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start streaming yes I am sure I want to start the stream I wouldn't have you know II used up on my bladder muscles if I didn't want to start the stream I did read the instructions I followed the instructions we are not on the test streaming thing you yes I did set the title Thank You Jake your your you are my chicken dinner like you're a winner that's what that's what I mean I don't mean that he's like kind of salty and savory I like your thighs all right so we see white breasts a pretty mediocre show for you guys today because frankly there just says you I'm bringing the awesome there just wasn't really a lot going on this week why would you say that well do you want people to leave they're not gonna leave I mean they already went through the effort of clicking on this he'll go down the go down with me yeah I mean the ship go down on the ship not now you don't go down on the ship you don't go down on you either that's oh I'm trying to get out of here so we do actually have some legitimately interesting topics Google mandates two years of security updates for popular phones how do we define popular I guess well oh we there's a definition cross that bridge when we get to it mm-hmm the meme tax means maybe you won't be able to upload to YouTube yeah okay no I'll talk I'll talk more bridges across there's been another big win for right to repair and the iPhone iOS 12 defeats the grey key locker thing the police you suck it please I mean blue lives matter I mean ah let's get out of here roll the intro wow you're so never coming on when show math I mean they're all right do you think that you have RBF what is RBF wresting mean face oh nesting mean things um no that's the arresting face at the camera I would actually yeah I would much rather hear if you think I have resting resting be faces what's up so the only reason that it really comes up in my household a lot is that one of my daughters yes she's just like - actually she's the older one and it was much worse when she was - so we talked about all the time obviously we can't say the B word so we'd say resting p face I've never heard anyone could your face at rest okay yeah no I mean we'll let the audience we'll let the audience be the judge I don't think you have RBF are you kidding me I think it's more of a conscious thing with you haha dude look at my eyebrows from the side okay pointing down before the show I was just going over my notes I looked at with the camera there I was like this is what I look like when I'm just reading stuff I'm just like yeah you had kind of an intense vibe to you like I've actually had I mean I don't think that the win show is really the place to air like HR to literally air it but I've actually had people talk to me about how James can be kind of intense like I'm not sure if he likes me you know I think that about Tyler I think Tyler I think I know he's the nicest guy a teddy bear but he also hates all of us I think I don't think you guys I don't I think Tyler is the least likely lmg employee to go postal well there's but there's also other things that are just personal preference like if you walk by Tyler in the morning you haven't seen him yet he might just walk by you not care to say good morning and I I'm fine with that there's a lot of people here you want to spend half your day saying good morning yeah there's 20 people like I I got past saying good morning to everyone probably around the time we hired you guys cuz okay I mean you were basically everyone that I passed in the morning was new and therefore it didn't matter anybody knows but there was just too many people all of a sudden instead of because the upstairs used to be used to be upstairs there was no well there's there's Chelsea that's right this whole the sales team was there so there was no Nick wasn't his no he wasn't ya know when I started Nick and Chelsea and Cole they're all in that corner by we're Anthony and Alex are now is this even interesting I mean it doesn't really matter okay we will get to why I'm wearing eyeliner shortly because I think that's what everyone's waiting - waiting to hear because it's Friday night baby yeah no and you've taken me out dancing how come Batman doesn't dance anymore Simpson's quo okay you know what I'll explain why I'm wearing eyeliner so we you must super chat us if you want to no no anyway we're shells that's that's the word on the street so basically I take exception to razors branding I mean I understand branding is it's it's marketing and it's it's it's not meant to be just like a purely dry I do love this pillow though it's it's not meant to be just like a purely dry description of the product like if if rays are called they're mice pretty good Mouse that is pretty good and the ergonomics are good enough that the pro gamers we endorse didn't throw them away and it's pretty expensive but like it's pretty good like if they called it that obviously no one would buy it but if they call it Mamba mmm you know that's how it sounds a lot more appealing but the whole thing that they've started doing over the last few years where it's like they were of themselves as the world's premier lifestyle brand for gamers lifestyle brand for gamers and I kind of I kind of take exception to that because maybe I'm wrong but to me when I especially when I was younger when I didn't have like a full-time job because I was still in school to me what made something gaming was that it was no frills and it was like great bang for the buck and it had nothing nothing about it that didn't give more FPS function yes completely function over form was gaming like an Athlon XP 2500 plus was like a gaming CPU because compared to I mean it's it's it's funny some things never change AMD fanboys we're just as diluted back then as they were like two years ago before rise and launched and they still thought that AMD had processors worth buying like it's it's amazing and and so for me when I bought a Barton 2500 plus I was the diluted AMD fanboy I was like yeah I'm gonna overclock it to 2.2 gigahertz which is equivalent to a 3200 plus which is equivalent to a pea for 3.2 but that was just AMD's marketing it wasn't equivalent to a pea force northwood come on it was even close not to mention that Northwood had hyper-threading which at the time remember this is pre dual-core made a pretty significant difference to the overall usability of the experience and so to me if nothing else though a Barton 2500 plus was a gaming CPU because games back then only used a single core so you didn't need hyper threading to get better FPS do you think that yeah the industry started to add frills even in gaming lineup things just by virtue of there being more competition like there you think there are there more gaming products now more game aquatic lines now and then to differentiate they add in these they're just less Spartan because it is different so hard to differentiate these days and so I don't don't blame them for doing it but basically the reason that I have the remnants of eyeliner on is because I'm kind of taking the piss as like a gaming lifestyle sort of character at the beginning of the video for the razor phone to which is gonna be an interesting video by the what I've saw the getup how is that okay I'm like edgy I'm an edgy that's you trying to shop you have such a warped review okay obviously it's like over-the-top and stupid so that's all you know what well yeah yes very over-the-top various do okay just I mean one part of the ensemble you didn't see was that I have a messenger bag that has an RGB keyboard in it that is illuminated as I'm just walking down the street that's a very Ed's little type thing to do yeah so so it's it's like it's like my gaming this is more of an accessory and less of an actual like how many FPS do I get per dollar and I die that's kind of my that's kind of my thing what should have been on a hoverboard I probably should have been on a hoverboard are we gonna do news I know you guys always do news like when I'm not on the show and I'm kind of I'm kind of trying to I'm kind of trying to fight it because let's do some super Chad's yeah um what do we got here wha I see kurosu says I was gonna ask why you don't refer to floatplane comments and only YouTube like in the iPhone response video and then I saw you just did a floatplane exclusive fair trade you know the best man keep it up well thank you thank you you're the best - you're sorry me dude and bomb - link says paying the line is tax again for great free content you don't have to pay a tax for something that's free paying the Lynas tax for a great free contact oh the taxes that he has to listen to you hey mate watching what the heck are New Zealand Dollars oh I'm a did all right fine we'll do we'll do a news topic wait are you gonna answer that first question no I don't know that was a paragraph but oh yeah yeah he was like he's cool with it sounds like a cool what yeah he was like why do you only refer to YouTube comments when you do like a response video okay I guess I could answer that it's because YouTube comments are more recognizable if we put up comments that are formatted for floatplane only the like thousands of people on Flo plain are gonna be able to relate to it so we tend to try to go as mainstream as possible in the content itself which is why you'll hear me say things like dislike the video if you want even though floatplane doesn't have a dislike button so is this person referring to like graphically what they see on screen when we include comments and they pop up or are they asking why do they always probably look like YouTube comments okay um Ben says please remember to mention folding months yeah it's folding month that's in the dock it is folding month I've been folding for like three weeks already so I'm Way ahead use suckas but all month it's folding at home which is using your computer as a in a distributed network to help research different fight diseases like including cancer and Alzheimer's and all sorts of stuff you have any bola stuff in there it's cool kind of topical right now I am warming up my house also turning the heat on all the super chats are for you Eddie says oh snap its lazer time boys yeah all right fine we'll do it we'll do news topic Google mandates two years of security updates for popular phones this was posted by diehard to live on the forum you read that like you never seen that before like I post all the time yeah I know but like I hate typing it so he's that's what I do now okay it's great he's like he's like we need to do these news topics I mean do you know how long James spends every week making sure that in the event that Luke and I can't figure out anything off topic to discuss we will have something to talk about only for us to ignore like 80% of the topic sometimes do you do you ever go back and look at like what we did cover and what we didn't and get triggered sometimes I thought well I did and I stopped doing that when me and Luke do it we do the news yeah okay but I also include fewer topics like when him and I do it I'll just put like eight in there hey I put a couple I left a couple in last week that I'd said hey we should really cover these next week and you took them out you didn't tell me that well I put it in the duct oh you just you just overrode it no I scroll to the bottom see if anyone posted news items then I control a and delete oh okay so the original article here is from the verge com and in a nutshell every month the security team at Google releases a new set of patches for Android and every month carriers and manufacturers struggle to get them installed on the actual phones that people are actually using making that effort feel like well like James's effort on the web showed are wasted so confidential contracts obtained by the verge show that many manufacturers now have explicit obligations related to updates so this is Google trying to close in on the Apple lead because that's it a really important part that our place that Apple still has an advantage we didn't explicitly cover that in the latest why iPhones are awesome video we did talk what's updates yeah we talked about security but we didn't specifically talk about security updates and the scheduling and the schedule in the advantages they have here so this is sweet do you think it's gonna work well they're requiring the requirements are regularly installed updates for any popular phone or tablet for at least two years they must provide at least four security updates within one year of the phone's launch the security updates are mandated within the second year as well but without a specified minimum number of releases and then these terms cover any device launched after January 31st 2018 that's been activated by more than 100,000 users so that's your definition of popular a hundred thousand users so I've talked about this a fair bit in the past where you might encounter like a really cool device of some sort like a phone that's got like a really neat accessory I think the ROG gaming phone is gonna be a great example of something like this where it's it's really cool it's got some features that are truly standalone in the market like it's got a 90 Hertz OLED display it's what you wanted the razor phone to be yeah pretty pretty much the first one yeah well neither of them quite what I wanted the first razor phone too because I wanted it to have a good camera and neither of them are good enough quite frankly so I think the ROG phone is a great example this has got really cool accessories have you seen the dual screen one yeah okay so we have a video coming we actually got our hands on all of the accessories for the ROG phone so we've got the the game controller that clips onto the sides we've got the dual screen so it comes with a six thousand milliamp hour battery in it it's got like kind of an ergonomic handle like controller handle for it and then it's got a second screen in the bottom kind of DS style that you can actually run apps independently on which tripped me out so our thumbnail I think we were gonna do for the thumbnail and title we were gonna do we got every ROG phone accessory you know but I think what we're gonna go with is this phone runs two games at once yeah yeah Jake was tell me he had two separate games running yes yeah not bad depending on the games that actually yeah could be practical if you're playing something turn-based or something with waiting times you could play it like a hand of Poker while you're also I don't know playing Pokemon go or some crab okay I guess I could get into that I mean but the use case that we show isn't a very good one we have pub G running on the top and minecraft on the plateau oh and the pub G and fortnight would have been funny so at one point in the video I'm playing the top screen and like Jake's got his hands and like in here like playing the bottom screen we're just looking at each other this is ridiculous that's the best phone when you've got two kids yeah yeah so they can vote they can vote if you jus don't learn to share then I'm gonna make you both share the same one forever there it is so anyway back to what I was saying even if you find a device that has like a really cool feature there that you like you can you can end up having a bad experience almost no matter what you do because until you reach a certain threshold which is apparently a hundred thousand users you are even if you buy something like really expensive like a red hydrogen one would be a great example of this it's $1500 phone for the titanium version the manufacturer can only afford to support that which is popular that which sells well and you might think well I paid $1,500 for this phone they should be able to support it but the issue is that even if you even if they were making $500 a phone versus $300 a film at someone like you know Samsung was making if they're only selling a thousand units and Samsung is selling a hundred thousand units and these are all completely hypothetical numbers a thousand units times 500 bucks is still only what is that five hundred thousand dollars the math checks out yeah you can't you can't have a team of engineers working on this product for two years after their release continuing to provide updates for that kind of a budget the numbers just don't work out and this is why in the past I would always say when you're shopping for a motherboard don't shop for the best motherboard shop for the most popular motherboard because that's the one that a they're gonna have the budget in order to provide support to and B that's the one where they're gonna have the loudest number of users squawking at them if they don't do it properly so there's gonna be a lot of pressure on them whereas like it's a funny thing like I remember back in the days of Quad SLI when in video launch the 7950 GX - I think is what the card was called but it was like this bizarre like I know this is pre or like gaming enthusiasm days probably PC sure so it was this bizarre card because it had a big PCB and then it had like a second one and it had like a cooler on each one of them so one of the GPUs was like sandwiched right between the other PCB and it was only a dual slot card like it was then it was really you know what I should probably just bring up a picture for us - yeah 750 G X - this is a really weird card look at this thing see that so you've got your oh yeah that's weird your main PCB that plugs into the slot and then you've got this second daughter board that had all the i/o on it and see this cooler here it actually had the same cooler under here it was completely suffocated check this out take this out and then power only came in on this one and was passed through I don't remember how like it was it was a weird card anyway there was a use case for this card four-way SLI this was the first time you could run four GPUs in SLI for envy actually I don't think dude whoever did that so this was the first time you could run four GPUs in SLI and the experience was terrible because the weird thing is and I'm not I'm not singling out in video here the weird thing is companies seem to feel like these customers that are giving them $1500 in this case was I think about what a couple of those would cost you that the customer is giving them these huge amounts of money well they must be just such fanatics that even if we don't update this and support this properly they're gonna keep coming back and giving us money anyway so whatever whereas the mainstream user the one that really thinks about value for their dollar and goes out and buys you know a GTX 1063 gig or an RX 570 or whatever the case may be that customer I feel like is more value sensitive and therefore will complain much louder if it doesn't get supported properly does that kind of make sense well I wonder if these people who these adopters of the high high-end stuff like this do you think they're mostly the type who aren't gonna be using this stuff for a really long time because they're gonna get the latest and greatest every cycle or do you think that they have the mindset of I'm spending a lot now and this is gonna last me a long time you would just say it's 50/50 80/20 I would say that from from working at NCIX my experience was probably closer to like 95 five like which way the guys that are buying the high-end the really high-end stuff its toys for boys whereas there's a there's a 5% of them that go you know what I just don't want to replace my computer very often so I'm just gonna get the best thing now but the reality of it is if you especially then like back when I was working in the computer stores like 10 years ago or whatever especially then it was a terrible terrible idea to buy the highest end thing now and hoped that it would be future proof these days I would actually make the argument it's not nearly as bad like if you went out and you bought yourself 59 60 X so that was an extreme addition and like three years ago that was an eight-core processor okay we have now just now gotten to the point where the mainstream is getting an 8 core processor you you effectively and yeah they're much higher clock all that stuff like you don't expect it to run exactly like the brand new one but you're still hanging in there whereas if you bought yourself at that time a would have been like a forty seven seventy you are now getting to the point where there are going to be games right around the corner that are gonna want more than four course so yeah that person who spent more might get another year or two out of their system that kind of makes sense sure so you think then so what you described a second nowhere it's 95 five then that is an incentive for companies to support the most popular or not the most expensive yeah but okay going back to the phones though right the original thing right the actual topics in look here's the thing the chain is longer than just the the provider of a software in this case Google and then the OEM there's an there's the carriers as well and they don't talk about the carrier's here and with Android phones the carriers can put in their own special sauce so a new Android comes out then the OEM augments it to their liking then the the carrier puts their own special care of your apps on it and that takes the TV that takes two to three weeks at best yeah what happens when these om czar all begin to do four security updates a year the last one that comes out for that year gets delayed because the carrier has to spend a month working on it reaches the contract with Google and then they get reprimanded like what's gonna happen it looks like what could happen is if they fail to keep the device is updated Google could withhold approval for new devices so they could like play the game where they could be like okay you know what we're we're really busy you know working on something right now we don't have anything new to launch at the moment so we can fall behind and then we'll like get it dealt with later when we need to release something but I think the big thing for me is I have yet to see any evidence that Google has the stones to back this up because they're still allowing carrier nonsense that as far as I can tell Apple shut down ages that's correct like it there's I think you just cited one from algae but there's our from a carrier but there's eighteen T like one drive type stuff eighty has so much arising but they're not on Apple phones at all yeah at all so do you think that if it becomes a problem where the carriers of the limiting factor here that we're making the OEMs late with the contractually obligated updates then maybe Google or the kit or those OEMs will just crack down and be like there's no more carrier app baloney at all we're not doing it I don't know how they'd pull it off because the thing is that a lot of like it's all about positioning right the reason Apple can get away with it is because the iPhone is a top to your device so the carrier is not expected to you know sell it for $0 on contract and then subsidize it with like cloud storage and like a TV subscription and an NBA subscription and all that kind of crap all that kind of add-on stuff that they can use to subsidize the cost of that hardware in the first place plus there's competition because if you're an Android device if you're the V 30 they're like well we don't like your terms we're just gonna have the P 20 so yeah yeah just another flagship Android yep so I think that Apple's in a fairly unique position there but I do also think that carriers like Samsung they should be in a position where we shouldn't have to deal with that anymore so I'd like to see them push back harder like one thing that has really irked me about Samsung over the last couple of generations I actually don't know if the note 9 did it I'd have to put in a difference in to find out but immediately when you put in a SIM it comes unlocked and you put in a SIM and it locks to that carrier oh that's weak which to me is completely unacceptable that's weak dude you know what I learned today yeah you know Samsung has the greatest market sure obviously globally but even in nor in North America they have like 35% there there's more people in North America with Samsung's than iPhones vote today I learned that in China their penetration is only like 5% in China it's all Chinese phones isn't that crazy the thing that really baffles me is that especially a couple generations ago the cameras on the non Chinese phones were so night and day better than the Chinese ones that it just like I couldn't figure out why the demand didn't overcome weather like I and forgive me because I'm speaking out of ignorance here I don't know if it's nationalism I don't know if it's import tariffs I don't know if it's other governmental restrictions I don't know what the factors are why they only use Chinese phones but you'd think the demand for better might have outstripped whatever those other factors were in people would have people would have been able to go oh wow this is like very obviously way better but because I mean there weren't there weren't even huge cost differences in many cases are you sure we're flagship Chinese phones weren't they subsidized see that I don't know so maybe there is a huge difference I do know though that some of the flagships now are really priced about like South Korean or North American flag ships I mean of course there are but I mean like where they were designed so last week you guys well I wrote it in the notes I don't know if you talked about it but we learned that because of GD our GPD are yeah and your rd GD PR and whatever do you argue all the notifications on all your favorite web so who was found to be illegally acting monopolistically he's leaving I'm talking to you I'm talking to everyone but I'm also talking to you you know so Google had to unbundle it was it used to be the case that even though Android is the open source the what was it the Play Store Google Chrome chrome and Google search always had to come on the phone and there was all bundled and that was illegal so then they ordered them to pay a big fine and now they have to give options to OEMs yeah and so a device gets subsidized by the fact that Chrome's on there because there's advertising revenue but and then now if you're gonna be able to get an Android phone that doesn't have Chrome on it then Google sauce to make that money so they're just charging a licensing fee but we did know how much it cost and now we know and interesting is this kind of gives us an idea of how much money Google expects to make off the Play Store off chrome and off Google search well I think that this the fees here would be slightly higher than what they made off of that I think so too because I'd be I'd be given I'd be given the EU the old you know I'd be ok maybe not the old su but I'd be trying to create pressure I'd be trying to say look yeah the way you had it was pretty good so you don't like it okay here's something worse doing you've got options now but there's a clear incentive to go for to just go back yeah exactly so what we found out is that it could cost up to $40 per device sorry 40 bucks a device that's how much the iPhone Apple was paying for the Samsung but hold on oh let's consider consider this you guys the bomb cost of like an iPhone 10s bomb means bills yeah the bare hardware cost of something like an iPhone 10s are like a note 9 is somewhere in the neighborhood of usually what around 250 to 350 bucks that's all we actually had all those figures in one of our why are you buying this okay the point is they are like a third to like a quarter of the final sale price because there's a lot of costs associated with bringing something to market including whether you like it or not things like advertising that do factor into the final price of the phone so adding $40.00 just right there up front $40 has the potential to increase your phone's cost somewhere in the neighborhood of like 20% oh sorry I'll let you keep okay so so how much they cost depends on the country in the you and the type of device so he you countries are divided into three tiers with the highest countries the highest fees come from the UK Sweden Germany Norway and Netherlands and in those countries the devices with higher pixel densities pay more so if you've got a pixel density higher than 500 PPI then you got to pay the $40 fee and the phones that have PP eyes like that are pixels per inch include pixels two and three XL and the s 9s 9 plus interesting then the next year down is 400 to 500 pixels per inch and they have to be 20 bucks in those countries yeah and that's the pixel 3 the small one and interestingly all the iPhone tens the 10 the 10s the 10s max I surprised that all those iPhones have lower pixel densities than the pixel 2 XL even the new well-nigh though 10 s has a lower pixel than season I mean it's Apple Apple went straight to retina and then just completely backed off they were like yeah no this is good enough well and frankly I agree with them Wow because you can't tell looking at an iPhone 10s or 10s max that it has lower pixel density than a note 9 or NS 9 plus mode cannot tell well that's what retina is that's exactly the point so then the next tier is under 400 pixels per inch aware you only pay ten dollars in those expensive countries and the iPhone 10 R fits into that category but then in some other countries where they're you know not the high yeah high paying countries the fee can be as little as two dollars and fifty cents per device like a budget phone in India well I wonder if this really gives us some insight into how much Google expects that given user to contribute directly to their bottom line or if it's just kind of a nephew and it's the and 250 is closer to what they would expect to make no I think that the the fees are too they're they're geared toward increasing androids penetration in those markets so I think that right the user in India they just want their devices in India yeah so they're just and maybe they maybe they're saturated in UK and Netherlands right so maybe they just don't really care at that point oh I'd really like to know I mean can you imagine like let's let's kind of like imagination craft for a second here can you imagine if this had happened back when Microsoft was still in the game with Windows Phone because that was one of Microsoft's big disadvantages as they are charging for the operating system well now Google is being put in the position where they have to charge for the operating system it levels the playing field because Apple has to charge for the operating system you have to cover your costs somehow so you either cover your costs through advertising and subsidies through your marketplace or your Play Store app store whatever you want to call it or you charge for it by charging for it you have to pay software developers they aren't free tech deals sent a super chat here he's like free software isn't free film at 11:00 like yeah it's that clear what I think is really interesting is the fact that Android is open source when we we kind of feel entitled with the things that should come with Android like the Play Store you think that's an integral part of Android but it's not it's a Google service just like Chrome and search and maps and all that and that's what we found out with this unbundling huzzah gamers says first super chat please please turn up the streaming volume I turned it up I don't know if it helped better rip a bump it a little good yeah hopefully that's a little better oh Lord any more SC's Oh tech support Josh says why don't we have Ltd limited edition sandals I really want them you know you know what yeah I'm committing it right now we're gonna make it happen guys it'll happen at some point but it's it's not an 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tech linked this week where I was raging out about this saying too little too late you guys you should have covered it before and I'm kind of sitting here going well I didn't think this was gonna go through and we have it we have head coverage on this for quite some time and also as if it matters we're not even in the EU well I mean it's gonna affect us so let's talk let's talk about our no no I just mean like how much how much swayed like oh are we that important no we're not but at least we can we can try to make some noise now because even though $300 it has passed the first vote I should hope not no it's 300 whatever a is I that's not Australian is it no probably a US I don't know it doesn't yeah I think it's a you from so there's no real desire there's no real new news the only new news about this is that the YouTube sea you publish a blog post an open letter I'm just talking about how it's gonna affect their service and how dramatic the changes could be should this can you know continue so just as an update on the situation the first round of voting has gone has come and gone and it passed and I don't believe that they have ever had something fail to pass at the second round of voting that did pass the first round so we are really on the verge of making platforms responsible not just responsible but also liable for the content that is on their websites to put this in context now it does specify that its major platforms or whatever the case may be but there's I why is that one five important I it's probably quantified I don't know exactly how they're quantifying it but I still think it's important because floatplanes pretty major I mean this has the potential to impact even something like Linus tech tips calm for him like it was a number of years ago now but there like there are things that already work like this so back when back when we were still using Adsense for Linus tech tips calm not that it never made a ton of money or anything so it wasn't a big deal but we had a poster desktop wallpaper thread that was like many many dozens and dozens of pages long because everyone were just posting their desktop wallpapers and some people's desktop wallpapers are their home not their work desktop because they wouldn't be safe for work and so we ended up with some pretty racy images on the forum and quite frankly like post your desktop wallpaper threads are the kind of thing that doesn't typically get moderated very actively so what happened was we ended up with some some content on the website that Google deemed to be contrary to their restrictions for Google Adsense and they cut us off and they said you guys need to get your site back in line before we will turn it back on and you guys are responsible for scouring your web site making sure there's nothing on it we kind of we have literally thousands of posts a day of user-generated content like this is not feasible to actually filter through every freaking post and make sure that we don't have any hate speech or any nudity or any graphic violence or whatever the case may be like we do our best but we rely on our community to flag things and a lot of the time the community will go like yeah it's not a big deal in Google though it's terrible so I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's unlikely that something like - tech tips forum would actually be affected by article 13 because it's pretty small fish and so would something like float plane be but the problem is that everything small if it's good will grow and this situation where the platform has to be responsible ultimately we got our Adsense revoked and we never got it back in case you guys are wondering how that story ends this situation is ultimately untenable because with the amount of user-generated content that someone like a YouTube or Facebook or even - tech tips com forum is receiving you would have to hire so many staff just to sit with like their eyeballs their their eyelids stapled to the tops and bottoms of their eyes staring at their screens watching it come in the number of people you'd have to pay to do that would be it would be unmanageable you would never be able to have an online platform that can just accept any user uploaded content willy nilly that's what I'm trying to say is that even though we might not be affected by this in terms of the platforms that we run we have been in this situation and it's not feasible so the quote from this blog post yes she says it would be too risky for platforms to host content from smaller original content creators because the platform would now be directly liable for that content the proposal could force platforms like YouTube to allow only content from a small number of large companies so basically what she's saying and so you're basically going back to cable she clarifies things further later like I think she's saying like there's possibilities that they could prevent EU users from accessing non EU content or they could prevent like like there's there's ways that maybe they could geofence it or whatever the case may be but but ultimately yeah it's like going back to the Stone Age like we've had YouTube the way it is user-generated content video content like it's amazing for over ten years now and to go back to not being able to just have anyone upload any stupid dog video and maybe you go viral and maybe you know make a couple thousand bucks or whatever I'd like to take away that or upload a video of them reviewing a laptop in their kitchen and maybe one day employ 22 people and so that's that's something that really upsets me is that there's a lot more to YouTube now than just the user-generated content even because we I sincerely doubt would be big enough to qualify as a small number of large companies there's just no way like they couldn't possibly manage everyone our size on the platform I don't think it makes any sense because remember guys we're not like monitoring video content is not the same as even something like a forum where you can kind of skim images yeah it looks fine you can't really just depend on the machines to do this and you can't there's no way even Google is basically admitting we can't do it and if they can't do it I don't think anyone else is in a position to go say with 100% confidence that they'd be comfortable with it so so this could affect us in a huge way and it's not just me personally but the YouTube ecosystem props up hundreds thousands tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of people's actual livelihoods now but it's not just the indie youtubers who are who are who have managed to go independent and managed to support themselves but there are reasonable sized to enterprises like again so we employ between minus Media Group and floatplane 26 or 27 people like it's at the point now where I've lost track which is you know really cool but also really scary because if all of a sudden we were cut off from our European viewership that could significantly impact us like we've taken a very conservative approach to growing our business and we've kept our costs under control my commitment to you right now James is even if all of our European viewership goes away tomorrow night your job will be safe and so will everyone's here but other people might be riding the razor's edge a little tighter or they might be in a really vulnerable state right now where maybe I think a great example would be tech deals tech deals as one of the guys on flip lane right now he'd send a super chat earlier so tech deals just obtained a new studio space what if we took a 20% hit to his income right now yeah his most vulnerable time at his most vulnerable time like this was ultimately why Linus media group went on vessel because we had just obtained a new space just hired some people we were looking to expand and then it was YouTube that time but YouTube released this memo saying that we weren't going to be able to monetize our videos through third parties the way that we'd been doing up till remember like holy crap are they're just gonna like rip all our videos down what are we gonna do and I think there's gonna be a lot of people panicking like this so should we be freaking out yes and then there's all these other applications like we just had a municipal election in Vancouver or in the whole region what about all those random city councillor people who just wanted to tell the constituents they're their little platform boom it goes on YouTube where are they gonna put that my Squarespace like YouTube is actually kind of a public service in a lot of ways and there's things that obviously we can see about it that are clearly not public service type things like the way that they moderate the content or the way that you know ad pocalypse affected some people disproportionately compared to others but it does still have a role in that space and it would be a huge loss to not have it anymore I mean you look to at the way that the way that protesters or activists can use YouTube to get a message out so that's where I was going this is really really important and I mean like I said I hadn't taken it seriously enough before because I just thought that people we're gonna realize that this is obviously not sustainable and can it at some point I guess we didn't get there well what about the the argument that it's it's maybe if you think of the worst the worst ways these laws can be interpreted it would it would just totally ruin the internet but then if they actually just go ahead with that kind of a light touch then it won't be that bad the issue though is that it's a question of liability so platforms are already responsible for the content that users post on them that's the whole point of DMCA where if there's a copyright infringement you are responsible for having a way to get in touch with you and having someone review those requests in a timely manner and then removing the content that's the way it works now and I understand there are problems with that because you end up with a lot of copyrighted content that just never gets pulled down because you don't have enough manpower to go through all these video hosts innocent until proven guilty yes um whereas this new way is just gonna kind of assume that everyone's a filthy pirate and is uploading you know copyrighted material until they prove that they didn't by becoming a large company so are you going to New York this weekend yeah where you going I don't remember exactly this is like a hybrid between a news topic and just like what do you do it oh because there's a nice is going to the one +60 event in New York on Monday this is funny and it's only on Monday because Apple decided we should probably have a second event because no one cared about our stuff and then they scheduled their second event for the same day oneplus was scheduled the oneplus is just bumper today earlier this is exactly and I blame Apple for this this is exactly why I've gotten so annoyed with this trend where every company needs to have their own little little song and dance and stage and music and blah blah blah free time they launch a stupid product and to be clear I'm not saying the products are always stupid sometimes they're amazing but it's frustrating because it used to be that you could go to one place and you could see all the announcements or at least I and full of places as long as you hit like Computex yeah yes and like you know maybe I don't know game calm III yeah like as long as you hit kind of the main big ones and then maybe a couple smaller nice ones when Apple was different what's the film industry one I don't know but there's the graph graph graphics or no see graph I'm not gonna cigarette not say graph regardless Apple was thinking differently and then they pioneered the whole like we're gonna have our own keynotes NAB maybe yeah and it worked and it worked and then all the me two companies were like hey we have flagships that are competitive I mean now even Intel's doing it they launched a CPU they've got an event in New York and everybody's got a jet into New York and we're gonna talk about our CPU in New York it's kind of cool but there's just too many companies and that's people if it was a handful of times a year I Love New York cool city I don't need to go there half a dozen times in a calendar year just to see whatever work events in China yeah or if the events in China which I have you've got Samsung Microsoft oneplus Apple Nvidia Intel like there's six companies six companies launches two products a year you are traveling at least once a month and the thing about these trips and these events is that they're structured in such a way that actually you're gonna see for my oneplus video I love the way that they've done it so to be clear a lot of this ranting is not necessarily directed at one plus but if each of them launches just two products here you're traveling once a month and the problem with these events is the way that they're structured is such that you don't really get any useful insight into the product but you couldn't have gotten from just like watching the Verge's recap yeah I'm watching the hashtag on Twitter yeah and kind of looking at some of the come to you yeah okay I got the gist of it and that takes 20 minutes whereas getting a plane flying somewhere waiting in line sitting in the auditorium playing with your like goofy bracelet that flashes every time Samsung employees say something amazing or whatever it's very time-consuming and I have a life and then you gotta do the coverage on the show floor audio stressful the audio sucks the video sucks the internet connection sucks there's people all around some of them smell nothing I'm generalizing about the tech industry but like just a proportionate number of them smell I don't know man it's just it's rough and I'm not to be clear I have the greatest job in the world I will I would never complain about my job it's just that there are frustrating things that I feel could be done better it's constructive criticism take it that way do you think that oneplus benefits from the fact that Apple bumped them cuz now they got another wave of media and all bunch of articles about them I have no idea I don't know if it makes it better or worse do you think that Apple always plan to have two events yes I think that Apple probably plans their events a year in advance hmm we should do a couple Super chats before we before we go here okay oh wow there's so many of them I don't know if I will get to them all serrated well the EU ruling effect which I would think so in fact I could see it affecting twitch more than someone like you to what it's streaming that's really weird it's impossible it's like actually impossible well would they would the streamers have to agree to Terms of Service that well I'm sure they already do obviously but thank you I ability would pass three of them or something I have no idea like just promise you won't swear right I never finished that thought before the issue is the liability the issue is that even if it's a light touch enforcement of it if the platform is liable versus just being able to respond to DMCA takedowns and go okay we did our job then you know if someone like you know universe Disney okay let's take a lettuce company like Disney we're to go okay the damages of that movie rip being up there for 48 hours were a billion dollars all of a sudden YouTube's on the hook for that and Disney can go after them directly mmm that's a big problem well unless I guess unless the judge was like it looks like they did their their best yeah but then you but you don't want the the lot of if you take that risk yeah do you leave it up to the job I wouldn't I'd be like no no forget it ah FINA shout out from France hi Oh jamika says newsflash Linus people smell there's some money for a good air freshener I can't carry an air freshener around with me Daniel says testing to see what letters show up for Aussies it is a that was three hundred Australian dollars which i think is about equivalent to Canadian rupees holy crap wow thank you did you I'm getting to it I'm getting to Nikolaj says super tech number six come back after the stream and check out line it's a serious face during the EU YouTube talk that's a serious line yeah the eyeliner actually helps a little bit I think does it make me look more serious I don't know I don't know make me look more like a magician definitely okay you kind of just make yeah it makes you look like a worn-out rock star like you and you see like Robert Plant when he's 50 and just Haggard like ooh stop make your Wikipedia picture an old one don't want to see you like this Paul says here's a pound thanks Paul taco preacher says here's a hundred Mexican pesos tech support Josh um contact me I have some ideas uh uh that's very vague I probably okay the kinds of ideas that I've gotten from people on the internet you'll have to forgive me Josh but I probably probably won't be check Jamie says so if article 13 rolls around do you fancy a British migrant only if you can get a work permit and your skills happen to align perfectly with what we're looking for at that time we're not hiring right now brian says loved hearing your insight about what affects pricing in the tech industry yeah I like British accent so we should have more here or Irish how much more credible would I sound with a British accent 10x yeah I think so dspd says are you gonna release the new LTT logo shirts in store ok yes at some point we really want to they've been done for ages we're like we're revamping the store completely chyron yo says here's some european euros for the european talk hope this doesn't make it so I can't watch you guys anymore meet oh goodness okay so this is the 300 Australian dollars really high-density potato paid three hundred dollars to send this message high density potato really wish I could watch the win show from LNG's amphibious aircraft here's $300 - the 30% streaming tax towards making it a reality hmm so is that the deal have we now entered into a verbal contract where I have to buy an amphibious aircraft with it Oh flow plane wait you didn't get that oh because flow plane doesn't do an shows streaming okay yes we will get that working at some point we're actually closer than you probably think why is that something that someone would meant that I would stream from Bob well image quality is better on float plane we could stream at Harbor eat okay like once we have it working we should be able to do it so that it that's one reason that's it for the wine show oh I meant is that's the only reason but okay bye bye is there anything that you're particularly upset that we didn't cover nope talking suck suck this week this fault is that the world No we would have all been laid right around kind of like snuck into videos even though you weren't finished your probation yet you got a kick out of it totally again well you know I got it was cute you gave me a shit for it yeah I know yeah well there's what I mean it's like it's like it's like parents right like they they might yell at you about something but then like when you're not looking or like like when when Yvonne's giving one of the kids heck for something and their attention is completely focused on her I can be like oh well what I just like really cute or what I what happened was other people would need help and they would ask me like Brandon or max or whatever would be like do you can you would you like to and I wouldn't say no I wouldn't be like oh I'm not allowed I'd be like sure guys