until Apple does it cuz you think about it a PC up till the very high end would be like 1366 by 768 you remember that horrible sort of HD resolution that they were pushing for a while freaking awful and that was like the norm until Apple came out and was like okay no retina retinas a thing now and then all everyone everyone raced Torretta but it's all it all feels kind of like like it's driven by just responsiveness rather than trying to trying to innovate in a way that's meaningful to the consumer so I would look at notebook displays and I would go why are we trying to sell 4k why aren't we just running a sensible resolution like 2560 by 1440 and doing it at a higher refresh rate that's what I'd like to see I don't mind seeing features like HDR for example but I don't necessarily want to compromise on them so yeah to be clear we are trying to we are trying to fix the audio but for now what I would recommend is that you use the I'm watching a podcast but my kids are in the next room and I need to hear if they're crying technique I I can't do one headphone really I can't have it I don't know it falls out no no no it's just the sound of it I think I'm I think I'm like focusing on the fact that one of my your ears is getting worn out faster than the other I need them to be balanced that's insane and I'll can see it it could be insane it just bugs me so an okay let's say that I let's say that I do subscribe - yo weights too loud Anthony doesn't just scream at him yeah yeah I'm between a rock and a hard place no no it's final message Jim technology let's see him walking away so let's say that I do subscribe to your theory that listening to headphones is gonna wear out my ears wouldn't I want to wear them out less okay no it's it's not I would use just one firm bit right right here here I'll show you I'll show you the technique I came up with I call it the I call it the James is crazy but maybe just crazy enough for it to work technique I'm gonna listen for a little while here mmm-hmm imma listen for a little while here I actually miss very little of my program but you're saving on 50% your erosion so your erosion here's the thing it's not hold on just a sec I hate you so much it's not that they're getting used or worn out like your brakes on the car that's fine it's that they're getting used unequally but this is all this was just like the seed that that resulted in me just hating the feeling of it now right this is like when I was like 12 or something right oh man Luke even he knew I wouldn't check so he went out of his way to message me and tell me make sure that you changed the title of the land show because I'm changing it for things that I'm doing at PAX Friday's 1700 can we talk about news while you do that what you want to talk about news you what you want the work that you do on this show to actually like be for something yeah that's madness yeah fine okay what do you there's a a thread on our forum posted by aluminum tech also known as aluminium tech and this thread is about the facebook Messenger app and how Zuckerberg the CEO of Facebook this week confirmed that Facebook does indeed scan your messages whether the pictures are text or whatever make make sure that they conform with Community Guidelines before actually sending it to the to the recipient so if you send something that's against their guidelines like hate speech or inciting genocide or something like that they may not actually deliver that message to whoever you're talking to which I definitely have some benefits but the thread on our forum kind of erroneously implies that the that were not just talking about Facebook messengers normal messaging when we're talking about this this surveillance it implies that we're talking about Facebook's secret function which is more akin to apps like signal or telegram and that's actually not the case Facebook does have a function Facebook Messenger has a function where you can make your your chats encrypted end-to-end and that the interface turns black and there's a little lock and you can even make exploding messages like snapchat style Facebook is not scanning those messages at all or maybe they are and we have no evidence of it but the the news or whatever Zuckerberg confirm has nothing to do with the secret messages it has to do with the normal messages and so we really shouldn't be surprised that they're looking at those so tell me then okay do you use facebook Messenger yeah actually it's one of my primary messaging apps okay how do you feel about them scanning your messages with an automated system for community guidelines standards adherence as opposed to like a human well I guess I'm asking two questions first so um do you like or dislike it I believe okay first of all I think we should clarify I believe that they're scanned with an audit automated system and once they're flagged it requires a human to then say this message is not getting sent through I believe that's how it works sure I am fine with my messages being scanned okay and are you surprised by this no no I should also mention that they do not use the data that they any of the information that they scan that information is not used to sell ads which is what Gmail used to do prior to last year right so I gotta tell you I so okay okay story time so the only reason that I use Facebook is that Facebook does not permit you to manage a Facebook page so the first page that I had to manage and the reason that I had to create a Facebook account was the one for NCIX PC back when I worked there so we were trying to get into this whole newfangled social media thing and so I needed an account so that the page could invite me to manage it and make posts on it and stuff I have probably posted of my own volition a grand total of I don't know between five and ten things on Facebook ever I only use facebook Messenger as sort of a as a digital phone book because the the good thing about Facebook is that whether you know whether you're happy about it or whether you kind of just do it because you have to pretty much everyone has it and and yes thank you whoever's in the twitch chat declaring that they do not have facebook because they're taking some stand good for you we're all jealous we all want to be in your shoes yeah but but but the truth of the matter is that Facebook is a great way to get in touch with people and aside from people changing their names like yeah okay like having your first name and middle name as your facebook name no no I mean I mean people getting married okay so there's a this is kind of embarrassing but I was going through my friends on Facebook and I was like who are these people shut up the people I was confused about were mostly women from my high school class that are now married and I was like that kind of looks all oh okay that that makes sense and then like a kid that I went to elementary school with he changed his name from like his his stepdads name which was his last name for some reason I'm not quite sure how that worked to his birth father's name huh so I was like oh your whatever your name is berry now that's cool wouldn't have known that if I had from berry berry not being e to be a that would be tough but anyway so what's good about Facebook is that it's it's a digital phone book it's a real phone books aren't a thing anymore but the bad thing about it and the thing that has always made me both a little bit uncomfortable and just feel like it's a little bit unnecessary is that while I am technically a millennial I share sort of updates about my life as a job I have never done it for leisure not once when I created a Facebook account it was because I needed to for work when I created a Twitter account it was because I had to for work and when I created a YouTube account it was because I had to for work same with twitch for that matter so I just straight up like don't really get it and I've never really felt it's never been because I feel super comfortable with it that I've shared a lot of detail about my life on like some of you have probably noticed that I now that especially now that the Linus tech Twitter account is managed by the entire team I post almost nothing really personal on it and I only post to my personal account like once every couple weeks at most and I've had a lot of people ask me like why don't you do more of it - cat tips channel or why don't you vlog or why don't you do this so do that and the truth of the matter is like I actually I like not having to talk to anybody yeah no kidding alright like it's related I have found that I watch started watching our videos a lot less once I worked here for a while and it's like not a surprise like what do you want to do when you go home do you want to watch Linus tech tips like no you just did Linus tech tips all day I I just had to look at him for the last eight hours the last thing I want to do is to see him again because he's annoying oh it's not you see how I'm not see I'm only wearing out when you're right now it's not you it's me it's weird today someone someone made a thread about you know an item that they thought would be awesome for us to review though I send it to Anthony who's like oh I have you seen this yet he's like yeah Alex just made a video about that today like it's done already so so okay so back to back to messenger so for me honestly it doesn't affect me much because even though I do have a Facebook account this is it actually okay yeah I'm gonna hum go off on another thing here haha use your words if I had a if I had a dollar for every time we've run a giveaway or a promotion or something and it has required you to tweet something for every time someone's been like yeah well you got you guys suck because I don't have Twitter if I had a dollar for every time I saw that I would still be mad because it's phenomenally stupid Twitter is free Facebook is free and the only information they have is what you give them creating a Twitter account that's sole purpose is to enter giveaways really doesn't give them a lot on you and get this it's free you could create a new one every time hey but you need to have an email address which is freedom also free so if you don't if you don't want it that bad too created free anonymous email and a free anonymous Twitter account people are like cookies once post the thing log back out it's pet peeve show next pet peeve topic with that so so I do so anyway so I do a Facebook account but they actually probably know very very little about me personally other than that I'm a tech head and I post a lot of techie stuff for work so I guess I'm trying to say that I just have not bothered that much you know it sucks more of a Facebook message er than that feature is them putting ads in your inbox you probably haven't even seen this but on on mobile like you'll open your messages it'll be like your partner your best friend your acquaintance oculus blah blah blah with a picture and everything really and then another acquaintance straight up like right in there and I don't know if these are in whatsapp yet but I wouldn't be surprised if that happens soon since they've been want to monetize whatsapp for a while and they own it um I would like to show you something super super cool and funny I think there's a way to see your page as though you are like oh man it's no you might not your personal page have you as a page visitor no no alignment line is tech tips one right oh wow is it gone oh that's pretty annoying well anyway up until sometime hopefully fairly recently the the Linus tech tips page actually had as like like the top post like somewhere near the top please don't send messages to this account nobody checks them and right now see I don't even know where to find them which is super terrible see the feed do you know where you find messages maybe you disable that maybe that's why that warning isn't even there anymore I don't know we had something horrendous like I don't remember how many tens of thousands of messages that people sent and I was just like I don't know I don't know what I can do for you to help make it more clear that you shouldn't send messages through here and it just said something like yeah you need to go on the you need to go on the Twitter page if you want to or the Twitter account if you need to send a message and I Wow I just I have no I should I should honestly I should be screen sharing right now because you guys would find this pretty funny I have no idea how to use Facebook how do I Facebook you maybe you used to then as soon as you had a kid it just left you know how your old people I just never did I just actually never cared like at all yeah I don't know but anyway so the point is I do use messenger but it's usually just to be like oh yeah that person that I met at like badminton at the rec center a couple weeks ago what was their name again alright maybe I'll see if I can get in touch with them yep one the facebook messenger feature I like is that you can make you your default SMS app on Android anyway so you could type in someone's name and then choose to message them via Facebook or through like regular texting which is weak is then you only have one app for both purposes but it also kind of sucks so I eventually switched back to not doing that alright so why don't we jump into the next thing that I'm super mad about the original article here is from a non tech and this was posted by aluminium Tech on the forum once again alright this is really dumb and really frustrating and it's not the first time that this has been done by either AMD or Nvidia and so right to be clear even though it's Nvidia doing it this time AMD has done it in the past neither of them is getting a free pass here and this behavior is absolutely 100% unacceptable it's right in the headline Nvidia quietly rolls out slower lower TDP GeForce GT 10:30 with ddr4 VRAM now to be clear the GT 1030 is not some kind of pillar of gaming cards or anything like that and you wouldn't expect to be running the latest games at the highest settings at the highest resolutions with them but you would expect that if you bought GT 1030 that what you got out of the box would be similar to someone else's GT 1030 and I would make the argument that if you look a little bit closer at these specs here look at this memory that is running at one third of the speed huh oh man not to mention at lower base and boost clocks with a completely different memory technology so we're talking ddr4 versus gddr5 I would make the assumption that that is not what you would expect and that that is going to make some difference to the gaming experience and that if you are buying a dedicated graphics card you probably care at least somewhat about the gaming experience is it true that these systems the systems that will be running these low-end cards discrete as they maybe won't actually be able to really reap the benefits of gddr5 anyway so it's not a huge loss okay so you could make the argument that the way that a review site like us or a non-tech or whoever else would typically benchmark a card like this is not necessarily a very real world because what we'll do and we've taken a lot of flack for this over the years presumably from people who don't understand why we do it this way but what we'll typically do is we'll take the highest end processor in them on the market and we'll throw a GT 1030 on it and then we'll report our results with the GT 1030 compared to some other graphics cards you know whatever suite of cards we decide to test and the the fatal flaw that people feel like they're pointing out for us is that no one would install a GT 10:30 on a $2,000 79-80 XC 18 car extreme edition but the problem is that if we use anything else we lose track of the difference between these graphics cards because what might happen is the higher end ones might end up bottlenecked so it doesn't give you a clear idea of the value per dollar prospect of each car you're trying to remove the cpu as a variable altogether yes so it's as fast as possible hmm now with that said it is possible that in the kind of system someone might install one of these in you might not see as much of a difference but I think you would probably see a difference especially because GPU memory has an impact on the GPUs ability to load in textures for example so it might affect the detail level that you can run at now this is a complete this might be completely naive and ignorant but does the type of memory impact the TDP of the graphics card so it depends it depends on the clock speed it's running at it depends on the I think it's yeah it depends how many chips you're running it depends on yeah mainly that depends on the yeah it depends on the tech that's being used so you could also make an argument that it's better to have a lower TDP GPU like if you're looking to get a 1030 and the kind of system that's going to run it you might actually want that lower TDP more than you want the extra memory so that is possible but in that case what I'd like to see is a separate SKU I ended up arguing with sapphire on the phone about how was I supposed to be about 16 years ago but I'm still mad I ended up arguing with sapphire on the phone and AMD for that matter about a Radeon 9600 that I bought so that should give you guys some idea well I've told you how long ago it was anyway the point is it was a Radeon 9600 and it came with a 64 bit I still remember to this day came with a 64-bit memory bus instead of a 128-bit bus and back then that was a big deal and compared to a 1030 a 960 was still sort of a somewhat respectable card like if he wanted to play I don't remember if this is sort of era appropriate but I think like Sims would have been the kind of thing that my sister might have wanted to run on it that would have made a significant difference and the reason I was mad was that not only was it not marked clearly anywhere on the box what the difference in spec was between this card and the other one the only place anywhere that I could find this information was on sapphires website but not their North American one it was on their Europe ow Wow so I had to go all the way out of my own territory online in order to find out that this card was not the same thing and it was like hidden like way down somewhere and this was at a time when manufacturers were often doing like se editions of cards special edition or a second edition but with the community nickname these things was slow edition because a lot of the time they were cut down because of yields also like they had a bunch of scrap chips that they had to do something with so they'd like you know cut down the memory bus so they do do something else like that and that's a point that people are bringing up this this time you know what's the difference between this and the 1080 TI it's just but the thing is they don't put the these other letters these qualifiers front and center on the box in this case this is way down the line in the product description it's a is a description of the memory it's not up front right beside the ten thirty yeah they do put d4 in the description but it's not a 1030 d4 it's way way way way down there so I find it really frustrating but Nvidia seems to be rather than having taken our feedback and a lot of other members of the press feedback to heart about the 1063 gig which is more than just a ten sixty with three gigs of RAM or I should say less it's actually slower as well they seem to have taken all the feedback that we gave them and crumpled it up and thrown it in a fire because here they are doing it again and it's only been a few months so what I worry about is that if we don't call them out on this it's gonna be something that we're gonna continue to see happen and that's not what we need you don't want to have to walk it like remember guys this is the same company that brought you green light that brought you a program that restricted their partner's abilities to pre overclock their cards to differentiate them supposedly to reduce confusion like that's why they have all these branding initiatives and stuff like that ooo not to mention g4s partner program we want to reduce confusion do you want to reduce confusion or do you just want the right type of Chondroitin so it's good for their business interests so it doesn't matter a lot of people won't notice anyway I won't know so just let it kind of slip by ah this is great Sparky Sparkle man 55 says rip I got the notification a half hour late no no we were just a half hour late unless you just got it now yeah we're the ones ripped so I guess I don't really have a ton more to add I mean this this is really frustrated and you've got you've got a note in here some of the list of documentation does show with two different core names GP 108 300 versus GP 108 310 but the whole thing is very confusing and the old this oh this was what I ended up yelling at AMD about 16 years ago AMD on their website because remember this was not an AMD card technically it was a sapphire card as if AMD didn't send them the friggin chips AMD zone website had no mention whatsoever of a 64-bit memory bus variant of this card so in this case once again just washing their hands of it the official nvidia geforce GT 1030 product page mentions nothing about this change so how can you how can you how can you advocate for less consumer confusion when you're running around enabling your partners to release products even if you technically not your product or whatever the defense would be how can you be running around enabling partners to create products based on your products that you don't even list on your website especially going forward when those partners are part of the GeForce Partner Program ah very very frustrating all right do you also feel passionately about this Spectre business um I can't imagine that you feel as passionate about it what I really feel passionate about is eating savage jerky I knew in my head I was like he wouldn't he couldn't god damn it you did savage jerky is a tasty snack that's not bad for you it's made with the best ingredients without nitrates or preservatives and their goal was to create a snack that's full of flavor and not bad for you which I think I already said I got my talking points mixed up here they've got 13 different flavors of jerky some of the Dan favorites are the sriracha bacon my personal favorite is the maple buffalo bacon I gave it to someone else to try like two weeks ago and they were like yeah but 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Christmas a lot of people think those rumors are dumb so this started on a website called what is it called the situation or I'm gonna have to stop calling you ladies is that my accurate we're gonna have to go with we're gonna have to go with savage James here have some savage jerky that was savage okay so I actually this this website has a great name in this context semi accurate com behind a $1,000 per year pay wall or a hundred dollars a year for students this website published an article with allegedly legit information claiming that the playstation 5 was gonna come out this holiday season which is a lot Sumer then people would think considering that the ps4 Pro came out only two years ago and the ps4 itself only came out five years ago and when traditionally the launch cycles of these things have been about seven years between the three and four so people think that you can we so nee can make a lot more money off the ps4 Pro still the like that can become the de-facto like normal default PlayStation for people and they can start to push the price down to like 250 bucks they don't need to release the new PlayStation just yet yes for pro was two years ago yeah bro see the older you get the faster time goes because each year of your life is a smaller proportion of your life no it was a year and a half okay oh okay I should have written the months in oh okay no no but by the time this launched in the Christmas it would be to you oh I see your point okay okay okay so here's okay you want to go through the rumoured specs first sure it's gonna be AMD again the platform like the architecture is Navi it's gonna be eight cores and I actually have a question about that if we get to it yeah it's gonna have a strong emphasis on VR support that some discussion there you know they have to make certain considerations and decisions to include that and maybe no one cares but maybe no one cares this is no good VR yet and this is a chicken and egg thing they did recently drop the price of the psvr but i don't know what my understanding is that the psvr is the best selling gaming VR headset but i also don't know if that's meeting sony's expectations in terms of how many they have to sell in order to support it it's a I think at this point it's a rising tide lifts all boats thing with VR it's a set up for future profits what else do we know what this thing we know that the CPU would be rumored to be Zen based although we could pretty much take for granted that any future custom SOC that AMD would produce for whether it's Microsoft or Sony would hopefully be Zen based at this point so here's my question and again noob question maybe on the PC in the realm of PC gaming prior to Rison and coffee like for sure single threaded all the games and engines and all that and api's are optimized for single threaded right so depends MOA we strongly it strongly depends so some of them basically since we started getting dual cores which was actually Oh a really long time ago and how just sort of terrible at least ten years more than that yeah you're in laptops ten years UQ 6600 I remember buying our work queue 6600 engineering sample which technically you're neither supposed to buy nor sell from my old boss at NCI X back in 2007 so yes quad-core and that was a like 600 $700 CPU so that was like the first non Extreme Edition quad-core but certainly not mainstream yet then this just walked by with an eggplant so we've got so we've had quad cores on the desktop for 10 years and that chip later dropped in price I think probably about eight months to eight to twelve months later and became far more accessible so ever since then we have seen an onward march towards supporting more course now in the early days the support was fairly rudimentary like you would have one core dedicated to like mostly the entire game and then you'd have another one that handled like maybe enemy AI like like like one thing you know can be offloaded but over time they got to supporting more and more and more threads natively and I believe Crysis 3 supports something like borer well why is it then when Rison came out and it had all these course everyone was stoked on it and in theory the performance should beat a lot of these Intel SKUs it didn't and it was because we had to wait for the game developers to optimize their games and the API is for multi-core okay so there were a couple of things that happened first of all a lot of the things that people were excited about with Rison and about multi-core on Rison well actually I think it's mainly two things one is that AMD depending on how you look at it and it's complicated but AMD wasn't that far behind Intel for gaming in a from a certain point of view as obi-wan might put it because at the solutions that you would be likely to run games at so higher resolution with higher details you'd be more likely to hit a GPU bottleneck than a CPU one so in that sense AMD CPUs weren't that far off unless you did want to turn down your details to get higher frame rates because you were a competitive player or unless you were you cared about your power consumption because they did consume a lot more power before Zen or if you wanted more up-to-date features on the platform because by the end of it and like those boards were looking pretty dated in terms of their feature sets so there were there were lots of other things let me fully actually yeah finish the question the final Clause of the question is given that in the PC side it's so weird that in the console side you've got these multi core AMD chips like ruling the roost on like all the consoles mm-hmm so our game developers taking different approaches on console and PC so ok so back to your question the things people were excited about AMD having better single-threaded performance for gaming and AMD having multi-threaded performance for other workloads and also to put pressure on Intel because that's what Intel did right they launched quad core on the desktop back in like 2006 and it was quad core on the desktop up until 2000 and in 1:6 that was pretty much it unless you wanted to sprawl there were six there are six core AMD CPUs like to I mean on the intel citing about those six core AMD processors those that they didn't threaten Intel even with six course they weren't competitive with Intel's own quad cores that they could turn on so didn't so it wasn't really relevant they sucked more power they didn't overclock there was there was a bunch of things so people were excited because Zen would bring more competition to the market now getting back to AMD's previous course not necessarily being that underpowered for gaming well that's what you're seeing on the game consoles so because the game developers know exactly what hardware they're optimizing for they can go okay we're gonna have exactly this oh right the other issue with Xen performance on the desktop in games was actually more software and firmware related there were scheduler issues with Windows and there were I mean any new CPU it's kind of like why I put what was the Mo's the not scented the 6950 X's in the editing machines like three weeks before the new 18 core flagship came out the reason is that anytime you have a new CPU launch whether it's AMD or Intel and particularly on this last round where both AMT and Intel we're guilty of pulling up their launches just to like just to have something out there and then being not quite 100% polished anytime you have a new CPU you're gonna have some some issues and that was a big part of what affected gaming performance on the desktop and sometimes game developers did have to optimize because even though it's x86 it's it's not like a new CPU is just the old CPU but like with a trogdor like arm like it's actually different and so if you gave even if let's say you gave a professional driver and I don't I don't know cars but so you'll have to forgive me but let's say you gave them Bugatti and a Lamborghini of some model X&Y and you were like okay get the best track time on this track it would take them a little while if they switched from this one to that one to learn the best way to do it even if this one was more powerful like it did they are their div they're different machines so coming back to consoles has been a very sort of winding topic here they know exactly what they're optimizing for they don't have to make any guesses and they are going to run the game in such a way and they're gonna optimize the game in such a way that you aren't going to run out of cpu resources also by the end of AMD's non Zen course while the performance wasn't great their power efficiency was getting a lot better so they take this good power efficiency and they've got four kind of like good enough course and they've got developers who know that they can split it up exactly in this way because it's gonna run for course there's not gonna be some Yahoo out there running a dual core because Intel still has dual cores for some reason and they can and they can split it up that way to make the best possible use of the quad core and then the GPU well they can push the game's visual effects to the max so that they can run into a GPU bottleneck rather than a CPU one also it's a console it's gonna run on a TV it doesn't have to run higher than 60 FPS anyway cool I get it there's the long the very very long answer hopefully that will ease finish your bacon you've been so good walking with your hands way too much to still be holding that bacon so please and now to circle all the way back to the beginning in your opinion mmm-hmm is the PS 5 coming out in 2018 even if it's December 31st okay consider that when the ps4 I think was a pro came out which it was is either the pro or the ps4 I came out in November and we knew about it a February of that year if this is gonna come out in the hall at April yeah yeah we're 2 months beyond that this now it probably would be launching in November if it's there trying to make the holiday yeah so that's a short media window to get the hype running so do you think it's coming out this so normally I would say absolutely not and the reason is that up until now every playstation whether it was emotion or whether it was cell or whether it was a move to Jaguar every PlayStation has been architectural II dramatically different totally different so if you told me in April there's a PlayStation coming in November I tell you to go take a long walk off a short pier because you're an idiot because there's no way that in what does that work out to seven months there's no way that in seven months anyone is gonna have launch titles ready because they're gonna have to completely like recode aspects of these games in order to run on this new machine the developer things are already out there ok that that is known ok so that we know but even then like I'm saying there's still no way that seven months would be even close like a modern triple-a game remember you launched a console without a Monsieur Nintendo at least a couple triple-a tier games and those take literally years to develop and it's not gonna be it's not gonna be good enough to just take some existing titles and go now at you know 4k with better details or whatever else if they're people were really into that they'd go buy a PC however because a PlayStation 5 would be just PlayStation 4 on steroids with Zen course which is going to be a big difference that's gonna be like really nice and then presumably and it says Navi based graphics which would be again very nice remember this is not Vega this is a new architecture past Vega because it would be just like that on steroids new architectures but much more powerful ones but still fundamentally x86 and crap what does aim do you call your thing again so you're saying it's Lucien it's kind of like des ucn anymore anyway the point you're saying it's kind of like ps4 pro pro yeah like but way more Pro because yes provide on crossfire which was a bad approach I think actually your theory we might have some credence given that one of the other leaked bullet points here is that the PS 5 would be backwards compatible with ps4 pro titles why not yeah it might as well be right because it's fundamentally pretty similar in terms of the hardware and so you've got PE you go you go this site sent me accurate you haven't heard of it apparently but I've been following Charlie I don't remember how to pronounce de marriageand image emerge again whatever Charlie I've been following Charlie since about 2002 back when he used to work at the Inquirer not the National Enquirer The Enquirer and back then being choir was the bomb for industry leaks they do have a track record of being prescient and accurately leaking specifically console related leaks in the past now I've been wrong a couple times with something I can suggest why that might be C okay and I makes me a little uncomfortable because I've never really talked to Charlie much so I don't want to like talk about him when I don't actually know him that well but what I can say is that I do know that I've never seen him at an industry event that isn't an AMD one okay so what I can extrapolate from that particular data point is that if AMD talks to him and no one else does and he gets industry information somehow okay that maybe he's getting his information from that's pretty interesting contacts at AMD and if he would be if he has a track record of leaking console news which AMD has their hardware in up until the switch had their hardware in all three that would align with my guesses as to where his sources ma be from so that to me adds some credibility because over the years Charlie has taken a lot of flack for saying a lot of stuff that didn't turn out to be true but as a reader of his over the years who you know takes rumors with the grain of salt okay the thousand dollars a year no okay no I eyes didn't I read before I read before he put up the pay well so but as someone who's kind of paid attention to his career he's been right enough that if you read with the grain of salt that you should take rumors with in the first place and then he called the site semi accurate I mean what more do you want um he's offered a lot of insight overnight that's what that's what I'll say so all right I'm not saying yeah there's gonna be a ps5 but I would suggest that this might be why Sony hasn't had a response to the Xbox 1x yet and this might have been a good move them to let microsoft launch the 1x few months ago and then say okay you know what we're gonna miss out on having the crown for like a year but realistically Microsoft can't run out and release a new Xbox again so we're giving up this year now of console you know thrown them but we should have a year or maybe more than that afterward while Microsoft responds yeah they want to wait until the ps4 pro sales have peaked and are starting to taper off but also enough time so people from some people who bought a ps4 Pro will also buy a PS 5 at launch and it's not everyone is gonna do that another major factor is that they're there at AMD's mercy here they can't release a faster console until AMD releases a faster freaking piece of hardware so Pat custom SOC design process takes time and you can't start that process until the individual components of it so both the CPU and GPU are at least somewhat finalized so this looks like mean that timeline sounds not that you know what the more we talk about this I'm going with it PS 5 this q4 it's on put your balls on the table there you go bet something so the bet would be either it's coming out holiday season or it's being announced at e3 next June mmm Orcas this June yeah I don't know I'm gonna say I'm gonna say it's coming holiday season I don't know exactly how they're gonna handle the hype leading up to the release but you know what I'm in when are they gonna announce it they can't wait to leave 3 at June that's good they could yeah that gives them like a people do they need to announce it at a conference or an event or can they just launch it more and more companies Manion ounce it Microsoft did this for the Xbox one more and more companies are just doing an apple style like conference they're just doing you know what forget it we're not gonna announce things at CES or Computex or e3 or whatever we'll do our blow into our own party but they do it Apple does it up their own conference every year exactly what does Sony have one of those um I don't know if Sony has done that but more our companies are trying to do this so yeah let's find out maybe they maybe they'll just do their own thing I'm seeing CES you never know WC speaking of things you never know you never know when big brother is watching the original article years from CNET sorry for the abrupt change in topics but I really want to cover this and it's like 20 after 6 already and I really want to talk about this I am going to Shenzhen on Monday so an AI company that works with Shenzhen Police is creating a system that will use CCTV cameras to identify jaywalkers and send them a fine via a messaging app ok so full disclosure here that's seen in articles from July 2017 because this is the fact that peoples are getting in trouble like their faces are being projected onto a giant billboard in real time because these facial recognition equipped cameras are watching them jaywalk that's old news that that's been since last summer the new update now is that if that happens to you you might just get an SMS that's like here's your fine bud click through and pay it could be SMS could be in a we chat which is I guess gets compared to Chinese whatsapp so over 10 months ending in February this year these boards that they created displayed thirteen thousand nine hundred and thirty jaywalker faces so I got like a public shaming thing yeah well apparently jaywalking is a bigger deal in China than it is over here I don't see that there's more people they have a different attitude both the pedestrians have a different attitude to the law according to Chinese political party opinion anyway and drivers have a different standpoint to pedestrian right-of-way apparently I saw there's studies where in Germany you might only wait 60 seconds to cross the road but in China it might be 90 seconds and that's longer than people we need to wait and even when it's their turn the drivers might still just drop like not respect their right of way anyway so there's a lot of jaywalking and presumably because of the number of people there there's it causes a lot of traffic and bottlenecks so there's a high incentive for for the government to try to work this out so one of the ways they'll de incentivize people to jaywalk is by socially shaming them putting their face and their family name by the way up on a giant billboard that you can see and now I guess they're attaching a monetary incentive or D incentive on that as well I mean this is just so apparently only about 10% of the population can be identified by this city or by the system in the city of Shenzhen but if you consider that they're already working with third parties like these chat applications to deliver fines presumably they could work with third parties like crap what's there what's there Amazon Alibaba like they could work with Alibaba well no Aliexpress is is partners like yeah but Alibaba is like to contact manufacturers not always buy so they could work with wait hold on a second well where's he going Alibaba Group Chinese multinational you come yeah no Alibaba Group not like alibaba.com necessarily okay anyway so the point is that they could work with companies like that that have or they could work with Chinese phone manufacturers for example that I'm not gonna say who or what they're doing now but have been known in the past to put you know back doors on phones and or share information with the Chinese government so they could work with these groups to make the facial recognition just one part of how they identify you so they could monitor where you go what you buy who you spend your time with and they could use all of these things to augment their facial recognition technology so that they could actually make a very very good guess as to who you are even if they don't get a perfect look at your face and where you are they can track you while you're driving your car exactly apparently 600 million CCTV cameras in China it's like it's getting too full on surveillance tape and some of these things are positive like there's there's benefits from it you can go to certain airports in China and be and not have a boarding pass it's all facial recognition your hands are full of your bags you just walk by the flight the attendant as you go onto the plane like that's pretty sweet Wow maybe you'll get to do that if you're in an airport that has that you should make a video there's no way out way to do it cuz yeah oh yeah that doesn't any sensor in fact the reason why only 10 percent of the population of Shenzhen gets their faces recognized is because presumably it's like the database of all the different provinces is and integrated so if you live in Shenzhen but you're from a different province then they just don't have your record available so that's why they think that the number of people who will be susceptible to this tech should go up dramatically once they do get a more broadly based system in the future alright last topic for the day because we are not gonna stop harping on this at least until you guys get bored of it more GeForce Partner Program News a sous to our res that just me or does that sound like kind of like a Spanish I'm actually trying to figure out if it's supposed to be like Ares well Ares used to be had areas before with an S on the end what they called their rog AMD based cards so it was at the at the very high end they had Mars on the Nvidia so maybe that's intentional because they're not allowed to say ROG anymore they're still saying Strix so maybe people will remember that Ares was ROG and because losing ROG hurts man like people consumers know what our our G is and they want to buy it which is still bizarre to me because I still remember Jim being just like baffled and angered by the original integral in Plantation of that branding it's just like this is so stupid what is republic of gamers even mean what is this like a a place where all the gamers live you never been it smells weird but it's pretty dope there that's what we need is a new sponsor like a deodorant product People's Republic because the sales pitch writes itself it's like too busy gaming to shower just use this spray no problem at least for a little while eventually you'll have a problem so rich dicks asus rog streck's turns into Aries or areas Strix are a soos duel tunes into RS duel a seas expedition which I've never even heard of before turns into RS expedition it's way out there so not only do we appear to be losing our og branding it looks like they aren't even putting a sous branding on the cards bat bat weirds me out a little bit isn't that a maybe like at what point is somebody gonna leak this freakin agreement so that we can have a look at it because I'll tell you usually 99% of the time when like you know some controversial document gets leaked or whatever I'll like read a bunch of articles kind of figure out what the consensus is and go okay yeah or I might I might read a couple of paragraphs of the thing if the geforce partner program leaked i would read the whole thing like multiple times i I want I want to understand I don't just want to see what's in there I want to understand what's in there cuz this sounds like a scary friggin document well in the original what's the site that leaked it hard OCP right now in that original blog post or article he wondered if it was actually legal I don't know man me too so thanks for watching guys see you again next week same bat-time same bat-channel 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