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when Intel released their eighth generation Core Series processors they said something that many in the tech community were skeptical of they said that their eighth generation processors could not work on older LGA 1151 motherboards even though the socket was the same and architectural II the 8th gen is not very different from the 7th and the 6th gen did Intel lie well we have no way of knowing for sure but what we do have is a weird Chinese motherboard from brand what is this onda something order whatever whatever this is that not only claims to work with 6th 7th and 8th gen CPUs but do it with ddr3 this is gonna be a good one and it's brought to you by who was it again oh god off stream deck the elgato stream deck the stream deck is the compact hyper configurable keypad that allows you to do all kinds of things I mean really it works for anything like streaming video editing this guy's kind of limit check it out and get yours at the link in the video description now hold on just a gosh-darn moment here so this is an h3 10 seed chipset basically the cheapest thing that you can solder to a motherboard to give it support for an Intel processor mm-hmm and is that technically 8th gen compatible so have they gone backwards compatible or have they taken an older one and made it 8 gen compatible here it's backwards compatible it's not supposed to be backwards compatible but in this case what they did is they took the h3 10 chipset which is 8th gen and they decided to just remove any of the limits so you can run KB like you can run Sky like you can run coffee like and with ddr3 and those of you who know what that means those CPUs all have integrated ddr4 memory controllers now to be clear Anthony's not saying that this motherboard has no limits we can tell by looking at it it most most assuredly has limits this is far from a high end part I mean do we have a full sized ATX or even just a normal M ATX board to compare this to okay here we go so for perspective this is a standard full sized ATX board this is an m-80 export so that's anywhere from 1 to 4 expansion slots and this is the onda we get one PCI Express 16x slot 1 1 X slot we get USB 3 I mean that's that's better than a kick in the teeth 3 SATA ports cause like I guess that was the only spare room they could find to put them an 8 pin power connector which surprises me on a board like this and then pretty limited i/o PS - Wow - ps2 ports VGA out HDMI for USB Gigabit Ethernet and regular old 5.1 audio packaging is pretty bare-bones - you get kind of a Quick Start Guide Chinese only an i/o shield and a SATA cable the funny thing is that IO shield if you look at it the Ethernet port is optional maybe they did that for grounding purposes so you this activation well you know what what do we do see what it can do yeah basically the reason they have this down here it's got an 8700 kne right now okay I'm a little bit weary of putting in 8700 K into that but yeah that's the fire ups in a bench see what it looks like and then we'll finally put the 8700 K into that and see what it's like with ddr3 if it even works we'll be answering the question once and for all that nobody ever had how well would an 8700 K perform if it was limited to ddr3 so we're using csgo as a benchmark because it's easily CPU bottlenecked which is going to tell us then with all the other hardware being the same if our CPU has its performance hindered in some way either by the motherboard or by our memory check this SH is out there's four jumpers here so you can select either SATA or PCIe wait those support PCI you know I don't think so I think these just allocate the lanes o or something for forty seven point two three and for our final trick here we're gonna run the v-ray benchmark then it's time to actually install Hardware on this thing it's kind of terrifying alright we're done so let's go ahead and let's do this thing so a lot of you probably don't realize this but there's a very good reason that Intel's eighth generation CPUs still have support for ddr3 and that's mobile a lot of laptops actually still ship with lpddr3 because the low-power ddr4 at least this is my understanding just did it ever get up to snuff I kind of feel like no like ddr4 itself is pretty low power so there's that if that's the case though then we need to make sure that we don't enable XMP on this why are these on so tight did you rinse them in I use the screwdriver I never actually did inspect that board for bent pins but it looks like it's fine from here yeah let's find me that looks hilarious yeah there's enough there's enough mounting holes it's all good sure here comes our CPU cooler oh man oh they don't have a right angle they don't feels like the mothership like descending on the unsuspecting populace Wow do they even have oh yeah we've got one fan header ah two fan header let's put it hey hey hey there we go right you ready sure now we're gonna have to jump that thing okay so so far it's not posting we expect this have you tried this no this is the first time this board has been booted is it possible it's outputting to the on board because it does you plugged into the wrong HDMI cable come on baby hey well we didn't even get it oh oh AMD Rison and master driver dot assists there's our problem oh yeah okay we can get into safe mode and kill that our 8700 K is there and V V configuration day wow it does have a meaning eight gigs ddr3 suckas and we could even set it to something else if we wanted but we're gonna leave it default for now okay so let's go ahead and save our configuration exit let's get that I'm about to drive in there oh yeah oh wait that would how difficult is it to extract from this just two screws oh yeah you know I like to do it all right a minor glitch Oh would help we plug the GPU in yeah now I'm not the only one yeah one thing I'll give this board is that it gets into the BIOS real quick no enemy device time okay but what we don't know is if changing those jumpers will fix it how much was this motherboard anyway it was like fifty five dollars so it wasn't even that cheap no well that sucks yeah that's that's $55 not getting back thanks Anthony I had not realized that yet and until this moment I mean it's past the return date we've been hanging out of this board yes Thank You Anthony mm-hmm okay so I've changed them all over to PCIe just to see what happens like does that actually take like four individual PCIe lanes and allocate them to SATA is that what we just did I don't get it we just booted to our SATA Drive when I just theoretically disabled every SATA port on the board it could be that you were just individually splicing the lanes over I thought doesn't make sense to me hey dang this thing's pretty cool if it wasn't 50 bucks well all right let's get it booted okay so this is it we are looking at a desktop mm-hmm 8th gen CPU ddr3 we need a driver for our network controller here boom well that didn't take much this is nuts it's nuts I tell ya yeah why don't you just fire up CPU Z or task manager we're turbo Eng so the CPU is behaving as it normally would 6 cores 12 threads oh we got our driver we are ready to run benchmarks that was quick yeah Cinebench now do you have an older chip for us to try in this thing yeah that's a 7700 K right there heck yeah all right cool which theoretically should not work in a 3-series chipset theoretically cool oh that's ouch mmm you know it's funny because back in the ddr3 days did some testing and determined that the memory speed of your ddr3 didn't make that much of a difference but like I guess CPUs have gotten faster I mean to be fair it's probably running at 1066 it's running 33 yes csgo time what's csgo ha ha how zero focus motor there how's your control of it well what if I was in here boom what if I was out here sorry I'm just not being very helpful right now actually oh you can cut wow that is something what are we gonna read forty five point one two I feel like we have to go in try to run the RAM at stalk speed at least give it sort of enter it and go and see what happens and then run these again cuz we can't I mean we can't accept that what do you want to run it at what do you think's fare 1600 or 1866 would have been 1866 then yeah will it post looks like it yeah Wow hey there we go okay alright what's in a bench yeah let's Cinebench it I want the local result you worthless piece of garbage and the stupid thing is it's not even like it's filtering out exe s or something it it's like there's all these files that have the word Cinebench in them see how it comes up Windows is good wow that did not improve much no 1258 was our last run 12:54 I'm not even gonna bother running the rest of the benchmarks clearly that didn't help so the only thing left to do now is to put the 7700 K in and see if that actually works the only thing left to do now is to find out if Intel lied means what you're trying to say alright CPU me out comes the 8700 k so this is the officially supported chip and in goes a 7700 K who can we trust Intel or the weird Chinese motherboard manufacturer we've never heard of all right let's reset it then ah here it goes huh so check this out 7700 K yeah it went back to 1333 you're right ddr3 memory and H 310 chipset so was it possible then for Intel to give backwards compatibility to their 300 series motherboards the empirical evidence would suggest that yes yes in fact they could have done that but as for whether they could have made the older ones forwards compatible well there's a lot of conflicting evidence there there are people who have gotten 100 and 200 series chipsets working with 8th gen chips like this one but we have no way of knowing what the longevity of the motherboard and or the CPU would have been so we don't know even if it could have worked whether it would have passed Intel's quality control standards in the meantime you said there was a special surprise for me in this video yes as it turns out they released a BIOS update and that BIOS update adds another number to the list of supported CPUs and that number is 9 we can go all the way to 8 cores on this thing mm-hmm do we really want to put our 9900 K in here either it'll work and it'll be all amazing or there'll be a fire so this is it moment of truth the latest bios is on so you mentioned different revisions of this motherboard yeah there's a 1.0 2.0 and 3.0 this is the 1.0 I probably spoke a little bit too soon on that one the 3.0 does support the 8th gen or 9th Jana well either way I'm impressed andhe made the first motherboard that I've seen in over 10 years that supports more than two generations of intel chips and even though I don't think it's an amazing deal especially because you're giving up so much of your performance on newer processors thanks to its ddr3 limitation it's a cool piece of tech and you should you should watch this video about it JK you already did haha speaking of watching the whole video this message 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