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and welcome to the web show ladies and gentlemen this is a bit of a tail in between my legs show and I'll be talking about that in a little bit more detail later but we made a video that you guys didn't like very much and I feel like I need to address that YouTube also rolled out some new stuff new copyright claim system and new monetization efforts which is cool and there's some other kind of general you know Intel's doing some rumery stuff and entender switch light was announced and other fun things we've actually got a lot of great topics for you guys today jonno did the land show document and well he also did it last week which is part of the reason that we didn't really didn't have anything to talk about last week that's okay because I gave him some coaching this week and you checked in with me about the topics ahead of time and I think there's actually some some discussion meat in here there's a bit of a non controversy which to me in and of itself is kind of controversial so AMD said that PCI Express Gen 4 would not work on previous generation motherboards and then asus went out and published a list of previous gen boards that it'll work on and it's it's a funny thing because I think that AMD fanboys aren't really gonna like my take on this but my my feeling is that if the same thing had happened with Intel people would be shrieking about it and now that it's happening with AMD it's like oh that's pretty cool so let's get let's get to them first let's go ahead and roll the intro and we'll chat about these topics in a little bit here all right ah okay is it just one kind of looks like it was just wine and back to us okay so um why don't we jump right into the video that we uploaded today so this is something that I've actually addressed on the land show in the past I'm just gonna fire it up on my laptop here hopefully my my screen sharing is working here there we go value noise cancelling headphones so there were a couple of things that went wrong today I'm watching it you can do yeah thank you appreciate that so a couple of things that went wrong today first of all oh yeah the video went up with entirely the wrong title okay yes we see that there's a little bit of lag on the YouTube stream we are now sort of way beyond I'm not having an explanation for it because the entire windchill PC has been swapped out there's a CPU GPU yeah and it's even we used to be on x264 encoding and now we're on n bank actually be any different than it is now we are back on the old Ethernet cable yeah also the like retransmitting server that's at the splitter there was like some a little bit of funky there but that's all been updated and fixed and working and was tested for the last half hour on a separate account yeah so it's starting to get to the point where Robert by the way know you're super chat is not pre-recorded so it's starting to get to the point where it's just like not really funny anymore yeah we're just gonna have to power through the show here though guys realistically twitch is probably better so you can head over to twitch and watch there we still have no explanation for why that would be yep anyway so I'm gonna go ahead and pull up the video that we did today so this video was called and this was mistake number one it was called why is everybody buying these headphones which was actually just one of those complete bonehead errors and I'm not going to throw anyone under the bus but I think we can all guess who it is that usually makes those particularly egregious errors the channel and never actually does get fired because I love him so much anyway someone grabbed the wrong title I have no idea where it came from I actually did see that that title was on the pre-release video file but I didn't really think anything of it I thought maybe just one of the editors was confused about it and named the file that and that like the file name is not generally interesting to do with the actual name of the video once we go live but somehow it ended up with the name of a series that we run on the channel why is everybody buying this ex that has never been sponsored before whether it's sponsored by the retailer that we got it from or sponsored by the the products that we featured it has never been sponsored before by either of those two parties like third-party sponsors sure you know your savage turkey or whatever the case may be so that created initially a ton of confusion and a ton of upset because all of a sudden we had a sponsored showcase video to see whatever corner it is right there sponsored by Tao Tronics that seems to be disguised as editorial content something that we actually work really hard to not have happen which is why thankfully at least at the beginning I actually I'm not sure I believe the word showcase was already in there but it is supposed to be so if there's a video that is just like here's information about a product but it's sponsored by that company or by that product or by somewhere to get it it is supposed to be clearly displayed in the title of the video so that you know and in the video as it is down in whatever corner I'm supposed to oh it's not even there that way my corner sponsored by tow truck okay so that was problem number one that people had with the video as soon as Nick was actually the one who spotted it as soon as Nick saw that the title wasn't right he had it changed this is what it was supposed to be value noise-canceling headphones sound surge 46 showcase okay oops you know so that one's pretty straightforward whoops are bad the other one is a little bit more difficult to address and I feel like I'm almost gonna to do a complete video talking about this at some point in the future because there seems to be a lot of confusion in people's minds about the way that we handle our sponsored content so we made the decision it must have been about a year ago now to start doing what we called showcases which are essentially what most of the rest of the industry that is YouTube personalities is doing where essentially there's some product or some service and there's a sponsorship involved and you're basically given a bullet point list of things to say about it so our way of reconciling that because obviously that's not editorial content that's not you know my opinion the way that we reconciled that was okay here's the deal audience we're gonna do these but we're gonna do them as extra releases so the you know just this video went up on a Friday so instead of the Linus tech tips channel getting six normal videos plus wine show for a total of seven that's one every day it was actually six normal videos Plus this 1 plus wine show so there were a total of eight videos so we didn't want these sponsored showcases this sponsored content to interfere with our regular upload schedule we didn't want you guys to feel like you were getting cheated and you were missing out on an editorial or a project-based piece of content because we had decided to do one of these showcases so that was number one well you didn't want it to affect the volume of content that you guys get that is our usual type number two was we wanted to separate our opinion which cannot be purchased from airtime on our channel which can be purchased so when I talk about buying air time you are in much the same way that you would sponsor a podcast or a radio show you are paying for the host to read your talking points be at about savage turkey Ridge wallet the elgato stream deck or you know any number of other other brands and products that have sponsored our show yeah LT acts so the distinction then is you can pay for words to be said but you cannot pay for an opinion so that's where I feel like people are really allowing the waters to get muddied in their minds between reviews and sponsored videos so a lot of the complaints about this video aside from the ones about the title being wrong and it really was that was absolutely our mistake and we're sorry that's our bad a lot of the complaints are that we didn't give an opinion this is this is a you know I could hear I'm just gonna I'm gonna scroll down and find something here because I'm sure it won't be that hard okay here's one that I pinned because I did respond to him so what other than the requested sponsored talking points can you give us anything of your own or are you just reading off their marketing material the answer is I am reading off their marketing material and when it comes to any of their sponsored piece of content so are they that's how it works anytime I were to give you guys an opinion in a sponsored piece of content I'm not talking about like picking it up like so here's a ridge wallet you know it's made of carbon fiber feels pretty solid I'm demonstrating that it's solid yes I'm saying it feels pretty solid to me or whatever but that is that that is a demonstrably objective fact it's it's really well built that's not really an opinion even though it's being presented in the form of an opinion and so anytime we are giving and if we were to give opinions in our sponsored content then we create a really awkward and a really dangerous crossover between a review and that is a word that we use very carefully a review cannot be sponsored by the subject of the review because there is an inherent obvious conflict of interest that prevents any information in that review from being taken it's face value so we keep a review separate from a sponsored showcase because yes that is exactly what a sponsored video is now some sponsors in fact taotronics was one of them do allow us to give you guys useful information we did mention some of the more negative points of those headphones in the video and in fact we've run into this a lot of the time especially brands that where they're their big kid pants and are willing to take criticism will even allow it in a sponsored video but what you guys need to understand is that every brand taotronics Cisco Intel AMD Nvidia anyone that we've ever worked with over the years has a say in a sponsored piece of content so anything that is in that finished video and this goes not just for us but any channel that you watch at least the ones were at least they disclose it any channel you watch that does a sponsored video the brands that sponsored it had to say and if there was something they didn't like it was probably removed depending on the contract I would say with 98% certainty that would have been removed I mean there are going to be creators out there that have more power that have more weight to throw around say no this is my artistic vision it stays and we've been able to throw that weight around a fair number of times but sometimes it doesn't work or the contract isn't favorable or whatever the case may be so clear about it not working just because I feel like this could get misconstrued in some way if it doesn't work the video just doesn't come out it's not like he'll say something that he strongly doesn't believe in and release the video anyways just he's like well they strong-armed to me the video just won't come out and the contract will not be made and that has happened yeah like has 100% happened yes so then so you know addressing a few more of the most up voted comments here because I feel like this is a really important topic not just on our channel but in general it's something that's really important for you guys to understand so why is everyone okay knowing yesterday that was about the title it's super this is an ad with no actual content WTF yes that's why it says sponsored by tell Onix and that's why it says okay in the title because at the end of the day that's basically what it is and the WTF is this was an extra piece of content we labeled it with showcase after the fact and I'm really sorry about that we labeled it with showcase if you don't want to see it don't watch it that really is our stance on them something I want to throw in personally as a technically outside person on this is I hadn't watched this at all sat here and watched part of it before the show there are parts of the video where you criticize it I know you mentioned this earlier people are saying there's literally no points that aren't in the sponsor spot there's like no way that's true because they're not gonna put in the sponsor spot hey this button is I don't member exactly how you word it but not great and takes a little bit getting used to that's not gonna be in the sponsor spot so that yeah I hear you guys but so this is this is another really great example right here of exactly the mentality that we need to we need to kill I don't mind sponsored videos but this was just a 4-minute ad there was no review or anything if it's sponsored there is no review period that's not how these contracts work and you don't want them to work that way no you don't you want reviews to be really really clearly separated from anything that is sponsored in a way that could create a conflict of interest absolutely that's like very important so yeah I mean most of the complaints probably the most blatant clickbait title I've seen nobody not a single soul - everybody is buying it and that's that's fair coz the original title is crazy I I will throw another defendant that yeah - Media Group has published like what thousands of videos at this point there's gonna be up season titles every once in a while it's so bad this one is particularly so particularly bad it wasn't just it didn't sort of it didn't just violate our own standards for what constitutes clickbait yeah it violates our our editorial oh it's bad all I'm saying is people will make mistakes so we're clear that it's bad oh it's bad it's really dumb but like I wouldn't and pointing it out you know what solid because it needs to be pointed out so that it gets change etc etc etc but like I don't know I'd measure your pitch for goodness because it was changed quickly Oh surprise Lucas defending LMG well no crap I think it's also very reasonable there was a mistake they understood it was a mistake to change the title these showcase content has been happening forever there are legitimate criticisms within a showcase video which in my opinion is marginally above and beyond I mean there were a couple of things that we felt were really important to mention yeah like the fact that you know what they sound pretty darn good I'm not being sponsored right now say whatever the hell I want they sound pretty darn good but not at full volume someone mentioned that in the comments in that I hadn't seen that part of the video but yeah someone mentioned that in twitch chat that you guys said that as well like that's there there was extra stuff added onto so we we mentioned the main drawbacks of them like to be clear they're fine we wouldn't have taken the deal if we thought they were a bad deal also there's a bunch of content especially earlier on when if you watched Lance's videos from quite a long time ago when we used to do more headphone coverage obviously unboxings he's mirroring the same comment these are opinions he's had for a long time not that opinions shouldn't be able to change over time but like a lot of the things that you said we're not surprising to me as I remember holding a dinky camera and listening to you say the same stuff now I have had people upset particularly about the fact that I didn't Rahman it for having a micro B USB port so I can explain why that would be the cost to implement USB type-c is significantly higher not just in terms of the actual solder connections because there are more of them and they're finer but in terms of the Rd because it is a more complex standard by complex standard I mean it is like many different standards many of which don't necessarily work properly with each other building a device that charges over a USB type-c is not trivial and there's a reason that even large companies like Logitech are still shipping gaming mice with USB micro-b connectors now with someone like Logitech I have less sympathy because Luke has personally visited their R&D facility I think they can figure out how to put a USB type-c connector on yeah they're kind of amazing actually with taotronics given the price point and given the fact that what is a device like this would not have as clear a benefit from type-c as some others would like a mouse in particular now Logitech mitigates this somewhat by putting reinforcements around their type-c connectors at the end of their mice so it doesn't put as much strain on it but with a device like a mouse where you're actually moving it around while it's charging sometimes there's a clear and obvious reason to use a more durable connector like a type see this is a pair of headphones that you'll probably charge once every few days for a span of a couple years until you lose them or whatever so micro-b yeah it's not as good but it doesn't need fast charging over type-c like it doesn't need you know 30 watt charging or anything crazy like that it would be more convenient to not have to carry an extra cable but they are a value option as opposed to a you know 199 or $2.99 pair of active noise-cancelling headphones so I was willing to be I was willing to not ream on it and there's no way again remember this is a sponsored piece of content there's no way I was going to be able to ream on it hard because this is a sponsored piece of content so why wasn't it in there because given the context I was willing to not ream on it and I wouldn't have been able to ream on it anyway all right well I think that's pretty much all I have to say about that yeah oh speaking of all I have to say about that I ate at Bubblegum's for the first time ever yesterday public gums yes oh Donen okay yeah yes I actually I and while I was sitting there I just I was down in LA for a meeting that was to do with VidCon but I wasn't at VidCon because I left before VidCon started that sounds like the best way to do VidCon yeah hands down it was kind of amazing I had like the best meeting ever I'm so bad with names and I'm really embarrassed and so this sucks but CGP grey was there Tom Scott was there youtubes head of search and discoverability was there which was really important and there were definitely some key insights that this is not the kind of meeting that I can go and like make a youtube video about and tell you guys all about but it was it was really good to just be able to have that kind of open discussion around the dinner table there was a I think her first name's Rebecca she's absolutely huge she does kids content I forget their last names a mole oh it's a Malo something like that there was a guy who has a really cool channel that's like tips for creators there was the guy who did the the arcade arcade tricks are like arcade cheats or something like that arcade hacks cheats or something what's his what's his name shoot Rebecca is em all oh yeah yeah that's her so she's it's not the kind of content that I think you folks would necessarily enjoy but she's super popular yeah dang it I can't I can't find I can't find him right now nobody is nobody is helping me in the chat mark Robert Mutt mark Robert mark Robert he was okay arcade scam sciences yeah so he was there so it was like honestly I felt kind of Buist but I think I got an invite just because I cornered one of their execs at at the top creator summit and was like asking a bunch of questions and he was just like we're thinking to have it like a dinner I'll come to that and talk to these people directly so it's really cool I'm finally getting to the point where we have a real relationship with YouTube actually one one of the people who was there got to launch a popular product for the first time in pretty much forever and that leads really perfectly into one of our topics for today oh so the head of Content ID was actually at dinner oh yeah this is cool yeah okay yeah so the original article here is from the YouTube creators blog and he was really excited about this so content ID now requires claimants to provide more information and provides better they're going to displace hey that's the benefit of durable aluminum wall hangings you can trip and throw them all over the floor and they'll still be okay alright are they bad okay cool no no that's fine yeah it wasn't it wasn't that bad anyway so better so better tools to resolve manual Content ID claims so this actually would have solved that drama problem that we had a while back yeah where our Content ID system through our MCN was claiming anyone's video that had I think it was either Unigine Valley or Unigine Heaven benchmark in it because we had lots of videos with that first apparently and then other people uploaded footage and it went that's Linus Media Group's content and then they had their videos Content ID claims which to be clear is not the same thing as a copyright - yeah and is actually no big deal once you get it resolved there's no long-term lasting damage you don't even lose your adsense anyway now it's way easier to resolve these things so in the past the copyright claim system had been abused and used to extort creators in some cases so manual claiming is a tool within Content ID that allows you to do things like go hey YouTube's automated system didn't find this six notes of our song and you know automatically flag it so we're gonna go in we're gonna manually say hey that's from our song we actually had this happen a while back with a monitor video we had like a meme and it was basically like data and like it was really that short and the owner of that song came in they've created their own tools for combing through videos they came in they claimed our entire video based on this like six to eight notes of music or whatever it was the way that a copyright claim works is that once someone else claims your video the video stays up you lovely folks still get to enjoy it but all of the money that gets made through Adsense on that video goes to that copyright holder even if they had nothing to do with 99.5% of the video content that it was just that all of the money goes to them which is obviously not a perfect system but I also understand why it would be that way because you know you can't just you can't just grab like you know an iconic song like ac/dc highway to hell or something and use you know five to ten seconds of it in every one of your videos and expect that that's okay because you didn't create that that's not yours it doesn't work that way yeah and you also can't just tell ac/dc well hey these guys put three hours of black frames at the end of their video which makes you effectively Oh point zero two percent of the content so here 0.02 percent of the absense that's not fair either because clearly you the creator felt you were significantly enhancing your piece of content by stealing someone else's work or you wouldn't have included it I mean in that case you definitely did sorry you definitely did but if you put three hours of black frames oh yeah yeah you're definitely you're significantly enhancing your content yeah so so anyway to combat and so this is this is a move in the creator's direction after a lot of previous moves that appeared to be designed to help copyright holders enforce their copyright to a degree that I as a youtuber felt was unfair we ended up having to edit that video and re-upload it without that meme in it because giving someone else all the adsense from a video that we spend a lot of time and money creating for their couple seconds of music doesn't make any sense to us so now here's what's here's what's going on so Content ID can work automatically by scanning a blah blah blah okay so umm-hmm okay jaw nose notes on this are not amazing but basically starting today and I think that's two days ago three days ago they are requiring copyright owners to provide timestamps to indicate exactly where their content appears in the videos that they manually claimed which is nice this was a big product story like in that video I watched through the entire video without actually realizing what the problem was all I could see was that it had been claimed by some music conglomerate and I was like what are you talking about so I iMessage to our editor I went yo WTF what happened here aren't we using all I think we were on Warner Chappell at a time like aren't we using all licensed music that we we have rights for and they go yeah and then someone finally clued in I think it was actually a comment on the video that alerted us to this that that that meme was from a song like that little portion of it and so so it wasted a bunch of our time when the claimant could have just said hey this is the problem now they don't want to do that because that's not actually the outcome thereafter think about it from their perspective would they rather have you quickly edit their crap out of your video or would they rather take your money in the they get 100% of it kind of scheme they definitely just want the money beam is definitely the right word here yeah so they have to provide timestamps now for exactly which part of your video is manually being claimed and YouTube is providing their editing tools to remove the content claimed manual in your video which will now automatically release the claims this isn't gonna solve all problems no but it should be way more helpful than what they have now yep so right now you've got a few different options you can mute all sound when the claim song plays you can replace the song if you don't want to mute the audio entirely so you can instead swap out the music with one of they're free to use songs from the YouTube audio library although it might not necessarily be a perfect solution we actually had some lame a YouTube audio library song once because the performance was licensed by YouTube but the actual original sheet music was still copyrighted in Germany of all places anyway or you can trim out the content so you can just cut it out and then an edited version will show up on YouTube after the fact and they are still working on improvements like having an explicit trim option in the video copyright info page that will allow you to trim it out with just one click and remember of course that the same tools from before where you could dispute these claims do still exist if you think the claim is incorrect or covered under fair use or just completely irrelevant like those Unigine Valley and Unigine Heaven claims you can just say hey this is invalid here's the reason I think so and we've actually found that most of the time like when show we've been flagged on when show a lot of times back when we used to show game trailers yeah we've been flagged by the game trailer owners and I'm kind of sitting here going you effing serious mate so dumb you're gonna take our money for promoting yours are we advertised yeah sorry for the free promotion dumbass so we've actually disputed those in the past saying I'm sure this was an accident no one in their right mind at Nintendo would be mad that I showed their trailer Nintendo definitely gets salty about that I actually do think that Nintendo was one that did not release it and I'm sure they were I'm looking at it going like you guys are just idiots because we are just never ever ever going to talk about one of your new games again they're giving a job lightly better at this over time you're getting slightly better but like wow yeah yeah it's like how stupid do you have to be to get mad at someone for promoting a trailer for your car this is an awesome looking game check it out flagged we might not have said it looked awesome we probably did it's a Nintendo game we probably did well they're basically all awesome yeah on the subject of Nintendo one more topic before we do our sponsors light yea or nay yea yea absolutely you know what you know what I'm gonna do it I'm gonna tempt the gods we'll see if his shoe takes the whole video yeah we'll see what do you think do you discreetly um I don't I I wasn't listening I was busy I said yay you said yay yeah why it's considerably cheaper it's a hundred and it's effectively a 3ds replacement okay which like they weren't gonna keep going with 3ds and we've known that for a long time okay so I'm gonna say it's complicated okay I see we're going here okay so go ahead yeah these prices are all over the place for one so I'm not a hundred cents sure what's going on there the one that I saw that's price competitive with the switch light and I would be concerned about use switches are a little bit sketchy that's true green they could be blacklisted you have an exposed screen yeah it's fairly likely for the screens to be scratched especially if people were not very careful careful with docking them yeah and that's gonna be something that might be a little bit visually hard to tell in an eBay ad it has a not very easily user replaceable battery yeah so I would be a little bit concerned about that and I don't think the fact that you can eBay something that is used for a comparable price that a new thing is like null and void no but maybe an enthusiast can take it factored in a purchasing decision for me I'm not gonna purchase a switch light okay I think it's cool that it's on the mark here's my other main problem yeah that's bestbuy.com so that's u.s. pricing sure so to me effectively what Nintendo has done here is they've knocked $100 off the price and you're getting the same gaming hardware so you're gonna have the same gaming experience that you had at least on mobile anyway the battery life is a little longer is it as far as I know it's an updated chipset I think it's a new tiger chip I believe so the battery life is a little bit longer the controllers are fixed so they're stuck on the side and I believe the screens a little smaller I don't know about the screen I'm not sure but okay so here's my problem is they dropped $100 off the price yes that's nice but you are giving up a lot we have TV docking and removal controllers some of it you have the ability to get back like for example there are games that you cannot play on the switch light like mario party for example mario party requires joy cons so if you can connect the joy constitutes which late of course you can for $70 oh yeah okay but you said you cannot play so now you've spent two hundred and seventy dollars it is another $30 thirty bucks to get the one that just has all the functionality that's where i run into trouble this is a this is a console that is a switch no but it doesn't offer all the same experiences it's more like a gameboy it's not really a console yes it doesn't talk I know you can't play it on TV I know I know it's not really designed I here yet it's not really designed for Mario Party for thirty bucks look I've I've played more Mario Party on the switch portably than I have on my TV oh that's kind of weak on the plane why do you play Mario for Alan you played Mario yourself no well someone with someone okay okay okay yeah I played a party a fairly small use case okay that's an issue I don't disagree with you but but there I mean there's other getting the Nintendo acknowledged in their announcement that you can't play one place all of them yeah yeah like there are games it won't play you've got to check the back of the game you got to see if it supports a handheld mode and if it doesn't you are the quantum fast majority of games are gonna support it yes special party Mario Party is a good one to call out because that's a fairly made I don't know how many party game it's a lot of fun yes I don't know how many people are into one to switch yeah kind of a trash game no Mario Party is pretty major yes I will give you that if I have to run out and spend $70 on top of the facts so here's another problem that I have first party Nintendo games are freaking expensive so when we're talking about the price difference between a switch and a switch light we're talking one and a half games yep but at the same time like if you're a kid that one and a half games might be too much yeah that's a man you should probably go buy a you should probably go try to very much snipe good deal on a used switch somewhere else I do agree with that not everyone's gonna do that a lot of Mom's fine use I'm not gonna buy you a use which a lot of mom's not comfortable buying you stuff for their kid who you know even if they're like a like I'm you know I get this story all the time like hey Linus my mom won't let me buy a used GPU on eBay because she says it's it's it's sketchy I know it's a good deal it's like it it's it's one of those brands that still have that has a user transferable warranty it's literally still under warranty help me convince and I'm like look dude there's nothing I can do to help convince you I couldn't convince my parents you're not gonna be able to convince yours I bet yeah my mom was pretty cool with that we my brother and I raised money and she drove us to buy ass nests from some dude in a parking lot when I was like 11 or something but like but not everyone's down with that yeah I don't think it's a smoking deal I don't think it's amazing I think it has a place though right a lot of people aren't gonna buy you some people might want to just play fire emblem and smash and literally nothing else but if you're good okay people will buy a device for that conscious mobile you don't want to dock it people will buy a condo well Russia's invalid Brandon please come on okay okay so Brandon you're a bit of a smash enthusiast yes I like smash okay so we're talking switch versus switch lay right now okay so do you know okay so at $100 Delta okay is the switch light a deal I didn't say it's a smoking deal I said ahead of place I think it had yeah I think I agree with Luke I think it has okay so if you were someone who's only gonna play fire emblem and smash yes is it not worth the extra hundred dollars to be able to dock this isn't fair because Brandon has a suite I literally bought a switch like last week when for this which light came out now thinking back to that decision that I made last week I'd still make this I was gonna say I think you'd buy first but again he has a nice TV yeah and a really awesome couch a lot of people don't have long you don't need to have a TV jeez your monitor you can absolutely sure there's so many monitors but a lot of people are just gonna want to like chill in bed play only thing I see they do they not have for a lot of kids don't have a valid question it's fair but like I smashed by themselves sometimes that hundred-dollar Delta will be too much that's you overcome but then I stand by my argument that you should go buy a used foot some people kit because you're gonna you're okay you might not need joy cons eventually but okay here's another thing to like if you want to talk resale value the switch so we're gonna hold its value it's gonna hold some of that value when it's time to flip it and get a switch to be fair basically all Nintendo products hold value very well and and the accessories the weird so accessories for original wheeze I know I was picking no some of them not bad like the tennis racquet things okay no no not that's that's what I'm talking like wiimotes yeah we motionplus wiimotes still hold values yeah the Wii U I was picking up a Wii U a little while ago because one of our wheeze like was having some kind of issue and I was like I you know what forget it let's just get a Wii U anyway and then I can do that data transfer thing and then I don't have to worry about the Wii dying and taking all my you know classic arcade whatever this virtual console games with it and all that kind of stuff so we got and I was like shocked at how much a Wii U still cost because because because of the way that Nintendo manages their IP and they have these unique games gaming experience with your tablet controller still feels amazing yep so they've got these unique experiences that are available their consoles hold their value I would make the argument that a switch light is going to go like that compared to a switch which will still hold some down comparatively I still think we'll hold this value better than a lot of things yeah but yeah I do agree with that in general I think I do think like I think you're maybe under estimating the hundred-dollar Delta yeah I think for a lot of kids that's a really big it's big my problem is potentially a year but it's gonna bite you later it's been only when you need joy cons it's gonna bite you're also going to eventually go on sale get combo'd with a game okay like that okay now that's a different conversation if it comes with Fire Emblem and it's like 229 now we're talking a two-game difference in price but right now it is a one and a half game right now but it's the I think that's still significant enough to make people accept these sacrifices sure yeah they are they are sacrifices in a lot of cases the increased battery life is really nice and that might be enough for some people because charging the switch is actually a huge pain the switch being fully mobile is actually very annoying it is yeah how's it a pain charging the switches its battery life he's not very good yeah it's very life is tariffs yeah but I mean okay so maybe yeah maybe I'm a unique case but now you're throwing in a surprisingly expensive battery banks hold on a second I fine okay so let me think for you know what though one thing I use my laptop charger so I carry one USB type-c yeah I carry my razor blade stealth laptop charger which does my phone my switch and my laptop and they all last for long enough that I don't even know there's three of this kid that was barely able to save up for well has a razor blade with a USB C charging I'm just tired I haven't found charging the device to be a problem yeah it's a little awkward a lot of people who buy a switch light are not gonna go along and also buy a lot of the stuff that you need to make like that could make the switch to TV version better that's true button so like switch light is a good solution because they they're not gonna spend like because I think I I spent like another hundred dollars on little things SD cards and like like pro controller yeah that's the thing when you buy switch for your TV you're buying a lot of other stuff on top of that yeah a lot of the time over time and like I switch like you just kind of just play right away somewhat bridge the gap alright thanks Brendon by buying some of those things like additional controllers and stuff and I think you have to assume if you're going for a switch light you're probably buying nothing in addition other than games all right well that's fair enough so you're in you're the plan is to invest a lot less than the ecosystem and if I was a parent maybe I'd get my kids to switch light so that they don't have to ask me for a pro controller honestly that might sell a bunch of these if the people are educated enough in the ecosystem to go like okay yeah it can't connect to the TV it can't do all these other things or if I don't want my kids on my TV or that so okay all right I think it has a place I don't think it's a stunning value I don't think people should run out and buy it right now because it's amazing I think you're interested I would probably wait until like it's bundled with a game with a game yeah with a game okay without a game I think it's a I think it's a tough sell for me I don't think it's a great deal I don't lightly it's interesting I don't like saving a dollar so that I can spend too later okay but a hundred US dollars when you were 13 yeah it's a lot of money but what I know you probably would have been I was not on the same thing I bought low sold high I was flipping stuff on Craigslist like I was hustling yeah so I had a joke like I don't feel bad yeah for people that can't raise $100 because they're like right young Ted because again I had a job but I can understand why they might want to buy now to be clear I just said just now could sound very out of touch to be clear I don't feel bad for like suburban lower to upper middle-class kids yeah that can't scrape together $100 if you came from where we came from yes then you should be able to yeah but if you're someone who is in a situation where like you can't you don't even have time to go to school because you are like working to support your family at 12 or whatever that's a completely different since I wasn't supporting my family with my job oh yeah buying EverQuest subscriptions and so I just want to make sure that that's really clear yes thank you just just for those of you who are tuning in late we have no idea why the stream is lagging on YouTube it's fine on twitch it is literally the same stream so actually still lags a little bit on Twitch but it is considerably okay so yeah we'll have to figure that out later yeah we think it's haunted just wanted to run through small sirs for you guys holy crap we are 45 minutes into the show and we haven't talked about Anthony did you want to jump in with something you see worse to kind of standing there patiently right so okay yeah Luke said that oh it is smaller yeah okay yeah it's small it's less like much smaller like my joy Kahn's don't stick really well anymore okay so it's quite a bit smaller but it's okay so it's still like sort of pocketable yeah you need a pretty epic pocket no I don't think so ah maybe it takes my entire hand yeah you probably up to like monsters for today see sonic see Sonic's yes we're doing it Nick see sonic has lots of fantastic power supply products featuring features like wow these are really confusing things okay so I have up to 80 plus titanium efficiency the highest lower is this a specific SKU we're talking about yes it is but it's not in here dang it you guys where's this is it here okay I don't think so I blame John oh and Colton so 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shove it back in you're done it's actually faster in my opinion then than many normal they come in different materials like aluminum carbon fiber and titanium and they're a great gift for Father's Day which is a month ago so you can use a fur coat ltte at a Ridge wallet don't calm slash ltte and you can save 10% on your very own Ridge wallet cash clip oh that's a cash clip well whatever I would I've used it as a belt clip and it works in other news savage jerky is also sponsoring the show today and actually still have a little bit of sriracha bacon left over where are you going oh we've got the hot sauce showing their other fantastic product their jerky is made with high-quality ingredients without nitrate or preservatives with the goal of creating a snack that is full of flavor and spice isn't bad for you I was actually doing some research on nitrates they're really bad yeah I haven't really thought about it much before but so nitrates make it much faster to aged meat and get that 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drama I want to throw anything for this really quick at some point okay so Google employees secretly listening and we don't really have to go into this too deeply in my opinion there's Google employees that are listening in to Google home data and listening to conversations including conversations that were definitely not intentionally triggered I'm sure this is happening with all of them I was talking a wendel at Computex we talked about a ton of stuff Wendell's an amazing person was very fun hanging out with him but one of the things we started talking about is there's someone has designed or a group of people I don't remember sorry I didn't remember the story until I saw this this exact topic but they designed this 3d printed housing that you can put on I believe it was for an Alexa but you could probably put it on a you could probably modify it to go on a Google home as well that like covers it and then has a little I believe if I murkily it has a little speaker in it that constantly blares noise at it and it's called a brain it's playfully called a brain slug because that plays on to something from a show that I don't remember and people can get really mad at me but I think it's Rick and Morty so basically it's constantly blasting like white noise that Futurama future might be oh I think it sweet Ram yeah it's constantly blasting white noise and the brain slug is now listening for you but it's all local stuff it doesn't call out to external servers so if you say the key word the brain slug wants to hear the brain slug will stop blasting noise and then you can talk to your automation device Wow and that's actually awesome that is next-level I think that is so cool and I've wanted to make one for a while even though I don't run these devices I just want to make one so I think they're cool and I probably screwed some things up and I'm sorry Wendel and whoever made that project but super cool so this is pretty funny Google's defense of this behavior was that only 0.2 percent of all audio clips are being used that's a lot that's a huge amount that's one in every 500 that means I garand like not technically guaranteed but it is extremely likely that I have something in here of me going set a reminder for but you know my herpes appointment or whatever but that's the thing highly recognizable voice so yeah say that he did set an embarrassing reminder something like that even if he was intending to talk to his assistant yeah it's a personal assistant yeah not a hey I'd love for someone in in a data center somewhere to really like listen to this and go wow that lukla from here the conversation with Wendel came up because I was talking about how I don't like these services because I would love to have something local and how a long time ago I had spun up this project to try to mesh together a whole bunch of microphones in my house and have them dictate to a file that I was going to be constantly reading to see for my own keywords and triggering events on my own or all this kind of stuff but it was quite a long time ago and he actually said there's a bunch of projects that I would be able to use to accomplish it a lot easier now which is very cool again talking to Wendell is always fantastic but that's how we got onto this thing because these are so they're so creepy Nick you've been standing here very patiently you want to talk to the LaLanne show no I haven't yet that's the top-selling t-shirt above hard drive I actually like hard drive better okay yeah so there you go processor t-shirt it's for sale it's really nice I really like it though there's also this one you can also get the elemental shirts which I don't sell very well this shirt exists yeah check it out alternatively we're gonna have those to 4:30 at LTX hard drive is hard drives pretty awesome I really like this one what else is there to say we're out of stock it's most of the sizes of stealth hoodie are we out of all of them there's only one there's one still there's one stealth hoodie in stock well it says sold out online so they'll be back next week and hopefully by next week we will also be launching our underwear oh yeah yes I've already totally I think I think you'll take anything free oh yeah yes so can I pitch you something crazy okay to promote the launch of the underwear yeah we do the show naked but where where are we like standing you can't see them anyways that's fine are we gonna banned from twitch I don't know well you how does that work your table for so we could pay we could pay phone we could live that's a whole sectional you could wear bras oh my god we could wear bras we could wear bra okay but hold on a second I I need to know how this works is actually important because you're a twitch partner so if you show your nipples on someone else's channel Oh does that affect your channel yeah yeah okay so if like doctor disrespect showed up on - tech yeah em was like streaming in the bathroom or whatever that's on him not me temporarily banned for it all right yeah all right just yes just clearing the air here just clearing the air so bras alright so bras might be the answer I think actually oh you're not here next week okay next week then we'll find a time um yeah all right Seuss publishes expertise and be 450 Jen for compatibility chart so let's see what this was posted by CB forum member on the Linus tech tips forum and basically AMD's official position about PCI Express gen for compatibility has been that only X 570 and their rise and third gen processors together give you the capability to run PCI Express Gen 4 which is double the speed of PCI Express gen3 at the same link with however a soos actually just published a chart of their motherboards so we've got this here on hexxus net showing that some of their last generation x 470 and even their more value oriented be 450 boards have PCIe gen 4 supporter or capability so ironically none of their rog boards have Gen 4 16x support so you know that's pretty funny but some of their prime and tough series boards actually do so you could plug a PCIe Gen for graphics card into your system and get a Gen 4 link if you have a rising 3rd gen processor installed in it and actually quite a lot of the board's support PCIe gen 4 for the m dot 2 slot which in my opinion is actually a little bit more important because PCIe Gen 4 16x is so far beyond what a graphics card needs at this point in time outside of some very specialized workloads that faster storage is probably a more practical use for PCI Jim PCIe gen 4 at this point in time now what I actually don't have any clarification on at this point because I haven't actually read the article is how this affects the link between the CPU and the chipset I would imagine that still a gen 3 link because the chipset itself is not Gen 4 capable to my knowledge but for the rest of it the way that it works is your CPU is just its PCI Express pins are just connected to those slots or to that m2 slot so as long as the signalling quality is sufficient it can negotiate a Gen 4 link on these boards as long as the device on the other end is PCIe gen 4 it's just it's just copper like that's what it is it's copper now the way that they route the traces has to be better for PCIe Gen 4 so that you avoid interference and that's why asus is saying well hey look these boards aren't going to handle it because of whatever reason or if you had something like a PCI Express switch or something if that doesn't have Gen 4 capability you're not gonna you're not gonna be able to necessarily handle actually I don't know how would a PL x chip be affected by that I would think it would have to be natively Gen 4 don't quote me on that maybe I'll have to get back to you on that anyway the point is it looks like there are some boards with PCIe gen 4 capability from the last generation which kind of eliminates the one key benefit of X 570 especially cuz a lot of them are passively cooled ok so I'm gonna bring you back a little bit yeah please because you just talked about how it's very interesting but something you mentioned at the beginning of the show was the controversy problem where a lot of people are going oh cool but you think if it was the other team they would be getting really mad yeah so Intel had something similar where they had a line of chips that I'm gonna screw up the code names coffee like so they had a line of chips that could have worked on their z170 and z2 70 boards and intel decided to say no they're not compatible and because while some boards would have worked and that was proven enthusiast members of the community got coffee like chips working by spoofing IDs or masking pins or doing whatever funny things that the community does I love you guys so much you're amazing so they actually made coffee like chips work on previous generation boards and so I guess this is just so I said that at the beginning of the show but I'm actually not sure that I agree with it anymore doesn't really feel the same yeah there's a bit of a difference in the way that they handled it so AMD still has time to pull an Intel on this and lock it down like manually lock it down which is what Intel did but the stance that AMD is taking here is not actually that different where they're saying look because we don't want to create confusion be in the in the marketplace we're just gonna say X 570 yes everything else no that's it and that's exactly what Intel did because there were previous generation boards that wouldn't work with it either because the vrm design wasn't good enough for any other number of reasons they said well then nothing because our compatibility matrix cannot be that complicated because you gotta remember and this is a little funky you would kind of expect top the line rog boards to support it in the fact that they don't is weird and kind of confusing yeah the fact that the lower end ones the fact that the like tough and prime boards do is like okay so by keeping the message simple hey the new gen works the old one doesn't you avoid ticking off the customer who just spent $400 on a crosshair whatever and now has less functionality today than the B 450 guy then the B 450 guy that saved a buck last time which like I mean that's great and it's cool that they have support but I totally understand why this would be confusing and it's like the inverse of what you'd expect and keeping the messaging clean can be the best bet a lot of the time because I mean a perfect example of this is giveaways you guys might have noticed we don't do a lot of giveaways on our channel the reason for that is that for every one person that you make happy you piss off 10,000 oh yeah and so for someone like an intel or an AMD for every one enthusiast that they make happy by enabling this feature and obtain was another one where it could have been back ported to older generation boards but they didn't because they didn't want to make it confusing for every enthusiast that you please out of the last generation you are going to create a bunch of confusion with normies who don't understand why their stuff doesn't work so I get it but I also think AMD so far has been better about this in that they are at least allowing it to work rather than nealy locking it off yeah so something interesting have you talked about like enabling things can sometimes to be bad doing giveaways sometimes to be bad interesting random little tidbit we added casting to the app but it was in a known somewhat buggy state but it would probably work for a lot of people and we're like oh we can release this version it says that it's an alpha every single time we release a new version of the app there's a big pop up talking about everything and we say specifically in their casting might be buggy average ratings for the app went down when we added casting as a feature because people were like hey casting doesn't work BAM get rekt instead of people going like oh five star it'll be cool with more features come now they're going like feature got here didn't fully work even though you said it might not get rekt and it's like it's interesting I'm not complaining it's just an interesting observation yeah that sometimes giving people something is not actually great because if it doesn't work properly or announced or if someone else doesn't get it or whatever it's gonna create animosity and that makes sense it was just it was a really interesting observation so you can the app I'm gonna throw this in here really quick iOS app is like very much on the way it just takes so much longer to do anything in relation to Apple than it does with Google holy crap our app has to be manually reviewed by like a person and I have to like give them a write up explaining the app and how it works and all this kind of stuff that they have to read before it can be test flighted for like not even actual release and then we have to do that and then we're gonna have to actually release it at which point I believe it has to be manually reviewed again but I'm not certain on that and it's gonna take like a few business days to get manually reviewed so it's coming I don't know exactly win cuz it's kind of in their court but it's all in the way yeah all right play some video games yes do it alright so foods here yeah yeah all right so right into the lounge goodnight ladies and gentlemen see you next week same bat-time same bat-channel bye hey wait you're going to do something next week should people be like look for you there I'll be I am Chicago yeah yeah so Luke's gonna be there Intel sponsoring you yeah if I recall correctly so I don't I think I'm building a computer or something cool so guys check him out he's gonna be at I am in Chicago don't miss it if you're gonna I am in Chicago yeah otherwise I'm not gonna say like get on a flight to see this guy because if you're gonna do that come to LTS yeah I was literally just