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No justice for stolen NCIX data.. - The WAN Show Jan 4 2019

2019-01-04
a it's when show time again everyone I've been having a lot of fun we actually just shot a crazy video so man it's not gonna be up for a while and I hate teasing stuff that's gonna be a really long time actually we shot two crazy videos today have you seen the sleeper Xbox I have not but I've seen progress it's amazing the finalized video though it's amazing the power led is RGB that's pretty cool one like not obvious thing about it yeah yeah yeah the front ports have been changed out for USB and work cool yeah they were circle yeah so you can plug controllers into it man like go full retro if you want but it also has a wireless Xbox controller adapter okay and it's got an RT X 27 T in it mmm with a six core processor so it's like nice powerful that's cool it's I've always really liked something like that console mods have always been cool and it's probably the best done like it's it's the most well equipped mod we've done yet so we actually ended up getting a metal break like just for this it was like $700 or something like oh yeah got like a big metal break so that we could make the like the metal tray that goes into the plastic chassis Wow yeah so that's fancy alex is getting all kinds of cool equipment over the next day and we're gonna do some very cool videos but no the one that I was just doing was um you know those mining cards you mean the bender it's called a metal Brad yeah yeah they like you you put the thing in the new why does it call the metal break isn't it a bender cool all right I was confused for a second then I was like wait no yeah I saw that I saw him doing it not my department all I see is the invoice all the Brasher yeah I believe you I just yeah I don't know but the one we just did was on those those mining GPUs that don't have any outputs and our driver a lot so that they can't be used for gaming okay yeah did you do something did you flash it ah you hacked very fun that's cool so we didn't actually looks like is that okay is this like two videos and one then it's no it's just one video okay cuz um but you convert a card to work for gaming yeah in that video yeah it's that's a packed video it's cheap it's really cheap it's like super cheap anyway we're not recommending it fire selling stay tuned stay tuned watch the video it sounds like a very do not recommend but a very fun project of the same it was fun yeah um so we've got a few kind of big stories for you guys today um four planes busy talking about whether or not I have a dent in my head that's fun I do in fact but I'm not going to tell you why do you yeah it's less obvious but it's here give me your finger I see yours yeah but it's right here oh yeah yeah it's pretty pretty denting here there you go yeah we have dents in our head it's it runs from here but it's like much shallower here so it's less all good yeah all the way back to about here okay yeah I think it's actually from hitting my head mine is too I'm not sure though okay cuz I didn't ok well that's very sure about mine okay so what I did was I was running around I must have been about I must have been I wasn't school-aged yet it's my one memory from before school okay so that would lead me to think that I probably tell me yours first though okay I don't know exact age I'm guessing three or four my mom's in the doctor's office yeah I'm chilling with her in the doctor's office fortunately you were in a doctor's I know exact that's this is like the best part about the whole story I'm sitting on a chair and I both I can't show the stream that's but I both my hands grabbing the edge of the chair yeah and I'm just kind of like dude to do and I just don't walk too far no I just went too far and just I'm so I'm probably like two or three so I just don't catch myself doctor he just picks me up puts me on the table stitch back together I guess you're good to go way later down the line we figured I have like this yeah give it crack kind of thing in my skull but it's fine so sounds good cool yeah so I was playing uh chase me daddy game boy and I was in socks and there was a hardwood floor involved and so my dad was renovating our house for the umpteenth bazillion of time and doing it himself and so you know everything was always kind of in a state of semi-finished in the house that I grew up in and anyway I go so I go whipping around a corner my legs go out and he had just removed the door that I was running through and the hinge was still so as far as I can tell the angle of it lines up such that I I smoked the exposed like the cylinder hinge cylinder and so it actually didn't break the skin I didn't bleed but I hit my head really hard holy cow I'm like I still remember how upset I was yeah and like that feeling that was probably the first time in my life that I was really I have no control right now whatever happens is gonna happen and I hurt myself a lot like that wasn't the sensation that I like it's more of an emotional memory that I'm sorry hurts me yeah I was going full bore like I was only like three or four or whatever but I was like going God so there you have it guys you're getting the news today from people who have this is pre like people knowing about her caring about concussions yeah but we both are DHS dented heads yeah yeah I was just I was picking up what you were throwing down right there the connection makes a little more sense um so we've got an X data breach update for you guys yes also flow plane has a competitor we're gonna be talking about that and other floatplane news what else are we going on there's a migration that's still going on well it's time for them more later okay let's go ahead and roll the intro oops I clicked the wrong thing well that ship has sailed down I guess we won't be showing the sponsor logos after the intro anymore alright so what do we want to do first do we want to get right into the NCIX data breach update I want to drop a migration thingy early I'm not gonna get into I'm just gonna do a quick thing like you can tell where he actually works so as a lot of you but apparently not everyone know we are migrating payments from Lana tech tips calm to Oakland calm for flow plane subscriptions if you have a floatplane subscription check out on the forum there's a banner at the top of the forum explaining everything or if for some reason you don't see that you can go to the ltte official forum and then in there there's a pinned post talking about the migration you cancel your sub and move over to flow plan calm I'll keep it nice and short and go with that if you cancel your subscription on the forum this is something a lot of people seem to be confused about if you cancel your subscription on the forum you don't lose access to your sign-in option based account on full plane comm your account is still linked everything's fine it's just a sign-in option it's not tied to your subscription being on Form it's just a sign-in option everything's cool you can still log in you're fine and by the way if you want to convert that sign an option account to a full account just sign in with the forum go to your account go to settings reset your password and then now it's a full account or a sign-in option account they're both great there you go more information on the forum huzzah now do you want to talk about the NCIS rage so this was posted by Rima gonne the forum the original article is from the c b:c court blocks actually we should do some background here first so for the uninitiated I used to work at a Canadian computer retailer called NCIX um as did as did I sort of sort of yeah yours was a little more ya applicated like they didn't even they didn't even try to retain you like when there was a situation where I was trying to take someone else with me for founding Linus Media Group and they were like no if you're gonna take that person you're gonna get nothing and with Luke just like sure does he even work here technically not well sir I was a contractor it wasn't even an employee same with that yeah they just gave zero apps about you guys like see that's the thing they don't even recognize some of their best talent they're just like let it walk out the front door and then they tried to restart the channel afterwards but they let us go which was like okay anyway anyway so I used to work at once if you're not familiar with NCIX they were kind of like Canadian Newegg and Canadian Micro Center but because they're Canadian they were just like smaller and crappier in every way than either of companies I'm not crappier in every way the Newegg they've done some pretty they've done some interesting there's some interesting stuff that's happened over there actually you know what and I don't know anything about Micro Center you know what they were smaller that's all I'll say anywho they went out of business over II was over a year ago holy crap like late last year and in the course of going out of business it became even more apparent to those of us who had worked there and I guess became apparent to the people who didn't work there how poorly run certain aspects of the business were and one particular aspect of the business that was in shockingly poorly run as it came to light was its data security and its management of private information yeah so there was a leak that came to light I don't I don't remember so I'm not gonna guess but it came to light sometime after the company announced its closure and the bankruptcy auction which I actually attended that was really it was both kind of he was both interesting and like kind of emotional it was interesting you can check out the video there's actually two parts but after the bankruptcy auction it emerged that some of the servers which I had actually raised questions about in my video not the server specifically but the mountains of customer data that were just sitting there on pallets on the auction floor they weren't for sale there wasn't a lot number on them but like it was just there nothing would have prevented me from sitting there and opening box of invoices and looking through and just reading people's addresses and phone numbers it's like it was right there and so it really came to light that the handling of private data and this whole endeavor was not being done very well and one of the things that a lot of people wondered about is what about the servers cuz NCI X's servers were on they used it started using AWS about three years before we went down I guess but I think it was mostly as a load balancing or like traffic spike it's the word I'm looking for mitigation strategy so the site itself was for the most part hosted out of servers in the warehouse itself yeah so that means that all the user data any authentication that they were doing it was all handled in-house and to put this in perspective when I started and it wasn't quite this bad by the time I left but when I started the server room was quite literally those I don't think you ever saw this those metal wire like racks that you get at Costco or whatever with old towers like like full of old towers like 30 plus 40 plus old towers many of them just running like Doran's that was literally what ran the NCIX website back in that must have been around 2012 no no no no because LEDs been around for six years holy crap I gotta sell AJ on doing that what have been around six years before that so save some money on infrastructure would have been like 2005 2005 2006 that era that was already unacceptable like even then yeah so anyway what happened was the servers showed up in a Craigslist ad so it turned out that the story as far as I've been able to follow along with is that the auctioneer sold the servers as physical Hardware without any due diligence having been done either by NCIX or its bankruptcy trustee or the auctioneer actually there three parties here that didn't do any due diligence as far as I can tell we're sold just as Hardware without actually wiping them yeah because the so the landlord was frustrated because apparently they didn't get paid for some amount of months or whatever so they were trying to fire sell stuff to get money back that's why there was the auction so the landlord didn't care and they were just like dude so the landlord was arranging I think the landlord servers I think the landlord sold the server okay okay so there's yet another issue here Wow there if you want a really really good recount of the history of how all this kind of stuff came together there's privacy fly comm slash articles /nc X underscore breach or just Google privacy fly NC x breach but basically what happened was the servers however the person got them showed up for sale on Craigslist not as servers but as specifically servers with credit card information address information names phone numbers Social Insurance numbers which is the Canadian equivalent of a social security number a number that you unless you're under witness protection like cannot change in your life and is the kind of thing that is required like an employer has to collect it in order to create the t4 which is our like annual tax form and all that kind of stuff to make sure that people aren't working illegally like this is actually very important information for identity thieves to get their hands on and they were specifically selling either I think it was like partial the data or all the data or the servers with the data if you didn't want the data getting out to anyone else and it has been confirmed that that data even though the police did raid the guy and confiscate the servers oh its own it has been confirmed that that data is out there so anyone who shopped at NCIX or especially worked there because they have even more information about you yeah I mean yeah and her yeah and other her and tons of other people and it doesn't matter anyway the point is our data is out there so you have to make sure that you're doing everything you can to protect it which I've taken all the sort of usual steps and I'm not going to talk too much about what I've done by don't it's done luckily I was somewhat more protected than you were although not as protected as a customer was because I was also a customer because contractor has some barriers compared to employees and my side is not as screwed on so the inference is just on there a lot of it was unencrypted I actually got an apology note encrypted saying you know I did everything I could and sorry I kind of said ok what did they do I don't know if I can tell nothing not enough I have tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas dban is really hard the thing that kind of baffles me about all of this really is ok so the thing with a bankruptcy trustee is that they'll come in like unexpectedly so that you won't have a chance to like you know walk out of the office with a bunch of GTX whatever's you know to just flip on Craigslist after the fact like that's a thing that there's someone in lock the doors but like and snacks must have known that it was closed like if I knew that sometime in the next month I've already let all of the staff go sometime in the next month or so you know that might be the time to kind of like encrypts and drives yeah I'm not saying delete everything like like pour gasoline on it and light it on fire I'm saying maybe at least in credit or pour gasoline on and land on fire or that or dban it depends really easy Derek's new thing is like there was a whole thing where the original owner slash trustee had a disagreement about who owned the IP of like the actual platform on which the site was built because it was like sort of a separate company blah blah Blee tried to buy it at one point yeah anyway one of the things that they disagreed who owned was the actual customer data and that was something they were actually trying to sell so they didn't want to just light it on fire okay but you can anyway I'm gonna jump in and say one quick thing about the landlord thing apparently n2x is previous landlord a bit was owed about $150,000 in past due rent now and they had abandoned the hardware there the landlord decided to try to recover some of the money at the abandoned warehouse so they worked with someone named Jeff in exchange for trying to recover some of the money he was able to copy the source code and database because he claimed it was to help his development team on a project so he got the source code for the web site and all the database information and all the servers because he was given them in order to try to sell them so then he just copied all the data off him okay so cool that's really great right sorry Nick I will get to you in one second here we're just cut we're getting through this like very heavy topic here yes yeah no one probably wants it anyway it's probably not worth it okay ah shoot I forget where I was gonna go with this but anyway so this whole thing happened a lot of people were really mad and so there was a proposed class-action suit yeah about that where people were like they were mad I mean that's how class-action suits against land and people's like full customer information including full address and credit card number and everything and employees like very important information was all leased this will cause financial damage yes in some form will yeah or probably has already yeah so they were alleging that there is a massive personal data breach and that they should be compensated in some way but the ruling on it so far is that the class action will not be allowed to proceed against the trustee for the bankrupt NCIX and that is the Bolar group other defendants included NC axis landlord this is the really confusing thing I don't know how NC acts managed to owe their landlord so much because they actually owned that building up until the fire sale leading up to NCIX ultimately dissolving so they couldn't have been owing their landlord that much because they wouldn't have been paying rent until the ownership of the building actually changed now that's more common than you would think a company selling the building that it occupies no I erase I understand that part I don't understand that like this I am they had a lot of building space but it still shouldn't have been a hundred and fifty grand I don't they do not a lot of building space though in a pretty high desirable well I can tell I can tell you based on what I know about commercial lease rates which I know a thing or two about I can tell you that that building probably cost in the neighborhood of forty plus thousand dollars a month to lease so it could have been three months yeah so okay maybe it's not that unbelievable maybe they literally never paid them after they saw the building that could have happened they could have sold the building and never paid back yo we just gave you like thirteen million dollars we know you have the money like what a complicated relationship that is yeah um okay so the potential defendants for the Bowa group the trustee NCIX is landlord and the company responsible for auctioning off the computer firms old equipment so the plaintiff former NCIX customer Warner Kipling says he gave the company his name address and debit and credit card details and claims the firm failed to properly encrypt that information and the personal data of at least a quarter million people the thing that irks me on this part is they didn't even it doesn't even seem like they tried like it's not like they had a security system in place and there was a failure or a breach it was like they had unencrypted data and they gave it away so because NCIX is bankrupt the claim against it was state automatically what money there's no money now it's possible to sue the trustee but only with the express leave of the court this extra step is necessary to protect officers of the court including trustees from baseless frivolous or vexatious lawsuits which was either which would otherwise interfere with the due administration of the bankruptcy estate so supreme court master described the plaintiff's evidence as inherently unreliable and as bear allegations not supported by fact the plaintiff has not satisfied even the relatively low threshold required to justify the court exercising its discretion in favor of leave she said that there simply wasn't enough admissible evidence to allow the claim to proceed so here's the evidence Morna submitted an affidavit swearing his belief that customer databases were mishandled during bankruptcy proceedings under the supervision of the trustee there was a post on the cyber cyber security website privacy fly by Travis turning during excuse me and he alleged he'd seen customers financial information and the personal tax details of former NCIX employees anyway if I during filed an affidavit not affidavit on behalf of Warner but it is very difficult to extract any admissible and reliable evidence from that document there's information taken from blog posts and YouTube videos created by two people who said they attended the NCIX equipment auction however warned and did not obtain legal affidavits from those two people so the response is that it's inherently inherently unreliable and amounts to double hearsay Richmond RCMP opened an investigation into the breach in September but that ended without police recommending any charges and basically people's privacy has been compromised but there's really the biggest problem I have no other chase is what's this essentially opened a door for any I guess Canadian company in the future to just willfully sell em any data they want now that's deficient illegal has not been set for that being okay they just haven't allowed this case to move forward okay so if you do it even slightly under the table you're almost certainly fine unless that is so if the data could actually don't recommend anything I'm just saying like they got away with it pretty if if Warner here had the data set and went I obtained this illegally here it is I mean a that might put him at all no trouble problem but anyway that wouldn't be double hearsay that would be here's the actual data that would be more difficult to ignore yeah so we can't say that under different circumstances this might not have gone differently but what we do to at least seize the servers as far as I know yeah I don't know if they had been wiped already though I don't think we've gotten any further update on that but the point is a lot of people's data is out there and we should all be really careful about who we give our data to because in the that that entity disappears there's absolutely nothing that can really be done to this is a part of the reason gdpr is a thing on actually you know the subject of people who are not necessarily working in your best interests having control of your data ties into a lot of the reason for that potential floatplane I think competitors probably the wrong word but potential alternative video platform that is also being worked on in the same space being created yeah but first I will let Nick jump in with whatever it is that he needs I'm sorry Nick you were standing there for a while my angel bird should be here I think it's been here for a long time I don't know where it is theoretically it's not in my office I think it was given to an editor like over two years ago and never returned so I have no idea where it is it's it's not gonna be found so in other news what are they called again yeah they don't have a name is it no they don't aim for it okay there's there's multiple sections where they talk about I think that video is probably the most direct in terms of talking about it let me see if I can find this I wouldn't play it no I'm not going to I don't want like yeah yeah basically though here's the page so Jordan Peterson certainly a polarizing figure uploaded a video called goodbye to patreon on January 1st 2019 so this was three days ago and basically the summary is that well there's a lot of stuff in there that I'm not gonna unpack on this show but the summary is that right now the position that PayPal MasterCard Visa the the main one that I know of is MasterCard yeah and the like but well it's that the processors yeah is one of such power that it has the potential to cause enormous problems for freedom of expression and that is something that we have actually been discussing already because of what's been going on over at patreon and we have already been working on our own contingency plans for for a floatplane yeah but in a nutshell what happened was a couple of again I'm just gonna call them polarizing figures because that's the easiest most neutral way that I can go about this and that really is our position Switzerland yeah a couple of polarizing figures were recently Bend from patreon removed from the platform forcibly in some cases over actions that they had taken that were not actually even on the patreon platform yeah patreon is position in all of this has been that we're sorry this has to happen but it has to happen because at the end of the day if MasterCard doesn't like something that you said over there and tells us if we allow money to be funneled to you then they're just gonna pull the ability for us to accept mastercard money outright from the site which would hurt thousands tens of thousands of other creators then we just are gonna have to kick you off to throw patreon a ball here they're in a really rough spot MasterCard and payment processors or whoever put them in a very very awkward position where they are being effectively forced to play moral police in a way that I don't think was ever really in their vision um you know patreon has certainly drawn lines in the sand for what type of content they allow on their platform but this was not one that they had traditionally drawn and they are putting in a position where they are not even the ones who are able to dictate what's on their platform and it's not even about what's on their platform because in at least one of these cases the infraction so to speak took place off platform of patreon so it was just a particular individual that had been specifically targeted by the payment processor someone saying here correction in interview someone Jaclyn Smith I don't know who that is said it was completely patreon I don't know okay I don't know so we do know from our own dealings with payment processors that that doesn't seem that likely yeah yep I don't think we should go way too deep into that now the payment processors are very it is it is shocking how many arbitrary lines in the sand appear to be drawn so on the one hand I can pull my visa out of my pocket in a convenience store and I can buy a porno mag on the other hand if I am an online business then being able to accept money from that payment processor for unauthorized content which isn't clearly documented anywhere could all of a sudden be a big no-no fly yeah we don't have a clear answer because they don't answer those kinds of questions so we we understand the position that people are in and as we've alluded to before we have our own mitigation strategies that we are already working on yeah but basically I guess that's just the news that alternative video platforms with potentially millions of dollars of fundings so I think you had said that he's kind of alluded to a project he's talking about working on a so in this video he talks about how they they were originally planning on going online with their alternative on January 15th which would if you can even assume remotely how much work would have to go into something like this if it's gonna have a chance of not being blown out of the water in terms of costs from stuff like AWS it's gonna take a little while to build so I assume they've been working on something for a while my vibe from this video was a little different from yours though like it sounds pretty early stages they did they did however say that they're pulling back and they're not actually launching on the 15th but regardless they somewhat like they're launching very soon I hope for their sake they're not setting themselves up on a sewer or AWS or something because don't you tank themselves they could have done it much more quickly than us that way though yes so floatplane is not set up in the same way it is built using or much more it's hard to find the right word without it sounding bad affordable approach yeah well but it's sustainable yeah that was the point if you drop one thing if you think about the amount of if you think what the companies that have setups like AWS like a zoo or something like that all of them have an online video platform that is somehow attached to their company yes all of them bandwidth out for all of them is disproportionately expensive for no really explained reason I wonder why what takes a lot of bandwidth on the internet video they don't really want competing companies to pop up in terms of video platforms it is not in Amazon's best interest no for twitch to continue to exist independently taking up what percentage of like web traffic with explicit from points like that I don't it was enormous yes ma'am I couldn't remember live streaming is very demanding so so I mean okay yes we're wearing our tinfoil hats what Microsoft video platform is mixer lol there's one yep yep I mean microsoft also has the ability you have the ability mr. by content in the yeah yes the ability to buy content in the Xbox Marketplace for example I don't forget what it's called it's called Xbox store now I don't I know it doesn't matter the point is Microsoft serves plenty of video don't worry about it yep it's a thing so we're going a little tinfoil hat here but the point is we did it our way for a specific reason and that reason was that we have always seen Google as a valuable partner at line or a group because especially at the very beginning we relied on Google for our very existence if Google turned turned us off then we would just not exist and so we have been planning for the eventualities where Google might just shut us off or shut YouTube off in general or decide arbitrarily okay we're gonna instead of doing a 60/40 cut on Adsense we're gonna do ninety ten haha what are you gonna do about it we've been preparing ourselves for that eventualities so there are valued partner but we trust them about as far as we can throw them you think about how big Google is that's probably not very far and well to be clear at the same time too in basically all realms of business you want to diversify your income stream so you can survive whatever so balance that was why the forum wasn't a Facebook page that was why floatplane wasn't going to be built on AWS because it's not just Google it's just anyone putting yourself in a position where your means of existence is solely reliant on the whims of forces that are much larger than yourself it's just it's not it's not smart and it's not a great idea so to the best of your ability I would encourage anyone to to work towards less reliance on one singular thing yes not having all your eggs in one basket I mean it all comes back to it should we stop speaking it should be like announce the feature that we're using right now for in it speaking of like we want to promote not using one single pairing so I forget what feature it is what feature are we using right now the streaming thing oh yeah right that's really cool oh cool yeah this isn't available for all creators on flow plane yet we're like kind of yeah we're like kind of beta testing it with ltte but if we really well I promise you we'll hear from Luke very soon if you haven't already about getting live-streaming going for you yeah so but we have a really cool feature which is basically rtmp on our side so we have it set up where you can stream to floatplane do you want to explain what rtmp is it's like a restream with the yeah I go okay I'm doing that right thank you so you stream to float plane and then pump punch in your keys for YouTube and twitch and whoever else but that's all we have right now but it's not really hard so whoever else theoretically we could support kind of anything that supports rtmp sources right streaming sources yeah yeah that should be No just streaming sources in general yeah so yeah right now this stream is going to flow plane and my coming from flow plane to twitch and youtube so we are handling that on our side because that's something that is confusing and tricky for a lot of creators you have to set up a server you have to do all this other kind of junk do some command line things and that's above a lot of people yeah so we're gonna handle that for you because we think being on multiple platforms it's a good idea and before you before you correct us that you don't actually have to do your own server there are services that exist that do this they also aren't particularly user friendly and I believe the one that we looked at anyway was paid as well generally they're kind of clunk so so floatplane the idea behind it is that if you're already on floatplane we are already getting paid because of the cut that we take from the contributions that's the way the whole model works this is yeah we're we're out to continue to build services that just make it easier to diversify yeah we think it's a really cool thing and I I was like that's gonna be very technically difficult and then AJ was like no no it's not and I was like okay sweet let's do it it's not even actually costing us a ton more bandwidth no just really sweet because of how some things are organized yeah AJ architecting things in the first place that's actually a big thing that we're working on right now and is a big part of the reason you're not seeing a ton of updates because we're really working towards building scalability so a lot of back-end stuff on the one hand whatever Jordan plane or whatever they end up calling it oh my god that was so cool [Laughter] every alternative video platform that springs up has to have plaintiff so whatever they end up calling it you know what you know what I'm doing right now I'm gonna go Daddy okay Jordan plain comm so whatever that ends up being called really shouldn't nobody should buy that domain 299 is too much whatever Jordan plane ends up being called it has the potential to be a competitor because we were actually really hoping to position ourselves as a neutral party in all of this which is a part of why we have already been investigating ways to decrease our reliance on payment processors that have seen it have seen their place in the world as the you know the decider of who gets to speak online and who does and we like have everything laid out for this it's just we have so many other things a bit like its yeah you can't share it publicly especially in light of knowing that there's there's now a competitor trying to do the same just trying to do exactly the same thing anyway so they have the potential to be a competitor but they also have the potential to be a very positive thing for our business yeah because this whole this whole sort of this whole movement we're normalizing we need yeah normalizing non patreon sources of creator funding and normalizing non YouTube video sources and normalizing the idea of alternative platforms for for creators is is a good is a good thing for us so we'll be keeping a very close eye on this one regardless of personal politics of the people involved yeah speaking of Dave's again we don't care this is something I in the QA thing that did last week this is something I kept on nailing home because we had a lot of questions about this type of stuff is we don't care if you must know I I think I've decided to do a chapter I've been meaning to do a book for a long time yeah like partly because just like it seems like everyone's doing it um but also just because there's kind of a lot that I had to say that I don't necessarily feel comfortable doing in video the thing about reading and I plan to actually talk about this in it as well but the thing about reading is that you're sort of inherited inherently limiting your audience to people who are willing to read okay so I kind of feel like at the same time we can have a more private conversation someone's gonna scan it so just post it online yes who's gonna grab a single line but someone has to read it yep I'm just preparing you yep yeah so anyway I to have a chapter discussing my personal politics which is oh boy thing that I have never done before the reason that I've never done it is that it's not that simple and again I feel like the only everyone sells stock and LTG yeah right so the only way for me to tackle it though I feel is in written form where I can I can lay out all my points I can reconstruct them to make sure that they're getting across correctly and I can do it in a way that's far more verbose than most people are willing to sit through in a video type of setting because the problem with video is they don't the problem with video yeah is that even though you can say all those things you could read that entire script I mean that's the point of audiobooks and podcasts right is that you can long-form long-form audio audio-visual content the problem with it is that I have access to the retention graphs the majority of people in a long format video will never hear the closing argument that's a big problem so anyway again I think you're gonna have a similar problem because you have people sniping parts of the book and posting it online you can but at least in that case you've already you've already laid it out and I mean yeah they're okay you know what you're right no matter what I say people are gonna find a way to misconstrue it I'm ready for that I also just I don't think that as not as polarizing a figure I don't think it has I don't think it's gonna blow up people will be mad yeah someone because if someone will be mad imma be literally if you're like I'm a squirrel and I vote for nuts but like yeah I'd be kind of mad about that cuz throwing away your vote is actually not with that said okay you know what I'm gonna go ahead I'm gonna do one who I was I meant like literally a squirrel voting for literally nuts okay like someone would find a way to be mad about that you're right you know I'm not gonna do anything controversial right now other than say speaking of us believing in the importance of diversifying your revenue streams heck yeah Squarespace this course where space is the online website building platform that for just $12 a month to start gives you the ability to create your own website they've got 24/7 support via live chat and email and they've got tons of great features including responsive design so your website looks great on any device commerce so every website comes with a free online store just make sure you don't sell the wrong things or Squarespace might get their MasterCard Partnership killed cover pages a feature that allows you to set up a beautiful 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until now because they had to increase the power levels of the radar above like regulated levels in order to get it to work but basically it uses radar technology to detect the locations of your hands and your fingers and allow you to interact with virtual interfaces okay so it's like a whole new level of theremin yeah so you could you could turn a virtual dial yeah or flick a virtual switch or play a virtual keyboard or whatever like the possibilities are kind of limitless you could make virtual gestures you could do sign language into your frikken you know this this box under your monitor and especially especially mixed with augmented reality that'll be pretty huge pretty is if you can see the thing that you're still sweet interacting with like there's a numpad on the back your hand you get to interact with it honestly you could be pretty accurate if it filled the back your head but if you could actually see it then that would be pretty cool you could wear virtual stuff like cuz because obviously you wouldn't be able to do that with just radar but we're talking radar data combined with camera data combined with you know I mean we're gonna get to the point where our computers have so many friggin sensors like right now we've got a webcam oh boy we are like just at the beginning it's gonna have infrared it's gonna have like a motion sensors when you're like sweating it's gonna be able to tell that you're like afraid like it oh he's afraid so home survival surprise yeah we are heading into a very sort of interesting future um so anyway after the initial debut of the prototype blah blah blah blah blah blah okay yeah I basically covered covered everything that's in the notes there thank you games anyway though else we got we want to talk about the guy behind China's largest torrent site jailed sure there's another I'm gonna try to find it while you talk about that but there's something I want to talk about which is a poll on the forum someone actually used the forum poll thing and it was based around I gotta try to find I think some to general discussion but it's talking about optical drives in your computer's whether or not you have them optical drive survey here it is someone posted it in the floatplane chat during the big stream you did earlier today and the results are super weird and I want when show people to vote on it so that we see gave me a screen share you sure let me know when you're ready in the meantime I've got a topic for you guys sorry tech quickie VR ownership doubled in 2018 so tech quickie just uploaded a video about why did VR crash and basically the community response has been excuse me VR did not crash so steams monthly hardware survey suggests that the proportion of PC players with the VR headset plugged in roughly doubled in 2018 now the part that it's really hard to go from four to eight the part that we're supposed to the part that I feel like I should probably point out is that it went from point two percent to point four percent from two to four yeah point to know I know some point was making yeah yeah I love VR guys but like now it did also go to 0.8 percent in December survey so this is about 720,000 of steams ninety million monthly active users for context the proportion of steam users running a Linux based system also sits at about eight percent now here's a question for you if we did a video about why did Linux crash for gaming would anybody have objected to it I know one person white sake what up dude outside of that I don't know so yeah the thing is with VR and like oculus has the new thing they announced have you seen that they all in one yeah yeah yeah and that that'll be really interesting when it hits the table and stuff but there was a love John there was a few notes that I sent to John about the why did VR crash video yeah it didn't end up getting put in and maybe would have helped some context on a few different things yeah but it it it's it's not it's not doing great and I follow all the different sub reddits I do all the different things I'm still very much in the VR community it's not doing as well as it was and when I was literally in the oculus headquarters at Facebook I talked to this dude from Naughty Dog and he was talking about how yup it's not really going quite as well as we had hoped and we don't suspect it's going to for the next like three to five years now they know this this isn't us just saying it this isn't other people observing it it's not dead no so rhythm game beat saver was was among the top grossing VR titles on Steam for 2018 and it sold a hundred thousand copies in less than a month at launch and Mountain blade super cool and ham sabers cool there's still titles that are coming out that are really cool they're still content creators and making videos about the games idle a box we are last night it's still it's still a thing the thing that I think the VR community should be really proud about and should be latching on to is VR is here to stay now people are making money in the space it's not going to disappear ancing VR has been attempted many times throughout history and is finally kind of making it but it's not nearly the smash hit that I think people were hoping it would be known including Facebook yes and plenty of other companies and there are lots of other problems that will continue to exist five-ever I'm sorry I'm sorry I said five ever no that's okay what can I do for you prompter no prompter we should bring it just in case I just want is good yeah there's there's Pro and like some of those things are being worked on I've been saying for a very long time it's going to be hard to get the general public into VR until you get your hands and feet in and until you get some haptic feedback in and until you're not trying to sell the general public garbage drilling yes you're frakkin well bad tracker not even that I'm talking like the all-in-one like inside out tracking that just isn't good yeah and like now I've seen better inside out tracking than before the Little Rock tried it no it's better there's been notable improvements and there's been new experience the whole time does makes reality but the thing is is that the rate of progress and I'm gonna say something that you might not like but the rate of progress to me indicates that VR will never make it VR will morph and it will become a are so VR is the devil is the the developmental stage so have you seen a transparent display yet yes okay so with that in mind I think there will be two separate things I don't think VR is gonna be necessarily the same as it is right now the reason why I think VR is going to still be big is because people's desire to close out everything okay is pretty high okay and I think that's where VR space will be is removing reality I don't want to be here anymore I want a scape ISM I want everything gone I want to sit in my room and have it all go away and then I think AR is also going to be massive potentially even bigger right but I think they will yeah I think they're growing kind of in parallel right now and I think they will split even more so I should clarify I don't I wouldn't have made an argument that sound if I'd realized what I was doing I wouldn't have made an argument that sounded like VR will disappear completely I just don't think it will hold a candle to the success of AR once that really happened I feel like VR is going to be home console big ok I feel like AR is going to be cellphone's big ok I think that's probably fair I don't know that VR will be home console big I then I don't know we're talking way far reaching stuff I could be super wrong I'm not gonna fall on that sword I just I think it's gonna be pretty big it depends on like it depends on where we're a are goes there may be practical limits to what we can do with they are and so if we get display technologies that are high enough density for a true virtual desktop experience like that's something that I really foresee as a way to work better but that's why I'm saying yeah cell phone big like everybody's got a cell phone ok but what I'm saying is like if AR can't get there if they are damned if VR gets good enough that the display density is so fine that I can really feel like I am sitting in a real space where I can read crisp text on a virtual monitor in front of me and I can have another one up there or whatever else I could see for productivity oh that's like that's the end game sure I know people people should I do that now and it's not so like just please understand the VR subreddit guys and other places there's there was a post that I saw very recently that was like pretty big that was like this is why we say no when they say VR is dying it's because we want it to survive we're not we have to be realistic when were when were standing in the reviewers dance we have to be realistic yeah I can't say it is currently the second coming when it's not because we will lose credibility VR is really cool right now I think it has a lot of really cool applications the Box VR is really sweet did you try I haven't what's what I've heard from that I can't put VR in my house my roof is too low I don't fit you could just borrow some light stands for a bit and just like once the roof is too low oh okay yeah anyways anyway really cool the beat saber is wicked I have played that just not at my house cuz I can't sit up here on my house but beat saber is really really cool and like I one thing that I always have been saying from the start is that getting nerds and including myself up and out of their chair and doing things is such a cool so there's there's two major friction points here getting nerds moving and then getting normies to wear like goggles and that will get sweat on it and that takes up like like you see picture of people like gonna enjoy VR this weekend and they've mood all moved all their furniture out of the way like that's actually too much of a barrier for a lot of people when they come home from work and they just want to flop on the couch like unfortunately I was saying I played box VR last night but then the counterpoint that I didn't bring up was that I haven't touched my headset in over three months and there's no there is a lot of people that play basically every day and that's freaking awesome there is a very dedicated community and there are people making money making VR games and there is very healthy things in the space but it didn't explode like it was supposed to yeah they were making VR specific PC cases they were making VR capable or compatible hardware which was too stupid like all the stuff was stupid but that's how big the industry thought it was gonna be I would sit in meetings with different companies and they would be like we don't know if we want to release this product because we don't know how to tie it into VR and like what you're fine no one cares it's Durden me so crazy for a long time but that's where the industry thought it was going that is currently dead right VR is doing fine and will grow like crazy and will be massive and it's gonna be fantastic I'm super excited for the future but we're not in that boom state that a lot of people thought we're going to be in the meantime we're still gonna need these if you want multiple displays on your laptop the original article here is from laptop mag comm and this is a dell patent drawing for a laptop that has the computer in the middle and a foldable display on either side and apparently some means of like so it looks like a rail on display dual displaying it or something I don't know exactly how it works but it looks pretty cool to me I'm you just get us BMO monitors that's the thing be cool and stuff but that's clergy this is maybe it looks like you rail them on so I don't know how not clutch another steam no longer supports Windows XP or Vista so Windows 7 and 8.1 will continue to be supported for the time being so suck it XP and Vista users and I guess that's pretty much it for the one show today do you have anything else just like kind of random you wanted to talk about her I'll maybe do the same thing I did last week that's cool how'd our floodplain Stream go that was disturb was that was James going like this on his boobie but with his shirt all the way I thought he was trying to make like farts no no it was just like slap jiggling is boobie okay yeah interesting that's oh we should probably do some super chats I guess are you gonna talk about CES see yes I have no idea what's going on at CES no I just like Nick booked all my meetings I'm just gonna like I'm gonna walk in and be like oh cool I have a meeting with like the usual suspects so I'm gonna see Razer sure I know of at least a couple cool things from a soos because our CES videos were shot in the studio like two weeks ago I know okay that makes sense it's and it has always made sense yeah we should honestly there should be no reason for us to have to go to sea you know really shouldn't did you just ship it to us and then we'll just forward it to the show yeah and then our videos could be better they could be more well informed they could be we could take our time they could be more information you know what no what they should do no it you know what you should do yeah we should have CES at Linus Media Group headquarters bring in like Kyle bring in J bring in Paul bring in everybody you know what LTS let's just turn LT X into like the better CES yeah yeah sweet LT X is gonna be sick all the creators want to show up already anyway those guys better have an update on the blog Colton there is this I chose there an update there is alright there is let's do it cuz last week last week there was no update Colton - updates I think I only saw one okay Colton Potter January 1st explore back wait hold on a second Colton is this just a picture click on it click on that well can't I click on this one if that's a different one well I want to see both of them but that's old that just links to click on the new one oh I see ok it's really confusing like where the line is it's like yeah ok like the title is like this could just as easily be this and this this picture yeah ok can we change that Colton alright thanks LTX 2019 bigger better for previous years our most important goal was to put on a fun event first and foremost but being new to the whole event thing we ended up with a lot of randomness it was still really fun like a hamster ball run it's fun that was fun we ended up with a bit of an identity crisis so this time things are gonna be much more fun and engaging and also more focused so here's what we're doubling down on tech and gaming I heard from a very small youtuber quite recently with a really cool collection of retro tech that they're like yeah I'd be like down to come up so we have gotten but as far as I know we are supposed to have gotten back to this person don't guess because it's probably not who you're guessing I've watched a lot of small okay anyway we're getting back to this part we or we have gotten back to we will cover your flight we will cover transportation for all your stuff we are not gonna have we're gonna put some money into a booth cool for all your stuff to be there where there's still some parts of the agreement that we need to work on because we can be liable for the stuff getting damaged like yeah we are we are doubling down on tech community and creators so we're in the process of locking down our first draft of the event layout but we're gonna share that with you as soon as we can and we figured out most of the crazy booth ideas and are now in the process of contracting companies to build them so some returning fan favorites include the case toss and we're gonna make it fairer because it okay cases previous LT exes came to a there were different cases but honestly that's not the huge issue because people can pick what case they throw so that's on them but the cases would fall apart yeah we would disintegrate by the end of the event so people at the end would be able to throw much further so we are going to plastic wrap them we're gonna shipping wrap them so that all these stuff will still the amount of weight you'll see so it'll be the same way the dynamics will still be different but yes it'll be a lot closer what can I do for you Eddie my prompter remote okay the blindfold mindful the cable management will be back and we have new ideas like the gaming setup challenge so this one you're already gonna have everything but you actually have to build your chair desk set up your PC cable manage your whole setup and then snap a pic woah it's gonna be cool that will take a while it'll take a while but the idea was we wanted things that people can actually interact with for a while and we're gonna do the prising really differently as well so on top of a grand prize that we announced at the end of the event we also want to do intermediate prizes to encourage obstacle to to participate at any given time I know some people do one a day or something yeah so you can spread it out we wanted a I know you're gonna have people monitoring these booths is there gonna be like a shoutcaster is the gaming setup thing competitive or is it just one at a time so it's competitive and there will be multiple ones but you won't be competing head-to-head okay okay so I'm gonna on a grand kind of yeah okay leaderboard II kind of like yeah I'm super won last year yeah okay yeah we're gonna have a headphone testing zone that's one thing that is so hard to like we've almost outright stop doing headphone videos because it's so hard to get across what they're like this is very cool so the idea is that you'll be able to really like try in person close back open back oh it's - who the Colton Stephanie whatever lots of cleansing wipes yes please complete hands on PC building workshop that'll be there we're hoping to end up with at least 50 booths this year plus cool stuff to see and do so that the queue times aren't nearly as extreme the VR booth will be back our goal is anywhere from 10 to 15 VR setups I was literally talking to Joe about that yesterday yeah because we only had three last year and it was it was quite the choke point there's even talk of a pre or after party I don't know if I'll be able to attend personally but you know and then of course there's dream hacks involvement so they'll be handling our oh we're apparently announcing how many seats a 400 plus BYOC seats noise there will be a few play zone plus more to be announced at a later date and a free play zone on stage we plan to include more segments there's more than that many computers because there's 400 plus BYOC specific yeah and a free play out and free play zones are usually fairly sizable at those types of it yeah that's pretty beast on stage panels Q&A is a few surprises and then we're in early stages of gating creator involvement we don't want to promise anything but we can say that having js to sense Barclays see from gamers INXS Lewis rossmann having those guys there last year was a total blast so that is definitely something we're pursuing and definitely something we are already talking to people about can we do a floatplane QA sure that seems cool yeah there's bound to be someone there that wants to talk to you about that just checklist er I can't I can't promise anything because if there's cooler stuff you're gonna get bumped yeah but and it might not be able to be mainstage but we could almost definitely do it somewhere cool yeah yeah cuz we're gonna have like a creator meetup place and that you could basically do like a creator meetup Oh perfect yeah yeah yeah we're also gonna have a floatplane people there so I think would be cool to like cool yeah so yeah it's gonna be sick and that's pretty much it guys oh wait I said I promised I would do some super chats also can I do my thing what thing the thing I did last time yes okay I'm gonna do a stream after this people are gonna spam the name of the in chat probably but I switch on TV / lieutenant squarely afar it will have a focus especially at the start when it actually happens because it seems to die off as it did last week but it will have a strong focus of floatplane QA there's the migration happening if you have any questions about the migration I would strongly prefer you ask me there instead of emailing right now we have a massive amount of email tickets a huge percentage of which are just questions about random things about floatplane instead of getting help about migrating your account which is totally fine but we're really buried right now so I would prefer if you ask your questions to me in in like a chat basis thing so other people can hear the answer - yes yeah exactly yeah because we we might have like 300 right now so yeah there's probably morning so that's scary um this weekend this is not related to your topic but I would like your advice I work for a company that does home automation and networking for clients second super chat this is fan of fan is fan 64 I am on the lower totem pole of the job ie grunt work running wires and such I try to do their networking which they said they're willing to teach me but the terminologies and all that and they're they're all experienced already it makes it quite difficult for me my question is would it benefit me to actually take a course for networking or grin and bear it and try to learn from my company slowly but surely I would definitely recommend doing at least some basic course work when it comes to networking just having that sort of Eureka moment of how exactly the topology works is probably worth the investment do you know I agree I would be careful about what course you're taking them because if having a certificate or diploma or degree is not going to directly help your career there's quite a few courses in that stack that will not necessarily help you so try to make sure that you're picking what course you take as a one-off so you don't take like an introductory course that teaches you what an Ethernet cable 'yes yes that is a thing there's some really really basic stuff to do that so if you're already in the career I would recommend not wasting your time if you have if you want some advice actually there's a ton of people with experience about on the ltte floors I would strongly recommend creating an account there and posting just posting your question there yeah Doberman sorry we aren't planning another overclocking video in the near future Alan you're welcome for the help a fusion plays thanks for being a new member Dominic says it's 2019 what says 2018 people are telling me to change the date to 2018 what Oh stream title oops I changed that well you also like bugged it up after Oh so I think somewhere in the fix it got dropped it might have been me or who knows I'm not sure I'm box warehouse says can I get a selfie yes I don't know not promising anything it's got every year it's gotten harder and harder for me to walk around on the show floor yeah pars of all hey we from extreme hosting have sent an email to you guys please check it out ok Austin says I thought your iPhone 10's review is pretty harsh but then I watched one bang Nellas video or however you spell his name ok thanks Alex says it's 2019 thanks hi Linus I'm in need of a data storage server where can I have or where one where I can have a drive assigned to a person need hardware software advice oh boy forum yeah there's some really knowledgeable people on the forum like for Peter 8 Wow my Peter knows everything and he's been there forever he's very very basic Mukherjee yes yeah BJ am ceci says I just wanted to say I came here to say that I'm gonna watch the archive when you're done by pretty good McHale says I follow you you should follow me it's up to you all other than that always love your show and send a hundred and fifty dollars whoa I hate to be that guy but I'm not gonna follow because I don't do that I actually it's like a total like troll on the Linus tech tips Instagram account we follow only one thing LTX and I think I might have actually unfollowed it recently because like an Instagram hilarious every time I not every time I open the app but oh that time it did it and then it disappeared so a lot of the time so I open the app there's this like thing that's like hey you should people you follow will show up here hey and I just don't know we still follow one guess what boom LTS unfollow direct follow for follow or or that kind of stuff is not it's just I have never done it once but not legitimate anyways but yeah um Carson just started watching your channel and join you a lot thanks Carson yeah I then on yes we know it's not the right date Jack says I've been watching forever guys two capitals on forever guys not familiar with the show yeah thanks Jackson ah open 1209 look at the date it's not 2018 yeah okay I den why would you not start a platform ie floatplane on AWS and then revert to your own hardware after that is a tremendous question and we are we actually have reasons yeah insane amount of start-up costs for that you just be bleeding through the nose the entire time you're on there it's also hard to infrastructure pivot that's like a pretty weird thing to do what we plan on doing once we get it to work is have load balancing set up so that we can pop off to those really expensive services if we get if we get to the point where we can't serve good quality to everyone and then we'll have time to bump up our infrastructure at the same time but getting those things all working is difficult we also didn't necessarily know what scale we wanted when we first started full plane there's like there's there's a lot to it for our part now that we're down this path it's much easier to build the best thing we can build and then fall back to CDN if needed yes because we're already a chunk into it okay neuro says it's also like like seriously you could you could bury yourself doing that strategy so it's also really scary apparently neuro technology exploration would love us to check out a video on the future of computing HCI brain computer interfaces and apparently the research group has done a bunch of work so that's interesting sounds potentially cool shuh 125 this is a good one look I made it home last time I did this I was pretty drunk what I was talking about last time I sent a flag to Luke from overseas no I immediately recognized great thanks for the everything building a new system first build ever love you guys act super chats I'm actually super stoked that Xu made at home I'm very happy that you made it home I know Shu she was super cool you rent a hundred and fifty bucks just now whoa okay I can't read the dollar amounts from here but yeah you've read shus letter oh did I that was the flag oh that thing that's Shu oh that was awesome yeah oh she's super cool how's it going glad you made it home dude yeah also that all right Ben asked winter LTX tickets for sale oh what a good question Nick you don't happen to know do you put a lot of people okay sorry we haven't announced it yet stay tuned guys I think we're still working out some details of Dreamhack like as you can imagine with a partnership like this there's a lot of stuff to work out who gets how much floor space who takes how much of the ticket revenue blah de blah de blah and we're committed to working with them and they're committed to working with us like we're gonna we're gonna get her done but we can't really put tickets on sale until we've agreed on how much is it going to cost so okay just like HR penguin says can't wait for our Linus controversy I sense he'll go full PewDiePie LTE meme reviews for the win LT Tom claps graphics card alright thanks John Williams and that's all the super chats we can do for today we will see you guys again next week same bat-time same bat-channel holy crap we went way over time oh yeah it's almost 7:00 wait no I won't be here next week for mine show let's go XP when's your flight because I get back Thursday night oh wait I haven't been I'm certainly gonna try then yeah I'll try to be here for lunch oh sure I can't promise it though cuz I might be like sick as a dog so yeah weekly all right hi guys in Vegas okay so you want you here for sure yeah okay or I could do it or I could do it from there there might even still be a creator there that I could pull into guest naked probably cuz I won't be seconds like a poem
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