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Net Neutrality Must Survive. - Wan Show Nov. 24 2017

2017-11-25
I think I was like one of the sleepiest interests we've had you know welcome to the night time pot I haven't even gotten that much done this week like here let me let me have a look we use we use Trello now which is actually pretty cool I actually really like it so we use Trello to track all of our tasks and and everything Trello is pretty cool and so this week I actually only got like five five videos shot of which I scripted none of them so like on paper I got not a whole lot done this week but big meetings I had to have a lot of meetings and there is something about meetings that just makes you just just hate yourself at the end of the day and then hate yourself some more at the end of the week and then just when you're done hating yourself you hate your life and yeah meeting sock so you never know like okay did we did we cover enough stuff and then if you do cover a new stuff the new question is did we cover too many things in waste time yeah so I mean yeah I got everything that I needed to to end like honestly the stuff that we did this week was pretty cool so we finally covered the porsche design laptop the evie tablet that surface competitor that's like a few hundred dollars cheaper okay and great build quality great specs comes with the keyboard cover and a stylus so we got a resent of thing that doesn't happen anymore Dell sent us over what has to be the most badass projector that I've yet seen oh and you're into protectors HDR it's the laser it's 5,000 lumens Wow and it's 4500 bucks which is a lot of money go buy a hundred inch HD r 4k TV yeah they get quite expensive yes once you get up there in five thousand lumens like obviously it's not gonna work in a bright room with the Sun coming in the way that a TV might yeah but in a dim room but with the blinds up the Sun was probably gonna set in about half an hour it was super usable like very usable even with some of the lights on in the room so I was super if you live up here it'll just always work great yeah we don't have Sun anymore well not this time of year yeah and then John did a smart Christmas lights roundup okay I heard about this yes how was that John was like super into this he was like hey so I think honestly I don't think he's bringing any of that stuff back I don't I think he's just keeping it because I think his ulterior motive is that he's just into decoration in a way that I don't think most of the other people here really are yeah yep and and he's into like celebrating festivities yeah yeah like his tree was up it was badass when I went over there and the festive spirit yeah so so I think he just had an ulterior motive that was he wanted cool smart Christmas lights and he figured hey I know that was part of it if I make a video about this then I'll just keep them yeah so we made that video how is it though like how was it um most of them are terrible as you yeah so he didn't get a lot of great lights out of it but he did get a couple of those Philips I look at you goes which he really likes yeah I was gonna ask Philips make a set because there's stuff seems to be pretty good yeah so Philips was the only one that had an app that wasn't total ass but it's not like proper Christmas lights I'm assuming no no it's just Philips hue but like green and red which is the thing that Philips you does yes last one was we're doing our test build on air cooling in the Corsair concept slate the largest case of that not ever but certainly the largest yeah happening the certainly the largest case from a a mainstream case manufacturer like mountain mods has done stuff like an ascension duality is gonna be bigger how big is it compared to that huge fan tax case ah you know what I don't know the fan tax ones Malinda case labs has definitely done something bigger the TX 10 v or something like ginormous like dual ATX yeah yeah like just redonkulous you know from it like a normal case manufacturer like your Corsair your thermal take your an tack all those guys this is the biggest that I've seen it's like curved tempered glass I'm like wow like I know like I know with with cases like this it's not about selling a whole bunch of them yeah I wonder how many they really think they're going to sell and I don't mean really in like a derogatory way like I wonder like when they're like okay let's make this case like forecasting you have to get forecasting by like what is the number i desided care probably not I like I wondered yeah I actually don't think they care it's just to show up I think this one is just okay you can't tool a case for less than a half a million dollars yeah I'll tell you that much this one was a lot more than that yeah and hurts tempered alone I'm sure is like not fun they're not gonna sell a ton of them because if I had to guess and I'd be completely guessing have no information if I had to guess I'd say the Coursera concept slate is probably gonna cost five hundred to six hundred and fifty US dollars so like this is not this is not gonna put my hand up to guess and was like five okay yeah so I think we're on the same page there and I was thinking that or higher so that that works I'm just gonna alright guys so we're here in the Corsair suite where they have I would love to say of the GTX a lot more times I think it's like three eight times the internal I know on earth would you do right down here at the bottom and they've even got a bunch of hardline and hopefully hopefully will do a great job like is it just like a crazy build or is there like a specific point it's like the screaming the powerful one is the work station okay so for poor quadros yeah um 128 gigs of ram 18 core processor Oh like basically the finest the absolute best okay and then the gaming machine is a capable gaming machine that's like hiding in there so it's a 7700 K with a 1080 Ti okay and 32 gigs of ram so while your thing is rendering on your multiple Quadros you can still game it absolute felicity yeah you can get one of us so Wendell over at level one Tex is he seeing his kvms I believe they're actually available on the store right now but he's got two different models and they're DisplayPort kvms so we've actually got one of them in I've been waiting icing yeah so he's making yeah this product that already existed but he basically made firmware for it that isn't trash that's cool so right up until now a DisplayPort KVM has been pretty hard to come by especially one that isn't total yeah okay that that asterisk on the end is super important so it's DisplayPort 1.2 it passes through free sync as far as I know and he's even gotten it working passing through G sync the tallboy model is five hundred and fifty dollars but it is a dual monitor KVM okay so you would actually be able to run this in fact that's what we should probably do Jake in the in the showcase like show off video for this one is we should have two monitors and then you can actually switch between your two systems like that and it does audio oh yeah it's like totally badass it's USB 3 it's like it's like crazy crazy amazing that's the okay so so the table model is the dual monitor one yeah that's the main D and then the four there's the quad poor single monitor one so you can switch between four different systems that one's like 330 bucks or something like yes you've got you're looking at 396 for the single monitor so that much okay and 664 okay so I have had the pricing totally wrong so yeah man that's US dollars by the way oh I mean they look sick yeah and you know for for a high plug count KVM that's actually not unreasonable there's something there's some that you can get at quite a bit cheaper but not not anywhere close to that feature sense yeah I mean you can spend you can spend that kind of money on VGA KVM still depending on the features yeah so people are asking for a link I'll drop one in chat yeah all right thanks all right why don't we how do we roll the intro crap well we have good topics trust me well--there's hey if you're logged into twitch is there an easy way to get me an authentication thing because otherwise I have to go on to the thing and I have to do the whole thing oh all right yeah yeah okay that's fine um all right well if I whispered in head gestures while we're live on stream yeah how's it going SAP what do you what is for what that for this yeah you don't need that I don't need that no well how do I do it are you sure I'm pretty sure are you are you not logged in no try to log in this is a new laptop okay turtle again I already did what what oh wait okay hold on I got this okay cool okay you know what we'll get back to you on that actually we won't at all so don't worry about it okay so the iMac Pro this was originally posted by red round 2 I'm posting the link in the twitch chat now the original article is from 9 to 5 Mac and apparently it's going to feature an a-10 fusion processor inside so oh wow that's weird what is that oh hold on oh that was close I mean it would have just shown me my topic so I'm actually working on my reel oh yeah it does good cool I'm working on my review of the new blade stealth this is the quad core model okay so I'm super loose doped on this thing so far actually wow you didn't just include it in your other blade review no wow wow what just milking videos what are you talking about you're drunk way to go you're drunk they're both blades you should include in the same video I shouldn't have to watch two different videos with blades and you know what I can't be milking it because it's obviously gonna get demonetized does the word blade in it so wait did that happen no well ok yes but not got it back okay that was like six years ago back when I did an unboxing of the original razor blade I had some I had some keywords in the description about razors switchblade interface which at the time I said I didn't think made a ton of sense and it got it got blunt cans so fast you remember that thing right with the displays behind the programmable buttons yeah it was just so expensive and nobody cared it was pretty bad it also was buggy yeah anyway so it got demonetized and I had to appeal it I filmed that video yeah that makes sense yeah yep yeah I was a long time ago I remember and neither of okay so the iMac Pro to feature a 10 fusion coprocessor processor possibly for always-on hey Siri you know okay so I've got a couple things to say here number one is that I was super confused when I read the headline for this and I was like oh an a-10 fusion coprocessor that's like oh that's weird why would it why would they put an APU in there yeah that's exactly what I thought too because I was Andy has their lineup of a 1080p use and then fusion was what AMD was calling what they were gonna call their cpu GPU hybrid products that just ended up being ap use but there was really nothing hybrid about them they were just you know CPUs with onboard graphics anyway Fusion was the branding that they were gonna use for that house like oh yeah a confusion and because I don't follow Apple as closely as I follow PC stuff like yes you know a 11 Bionic a 10 fusion I'm sure that lots of Apple people would have gone to makes complete sense oh and a 10 fusion like the you know iPhone 7 but I didn't and I'm dumb and you can all have a nice little laugh at me and anyway so point number one is I got confused haha and point number two is that I think this is great yeah I mean sure it's gonna handle smaller more different tasks like hosting hey Siri always on so you would just be able to say hey Siri to your computer yeah which would be cool I guess if you do that first there's so many mics in our houses now it's kind of ridiculous but you know whatever not in mind that you're already being monitored by Wow oh yeah I mean phone yes yeah phone yes yeah hey Siri now yeah well you probably have one on you no I do not have an iPhone on me right now you usually do that I usually do it was a good good as a SmartWatch yes yeah I don't know if it has a mic but a lot of them do actually and you swapped it quite often it's true a lot of mics this is a pro track it's actually kind of cool we did like a sponsored spot for it but I'm not being paid to wear it right now I like it it's it's got two screens so this is a dumb screen oh is it in overtime okay yeah remember when these first came out and we were both talking about how this is how they would have to do it yeah yeah it's so cool guys it lasts for like another month and a half yeah yeah yeah and it's just a watch and like honest tons of saying I get so many notifications that it's impractical to manage them from my wrist anyway so I've but I got back in the habit of wearing a watch well yes I'm like I'm wearing a watch now and that's cool because like I don't know if it is charged sweet because notifications on your wrist it's not charged whatever yeah like I can tell someone's calling me when I leave my phone it's not a useless thing strapped to your wrist right which is cool but anyway I'm glad they're doing this either way because this has been a thing that has confused me for a number of years why is it that there is anything that this can do that my laptop in my desktop can't that's so stupid yeah so I mean to add to that list why does my laptop not have GPS it would be great for and I know they can tell where your laptop yeah great tech quickie coming on how they know where your laptop is that pretty well it can do that really well which is swell but that won't necessarily help with like I'll find my laptop feature for example right as it is those all refer are refer those all rely on the same Wi-Fi positioning that your Google Maps would for example but this coprocessors isn't gonna give you no I'm just I'm just adding to my list of things that every device should just support and for some reason they write but every device isn't gonna have a sim card ok well ok there's another great question why the actual hell does every device not have somewhere that I can pop a SIM card yeah it probably should especially because and it should be more standard for phone companies to just like I don't know charge you five bucks for the sim but not charge you anything on top of that monthly right the monthly fees shouldn't go up you should pay for the hardware cuz you have to ship it or whatever but I just don't get it yeah how is this how is this not obvious yeah you know would be really sick if I could have a sim in my laptop my phone my switch yeah like everything and I just pulls from my one pool of available I have like other stuff on my list I can't I can't remember for the life of me right now what yeah I'm you know ok biometrics took forever and are still taking forever on laptops and desktops whereas they've been standard on mobile devices for about three years now yeah like Windows hello is the thing yeah but that's very soon and not stand not standard at all yeah so yeah there's just like there's a bunch of stuff like that but I just look at but why why can phones do this and for some reason we aren't building this functionality and tell their devices drives me crazy the LG Graham gen 3 that just rolled in ok and it's got this jank tastic fingerprint scanner on the top left of the trackpad that is not touch sensitive so you can just like run over it and like your touchpad doesn't work there and I'm sitting here going like we've had we've had touch we've had touch ID slash fingerprint scanners built into everything from side buttons to back buttons to front buttons to to fricking oh why they don't even cost much you look at the you look at the tear downs for these phones okay and it to be clear I don't think it's as simple as if the bomb cost for a phone like the iPhone 10 is rumored to be went through three hundred and thirty dollars three hundred forty three seventy whatever it is it's somewhere in the 250 to 350 range something like that and to be clear I'm not saying oh well then it should be $4.99 because unlike some people I do understand that there's a lot of costs associated with bringing a product to market including like really including the long term support of said product something that Apple does generally pretty well and like literally zero dollar inclusion cost for all of the operating system and software yes okay so you know I'm also not saying they're not making enough money like they're clearly really making a lot of money but my point is that when you look at these tear downs the kinds of parts that I'm complaining about I'm not even asking necessarily for a for a cellular radio to be built into the device I'm asking why the actual crap we didn't have a standard created five to eight years ago where every motherboard just has a spot where you can plug it in why don't we have a couple like we're talking little tiny copper wires for antennas to have a way to add this functionality very easily be built into the screen and it does exist it's just something that's really not very common and another actually used to be more common another example is something like it did to back when like Express cards were um and clearly it went away because there wasn't a ton of demand for it but cell phone plans used to be exorbitantly expensive yeah and and to be able to have something like data was like like yeah it was it was almost non-existent and someone in the chat has actually brought up I lost the comment now I'm sorry but they said family plan sim grouping I've heard that it's way more common in the States and it's starting to definitely be a thing in Canada but that's still not like a default thing no and and to be and like if you include the plans even if they exist and you can get them for businesses as well the plans even if they exist don't have device support so it's like I can't just pop a sim in my blade stealth which I should be able to yeah so my point then is that on a thousand dollar device or a fourteen hundred dollar device I think this one's a 512 gig and this is about a $1600 device I think they could have absorbed a slot for a SIM card I think they could have absorbed a fingerprint scanner that isn't trash and that sits under a touch-sensitive surface like a trackpad and you know what I think they probably also could have absorbed you look at how much the camera sensors cost for even a rear camera honest on a cell phone yeah it is a trivial amount why is every webcam not as good as like the one plus five T's rear camera why and what's the excuse latch our cameras are actually like disgustingly bad and laptop mics oh they could be a lot better man so yeah I guess that's it I'm I was mad now I've got it out of my system I'll get mad about it again at some point but I'm over it for now yeah what else do we have for topics today okay yeah why don't we do this before the sponsors oh boy Intel finds critical holes is a secret brutal management engine so this was posted by cubes the gamer on the forum I'm gonna pull up the original article from the register and I think Luke's probably better qualified to go through well this is some this is some pretty ridiculous stuff why this is a big deal it's a fairly self-explanatory uh there's there's firmware level vlog bugs that allow logged in administrators or some other people you can access it over the network which is extremely scary yeah logged in administrators and high privileged processes so programs doesn't have to be a user to run code beneath the operating system to spy on or meddle with the computer completely outside of other users or admins now that's not the only scary part because it's going on to the processor you can access things that are in memory so you can like screw with other programs and you can take things from other programs so meanwhile hold on can I jump in and ask a question oh you're gonna ask a dumb question okay now typically something like a password in a perfect world in a perfectly coded websites and or piece of soft it has to be moved around but at some points in time would stay encrypted theoretically end-to-end but in practice there is sometimes while it's being moved around where it might not be encrypted for a jump she's got it it should be encrypted the whole time so if something has access to memory it can grab stuff that would otherwise be possible I think so and what could be really bad about that is you could change something right so while the program is running you could change something that's in memory crashing it in a really special way or like altering something then right so it's an exploit that opens up to the potential for many other exploits yeah I have obviously never screwed with something like this before but it's it's pretty brutal here we go to do their direct quote the flaws could allow an attacker to impersonate the MESP S or T XE mechanisms that's referring to management engines service platform services or a trusted execution engine which is a great name right now thereby invalidating local security features like what you're just talking about load and execute arbitrary code outside of the visibility of the user and the operating system this is where some of the special concepts like from your antivirus get owned so you can crash affected systems extremely easily this way brutal the things affected are six generations seventh generation and eighth generation Intel Core processors so long Intel Xeon e3 1200 v5 and v6 processors Intel Xeon scalable processors Intel Xeon w processors Intel Atom C 3002 be 900 series processors Apollo Lake Intel Pentium cell on N and seller on J series and risin seven no I'm just kidding it's all Intel oh boy the holes can also be exploited by network administrators this was the part that I really didn't like the rest of them are pretty brutal the fact that there can be an attack vector it's all that I mean it's all brutal what we're talking like we're talking like AIDS birthday cake like does it really matter what's nice you take the problem that I have with this is it's it's it's quite easy to social engineer your way onto someone's Wi-Fi right it's it's like it's it's been proved so many times that in so many different situations you can get onto someone's Wi-Fi pretty easily whether you overhear someone asking for a password or if you just oh man I really need to do whatever it oftentimes people will let you on the Wi-Fi and then getting up to administrator access usually not the hardest thing once you're already on the network anyways exploited by network administrator's or people masquerading as admins like I just said to remotely infect machines with spyware and invisible rootkits oh god Wow it's not it's not good it's really bad okay yeah honestly for the link I'll drop the link yeah so far so far I don't think intel has a plan it's a firmware level thing so at the best-case scenario the best-case scenario is they might be able to patch this via a BIOS update which is a terrible solution because I understand this too this is fun not every BIOS update updates Emme yeah okay and in fact I ran into an issue a little while back where I forget what exactly the problem was I oh man there's this thing with I think it's a soos not a soos it's it's what I think it was with z170 boards I think it's generation can't remember exactly anyway the point is that you have to do like some kind of CPU juggling in order to first flash so you have to go back to like an old CPU to flash the enemy I think you actually have to do something in OS then you have to pop that and you have to put in a new one you have to flash the BIOS with that then you have to like put in the old but like it's some stupid juggling act like I wish I could remember but I wasted like three hours of my time a while back do you remember 87 to 97 is that right is the 80 79 no it's all of them ASIS just has it documented so you know what to do um anyway the point is I believe the issue there was that Emme couldn't be updated while you had the one CPU but it could for the other the point is best-case scenario they can update this with a BIOS flash but that relies on a number of things it relies on the manufacturer of the actual motherboard to do something with okay relies on Intel to provide a fix it relies on the manufacturer to do something with that fix it relies on the manufacturer to communicate to the end-user that they need to apply that fix it relies on the end-user being able to run a BIOS update to be able to run a BIOS up that's that's like the worst I mean we're talking stuff going back to 6th gen I mean there's there's stuff I mean especially when you start getting into like om systems like Dells and HP's there are systems that are not that simple to run a BIOS update on like when you consider that the average user is intimidated by pressing delete and being presented with all these scary options so someone in the chat sorry so I'm gonna the chat brought up like processes can edit memory for other processes yeah I know that's already a thing but this is undetectable by the operating system which is like the reason why it's about permission and and and it like it's it's that's a whole nother level and you can screw with things without being caught and a lot of things are going to be caught by windows okay so I'm not done yet it relies on the end user to be arsed to go and deal with it because for someone who doesn't know how to update a BIOS there's probably let's say conservatively an hour of their life that they have to set aside to learn about this issue figure out how to do it and actually do it there's gonna be I mean there's good okay okay I know that it's that it's unlikely but any machines that you know experience a power loss during this update well they're gonna be bricked they're gonna need to be replaced so there's gonna be a service cost associated with this like this is terrible I'd love to hear Wendell talk about this and we brought Wendell up on this stream I just thought about him that would be cool so this this to me seems really bad mainly because you're going below OS level so you can do essentially whatever the hell you want that's the scary thing for me you can screw with other programs you can make it look like other programs are doing the thing that you're doing that's the stuff that's freaking me out but I really wonder what someone like Wendell thinks yeah at the business side of thing going things going this will not get fixed yeah like that that is the truth yeah there will be many many millions of pcs out there that will be affected by this forever pretty much how often people update their boss in like the people that are watching this yeah like the people that are at this family I have a Saturday night Saturday night calendar reminder I got some wine and some cheese and up Dima BIOS like it's I don't know it was like three different ones and then I switched I mean after that it's not common there I would almost 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because I didn't actually know what it was it's one of those things that goes on your drink that keeps it from keeps it warm or cold as it were insulating sleeve so I don't think it's in the dog but yeah the chat is talking about oh I'll use a light term of aggravated because we're not talking about net neutrality yeah ah okay I don't see it in the dog no I'll start in there um honestly the reason that it's not in there and the reason that we haven't made a video is that we already made a video we've already talked about it before alum I mean the the cynic in me is kind of looking at everybody jumping on this bandwagon going like like are you just out for views like why do you only care now when it's trendy maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm wrong maybe it's not like that but I just posted a video on the twitch chat it's more than trendy right now it's like coming up again well I know that I know that the debate is sort of on right now but here's the problem so we already did that video that I posted two years ago it's quite good news and there's nothing that we didn't already say net neutrality is good you should care if you don't understand that for whatever reason then I'm sorry we can't yeah basically if we we can't do this because we're in Canada and it's not an issue up here because you know but if you're in the States you should be contacting local representatives there's what's the website fight for the net or something I see sorry this wasn't a prepped topic thanks for the net battle for the Netcom funny because it's battlenet I'll drop it in the chat there's a contact them button which I'm pretty sure if you put in like your your information it like helps you reach out to congressman congressman and represent eight representatives and Congress women in Congress whatever they identify as yes we didn't assume anything yep sorry yeah we're treading on a sensitive topic right now so let's make sure we're yeah yeah let's make sure nobody nobody melts but this website is a good resource for a ton of different stuff if you're looking for more information on it reddit is so over this we've got some people upset because I basically said anyone who doesn't understand that it's good needs to get themselves re-evaluated I think there are better ways to fix the internet than through regulation that's nice but the problem is that this regulation exists to fix other regulation so unless you want to actually deregulate which nobody's calling for oh really unless you want to actually deregulate then nothing can be done and if you were to actually fully deregulate everything it would create a whole host of other problems as well because one of the only reasons that smaller ISPs and smaller telcos can exist is the fact that this copper that was in Canada I believe it was so he okay here in BC I'm more familiar with our local stuff you'll have to forgive me but this is one of the reasons we don't talk about it too much yeah would have been BC tailed back in the day yeah and they were the ones who owned all the copper because they were the ones who existed before the friggin internet and only certain people are allowed to put down copper because you're using government land to put the copper down I mean the last thing that you want is like I've been to developing countries where the telephone poles are literally just covered in every random wire and people like I saw people you know they're not wearing safety vests they don't have a truck with a logo on it they're just like up there like running stuff yeah that's actually a problem too that's a huge problem you have to regulate this stuff there is no removing all the regulation and the regulation that is net neutrality exists to counter the other regulation that has to exist that creates unfair advantages for certain companies that's all there is to it there is no debate the only debate is who's getting paid say you go so there's people in chat that are like you clearly haven't a clue what gee pies and tensions are Brit Brit know we know what's going on we're on your side stop it like honestly we are on your side because it actually does matter like even though we're Canadian and this doesn't theoretically affect us it's super does guys because so much of our infrastructure and the world's for that matter is reliant on what the regulations are for the Internet in the United States not to mention that the Canadian government has a long and proud history of just kind of King sell that what's going on and kind of going okay that looks alright apparently that won't happen at least with our current guy yeah but you know there's always who knows who gets elected next yeah and stuff so there you go you're Canadian I'm out anyway so there that's all I had to say on it do you have anything like okay one of my big things a lot of people bring up the idea of like internet fast leads and like when you go to battle for the Netcom there's like a fake oh loading icon at the top and stuff that's not the only problem in countries where this isn't a thing where they don't have net neutrality set up there's there's been some screenshots going around of flight I don't remember which country it was but the second you try to open a browser it redirects you to a page and it's essentially a micro transaction store for being able to access websites and you get like a certain amount of data or a certain amount of time on a certain website and you have to buy it with like coins that you have for that website it's it's beautifully garbage and the issue that comes up with this is like I had to scroll down the list for a while to find facebook Messenger because there's so many websites that people use these days that are super mainstream and including games and all these other kind of things that you don't realize that some of the things that you use might fall down below other stuff and someone says tunnel bear yeah that's great except that VPN traffic works because the ISP lets everything through there know that it's VPN traffic they just have to let it through if it's now on a whitelist system they'll just block all of that so get on or slow it down or slow it down yeah in some situations though you can block it yeah they'll go oh you're encrypted I don't like it yeah I don't know whatever it is I don't care I don't know what the Americans specific version if they'll be able to block websites but like there was an issue up here and I don't know what actually happened with it but tell us a local is B tell us decided to block the website I can't support you guys anymore if you support pie we're not what can we say that sounded like are you not in favor of net neutrality I know it's legal in a lot of places but hold off on the reefer for a moment they're like look I don't know where that came from unless you're super stoned there's there's issues with small business right now we are in like Amazon's North America I know Facebook is huge I know Apple is huge I know all these other companies are huge we are in Amazon's North America and Amazon is gobbling up small business there's a lot of small business that still exists on the web whether that's brick-and-mortar that do a lot of work through the web or advertised through the web or have a website where people can see all their stuff whatever all of that is going to get less traffic if it's slow and crappy or if you have to pay to access it than other things this was extremely damaged small business yeah there you apparently I'm faking it I don't know what I'm faking it's not an orgasm though if I was faking that you'd know it would be really convincing all right let's move on to the next topic shall we do you not know that well no you'd know that I was doing something right yeah even though something was going on ah the original article here there's there's I don't I don't like the obscene pitchfork hanging I like I don't understand at all how anyone thought that we were defending what are you doing I fight with reason guys come on um yeah well when you don't have it you can't reach for whatever weapons in the arse again I'm happy that you happen to be fighting for the same side that I'm on but like come on easy easy easy brain a little bit okay okay last thing I'll mention is that some people were pointing out that those Portugal screenshots were a little bit misrepresentative of what was going on Andrew but actually changes nothing yeah about any of this and I'm not super surprised because the only answer is treating the internet like a utility yeah that's the only one okay phone lines are great so BGR teases a potential Galaxy X a bendable phone Wow also one thing that I want to say on that topic yeah man if if Portugal screenshot thing is fake don't share it fake news stuff is not gonna help your argument yeah it doesn't help anybody it hurts your argument you're gonna get caught you're gonna look like an idiot anyways moving forward so the galaxy X looks nothing like the iPhone X so that's cool um well we have here in terms of leaks we know that it's supposed to be bendable you've been trying to work on this for years now bendable displays have been considered kind of like a sort of a holy brewery futuristic technology yeah bendable battery that like yeah but it's the bendable display we've seen that like weird conferences you've seen people doing it for a while the bendable battery dress that's that's very interesting for me so support page went up on Samsung's website for an SMG 888 and 0 no information on what it is but that model number has been associated with galaxy X many times in the past it already received various certifications from regulators Wow including the Wi-Fi Alliance and Bluetooth SIG so the rumor is that the device will be so complicated to manufacture that it might see a limited launched before Samsung is able to produce it on mass so this is something Samsung's done before just doing a limited release in South Korea for example and then figuring out when if ever to roll it out to the rest of the world at a later date I personally think that this is gonna be a really interesting device because for the first time in I don't know the last okay you'll have to forgive me if I've missed a bunch in between because there was there have been big chunks of time when I haven't really paid much attention to mobile phones but the last time that I remember a phone that was really sold based on being a fashion statement aside from Apple because Apple does position their phone that way but they do it subtly like they have they try to sell you FaceTime or that you're gonna be do a pic kickflips or whatever and your friends are gonna record you in slow mode it's can be like awesome like they it's more of a like a lifestyle brand whereas the last phone that I remember that was really about how cool it looks and how cool you're gonna look when you use it was the Motorola RAZR yeah yeah that's that phone was absolutely about that that was what it was all about don't think anyone actually cared about any other part of it no so it was a pain to use it was like actually two things I never had one yeah so I never had one either but like I touched one I was like yeah this is super dumb um so this since then would be maybe if not the first the best example I've seen because I don't think this thing is gonna be powerful I don't think it's gonna be powerful and I think it's gonna have to not be powerful because they're gonna have to make compromises on things like battery life I don't think the display is necessarily gonna be the highest resolution because this brand new manufacturing technology we're talking about so I think this is going to be the phone that is pure fashion statement and it's going to finally happen where phones have gotten powerful enough for most people that you'll be able to produce something with very mainstream specs and that's what I think this will have that is just cool and that's kind of that's actually quite exciting so I was talking to someone about this he was literally last night about how phones have gone to the point where like they're all pretty much the same there isn't really a lot going on like like the the craziest thing that happened was Apple released like a really weird phone and like they like turned the camera thing which was a fashion thing related to razor like you're talking about earlier or the the was it called that really thin phone the Motorola RAZR Motorola ready yeah okay let's just making sure that I didn't pull that name in um but but but like it's it's it's mostly a fashion phone with like weird face recognition stuff and that's not that surprising and Samsung going in a similar location is is actually with the same name which is hilarious is it's probably good because in terms of internals there's not a lot going on they all the same freaking processor they're all running the same freaking stuff it's become boring the battle for the inside of the phone mm-hmm yeah it's um I've reviewed a lot of phones in the last couple of months and they've all been pretty similar yeah so so doing something interesting with the body of the phone is out cool that's awesome that's like exactly what they should have moved into next you know it's not awesome this segue into something that's not awesome posted by dr. McIntosh on the forum the original article is from qz comm so that could have been a good segue except I mean did you just intentionally trashed it google admits that they'd been collecting Android users locations even when location services are disabled oops what upsy daisy's so they've said that they didn't use the location data they collected using this service they never used or stored it and the company is now taking steps to end the practice this is a quote by the end of November Android phones will no longer send cell tower location data to Google at least as part of this particular service which consumers cannot disable so what was going on for a while is even if you disabled location services didn't use apps and didn't have a SIM card Android phones would be gathering your location data based on cell towers and transmitting it back to Google notices since the beginning of 2017 so basically at this point like we're gonna continue talking about this but at this point from from the topic that we haven't talked about yet which is the Oberer topic where they like leaked an obscene amount of user data didn't report it for like a year and paid hackers to cover it up to nearly as bad as that are you sure well okay if we believe Google's story about this then it's not nearly as bad as that because what they're saying is in January this year and and it's only been this year and they're saying that's only been an entire year they're saying that we looked into using cell ID codes as an additional signal to further improve the speed and performance of message delivery we never incorporated into the network sync system so the data was immediately discarded okay so like I don't know if I trust that but sure so yeah the idea was they were using the addresses of multiple towers to triangulate a phone's location something that they basically what I was saying is if you want any form of privacy just don't use electronic devices and don't know anyone who uses electronic devices yeah or that are connected to anything yeah if they're not connected to anything you're good yeah so why don't we get into the uber thing yeah oh my god this is actually kind of trash uber paid hackers to delete stolen data on fifty-seven million people I mean at least they at least they paid the ransom um this was posted by blue chinchilla eating Doritos on the forum and the original article here is from Bloomberg what garbage whoa is it just me or has did uber not position themselves as like the good guy New Age company that was gonna like be like guys like all the taxis that into the garbage can and then threw gasoline on top of it and then threw like TNT on top of it and then threw all that into a furnace and were just like yeah that's basically what so there's a lot of people really excited about being able to tip through her I'm not and you want to know why because I thought the entire point of this I thought the entire point of uber was that we were doing away with the things that were wrong with the cab industry and that's that you never know how much to pay cabbies are jerks if you are if you don't tip them really well I've legitimately had my bags thrown on the ground because I didn't tip enough and I thought that they were supposed to pay the drivers adequately such that that wasn't going to be an issue anymore and see I didn't think the idea was that they were gonna like nickel and dime the drivers to the point where then they go oh you know what actually the boatloads of money that we're making oh you know what we're not gonna give those seat to the driver could you top them up actually you you the passenger like yeah yeah why don't you top them up let's go let's do it the way the cabbies did it are you kidding me and it drives me kinda nuts because I really liked that as well I like not having to deal with that but I would have rather paid more natively and not had to tip me too because now I'm in this weird situation where I know that they're not getting we don't have over here so I literally only ran into this once since the tip update came out yeah it's not cheaper anymore at all no and you still have to tend you have to tip and like legitimately feel like a jerk if you don't tip yeah because they're not getting paid enough which is just like a thing uber drivers are not paid very well so what can you just charge me more so I don't have to do that oh I tipping is actually done I hate tipping you know I want everyone to make the right amount of money and I want to pay you more for things I don't want to not tip it's the same with the thing with loot boxes like this is a not great opinion I wish games costed more really super unpopular opinion tell me more I'm shy had popcorn at this yeah yeah like everyone in the chat is currently loading firearms attack sure yeah you're right sometimes haven't gone up in a long time mm-hmm yeah I think ass nest game was about 50 bucks it's they've been pretty similarly priced for a long time and that was 20 Wow and there's arguments for the other side like you don't even sell freakin physical games anymore so it should probably cost less yeah but there's a lot of risk involved with making a game yeah it's also more expensive to make a game it's also way more expensive way more to make a game these days indie Studios are taking huge risk on games and then are not expected to charge more than like $20 for a game yeah because a lot of any games are like 15 25 bucks I would and to compensate these things and you can all say whatever the heck you want you can tell me I'm wrong you can help me no digital distribution is cheaper you tell me no there's more gamers now you tell me no homme there's there's more mainstream gamers now meaning that a lot more games to be purchased in general yeah sure say whatever you want they're compensating for the fact that they're not increasing the price of the game with boxes and other weird crappy things like cosmetic purchasing now with certain games in my opinion to make sense sure Liga Legends is free you can buy skins that's great sounds good how have fun League of Legends and games like that that are free games that sell some skins I don't really care about that with something like destiny - in destiny - I paid full price for the game mm-hmm I have to pay for every freaking little damn DLC thing that they want to release for every single little boss in Peach Luke that they want to keep going and there's the bright engrams store where you buy randomized loot boxes that give you cosmetic items back in the day you would play the game to get the freaking cosmetic items and it actually dilutes from the game this is something that I don't like we called it questing yeah in most games that has something like that you would go on a quest in WoW you would get the new cool item you could wear it around town it sounds good what this actually hurts is it literally makes it so that there isn't as much to do in the game right because like killing the butcher a bunch of none of the butchers about example because he always drops the cleaver but yeah whatever someone else who drops a special drop like once every 20 times you want to go there and you want to do it with your friends you want to get your friends on to go play it because you want that item now you can just buy it that literally takes content out of the game essentially because you're not going to do it as much because you don't care because you could just spend $2 to buy it and that $2 is probably worth your time so you might actually do that cosmetic items and loot boxes are cancerous literally they are eating away at games and breaking them down and diluting them and making them worse current games are worse systems if you've ever bought one you're the problem yeah there you go loot boxes are essentially tipping I don't like tipping I don't like loot boxes I would rather pay more and buy the whole damn thing and be able to experience the whole game okay I want to push harder I want to get all my friends on I want to fight and push that boss in freaking what is it called the raid whatever in destiny too I did it once - twice one we're already done what what we cleared it like the first time I tried it that's ridiculous what happened to that there's no like effort that I said go into games anymore not all games I know but a lot of them cuphead great game but then there's no I don't really care about doing it again there's no like special ship that I can get from there there's no special Sparrow that I can get from there can I pick something sure okay one of the problems and I understand you're all gonna hate me it's okay they don't actually oh one of the problems that DLC songs or that some kind of ongoing payment system solves is the server uptime and the feast or famine nature of being a game developer we're not every game can be counter-strike know I'd still be selling literally twenty years yeah after it first comes out and that is a huge issue something very unpopular that I'd probably be better off just not saying it all so yeah what happened was I accidentally bumped the Machine which seems to be causing it to blue screen right now for some reason so it probably just needs a like take apart reseed everything put it back together anyway so I was hanging around with the monolith guys yeah a couple weeks ago yeah and what was interesting about this was that I was hanging around in a game studio for a game that for our game studio that just released the game like a two-year effort game just launched and there were still lots of people still employed still with jobs okay now hold on a second now you can think about this from the perspective of the the individual like the the worker okay the the artist or the programmer or whatever the case may be obviously people prefer to have a steady flow of income and predictable employment with benefits etc etc etc and you could kind of go well you know what they knew what they were signing up for in the game industry baby baby baby too bad for them okay step back for a second that may all be true but what about the company one of the biggest challenges as a company is attracting talent attracting and retaining good talent if you want to have a chance in a highly competitive industry like the games industry and you can see why this evolution is happening you need to be able to offer employment packages to people that might include free lunches or super fancy $1,200 chairs or whatever perks it is that elsewhere in the industry companies are offering or you are gonna end up with no staff the inability to make any game let alone a good one and you are going to go out of business so effectively what's happening is whether you agree or not whether you like it or not the fact that this business model works is turning anyone who doesn't adopt it into dinosaurs and the problem is not the workers if they have the option and if you say that you wouldn't you're either a liar or you're a unicorn okay if they have the option to take a job that will continue and gives them lots of benefits and that they can rely on getting up in the morning and going to like you know think about someone like a composer you know monolith has a dedicated composer who does the music for all their games so what do they really stag a man it's just like so yeah I guess you better go find some other music to compose if he has the option to take the job that's SIA or the jobs man so wait continues because he still do he's composing music for cutscenes and DLCs and all that kind of stuff but I don't think anyone's upset with that know what people are upset about is is the fact that this this culture of microtransactions exists and that it's that is making it so that okay so you're saying they should just charge more for the game in the first place but that still wouldn't solve the problem the feast or famine problem because no business is gonna forecast going okay we're gonna charge 130 dollars for our game and then we're just going to keep everyone on staff and make no money for that and we'll just pay out of out of our coffers for like the year until we're like getting close to the next release and then it's crunch time and everyone will just kind of work that whole time like that's not viable I think you could have because I think DLC being planned for because this is something that seems to trigger people is DLC being planned for before the release and it's planned for before the release because that's the way that you avoid feast or famine and that's you provide a steady job and so some people scream about that yeah oh my god you're releasing the game you already have a release date for DLC that's crazy buh-buh-bah yeah I don't think of that is hurting thing I don't I'm not a huge fan of course I would like every single thing in existence to be in the game when I buy it right away sure whatever but I don't think that is ultimately that terrible what I would prefer they did was have a steady schedule of releases so I actually like the concept of what Destiny's released idea is which is that DLCs over time I bought destiny 2 with the amount of stuff that I've done within destiny 2 I am happy with my initial purchase of destiny - I would like more please sir I will buy your next DLC raid and I will fight osiris that sounds good that sounds like a good transaction thank you very much I knew that was coming I'm happy to pay for it I'm happy with my initial purchase I'm sure I will be happy with the Osiris DLC I am pissed off about the bright engrams that's a separate thing entirely and I wish that I had more to do in the game because of which the bright engrams weren't there I would have been happier to pay more for the DLC that's coming up and I would have been happy to pay more for the initial game if the bright and grams were not in the game all the content and items that are in the brighter games were in the game and there was mechanical processes to get those things right so I'm totally okay with DLC I loved the idea one of my favorite things ever was the battle chess for Warcraft 3 where you get the game in the expansion and if you went at the beginning and you bought the base game and then Frozen Throne comes out and you're like oh my god it's good that was awesome it doesn't make as much sense anymore because while I love that model and I would prefer that model it doesn't make as much sense anymore it's a very difficult thing to pull off something to that I think we're all forgetting is how pissed off we were about that model back when it first showed up with broodwar I wasn't okay a lot of people a lot of people were a lot of people were pissed off that all of a sudden they had a copy of a game Starcraft that wasn't compatible with in multiplayer with all their friends okay that's that's pretty poo but a lot of a lot of studios have fixed that you can have the newer the multiplayer is on its own layer and then single players on is only I I do agree with that but there's been trash at every stage and we've been mad every time yeah I think this is a new tier of trash in my opinion probably I think I'm getting old loot well yeah that's true and I've thought about that too though but this is the first time that it's reduced the content that there is in a game right okay that is directly there is actionable reasons why these cosmetic items because there's there's no way you're gonna look at a game like destiny - that is extremely about what your character looks like and go there really isn't that many cosmetic options when you make destiny - you would have made that game with a lot of cosmetic quests and weird things maybe an option for this thing that's kind of tedious and annoying and most people aren't gonna do it but then this one dude is gonna go know what this is gonna be my thing I'm gonna have the watermelon colored armor that requires you to kill these one dudes a whole bunch for whatever reason and no one else is going to do it never want to look at me and think that I'm cool because I did it that's content that's being able to show up when you're in your buddies fireteam and he goes oh wow cool you got that thing you got the hand of Ragnar O's you kill drag so many times that you got the hand of Regnerus that's amazing that's super it does no damage but it looks cool not directly lining up but like there's there's there's there's no no I know my point is just like sometimes you go and you get a unique item just for the sake of having it not because it's yeah yeah like like the idea of transmog so I was talking about this the other day the idea of transmog drives me crazy to transmog is the idea of being able to take an item and make it look like another okay that in my opinion dilutes the idea of the original item yeah and makes it easier for people to digest the idea of just paying money to look cool instead of playing the game to look cool I think transmog is like the gateway drug of just paying money for something to look cool because you can just make things look like whatever you want and the game becomes less about actually working and getting the cool things yeah I don't know so there's there's there's situations in games like destiny too and lots of other games where you can look at something like the raid or look at something like another piece of content and go there should be more here there should be another objective there should be a side thing there should be whatever so that I can get this other item that should be in this game and probably is just hidden behind a paid box and it sucks when that objective that goal that mission that quest that whatever is no longer in the game because someone probably thought about it it might have even been there on a certain build of the game and then someone else went hey that's a cosmetic item we can probably get away with putting that in the loot box that makes me sad Elon Musk wanna bet yeah our original article from ARS technica he said he would finish the world's largest battery installation in a hundred days or it was free it has 100 mega watts capacity a world record and they finished it on time 100 sorry 100 and 100 mega watt 129 mega watt hour battery installations a huge capacity and huge power delivery capability and it's the largest mega watt rating for any grid connected battery installation in the world and one of the snarky asides in the article is that this may be the first time that Elon Musk has ever delivered anything let alone early so you have to make him bet that's that's the hope he figured out because apparently musk said it would have cost Tesla 50 million dollars or more if the company failed to meet the deadline so I guess he was like alright sure let's do it that's what cool oh my gosh Pokemon go Creator raises two hundred million dollars ahead of a Harry Potter game launch you're gonna play it DOS I don't even like don't even pretend to to be like oh those silly people who are gonna play a Harry Potter game shut up I to be fair I did drop off of Pokemon go pretty quick yeah but that's not what I said I said you're gonna play this the biggest thing that annoys me about ya Niantic neon tech whatever everyone cone is that everything seems so half-assed like I used to play yeah what was it called ingress yeah yeah I used to play ingress a lot back when like not that many people played ingress I even played ingress win the game hadn't released in South Korea and I played Harry Potter there's only people playing it or traveling Potter was cool you're like an Etzel and I go hipster that's sad excellent I had control of like most of Seoul it was it was pretty freakin cool but I remember even playing that game I was like wow this is really you know I'm really just clicking the button and tapping it a bunch and nothing else really happens it's it's all super randomized there's really not a lot of substance to this game really cool concept oh so I'm going to keep trying hopefully they update it and hopefully it's cool and then Pokemon go came out it was like wow they really just skimmed the previous game there's really not a lot going people apparently don't believe we're live because the time on the computer is wrong Oh that's the right time wait what yeah they're just drunk a lot of people don't understand that Canada is really big it's dry yeah I got a question all the time what time is it in Canada I'm just like oh man that's not a thing cuz you know what you know what not making matters we should we should just do it we should have a Canada times Google is not helping okay because if you Google what time is it in can my god you actually see this is the problem Canada is they really do think they are the only Canada yeah um so just like I'm surprised it's not Toronto though but yeah they're just what time is it so that's our capital that's what time it is in our capital in not our capital it is literally three hours earlier yeah and then if you go further east it gets literally an hour and a half later yes that's right we have four and a half times and that is without some island in the middle of the Pacific America yeah we don't even need that to have four-and-a-half time zones okay yeah I'm gonna have in the States for I think I'm not in time no I think Eastern is as Eastern as it goes yeah Pacific to Eastern alright cuz we have what they have this here called does Alaska reach out into another one I'm not sure it might yeah oh there's anyone count Alaska I do free shipping on something it's lower 48 I mean they only count the lower 48 so why am I expected to keep which is I I know people from Alaska that are great people I know people from Alaska that are gonna heal me when classic Wow comes out so I have to be nice to them lordy alright so thanks guys for watching and we'll see you again next week same bat-time same bat-channel what are we gonna do about this we're gonna slice them together here somehow oh dear oscar has its own time zone I still don't count it I do know Alaska should be part of Canada I agree we screwed that up free back Black Friday
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