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hell yeah brother so we had a theory that while Mack Mack oh we're off to a good start while Apple can refuse to service us they can't very well refuse to sell us stuff and we tested that theory on the brand new MacBook Pro 15 inch 2018 Edition 32 gigs of ram 512 GB SSD 2.9 gigahertz 15.4 inch Radeon Pro 560 X Core I 9 laptop now you guys have probably seen the headlines about this thing headline number one they fixed the keyboard maybe question mark no one seems to be 100% sure about that as of the last time that I was looking at anything and headline number two oh wait I shouldn't open it yet hold on headline number two is that this thing thermal throttle I cam other-- advertiser friendly content so we figured since it actually just arrived like two hours ago because Canada we get to be way behind all the American media outlets we figured let's set ourselves a challenge let's set a timer take can you set a timer let's set a timer and find out exactly how long it will take us to go from completely sealed box to thermal throttled processor so yeah let's let's let's hit this thing okay let me get a knife ready let me get a knife ready actually I'm gonna use Maxine's Fork i hardcore stole that hardcore stole Max's Fork all right do it rip this baby open ah okay garbage goes over there the new 2018 MacBook Pro just like the old MacBook Pro but a better processor but maybe you're not getting the benefit of it alright so we've got our USB type-c cable I mean I'm not gonna I'm not gonna skimp on the unboxing experience that you would normally get here on - tech tip so I want you guys to come along with me on the epic journey of discovery of these documentation this warranty information thanks for that Apple and these Apple stickers that you can put on all of your favorite things look at this now we have a red with an apple sticker oh I'm doing it I'm doing it Brandon I just put that I just put the Apple sticker right over the red logo and don't take that off if you take that off then I mean I'm not gonna fire you because you're a very valuable employee but I could I I could I could say mean things to you I'll say mean things in fact I'll say them to I'll say them to I'll say them to your girlfriend yeah I'll say mean things about you to her there all right she knows me reasonably well yes she knows me reasonably well like we went on a date once so like she probably wouldn't believe what I said no wait we did we did no I'm not joking at all no Brandon couldn't make it because he was literally busy doing camera operation for the show that we went to see and he's like hey I've got a ticket oh by the way you're going with my girlfriend no I'm not joking at all look I'm on this okay I got my power adapter plugged in because Apple makes magical products you can plug this power adapter into any one of the four ports on actually okay not any one of the five ports but any one of the four Thunderbolt 3 ports on this particular device you've got that three and a half millimeter jack hmm yeah I'd love to see that and then two thunderbolt 3s over here to Thunderbolt 3s over there and a whole lot of not a heck of a lot else you got space is a Space Gray there's are different grades a space great I don't know I've never I've never been to space unlike apples color engineers I mean they must have color engineers can you imagine that as a job title I'm its color engineer I mean companies like Pantone must have like lots of color engineers look at that look how fast that booted up see I'm not behind at all oh it's talking to me hi Siri um all right so we're gonna go ahead and select our English language we're not gonna be throttling this okay some people are not super chatting right we got this one guy BJ who goes Linus long time lurker your integrity is golden don't ban me come visit and tour one of our do Realty mega datacenters okay so that's a $20 super chat then like a minute later there's a $40 super chat for wait how does this work why does it keep sending money and then right after that there's a $50 super chat for am I doing this wrong yeah that's that's the last thing will they actually came through after the street ended so that's why it's showing up in today's I'm going I hope this is just an elaborate troll BJ because know you're not doing it right you're doing it super wrong I'm not even life right now I think we've got out Wow we've got a whole bunch of them rolling in today though hi Antonio says thank you for inspiring me to build on my PC X cake says dank book probable I'm waiting look at this I've got the beach ball like I can't I can't do anything so I'm reading super chats okay since emoji oh I'll pay for shipping if you send me the toasted MacBook it's still trash but it's expensive trash also I'll be your color engineer $5 to send a resume to me to be my color engineer you know we probably could use a color engineer but we aren't hiring that visit how long does this take I clicked Canada it's like you know what you know what you're Canadian forget about it you can wait you can wait Canadian weird Canadians are very patient ah here we go alright u.s. whatever it's called let's hop on that that gorgeous Wi-Fi that I will not be sharing my password for with you so I'm just gonna type some things and then I'm gonna pretend to type some other things because I know that from the sound alone you can reconstruct passwords now it's like thank you machine learning and AI now we don't even have to brute-force anything the machines have they're too smart Gareth says throttle me senpai it's a different kind of throttle but you get the joke - your pink Lambo is dying use this $5.00 towards the recycling fee so it can die a peaceful death thank you Jericho but actually we have auto wreckers around here that will take that for me and they'll take the few useful parts that remain like the steering wheel for example and they will pass them along to happy other Oh what did I just do don't transfer it yet we're not transferring it we don't need any information in order to the thermal throttle okay let's get signed into the Apple I do I got this I got this bra as long as I can remember my Apple ID password I should be okay oh we definitely should have put the timer on stream I have read and I agree I have no ain't nobody got time to read the entire terms and conditions right now okay password you know I don't need one I haven't provided all what what it makes you have a password yeah man okay well let's just let's just go with something kind of crap okay are you not are you looking down or what are you not okay good good that's good a hint hi there ha useful hints yeah right okay this is taking longer than I thought I actually don't set up max very often so I really I had no idea how how long the initial setup takes apparently there are 13,000 of you watching to see how quickly we can thermal throttle this thing so I'm feeling a lot of pressure right now Stephen says water-cooled ei9 MacBook I'd love to find a way but the one time we did see water cooling built into a laptop it actually was not a great user experience and it's not something that we're really saying we think manufacturers should jump in and do Express setup yes continue continue is grayed out Siri sure ask Siri oh is that a pay Siri leader okay you sure sure it's fine wow that's really fast oh that is pretty sick I'm just like wow okay all right kudos Apple that is the fastest touch setup I think other than Samsung's swipe one but I trust this one more because it lets me like use a bunch of different parts of my finger that is that is pretty sick oh wait now let's set this up later oh crap uh-oh oh no screw true tone how do I turn it off holy crap Thank You Apple this is what Apple does when they offer you choice but they've already decided what the best option is for you the user they show you what it looks like without true tone and then they're like yeah you can go figure out how to change this later there's no way to turn it off now they're just like here's a tease here's your screen not yellow but enjoy not being able to do that okay setting up your Mac X cake says throttling well doing first boot no no not yet not yet Oh Alexander says you give a super positive review of those carbon thermal pads why haven't you used them much since then um I don't know yet okay apparently Jake's use them so that's cool I'll be honest with you I forgot about them so no no it's fine I won't need it for this I'm not ripping this thing open right now I won't need to open it to thermal throttling now ha prime95 for Mac apparently exists but I guess it's not in the App Store so I'm gonna go ahead and fire that up there what we will grab in the App Store just cuz I don't know I might want to see a more realistic load maybe like the final cuts look professional install I love that that's an essential program according to Apple can I not use touch ID after serious okay don't don't look at that don't look at that keyboard okay think I got it why can't I use touch didn't I just set this thing up like didn't I just do that yeah that's annoying all right so let's go ahead and fire up the Safari what are we at right now sixteen no no I want to know uh yeah the other thing where we don't for time okay so yeah here's prime95 OS ten edition nine minutes okay come on baby gonna do this okay these all look like text things okay then we need primarily five can't be opened because it is from an unidentified develop this shouldn't count against my time your security preference change security fine fine security and privacy ah general allow app somewhat click the lock to make changes I member okay whatever oh wow and touch ID doesn't work for this either okay don't look at the keyboard how much does he want me to enter my passwords like they're in love with my password just that gotta do it again okay what kind of chimpanzee needs to use the touch bar to press a button like unlock instead like you already have enter okay you know what no don't worry about it okay sorry I gotta try and enter this one more time and no offense to anyone who uses the touch bar to interact with system dialogues I'm sure you're I'm sure you're very adept people at least you can type your password without doing it incorrect what is it just oh it wants me stupid why would I want my username one okay yeah okay I got to do the legs cheapo throwaway password alright who's the chimp now right okay so allow apps downloaded from the the only two options are app store and identified developers and app store advanced what am I gonna have to Google this if I change it to just app store is this gonna dance oh you've got to be kidding me your security preferences allow installation of only apps from the App Store yeah open anyway you have to have this thing open there is no button for allow apps downloaded from unidentified developers Wow yeah whatever apply okay hours per day this program will run no no I just want to do a stress test test crap I've never here we go torture test okay so all FFTs there we go baby all right and we also need hardware hardware info or something like that where's where's the app store hardware monitor there's some kind of hold on oh no I think there's a mmm okay yeah let's try a temperature how long is this taking temperature gate $25 upgrade to temperature gauge Pro for free after purchasing and running once fan control a new feature holy crap $25 that's for date he's the touch bar yeah touch bar ooh I didn't know the keyboard shortcut and had to use a touch bar you know what don't worry about it you know I think we're probably just hardware monitor max let's try that hardware sensors is there a hardware monitor like program for Mac there's it hey it's the Linus tech tips for him how about that SEO good job Lucan team very nice all right this one apparently lacks GPU temps but what do I care perhaps the Activity Monitor dock icon sure okay oh wow how do I just how do I just get it okay dying okay back back get Montez let's try Mon it watch this be paid three dollars no I'm not paying three dollars to see the temperature of my system there has to be a free way to do this get Fanny widget sounds like a born thing also bear domain is dead I mean it could have been important thing by now given that they're gone I guess that's what you get for I guess that's what you get for giving away apps to Mac users for free you go out of business HW monitor thank you thank you stream i heart you guys HW mother oh this is just cpuid oh they did they have a they have a Mac version no I don't I don't see that okay I'll try and tell power C Intel probably recognized that it's ridiculous that you can't just power gadget for math but you can't just see your system temperatures and they're like okay I guess we gotta fix this let's see if Intel is a verified developer yes looks like it okay Intel power gadget here we wait install Intel power again no oh only App Store the camera shutting off what do you mean the camera setting off oh okay but they can still hear me probably right yes yeah okay cool pay no attention to the man behind the curtain Brandon don't swear we're live are you turning it back on to this okay there you go that's that's red that's red camera streaming reliability for you right there don't worry you guys aren't missing much I'm just installing the power gadget and also it is letting me use touch ID to install system extension blocked what just no just allow it I don't care open anyway it's Intel it's fine probably ok I think it's going now sheesh install time less than a minute wait I can't tell if it's working because if I go back over here it still says until power gadget dot pkg was blocked from opening because it's not from an identified developer I say open anyway it comes back to this and it does say install time less than a minute but it's not moving so I can't tell if it's actually working Hey installation was successful ok where's my power gadget command-spacebar is like the only Mac shortcut that I know because it's amazing Intel power gadget it is not currently loaded if you just installed the app please load the driver by going to System Preferences security and privacy general and then allows system software from Intel Corporation apps I i already what the heck course right-click is not enabled by default even though it actually does like fundamental important things even on the Mac ok trackpad secondary click oh it's clicked with two fingers I tried to like hard click with - ok fine whatever hah I'm having flashbacks to that video that I did with Justine oh here we go now there's an allow button now it's here this wasn't here before oh my whole plan was that I was going to use the TV behind me to screen share with you guys I even went and got a dongle for my dongle Book Pro which I'm informed as an old dead meme joke now but I don't even care I'm still making it right there suckas boom ok so is this open now Shh what are even happening here there we go alright Intel power gadget open hey there it is there it is okay yes power gadget wow this scaling kind of sucks like can you even see any of that holy crap so all we've done so far with four percent utilization five six okay I don't know what is doing five let's say five all we've done is like install power gadget and prime95 also I have Final Cut Pro that is that's fully installed now and we are at 56 degrees on the package oh boy oh boy they're um well that's gonna be fun isn't it alright let's start a torture test and let's see how long this takes you ready kids twelve thread Boop oh they're way over here oh we're at a hundred degrees yeah ah can we see what frequency it's running at I don't know where is it Wow so what is it that in amps ia would that be current in amps eyes current right yeah current core frequency wait what current core power oh here we go current package power wait what oh that's weird no nope can we see what what frequency our CPU is running at which one oh there we are oh cool I didn't see that I went your mouse over this it says current core frequency so I got confused see that there's a little gap there where like the mouse over is broken so we are we managed to run over three gigahertz for this long what is that like two or three seconds Wow maybe that might be about five seconds and then we drop all the way down to two point gigahertz and change and the fan is starting to ramp up finally finally the MacBook Pro is figuring out oh you want to do so oh you want to do something oh about that now in fairness to Apple prime95 small FFT is a fairly brutal workload like that's it's not realistic necessarily but I bet we can reproduce these results with something else as well so let's go ahead and just force quit prime95 boop boop and then you guys are about to watch something amazing I promise it's amazing because I'm gonna try to do something in Final Cut Pro and it will amaze you how bad that's gonna look alright Final Cut Pro I actually bought this just for the MacBook 2016 video so that I could like see how all the like fast video encoding times that the other guys are talking about and it is really fast it's like actually pretty impressive alright so man the TV's cut off outputs like over scanned or whatever okay so what's a smart collection oh man you know what maybe maybe I won't do this all I want is just to get like a video file okay new project here we go untitled project yeah sure okay whatever and then let's get like a video clip or something right and Brandon do you know how to use Final Cut how about import import media does that seem likely okay cool um okay devices favorites how do you just go to a network drive of course you can't just go to a network drive right I remember that Oh oh boy oh boy finder hold on man I might I might I might give up on this I might actually give up on this okay finder preferences it preferences advanced map map network drive Matt network drive please yeah I don't remember how to do this wait connector server there it is okay go it's under go sorry I should have known server address okay let's try that connect there was a problem I think you have to Oh SMB cool so that no that's not working I get sort of how many people are watching 23,000 people are watching me fail at final cut oh that's not good okay you know what then I'm gonna I'm gonna cut this off the point is it probably wouldn't I should have just installed premiere at least I know how to like add a video clip to a timeline in premiere I'm like sweating right now freaking out trying to remember how to do that I don't remember how your aren't we're we're onto a flash drive oh cool okay then in that case I'm gonna burn two minutes talking to super chat people while I wait for that Francisco says one dollar more than the last guy now I'm a color engineer okay good good good good on ya DJ asks how much life does a CPU lose when it's hot like a hundred degrees okay that's actually a wow that's actually a really good question from DJ gaming so we don't know exactly because it would vary from chip to chip so some processors are more resilient in like high high thermal environments than others that's why and that's true of actually a lot of components like for example when you're shopping for capacitors you can find capacitors that are rated to run at eighty-five degrees or capacitors that are rated to run at a hundred and five degrees so it comes down to the individual product as for CPUs we don't know how long Intel like we don't know what Intel's curve looks like but we do know that they probably have one internally like an exact expected failure rate at any given temperature range so it would go from zero at you know zero degrees or some some very small amount and and they usually rate failure rate in terms of per year what percentage of them would die or something along those lines so it would go from like very very low and then it would probably look kind of like this and then it would have like an exponential upswing what we know is that Intel has set some kind of internal bar for a hundred degrees being the maximum level at which they would consider that fill that annual failure rate failure rate to be acceptable so we don't unfortunately know what percentage of them it will cause to die but we do know that more thermals makes it more likely that they will die even if we don't know exactly by how much so there you go great question duck goes quack says I've always wondered this can you use liquid metal for a liquid cooled computer no you okay asks if we can put mercury in the tubing for a liquid cooled computer theoretically sure but no that would be really cool that would be a lot of mercury that would be like scary stuff don't worry water has excellent thermal transfer and and sheet retention properties we're gonna stick with water sorry yeah legit dangerous like scary would be so heavy Aman says thanks for getting me into tech when I was nine without her I wouldn't be attending Stanford for computer science well you already know far more about it than I do CJ says just throw it out the window it'll be better out there actually it's cooler in my office than it is outside so you're wrong unfortunately you spent $13.99 to be wrong today but that's okay still it's still hard how's that flash drive okay Carl figures I'm thermal throttling thank you for that Erin says if you right-click the app icon and click open instead of double clicking you'll get a dialog that says open anyway oh that's intuitive Thank You Erin the video guy who else we got here captain Cheerios says what happened to Linus is evil twin with the NSI Dragon Tattoo okay that wasn't an MSI dragon for one thing and for another maybe he never left like getting like a shifty eyebrows thing going on here ah what else we got here ha ha Liam sent 15 euros to say remember when Apple made an ad complaining about how often Vista looks for approval and passwords that is funny isn't it I like that I like this guy Thomas says stick some of those heat pipes you had for DIY heat sink onto the back now that is an interesting idea like modding out the MacBook Pro to try to attach some kind of external thermal solution to it I don't know how effective it would be though because we don't even know we'd have to pull it apart to find out how efficiently it even transfers heat to the chassis and then the chassis doesn't have a ton of surface area like it's it's less than you might think because it's flat all right untitled steamy what is that it's teen apps oh that's the microSD that I have in here that's from when I was trying to do the Steam drive on that thing sorry I just I I look I opened up untitled and I thought it was this is an M KB is this even gonna work where'd you even get this what is this oh you recording a stream isn't interesting okay import all my god no important yeah this final cut even support Mk me I don't yeah why would it dang it Jake why would you no I don't need these right now these are just graphite pads I okay okay I got a got to entertain the people somehow juggling I'm gonna get it this time Brendan yes I am hold on no no no I I did wait I did way better in one of our upcoming videos on like budget water cooling I was I was do you think we could edit that together to make it look pretty continuous I know why did I even let him do it this time I should have just gone back and found my own stupid video file all right what else we got in here then buffering says hi babe clock man did you know you can run Mac OS 6.0 point eight on a Nintendo DS I did not thank you I learned something today Victor says hello from Russia cordetta says I bet it doesn't overheat in Canada their attempts are always lower oh yeah oh no it definitely it definitely overheats like basically instantly I mean there's probably people here that like missed it so maybe we should go ahead and just do our demo again our unrealistic demo and I hate that's cutoff options torture test here we go here comes the oh wait hold on let's get the Intel application up weird the torture test go how do you how do you alt-tab on a Mac here we go no it's fine it's fine I got this you know yeah let's do a blends test let's have a look what why is that so messed up look at that that's weird hey why does this say you know what I'm gonna relaunch power gadget just to see if maybe it's gonna be less interpreter yeah that looks better okay cool here comes options wow the fans are already ramping up in anticipation I wonder if they really are can you hear that I know that's interesting that would be a cool little piece of tag if the MacBook was actually watching okay what kind of applications can I be expected to get hurt by let's ramp up the fans proactively because wait no we're at 34 percent utilization right now what's even going on what the heck is using 34% of our CPU time nevermind what does does the Mac have an equivalent to like task manager like how do you how do you see what's using your pride hey Anthony is there like a task manager equivalent and Mac OS Activity Monitor thanks brah okay what's using all the CPU okay apparently prime95 is already grabbing 30 percent CPU oh okay oh but did I start the blend test at some point okay okay I must have but that is so weird what is it doing yeah it is there is a worker thread running okay I don't know why it's doing that so it's only one worker so whatever let's just sit it with the torture test then so now our utilizations at 100% our temperature is going down within our frequencies reporting at yeah 2.6 now Oh so our RAM power goes up because we're blend testing instead of small FFT testing this time and then our CPU power is actually quite down like our power draw but we're still nowhere near the frequencies that this kind of a CPU should be running it all right oh the video file is perhaps here although I don't know whether I can trust Jake to do anything right it's MP force okay okay we're quitting time 95 yeah I don't even I don't even I honestly don't know if it's gonna use these either okay yes yes we can oh thank you import selected the closed window after starting important there we go thank you Jake ooh so what do I just like drag it over or what can I do finger to finger it here like it's not what you think ah okay cool so this is what is this this is the video from Dreamhack okay so then I just need to export it how do you do that well export XML no no file consolidate yeah share it's not share is it's not share is it share you - no Final Cut Pro download additional preferences commands and it what it's not in our file file new no oh man does anyone know how to use Final Cut it's not export you feel in finder reveal in project browser open library how is this even possible how is it not under edit or her file rather should be under file no why can you google this this is terrible in in my defense I over live streaming right now right okay in my defense I have like barely touched Final Cut Pro ever okay yeah I got it yeah there yeah oh oh this this and then is it over here command e no I want to know what stupid button you there are where the thing you click is command E you know what forget it fine I will press command E okay now what crying out loud alright 31.4 Giggs estimated say there's more like nightmare hack now back okay no I don't want to save it to iCloud just I don't know desktop why is desktop iCloud what no I just go downloads just fine okay now let's bring up the Intel power gadget how're we doing here okay what frequency are we gonna run at we peaked at three oh wow it's already down to two point five what 2.8 2.9 2.7 and temperatures still climbing temperatures still climbing camera shutting down again they're gonna miss the moment they're gonna miss the moment when our real load causes it to throttle I mean it's already basically throttling at this point but I mean depends how you define throttling do you fine there it goes there it goes look at that they can't did it shut down again Oh for crying out loud oh if we had screen sharing setup oh oh what about this why don't we just why don't we just rip the HDMI cable out of here and plug it into the capture card can we hold on maybe we could just screen share it you know I don't have an HDMI kit are we back on okay so oh so that's fine I can show you guys the moment I can show you the moment so we got up to about 90 degrees in a real workload 88 and then you can see here where the frequency went from about three gigahertz down to where as low as two point three five two point four two point five and then you can see right here where the power for the package went from 30 I guess these are probably watts probably 30 Watts down to like 20 watts and then it's settled in around 20 to 23 Watts here so realistic work load this thing throttles in a matter of less than a minute and then unrealistic workload it throttles in about three to five seconds and I am thermal throttled now so thank you guys for tuning in to the live three live dream life dream thank you to all of you who sent super chats of course Oh Haiti says don't say Google you triggered literally everything I did it again sorry and oh yeah what can I do for you BJ did make it in before the end of the stream today oh hi again BJ 6969 BJ you are a gigantic troll what else can I say at that point Paulo says we have the i9 and that's a great point I would love to see how the new XPS with the i9 is behaving as well because honestly I suspect it's not much better like we're ripping on Apple a little bit here but they're far from the only ones who have had trouble in the past with what used to be Intel's HK series of processors and now they're calling core I 9 but those are their very high TDP mobile chips so thanks for tuning in guys dislike or like check out our other channels no that's my tech quickie autre oh crap merge bye-bye merge what else am I supposed to say I don't subscribe I will enjoy in the forum during the forum we'll see you there okay okay cut it Jake yes yes I'm sure