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looped in his original tests last week on AMD's dual graphics or the ability to basically run your integrated GPU and your discrete GPU that's like an add-in card in crossfire have you got an unlocked Intel processor do you want access to exclusive offers click now to join Intel Club enthusiasts and get started so we showed you the numbers that we got in a couple of games with AMD's latest Kaveri 7850 k apu alone that apu running with a discrete graphics card on r7 250 running by itself and we showed you what it's like when we pair them together in dual graphics mode well you guys asked for an expanded test so we've thrown two more discrete graphics cards into the mix and r7 260x and a g4 750 Ti and we've thrown in more CPUs so we've got a 46 70 K that's a core i5 from Intel that we've run with discrete and on board a 6800 K so that's AMD zone last generation APU and an Athlon 760 K which is a very inexpensive cpu from AMD with no onboard graphics at all but based on the same architecture as that last gen APU now before we dive into this I want it to be clear that Kaveri has other benefits that are not being tested in this video HSA or heterogeneous system architecture allows the GPU cores on Andy's latest apu to be utilized for general productivity tasks much more efficiently efficiently than previous architectures allowed it can share system memory rather than having data copied back and forth between the CPU and GPU Ram over the PCI Express bus which opens up a whole new world of cooperation between your CPU cores and your graphics cores this enables today better performance with some image filters improved thumbnail creation and Windows better performance in libreoffice and some other things but HSA is mostly about the future with some very exciting developments such as open CL 2.0 with a compliant driver expected in early 2015 and I'll add good stuff the bad news is that we'll have to wait for software development but the good news is that application developers and compiler writers should if AMD is to be believed find it easier to code for HSA systems which should help drive adoption with all of that aside if you're a value gamer and you're looking for a system today what do you buy well we saw your comments on the previous video and on the forum and science wins so I was let loose and I was able to test almost all of the things alright guys as these graphs are a lot more compact with data than our normal graphs I'll give you guys some tips on reading them fairly standard fare the CPU and GPU are listed on the left-hand side so you can see what row that correlates with to help you guys differentiate between the rows I've also color-coordinated each row with based on its CPU not its GPU so you can see how the different CPU combinations stack up that way also there's a dollar value right beside the name of the combination and that dollar value is an estimated guess based on numbers that I pulled from newegg.com so these are American prices if you're an international viewer I would highly suggest when you get to the dollar per performance graphs later on that's the second set of two that you base them based on numbers in your own region also these dollar values do not include the cost of the motherboard as that can vary quite a bit and was not a super important variable in these tests I'm sure you guys will come up with your own conclusions and let me know in the comments below and on the forum and all that kind of stuff but here's some conclusions of my own that I gathered from looking at my graphs after I made them there seems to be a sweet spot for both of these games in Far Cry 3 that sweet spot is about seven dollars while in Bioshock that sweet spot is about five dollars that makes sense because BioShock Infinite is easier to run than Far Cry 3 therefore your dollar per performance goes down which is a good thing but you're going to need to be able to run certain games so it all kind of makes sense although to be completely honest for most of these set ups the price that you're paying you're getting 1080p on high at no problem so it makes a ton of sense especially one last thing personally I would not buy a solo 46 70k for gaming by that I mean 46 MDK and no discrete graphics card it does not perform very well and personally I'd rather pay less than a 46 70 K and get a 7 60 K and an r7 260x or pay $10 more and get a 760 K and a 750ti and get even more performance on top of that that makes a lot more sense to me but again just let me know what you guys think in the comments down below and on the forum so a main takeaway I would grab from this is I going back a few generations and grabbing a processor from that time at a really low price and then buying a nicer more powerful graphics card and pairing those two together is an awesome combination that you need a lot of power for your price with that combination another thing is that 1080p gaming has been never this valuable at a price point like this you can run games at high at 1080p and get epic frame rates that's really cool to see because value gaming has always kind of been a shove under the bus but now you can go with a very nice resolution very nice settings at a very nice price point and have a really good experience and the word console killer was brought around a lot when the consoles were first coming out and we all knew it would be easier to surpass consoles later on down the line I didn't realize it would be this fast with certain setups that we have in this video even and with 750ti 750 and 260x now taking up bat it's really easy to actually just beat the absolute crap out of a console a lot of console games aren't running at 1080p and they're not running that fast and with a setup like this you can run it at really good frame rates at 1080p at high settings with AAA on and all that kind of stuff so it's a very interesting setup and I hope you guys are going to take advantage of this kind of stuff if you're building a console build in the future just so you guys know as well our star system team is in second place and I know most of the times I upload a video and call it what place were in it's inaccurate but I think this might be the first time it's actually accurate so be sure to join up we have a lot of fun and the dogfighting module should be coming around sometime around April 18th so Luke's testing reveals a bit of a problem with the way the term value gets thrown around to describe inexpensive products value is not the same thing as cheap I understand that for some people they're going to have 300 dollars to spend on a PC and even if they could have something 10 times better for another ten dollars that won't be feasible so they will need to settle for the reduced price to performance ratio of a cheap computer for those folks who do have the regular income that would allow them to save a couple more allowances or skim some money off a couple more paychecks the advice I've always given wait until you can afford something decent continues to ring true grabbing a Kaveri today and running with on board then upgrading later with a discreet graphics card does make a fair bit of sense if you're impatient and you don't want to wait to save up another sixty to seventy dollars for the cheap CPU and mid-range GPU upfront but make sure that when it comes time to upgrade to a mid-range GPU you are picking one based on its individual merits not just based on dual graphics compatibility the r7 260x or the 750 Ti cannot take advantage of the onboard graphics for you know enhanced gaming the way the r7 250 can but because they're so much better it doesn't matter this may change in the future when the onboard can be used for AI or something as a coprocessor but we're still a fair way away from that and if you're buying a graphics card today for games you can play now and you want the most for your money then you're going to want to get a proper discrete graphics card just like 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