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you know looks good again hey hey so welcome to the Wynn show we have awesome topics that we can hopefully talk about on a microphone that is functional this week yeah to companies that start with V have been shut down which will be two separate topics one of them was vine and the other one was vessel so if you're starting a company in 2016 maybe do not name it with a V at the beginning see Linus Media Group perfect name really of the naming scheme doesn't start with a V perfect name for a company there's actually no V in the whole name nope what else probably what like really shows your craftsmanship crash of that name but after that there was also announcements from two different companies that sound like they were announcements for products from the other company there was a laptop and an all-in-one PC announced yeah Microsoft and Apple and I don't know like which one was from who yet somehow we'll just leave the guessing game to you until later in ciao parfaits cable cable bowed down in and in and and and and and and and and in a cable Maude huh I'm actually listening to us like yell out the sponsor names behind the music right now because I'm actually I'm actually monitoring the stream which with the delay on twitch is actually ought to be a nightmare incredibly distracting oh um I thought you plugged into the computer I was like why are we delaying so much it makes so much more sense now no I'm listening to it here cuz I really really need to know if this cable was the problem and if it turns out that this USB cable was the problem I would personally destroy it yep on stream yep before the show is over him so a lot of micro USB died in the car once and Emma was sitting beside me and I ripped it in half with my hands because I was so mad that's pretty good it was so pissed off you're like nedelin I wrapped one around each hand and then pulled it apart oh um I can't remember what it did it like failed me in some way I'm gonna try it's really different this is like hard sleeved and stuff yeah I'm gonna try anyway I wouldn't mine was like thin and I'm still gonna try okay I don't mind I don't mind failing on camera it was good not a new thing for me is it still working it's oh yeah oh yeah it still works probably the cable then yeah probably the cable I'm gonna turn our mic down a little bit here cuz I just grabbed another microphone without actually like checking any of the settings whatsoever what is is this the same mic we just changed the cable not the mic this was a second oh wait this was a different mic though yeah and we're testing you put it over there so that's probably why it's so we'll go ahead we'll do that yep alright so why don't we jump right into our first topic here umm oh this is am I am I on the wrong am I on the wrong doc no no actually this is terrifying just yeah okay so the original article here is from the verge oh speaking of terrifying I have not put in check my screen share yet today Donna dentists if it works I'm excited oh oh ok no it's fine I thought I thought I thought it was shutting down oh hey first time's a charm when a show something work always works on time is nice AT&T - by HBO CNN and the rest of Time Warner for more than 80 billion so I've got a riddle for you okay what's the only thing scarier than a ginormous corporation that owns all the media that you consume an even more ginormous corporation running that owns that owns the delivery media through which you receive all the media you consume yeah yeah yeah this might be one of the only things on planet earth that I and you and Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump all all agree on yeah this is terrible yeah this should not happen it's the worst I love the I love the sub-headline that deal includes Batman okay thanks deal includes the one still somewhat relevant superhero forewarning Oh for Warner okay yeah I was like what no no no there are many other ones they're just all Marvel yeah yeah um so oh not a ton of D we're not gonna go over a ton of details here but news of the merger first surfaced last Friday and actually there are almost no notes on this whatsoever Thank You Colton everything that I knew off the top of my head was more than what he had actually put into the dog here but um yeah there's one kind of funny thing where the US government summoned the wrong Time Warner CEO to like talk about stuff that they summoned Robert Marcus the former CEO of Time Warner instead of Jeff Bewkes who is the current CEO of Time Warner I can't imagine that that would be hard to figure out so I'm kind of surprised that that happened but either way you would think so this comes on the heels of other ISPs also looking to expand their their digital media footprints and I guess that leads us pretty well into what will be one of our biggest topics for today yawn even though the list of people on earth who care is definitely less than the number of people who will watch this video this has a significant impact on us and to a core group of our viewers yeah that are legitimately paying a monthly subscription fee to view our content which is which is pretty pretty unbelievable to us and there are many many more of them than you guys likely realize so Verizon is buying Jason killers video startup vessel and promptly shutting it down so October 26th which was on Wednesday October 26th the news broke we found about it at found found about it found out about it we found it thank you this is why I like having you because like sometimes I sense no make so um we found out about it on the 26th of October and the deal is done not just not just done like vessel comm is shutting down on October 31st that one two three four five days three of which are business days it's gotta be one of the fastest shutdowns after announcement yeah ever and hold on a second hold on no no this is posted October 26th at 5:30 p.m. so like okay one might know that's that's still right I still I still have the numbers right numbers right still I had make sense no yes excellent um so I'll try to do a sponsor spot like that that would be terrible for everyone yeah yeah us sponsored givers no one would win poor Nick he'd have you'd have like a brain tumor um all right so vessel launched about 18 months ago um what else we got it's it's it was helpful for us yeah well here why don't I why don't I kind of talk about pre shut down and then you can go through what's going to happen post shutdown stro so pre shutdown vessel launched with the promise of giving creators um kind of like how what would I compare this to okay so given creators a way to provide some kind of benefit to what they called superfans so some kind of benefit that would drive super fans to pay a monthly subscription for the content and support effectively support the channels that they watch in a way that is much more financially beneficial so more money per view than ad supported platforms like YouTube remember YouTube read was not a thing at the time so the idea was that with a 3 a 5 or a 7 day window viewers who's paid 3 bucks a month for the entire vessel platform would get early access to all the content on the platform and some things about this seemed like a pretty good idea to me at the time and I'll run you through some of the reasons so number one is being able to monetize views more than the fraction of a cent that we get for a YouTube ad that was a big one number two the ability to pull some of the content and some of the some of the audience off YouTube yeah we're we are relying on the goodwill of Google for our continued existence was a huge one for us like Ashley really sketchy massive because it was I had already dismissed joining vessel I was done I wasn't going to look into it and then Google pulled a thing where they were like okay we were gonna crack down on creators having native advertising that they baked into their videos and like it's going to get real and if they want to have native advert and logo in their video that brand is going to have to go through Google to buy out all of the different ad units on that video which logistically how does that even like for how long like you didn't even make any sense and so we were like holy crap we need something so vessel also offered us that and for the first the other thing they offered was one free year to our viewers yeah which was which I thought was pretty cool because the way that I looked at it this was a Silicon Valley startup and I'm not going to say that I I saw the platform failing coming at the started actually like I was like on board I was like ready to ready to do this thing but it's a Silicon Valley startup that's signing a one-year contract with us are sorry it was a it was an 18-month contract 18-month contract I think with the potential to renew for another 18 months as long as no parties wanted out so it was like a three-year contract with an 18 month out the first year of which would be free yeah for all of our users yeah so I kind of looked at it Mike I mean and we were allowed doing simultaneous content when it came to like show content or timely content like wine show and stuff like that so I didn't think it would hurt anyone so we worked out a deal where you know and we were at that time also looking at ways to make ourselves less reliant on the pace at which new technology was being released so that was right around the time that we were developing concepts like scrapyard Wars concepts like moving vlog concepts let concepts that did not rely on razor or Apple or Microsoft to deliver us some new shiny thing that would drive people's interest in our videos trying to make it more personality driven more project driven you know compensator to is right over there there's going to be a great video and did not rely on any single hardware to be released so that we could like go viral by dunking it in water for an hour or whatever the case may be so all these things kind of aligned for us and we went oh yeah not to mention that wait am I allowed to say that okay so what I don't know can you hint No so okay long story short through vessel we were able to make a lot more money per video than we were without it and right this is the other thing I had just signed the deal on the warehouse that we are sitting in today I had just signed the deal the mortgage deal on it and YouTube came out with their thing that was going to significantly affect our ability to monetize those videos a very scary time and vessel offered us the opportunity to better monetize our videos right at that moment so I had like a down payment to make I had a tenant improvement to do I had to build an office inside this building I don't know how much you guys know about like leasing renting or buying commercial space but like you're lucky if it's an empty box because then you save the money that it would cost to rip out whatever stupid thing the previous person put in and get it hauled away to the landfill so um so there you go and so now in terms of what happens to people who are already subscribers you will be provided complimentary access through the month of October also known as like a few days three bucks uh yeah you were given a refund till the beginning of October yeah if you bought an annual sub so you will have hopefully good been given so many good thing yeah if you were subscribed through iTunes which I didn't even know was possible but I'm sure yeah if you were subscribed to your iTunes you need to contact Apple customer support for a refund that's what you get for subscribing through iTunes yeah and you will apparently be receiving an email with instructions and yada yada yada so if you're a vessel subscriber check your email yeah ah basically it got people asking what does this mean for nerd sports great question I don't think we know yeah so um we have a call with go ninety next week which is a subsidiary of Verizon also an online streaming platform not an early access platform and my understanding is that if Verizon owns vessel but did not keep the content creator contracts like hours to produce early access content in place but did keep the employee contract presumably to move on to another project because vessel comm is going away then content creator contracts that are not the standard ones like the exclusive content ones seem to be in kind of a grey zone yeah so we will have to find out which or how that works what is going on with that yeah I some people are asking what is going to happen in the future for like viewers that weren't on vessel honestly but probably nothing noticeable no so I'll tell you this much we are not planning to take our seven days of buffered content and dump it onto YouTube in one day this would be an enormous disservice to me Luke and all the other people who work on those videos because however many of you go yeah that would be great I'm going to binge watch the crap out of that the cold hard truth is that due to the way the YouTube algorithm works if we step on our own video releases with rapid-fire video releases it significantly decreases the the propagation of those videos in people sub boxes suggested video suggested channels and all that stuff so we would basically be significantly and like I'm talking like we could get half as many 1/3 as many a quarter as many views on those videos we would be significantly damaging the impact of those videos by just dumping them all on YouTube at a time and having a buffer is really helpful for us anyways because that could afford us more time to work on really super cool stuff like can I reveal a thing behind me yeah yeah this thing which you can't absolutely see that one yeah that is a desk PC part two so that's that's its current state yeah I'm not kind of stuff can take a little bit and an eel toast and it's fine it's like crawling on the floor and it's not even even going free uh yeah so I don't know that kind of stuff could be awesome so um so yeah I guess should we take Twitter blitz questions we've got a we've got no I'm falling into a chat alright yeah we've got we've got other people in twitch chat asking if there's any possibility that we would look into creating our own early access platform and I won't say no I I think there's I think even with a fairly rudimentary system maybe through our forum or something like that I think there are tangible benefits but we could offer people for like a month some kind of a monthly fee and we haven't really talked about how much it would be I was like you're gonna give examples of the tangible benefits or not I'm not sure if we should I don't I don't I don't know okay so on vessel right now probably or maybe shortly after when show there's a video where I talk about these things so I guess I might as well just it's just like me sitting at my that's what I was recording when you came upstairs oh yeah so are you just putting your own vessel yeah it's only going on vessel that's cool so basically what we're what we're asking people to do no I don't think that's them no I don't think patreon is the answer because patreon we've talked to them before about building like an API or working with the api's that exist for other platforms to more tightly integrate so if someone was a patron we could offer them a coupon code on teespring or something and they have expressed zero interest it seems insane developing those kinds of relationships and those kinds of benefits which to me is very frustrating because right now patreon is basically a money collection platform and not much more yeah in my mind yeah because everything that the creator does as a benefit to their patrons has to be manually done like yes you can you can upload a small video or photo or a post other than that but if you wanted to do like a merch reward or a coupon we're not huge fans of exclusive like actually constantly exclusive stuff we like share if we're gonna make something we generally like sharing it with everybody and generally and and even if you were to do like the stuff that you can't do for everyone like if you wanted to do at a certain tier like a signed thing patreon doesn't have like a fulfillment center partner yeah that we could just fill an entire box full of sign shirts with and send it to them but they don't really facilitate your ability to to to actually execute these rewards and it's an inherent problem with the platform because most of the creators on it are small-time creators for whom the burden of signing 200 hats and then packing them addressing them remember International shipping is a bitch okay actually shipping them paying for all that like the good it is overwhelming it hurts their ability to create content is one of the main reasons that Linus tech tips does not have a patreon it's something that we tried for channel super fund and that in my mind has largely fallen flat given that like if patreon had the infrastructure so that you could more easily provide meaningful rewards like something like a free vessel membership at a certain patron level that would have been really cool one thing that I really liked was the teespring discount idea yeah I actually loved that idea make many tons of sense because if if you're going to contribute to a patreon yeah in my opinion one of my favorite things to buy is like a shirt yep or like like one thing that I've been interested in is like the CGP grey sweater sure because CGP grey is great and his feather looks cool and I was like maybe and I might I'm not sure but like that I like that kind of stuff because I like the mitten it show support I mean all the women in the audience have wet panties over your commitment oh yeah my bad I'm thinking about it I just I own like literally 15 sweaters I really really don't need any more I just love sweaters anyways come on you're bang right now thank you yeah I actually do like this one I've been writing the videos more because it's becoming wintertime slowly anyways but I'm also wearing shorts so I don't know what's up with that on what who you are but yeah being able to give something like that would be cool and like like we actually genuinely tried really hard to get the whole vessel subscription thing going yeah and like doing doing things and the other thing too is doing things that are part of a workflow yeah um where you could do and out like an exception thing like assigned hat once in a while yeah but if you have things that are automatic like if I just create my videos and I upload them here and then a few days later upload them there and just automatically my patrons get this stuff early things that happen automatically help small time creators um so they didn't really get any of that done and I think you know I think if vessel had managed to figure out partnerships like that or if they had managed to figure out how to get their creators really on board with what they were doing maybe they would have had success they had a lot of big creator partners yeah but it didn't seem like they had a lot of big creator fall through and yeah there I think that's perfect I think a lot of the big creators saw the immediate knee jerk reaction of viewers not liking have the idea of having to pay for something that they used to get for free and when whoa I'm not touching that with a ten-foot pole yeah when the reality of it is viewers are now paying for something early that everyone can still get Fergie and I think most of our audience eventually did understand that like it didn't it didn't change almost anything you still got like embargo date reviews exactly when they were supposed to go up you'd still got a video a day like nothing ever actually can like YouTube platform there's stuff that people think is due to the vessel exclusivity period like the fact that we tweet about projects that don't get released for a month but the reality of it was is that you were going to complain if I tweeted about it and then it didn't come out for three weeks the same as you're going to complain as if it's four weeks like we just we do work a fair bit ahead we have a one-week buffer in addition to the vessel one week buffer yeah for where we expect to be at for filming video there's projects that I will finish and I don't see go up on vessel for like a while later because they'll just get pushed back if they're not timely if they're a review of something like the like I think there's the Nintendo controllers yep I did that review that's not timely those have existed for a while that doesn't need to come out at any specific point in time yeah so I think those kind of saturated shuffle the schedule a lot yeah so we'll prioritize new stuff coming in that's very important yeah we do it all the time and and sometimes things just take a long time so to the water-cooled PlayStation 4 my first email to a table to uh be bring a pen sorry my first email to D Brent saying yo this is like a dope AF idea you want to sponsor it was on January 25th of 2015 or 2016 rather yeah 10 months no nine months whatever that works out too many months before the release of the video so like I'm sorry for that but some of the projects we do are large or longer-term projects and it just does take some time and some of them like like I'm currently I've had a lot of questions about this lately because then like I looked at my last personal rig update and looked at the comments and there's a comment on there from like two weeks ago being like so where's part three it's been like so many months like over a year uh uh yeah it's very close I have all the computer hardware parts but in part two I just did like a theorycrafting thing where I like showed people what I was thinking of doing and everyone hated that for very good reasons because nothing actually like really happened in the video so this time I need one of those theories at this point they're like gone yeah that test bench is literally in the garbage can right now I'm not kidding it's being taken out like next week I don't want it anymore it's gone it's going to be gone I guess so but I have all the new computer hardware including the case and everything everything's ready to go what I'm waiting on is amethyst points and I'm not going to explain why do you know why I don't know why but I know I should hahaha squarespace.com Squarespace is the place to go if you want to build yourself a sick dope AF sleek website that looks great on any device whether it's a laptop a cell phone or a big ginormous projector screen I don't know that too many people I don't know that there are too many people who browse the web on a projector screen but I feel like I wouldn't be doing my due diligence if I didn't find out just how much of our audience oh my god on a projector screen how many of them browse it on internet browse web on projector yes no and no I don't Oh what do I do you can just do a poll it's actually fine okay kuna so you guys you got it you got to hit us you got to hit us in the twitch chat let us know sup so so sup so that should've been the third option this is up um they've got 24/7 support via live chat and email it's only twelve bucks a month to start and you get a free domain if you by Squarespace for the year and they've got lots of great features that take building a website and may kit so that normal people can do it and this is awesome so my dad has been here helping me with desk PC and they're involved in this like construction company project or like shareholders or something anyway so the guy who runs the company is taking advice from a bad IT guy okay so my dad convinced the guy running it that they should be in charge of like the outward marketing okay so the website is kind of under my dad which like my dad's not not an expert by any stretch of the imagination when it comes to like website CSS no no okay so the woodworking looks great so other than your with that said my yeah my dad would have no trouble with it if it was a Squarespace site for sure like I can handle that no problem my mom made a beautiful website Oh squeeze the salty IT guy that has the ear of the owner is like real men have scratch coated websites so basically he's one of those IT guys that creates work to keep himself important you know what I'm talking about like okay okay I can understand Squarespace is a wonderful platform but they don't claim to be a wonderful platform for everything they're wonderful platform for most things why don't I explain what the website needs to do okay it's a simple company website who are we what do we do here are some sample floor plans and some pictures of some homes and here's how you get in touch with us okay so he either should have been done that website in like an hour or two or should probably just see Squarespace just like so so so so yeah one of the great things about Squarespace is that if you don't have a dedicated IT guy to go in and update your website for the ever-evolving web standards or new browsers or whatever else the case may be Squarespace deals with all that crap for you our Lynas Media Group com website has a sort of this is sort of embarrassing we give we issue with updating we should be putting some of the new employees on it and stuff but like basically hasn't been touched since we put it up and it still works exactly the way I did when we first did so when you decide to sign up for Squarespace which my dad should make sure to use offer code when to save 10% mine still says aka slick PC I know anyone mine still says CEO wait no that's right sometimes I'm not sure I thought janitor was more accurate yeah um we have John we have Dennis we do not have we do not have the latest threat yeah wait four four one two wait is my wife even on that is he falling on their five hahahaha it's pretty bad oh it's really bad the other four there is actually four more I'm glad she doesn't watch when show there there there and there right yeah oh yeah fresh but so fresh books is 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style so you can't even see the colors of the wires at all cabling for PCs but they also have a bunch of other stuff these days so they are one of the leading guys when it comes to RGB lighting strips they've got adhesive backed ones they've got magnetic backed ones which are superior by the way yeah as long as you have a case with any steel in it even if you don't I think you'd probably be better off taking little metal stickers and like like permanently gluing those because the problem with the with sticking adhesive to the material that lighting strips are made out of is that it doesn't stick very well yes in heat so if you just like put metal on and stuck them at the magnetic lines nice they're just I don't know they've got RGB they've got RGB W so they have actual white LEDs on the strip so you don't get that weird rainbow effect they've got RGB UV so you can have UV as well as RGB lighting but they've got a new product and that is their sleeved external cables so now you can get 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more or less yes but I I've never I've never understood or liked vine I've always had tons of problems because for some reason the videos just wouldn't play all the time I never want to have the app because they're like I don't care so I try to load the videos in like a browser which was supported and then they'd air out and they just I just why why does it need to be six seconds I don't understand and I'm just happy it's gone screw it I don't care so you'll still be able to access and download your vines the website will continue to be online creators will be notified before the company makes any additional changes to the website or app but yep that is that is pretty much it you know what on the subject of you saying that you didn't want to install the app do you think that part of this is due to and okay I am going to I'm going to make something up because it's possible that someone out there has talked about this or even use the same terminology that I'm about to use but I haven't looked into it at all but do you think that it's due to something that I'm gonna call app fatigue okay like it used to be in the early days of the iPhone you get excited to just like download everything yes yeah it was like it was like holy crap there's an accelerometer I want like a compass act we're like oh now I can use my phone as like a level like like there was there was an app for for every stupid thing and your phone was just like like I remember my first iPhone my iPhone for I had like pages and pages of apps that's a good product what does my first iPhone my first life I don't know why it just does where is now every phone gets exactly the same load up load out of one homescreen worth of stuff so that everything is close together and organized I've always been very extreme on that I could only have one page of icons thing and I usually don't even like it being my homescreen because I like my homescreen just being clean I just have it off to the side and it's only one page so for me a big part of it comes from especially on Android especially on Android random apps crushing your bad battery life yeah and not even like due to the all the amazing cool stuff they're doing in the background just due to shoddy coding practices and Google's complete inability to prevent developers from sucking up all the power of your device and especially prevent them from reporting that they are not prevent them but not require them to report that they're sucking the power do you know how many times I've like had my an Android phone just like be hot in my pocket yeah hot in my pocket pull it out I've lost 30% battery in the last few hours I'm looking at it going I go into battery and it's like Android system Android OS having consumed everything and like the screens like 2% like I've hardly touched my phone that day drives me freaking crazy so do you think that part of the motivation for this is Twitter's question of do we need what is already a weaker brand to distribute social media crap do we need to try to get past the friction that users have with installing more app more freakin apps on their phones and finally there was another reason one interesting thing is that almost no one even downloads any apps if you look at like overall actual statistics in terms of smartphone usage yeah the majority of people don't download any apps I've got a straw poll for you guys though in the meantime while he keeps talking it's gonna be argue app fatigued and I want to hear from you guys and then getting up - I've been doing I've been doing way too much research because I'm currently working on my review for the pixel I know the back doesn't look normal it's because I have a skin on it and yeah the majority of people that have smartphones don't download any apps you have to realize that this is the majority of people and now the majority of people have smartphone right so like this is this is everyone this isn't just you guys I'm sure the majority of people watching the show download plenty apps but like we are probably not even necessarily getting fatigued but we're probably getting to a point where we don't want anymore we're down to download apps we just want to download the ones that we know that's a type of fatigue okay I would argue I would argue that you experience fatigue yeah kind of deal cuz I don't want any new apps I know I just want the apps that I have to work the way that I expect them to and I'm down for them to gain functionality yep and every once in a while I'll throw something unusual on like oh I need to do a screen recording or something okay yeah screen recorder but the women yeah I'll clean it up after that's exactly like like when periscope came out I loved the idea so I downloaded the app but I didn't really want to you and I never really used it sounds like a I know now periscope go next well it's integrated now yeah if you periscope stream it like does it through your Twitter anyways I know but I'd love to see the periscope app just yeah why no completely because it's unnecessary yes that's what I'm talking about I'm down with Twitter gaining functionality I don't want to download a new app for the same freakin thing so this is something this is another thing that drives me crazy and this was the other point that I made when I was wondering about the motivation and why dilute a brand yeah you see this over and over and over again do I i I think with cars I kind of get it because an automobile purchase trying to section things out a little bit is is such a large purchase and the the emotion the way you appeal emotionally to a car buyer is very different from the way that you appeal to oh I don't know someone who's buying in my mind like a wireless access point that's a very specific rep and the thing about and the thing about car brands is that whether we're talking toy ootah or lexus they don't they don't seem to UM say so so for the most part for better or for worse going back to your acura with that horrible airbag recall yeah the actual quality of a Honda engine is pretty much regarded as equal whether you're buying an Acura or a Honda and the same goes for a Toyota like they don't differentiate based on the core functionality a2b don't break down they seem to be trying to deliver a pretty consistent experience regardless of whether we're talking about one of the more premium or a sub-brand the one that drives me crazy is the brands that try to differentiate on quality by having like a main brand like a known brand and then like a sub brand so a perfect example of this back to wireless access points is ruckus if you know enterprise Wi-Fi you know ruckus ruckus is like Bond it's probably what you're using if you have good Wi-Fi reception in an airport or something and then they introduced like a lower-end brand aimed at small businesses called exclaim I opened up the access point and it is a ruckus access point with like one small difference like PCD is the same most of the internal components are the same it's basically a firmware difference and I'm going to looking at it going why not just have a lower why try to build a brand from scratch from nothing why not just have a lower line like a 100 series and still use the same brand because you're clearly not differentiating on quality if you're trying to have like a perceived difference because it's the same product why do this so I'm not exactly gonna be able to answer this but fluke 16 says why dilute brands lol but you have three YouTube channels okay so really different that's that is that is more to do with YouTube than it is to do with us if I could have one channel called Linus Media Group that people could subscribe to in one click or I could have three shows called Linus tech tips tech quickie and channel super fun that people could individually subscribe to that would be perfect yep but YouTube wasn't designed for that we don't own the distribution yes of the videos therefore we need to we got to train to gain by to control how we can distribute them as much as we possibly can and the best way for us to do that is to co integrate as much as we can if we if you go to the Linus sex tips channel yeah and you scroll down a little bit tech quickie is right there right there you can watch the videos right there yeah but the the reality is that the way that YouTube distributes video to your subscribers is heavily al algorithm based such that if you know half of our viewers weren't interested in channel superfund let's say every time this this Linus media group channel dumped a channel super fun video out it would increase viewer fatigue and YouTube would stop distributing our videos and recommending them to people across the platform as much yeah the more focused your channel is the more likely you are to be picked up by the algorithm and shared and skyrocket perfect examples of this that we've seen in the last year are guys like what's inside every video is the same formula or the pneumatic thing yes you crushing things or someone like techrax okay you watch a techrax video you watch a what's inside video you know what you're gonna get a guy destroying an iphone in some kind of creative manner and a guy in his kid cutting something open and looking at what's inside it and that allows channels like that to the kind of explosive growth that we for better for worse never will because we try to tackle a broad broad variety but even then we're limited if we tried to start doing like pet videos on Linus tech tips it would hurt us in a huge way I mean we experienced recently a big drop in per video viewership that turned out to be due to us just having kind of a run of about five days of videos that were below viewer expectations in terms of the interest level and all of a sudden our new videos as far as we could tell we're getting delivered to maybe 60% as many people and so that's why that's why we do what we do because we have to the game we're playing what else um okay multiple lots of people asking about Dennis so um I got you I I don't know I don't know how much to say or not say I guess now that it's over should I just like be upfront like what happened with Dennis yeah okay so Dennis wasn't working here um for a long period of time actually um basically what happened and it comes back to my first conversation with Dennis where I interviewed him and I asked him if he had a Canadian work permit and he said yes and didn't clarify exactly how long his Canadian work permit was valid for and anyway so his Canadian work permit expired so he had fortunately he still had visitor visa status so he didn't actually have to like we permanently leave the country and go back to Taiwan but Dennis has been gone while we've been going through a very very long tedious process that anyone who wants to hire a foreign national who doesn't have a work work visa has to go through and it's called an lmia it's a labor market impact assessment and so what we have to do is we have to demonstrate that the pivot for the position that we want to hire in this case we want to hire dentists that it will not affect Canadians who are equally qualified who are also looking for that job or that those applicants would not be suitable for us so that whole process took about six months because we actually began it long before Dennis's work permit expired and as of I believe it was as of Friday last week um I had was it Friday last week last week I had an interview with with an agent who was reviewing finally like it took months after it was submitted for anyone to even look at it but I had an interview with the agent and it really did not look very good but thanks to Yvonne's diligence because she documented freaking everything like the agent was like why didn't you hire this guy who applied and Yvonne was like Papa buh-buh-buh okay we emailed him on this date he emailed back on this date he got a job somewhere else the agents like okay moving on to the next one Lake they dug deep yeah and thanks to Yvonne's diligence effective november 1st i believe yeah i dennis is back yet linus media group oh so there you have it it has been extraordinarily stressful for us because dennis is as you guys know and i'm sure can appreciate an extremely valuable member of our team here we take a very you know no man left behind sort of approach to things I'm not gonna I'm not going to like I'm not bragging or anything but like to me this kind of thing is very important it cost us many thousands of dollars to go through this process in order to make sure that Dennis could not only get his work permit to work here but it's also probably the last one of the last steps for him to get his permanent residence and officially become a Canadian so yeah um that's that's been that's been really exciting for for me and one and for him so yeah there you go that is what we have been the journey of dennis has been very interesting very quiet about and that's actually it feels good to get it out there yes like oh I've addressed on like my thing but the only thing I've said the whole time is that he's not working here right now yeah oh we're allowed to really say so there you go it it was really close oh man was it close um what else we got for topics today oh wow nice Oh Microsoft janilla oh yeah we haven't even talked about the Microsoft and Apple things and it's six makes a pornhub offers to buy vine six seconds is more than enough and you know what considering vines auto loop that might be true yeah there could be some pretty creative uh pretty creative x-rated vines I'm sure yeah I mean money banner ads for pornographic sites are basically vines really about it pornhub has promised to restore vine - it's not safe for work glory was there like Nazi for work stuff on vine yeah okay yeah yeah and then they tried to clean it up and make it advertiser friendly and then now they're closing it hahahaha three in five seconds or less oh man that's funny all right let's talk about the MacBook Pro so the original source here is oh hold on no I want to do those straw polls before I totally forget yeah so browse web on projector you guys are full of crap yeah twenty two percent twenty two percent projector sales go through the roof that is everyone starts making them gigantic load of garbage everyone watches my dorm room tech video and they're like wow yeah every this video makes sense now okay are you at fatigued 78 percent of you saying yes so I have to take these results with a grain of salt because you guys are a bunch of freaking liars no dude 22 percent are not app fatigued and are watching this on a projector well projectors you can't install apps on projectors bogus unless you had an LG smart projector oh dang alright so moving on to the new MacBook Pro this far and with a touch strip along the top that replaces the function bar I got to say good move I mean it's not the first time this ideas ever come up the art lemma dev optimist keyboard was the first one to have the same OLED displays behind every key and you could probably do that did anyone ever get one I don't think I ever saw it outside of concept art but that's like what got me interested in keyboards yeah so I guess we got a lot of people interested in people so so they officially give a crap about laptops again but they don't seem to know who they're making them for because it says right here MacBook Pro and it's not for professionals as far as I can tell but this this raises a lot of questions for me this here because the 13-inch model unless you dock it the 13-inch model I'm docking marks from Apple that's what's getting docked right now dang dang ah my egg roll isn't worth a laptop dock is my scroll considering the USB sea ports of this thing has wow those are expensive oh man every 13-inch MacBook Pro has no dedicated GPU I'm sorry are you kidding me 20:25 54 no dead EGP you know I'm down I get it so you got sold I mean this is the thing holding now Apple is the company pre-or that whips out the GPU performance slide piriform every time they release a new iPad or an iPhone and talks about the importance of GPU heterogeneous compute for for for the performance of future computing devices I mean this can produce graphics and then Intel iris graphics 550 and then builds a professional product that goes all the way up to twenty five hundred US dollars hold on nowhere on CA ronzi a so let's be cognizant of that let's try to go to us and see if that works okay so let's bring it up with with the u.s. prices all the way up to dreams thousand US dollars with eight gigs of RAM and no graphics card and not a single type a USB port I'm sold no one will ever need more than eight gigs of RAM I mean to be clear you can configure it with more memory oh but you wouldn't need to so let's look at the 15 inch which you could make the argument is more of a is more of a professional grade do they even have quad cores holy crap no I've missed that they don't even have their drill course they don't even have quad core processors no one needs more than 2 cores 2 cores 8 gigs of RAM like anything above that is you're just compensating I don't even understand what this product is compensator call it watch the video is coming out this is like this is like MacBook Pro for students and I understand that it's like lots of students go buy a MacBook Pro so so basically Apple's given up on because my whole thing with Apple is that so much of their marketing in the past has been around selling what people want to be and selling what people want to do versus what they are and what they can do so like an apple commercial is full of like all the amazing like videos that you create when the reality of it is is it's a very small subset of the population yep that creates any kind of video that anyone anywhere would want to watch also no birds I'm sorry Austin Evan yeah sure I'm actually like looking for I guess are you doing a review of yes I am you are ok yeah I'll look forward to your video - Wow I'm ready to see what you guys say about it because the USB type-c stuff it's actually kind of interesting losing type a is gonna suck but I like seeing how many types sees they I can disappointed with the fact that there's no Taipei's what I'll tell you right now is that I Without Really realizing what I had done because I didn't watch the event and I didn't look that closely at the specs do you order do a court I ordered a dual-core 13-inch MacBook Pro so I can tell you right now my review will contain a a concise but a spirited rant about how Apple could possibly believe that dual core is Pro for anything um yeah so there's that I forget where I was going with whatever I was talking about before but for Thunderbolt 3 ports Babel - what could I possibly need for Thunderbolt 2 ports for that I can run with a dual you you could charge 4 pixels at a time not an iPhone you can't plug that it don't buy one first that's my favorite thing oh man they don't have a first-party cable I I don't think I well ok there's probably an adaptor or something like that but you have to buy it after the fact I do not believe the iPhone comes with a lightning to USB C connector no it doesn't so you you can literally walk out of an Apple store without being able to plug your iPhone into yeah but remember apples vision Apple has the courage to do away with wires but not but not the courage to have wireless charging or the ability to plug their own products into each other what happened to like the insanely cohesive hard to get outta of Mac ecosystem I've heard it's still hard to get out of but like they don't even work well properly you have to get an adapter to plug your phone into your own Mac laptops wireless wireless is the future but but it's not Airport why does he call it Airport are there planes do you duh I don't know I don't know gonna say to you dock then I was like wait nope that's that star citizen or Eve nope nope nope umm what are we even talking about right now okay so Mac right right I wanted to talk I wanted to talk about the specs of the 15-inch I I'm like I'm screwed I can't believe I just ordered a do that's what for like $3,000 Chancellor debrand ordered it oh they're sending it skin like I I might have to I might have to get in touch with deer and be like yo well hold on hold on to it hold on um hold on okay so dude you can get 16 gigs of memory that's 2 times the amount that Union gets even worse okay so the 15 inch has whopping Radeon Pro 450 graphics oh dang for 2400 to 2800 US dollars dang two gigs of VRAM hell yeah I mean this is realest you don't even get any more ports I thought they'd give you you know five at least five thundercutter book reports you need that fifth one dude you got to have it I wonder if you could okay yeah I'm not even gonna bring that up do you like okay no I'm interested now fear it I doubt it because the powers there's no way the power supply would be able to take this but could you like plug it in through all of those ports to charge us has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever said but like does it dynamically know if one of them is receiving power an alternative receiving power off on all the other ports I'll be perfectly honest with you like I said I did not watch the keynote okay so it's possible there's like one there's actually a dedicated charging part yeah okay sure okay I'll have to look again like I don't I am wondering if you if you plug in a bunch of type C devices and put them all to like charge the other device is that gonna like screw the MacBook up or how does that even I don't think so I've never tried you should be correctly should be correctly managed um so yeah I Color Me not impressed I do not agree that it's a touch of genius I love the huge trackpad I love the idea of the dynamically reconfigurable function row I think that is a step forward and is a great move I am NOT a fan of the i/o but hey oh ya know they do charge via the USB type-c port so there you go I knew it charged through that I was wondering how to deal with the multiple ports yeah um so it does have a headphone jack at least it has that going for it yeah it looks great it's really thin but I don't I can't think of a reason why it should be is thin and give up having a decent GPU and in the case of the 13-inch a GPU at all and a proper CPU can I help you at ICAO titled 8a oh thank you single type a have you seen his hair whose have you seen his hair yes sir yes I don't think you even notice that brief only to come no no no I don't I don't I don't notice I don't notice if you get a haircut I notice if you haven't had one in like four months and my money's worth when I get hurt yeah oh is it are you bald no oh yeah that's good that's good yeah all right number one so uh what by the way you guys were right we haven't even made it through the four topics yet for topic when show okay let's talk about talk surface studio all right so we didn't get to see this so we wanted to go to the launch for this but we had what like three days notice us way more notice than that okay we were just in a situation where you were right you were out I had pneumonia yeah so we didn't have someone to send and we didn't know what it was gonna be we didn't know that it was gonna be like other fallen like machine super and II am sure it was they were like you should really go it's like right up your alley but then the only picture that I had about it said like an update for Windows or something or like the future of Windows I think was the future of Windows and then yeah and then there was a rumor at the exact same time that was about another just software update to Windows so I was like okay so evidence that Microsoft understands what the word professional means yeah even though they didn't even use it but they are that they have Pro in creative process so there's that okay um this is a ball and machine this thing is super cool it's expensive yeah to be clear I wasn't complaining about the price since it than that group of the MacBook Pro yeah I wasn't complaining about the price of the MacBook Pro what I was complaining about was that has the word pro in the name if you just called it MacBook and you just made it like a MacBook for like people who like MacBook spend sure great charge as much as you want for it what I don't like is calling it pro when it doesn't even have a discrete GPU in it and it has eight gigs of ram and a dual core that is not pro that is consumer that is very consumer grade so anyway the surface studio twenty eight inch high-resolution display quad core Core i7 processor comes with a pen so you can draw which is freaking cool you can have up to a four gig gtx 980m GPU which I'm guessing is only because of the long development cycle for a product like this I would expect a refresh at some point with some kind of Pascal based GPU to get a 1060 in their GDP wise no problem up to 32 gigs of ram Thank You 980m I think they could fit a TDP wise 1070 convey no not quite I'm pretty sure we'd be looking at 1060 okay cuz that's what we got on blade 14 which had a 970 m but I think 1070 is too much more kind of thing like it's okay cuz what the understanding I had was that it was one down you might be right maybe I'm not sure though but then like you also said that the configurability of the tvp's and those things yeah same so like who knows yeah so um 4500 by 3000 resolution display it can handle srgb DCI p3 and vivid color profiles it's a 10-point multi-touch it's a three by two aspect ratio like again people who understand Pro know that the square display is actually pretty badass I would like to see them have an accompanying display so that I could have a dual dual display setup that you can use in the same way yeah yeah so I could have two three by two because if that's something you can't expand the displays with something else but you can't do the same format you can't get the same there's some special functionality that comes with it one thing that is missing that I would have liked to see and I know that it's like not the hugest thing on for PC as I would have liked to see Thunderbolt because it is becoming more of a thing on especially mobile PCs but I still feel pretty darn good about this and I love that at least if they're golfing at least if they're gonna charge a bunch of money for do something real nice they've got this really cool like full down fantastic beautiful display powerful thing that kind of excites me xbox wireless built in the fact that it doesn't include office it's kind of frustrating I think that that's an opportunity that Microsoft has to offer value on their hardware products that in my mind shouldn't cannibalize I shouldn't cannibalize standalone office sales really that much they did it with the surface RT for example where they're like this is an awful product what could we possibly do to move a few units you get office the one the one app that was ever made for like arm windows that matters yeah yeah um so yeah I'm really dialed forward to checking this out have we liked the dial thing here are we getting one we're getting one I haven't ordered one but we are getting one okay good yeah all right just making sure about had a like panic moment there for the dial thing oh sorry does it show the dial thing anywhere is it doubting how does it not show the dial thing yeh this thing is so cool yeah have you seen it in the video so like they put it on the screen straight up on the screen I don't know how it fixes itself there I'm assuming there's a type of like rubbery something on the bottom because I'm sure it's not magnets through the screen I don't know how it works Vegas don't affect LCDs the way that they did affect CRT is like it I don't know yeah but I just I just I doubt it yeah I don't think so anyways and it can be used for different things so in one situation they turn the dial and it rotates the image another situation it's a color wheel and you're able to turn and change the color wheel with one hand while you like stroke paint with the other hand so they had gradient paint going through as the person's changing it that's really cool very cool I don't do the art stuff but I like physical control of things so being able to turn that to select your color would actually be pretty awesome I don't do the art stuff lukla friend yeah 2060 yeah yeah it's probably pretty accurate have you seen me trying to do anything that's artistic yes it's pretty bad I know I can manage cables pretty well that's good yeah alright so speaking of things that we do well ending the show by rolling the intro okay we don't do that well but we've had a pretty good track record late yeah what should not work this time thanks for watching guys see you again next week Hey I'm gonna make this cable my BH is it stuck on something hold on hold on no no I think I unplugged it unless I didn't in which case I would not have oh okay okay so it appears as though the cable was indeed the problem so here we go Hulk edition Linus Sebastian come on good luck this is gonna be pretty intense cable do you think so yeah pretty intense cable to break yeah are you grabbing alright ready Hulk edition Linus here we go oh yeah I went and got these and everything just I hid these behind my back didn't even need see you next week guys