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comparing the eight to the note eight which was incredible because they know it definitely did lag behind yeah yeah like specifically if we look at 3dmark the iPhone 860 two thousand eight plus sixty-four thousand note eight you just referenced thirty-nine thousand yeah I mean it's one of those things I got a lot of flack from my no date review people didn't really like it they said I didn't really give it enough credit but one of my key points was not that it was a bad phone at all I said it's a great phone it's probably the productivity King if you have any use for the stylus whatsoever actually there you go I know being a huge iPhone fan too I was quite surprised how much I really liked it have you watched movies on it I watched Netflix okay so any 21 by 9 like ultra wide screen content it felt a little bit wasn't ultra wide but it was still it felt a little bit strange because right a little bit I don't know it's not rounded yeah I mean not to I'm not gonna complain cuz I mean I watched stuff on plane it's all the times that's right it consumed most of my content so I'm like this is a step up for the back of an airplane but yeah I mean and I think cameras too or something that is what people are mostly into most a normal person who is gonna go get their phone they just want us to take incredible photos to share out and you know even getting a chance to see it at the Apple event I mean the gold so I'm getting so excited but in comparison to the X that's what I'm gonna be interested to see because the hype around eight is way less than previous years and there are tons of people that were talking about there were no lines right usual but I feel like that'll be way different for the end o the X is gonna be a completely different story because and don't take this the wrong way it's it doesn't have to be a derogatory term but that's the one that zombies are lining up for yeah I will be there like if I was with my undead bells on and and it's just it's it's one of those things where anyway so back to the back to the no date one of my criticisms one of my key criticisms was that every previous note had something really different really killer about it and I feel like Apple killed that with the iPhone X if they didn't do that the eighth lick the face right no the eighth is the most boring phone of all time it's essentially a 7 s can you believe they're still using the same shell as the 6 no which is kind of crazy we need tried to get away with it by saying it's the glass back which it does look really good like I like that look that's going back to like the iPhone 4 when they first introduced that which was I I love I still have an iPhone 4 actually on my nightstand it's a great look I bought it right basically yeah yeah I just use it when I need like if I'm going to somewhere where like I might get mugged or whatever and I but I want a phone I just take my iPhone 4 people are like give me your phone well clearly you don't have much love for it if you're gonna give it up industries well no come on it's worth less than my life I'll say that much to add some more stats to this before we can going in Geekbench for the iPhone 8 was 54% faster than the Galaxy Note 8 and in just 54 percent and just in standard media encoding I don't remember exactly what was it was a two-minute 4k video yes encoded the iPhone 8 finished in 42 seconds the note 8 took more than three minutes and the galaxy s 8 plus took more than four minutes so what that tells us is two things number one is that the iPhone 8 is hella fast and number two is that they are actually walking the walk when it comes to GPU computing and CPU computing and marrying them together yeah because I am has been talking about that since the acquisition of ati back in what was it Stephen would know this was it 2008 ati acquisition yeah so whatever about 10 years ago since then AMD has been talking about how the GPU is going to be this fun matte fusion they called it you were not going to be able to tell the difference between a CPU doing something in a GPU doing something you were just going to click go on a web page or you were going to click encode on a video or you know warp stabilized in a video editing application and it was just gonna use whichever one it used or some mixture of the two and we were gonna treat the GPU like like more CPU cores and programmers we're gonna get into it and it never happened but this is one of those infuriating things for the non Apple folks out there where Apple takes an idea that everybody else has been talking about for all this frickin time and then actually does it does a Russian I mean you know being a huge Apple fan I think I get so much crap from the rest of you guys which you know I I and it for fair for fair reasons you know I mean what Apple is good at is taking all the things that everyone has been doing really really well and then they make it a widespread thing for everyone to enjoy and the easy to use like during the Apple event there's a few things I know wireless charging was one of them for me where I was like yeah thank god they're doing it fine so everyone will do exactly I'm I was so afraid that just completely unnecessarily they were gonna make it some other today we're gonna make it proprietary to I was like no I was I was sure of it you know what I think we actually do have like lackluster but present adoption of the technology broadly enough I think we have that to thank for Apple kind of going okay this has enough momentum now that we don't need to absolutely break all the things for no apparent reason yeah I mean I thought they might have switched USBC for the X but they didn't I was I was kind of hoping that they would as well and I was really hoping like a lot of devices have a type C port but if you go and transfer photos off of them they're actually running at USB to speeds know that Apple actually did have a USB 3 lightning connector on the iPad pro as if I believe the first gen so I'll be interested to see if the Lightning connector on the X is at least USB 3 that would be sick no I'm not question I just knows you called it the X I'm sorry it's 10 I know and I do that because I use Final Cut X which is also Final Cut 10 right and I've been calling it that at the beginning so it's I'm so sorry but then apples thing is like OS X is not OS X its OS 10 so there they have a long enough history of X is 10 that we're just supposed to ignore that all the other phones are called 7 and not VII well where did the iPhone 9 go yeah that I have a theory I think the iPhone 9 is coming next September that's actually a brilliant idea that I didn't even think of so the iPhone 9 is coming and it's gonna still be the like step down it's gonna be like the the new SE and then the X 2 or the 11 or whatever whatever they end up going with in terms of this series naming or the X mark - you know what that I hear again tinfoil hat I think they're just gonna call it the iPhone 10 again next year I think they're just gonna call it the same thing because they've done it with every other bloody product line if they actually add like mark - that's kind of cool but they don't yeah I know that's the issue you said mark - I was like this pretty late 2018 technically the the eight should be a 7s but I mean I'm if I'm not mistaken I believe it's the same 11 chip that is also in the 8 and the X is that correct I believe so yeah yeah so I don't know I mean they're still sharing a lot of that same technology and I think it's gonna be like do you want facial recognition and do you want to give up that touch ID button I don't touch ID touch ID I don't think my parents would either so I feel like it's there's a different kind of generation gap and I don't know it's yeah it's gonna be interesting to see when the X comes out we got what people kind of gravitate towards I think that's part of the reason we didn't get a new shell for the 8 is that now it's the value from yeah yeah in the min much the same way that like you uh you know if you buy an se it's that iPhone five shell yeah so the value phone is like the like it's one of those things where Apple status it's it's a it's a status symbol where if you get the jet black one everyone knows you're a mega baller and bought the top of the line and then you put a case on it but in much the same way you don't even know there's no way you can even tell it unless you look I think Apple wants people who buy an eight to feel like last gen champs a little bit for at a glance for it to not look any different for sure yeah I mean if they even wrote a to the camera right no that's on the X the X has the rotated camera yeah that's what I'm saying yeah so it's like extremely recognizably different yes it's really I don't think that was for a reason Goodman yeah I'm not actually sure that'd be interesting to see what I'd like to see like an I fix it teardown or something so it's killer fast which really surprised me because Apple stubbornly stuck to two core designs for the longest time when the entire rest of the industry was going like no put all the cores into the phones even though historically it hasn't made a huge difference to performance in the applications that most people are using but if I had to guess I would say this this this utilization of both CPU and GPU and this addition of multiple course is really Apple's way of saying okay look we think that people are going to need all these cores for the kinds of workloads that are coming to phones in the near future and if it's if it's Apple they're pretty good at predicting that now I had people approach me out of the blue and say can you believe so much of the keynote was about this stupid like facial emoji thing oh that a well they spent a lot of time on the watch which okay yeah because who cares about the watch no offense okay but to be fair okay listen you you will have your in tightly you don't even need to have your phone like you can have LTE on your wrist granted the battery life is not very good I think they might have talked time of like an hour but the fact that you don't need your phone you can live okay don't I don't want to don't don't y'all stand up I don't care I mean I don't think it's for everybody but I think that that is somewhat revolutionary in the fact that you really don't need this I don't need anything I can go for a walk I don't and you can go for a walk but don't go far yeah sorry Brandon it's because Justine's a little bit further back here if you if you if you scooch up then we're good yep getting rally and like don't you start look the watch the watch it has the potential okay I have a marked zero or whatever I have the original one and my issue with it is that it's a development kit it is not a finished product it is a showcase of what they want the Apple watch to do with a piss-poor battery and no ability to have the actual time showing all the time well at least I know what time it is it sometimes takes a little while yeah but I and I do think that of course this is gonna be the first gen of so I mean the joke in review is that it works great if you're sitting there and if you don't mind whoever you're with to know that you're like yeah yo what time it is but like okay imagine this like so in my review I bring up like what if you're in the middle of an awkward sexual encounter you're on your back you know you want to know what time it is it literally doesn't work you can't find out who you're talking you can't find out when it's gonna be over but it doesn't have the red dot on it cuz if not it's not LTE and I need to leave and is it ceramic I need to know no I think I think it makes a little bit more sense maybe in the States because you guys and get companion Sims very easily coming up here is it's not yet really okay so if I came here I actually wouldn't be able to use it so let's talk about the bump okay so that last last Apple topic for now but let's talk about the bump on the watch then they made a big song and dance about how they used the same frame with all the new tech package right two pieces of paper thicker out the crystal okay where's the endpoint of that are they're just gonna keep is gonna keep doing this and just keep making the bum bigger but I honestly I looked at it and if and then I put it on and I could not tell the difference I mean you look two pieces of paper what it seems like it would be very hard to notice you would not be able to notice cuz you already can feel this and it's on your wrist but yeah you're not the two pieces of paper you're fine yeah but if you want to find some more reasons to hate it oh oh that's no we don't have time for that that's pretty that's pretty easy for me to do hold on a second if there's anything else interesting in here yeah oh okay this is off MacRumors calm I have some bad news for you did you know this yet I mean we've kind of all been assuming it since they announced it dun dun da iPhone 10 production faces further delays will start in mid-october okay I got two questions for you do you think apparently final production of the iPhone 10 has yet to even start yes I mean pre-orders are starting the 3rd or 27th wait pre-orders of the 3rd and it's supposed to ship the 27th so if you had to guess what do you think it is what's the supply chain issue yeah hmm do you think okay do you think it's that they can't get enough or do you think it's that they need too much I guess it's sort of two different ways of looking at it so they mean realistically they obviously made one we had it on the stage like they may have been waiting though to see how the eight did you think so potentially I mean because the screen you think is this currently giving the screen from Samsung yeah so they could also be limiting this why there's not a ton of room yeah well don't screw over more cuz you're gonna stay on the edge look we aren't set up for guest very well more like this Mike is in like a terrible position there's a way better way to do this set up and I have not been approved yet to fix it you have it no I asked you to and you're like that's way too expensive it's way too expensive it's like four or five hundred bucks that's the answer to any stupid you can also just take this mic and like probably get Jake to 3d print something yeah that would probably wear you that would probably work yeah well there was also some people that were talking about they weren't 100% sure if the facial recognition was ready so it could also be a software thing yeah that might have been a response yeah to what happened on stage but what happened on stage was that phone had been restarted and any time you restart it you have to add the pin yeah yeah so I mean it could be a combination of software not ready and also supply demand for the screens which is very realistic yeah this article also covered that the iPhone 8 is not getting as much interest from customers as previous smartphones launched this fall and suggests that there could be many Apple fans holding out for the iPhone 10 yeah really or you just get the 8 and then get the 10 and then you know and just keep you could just you could just rub them on your body every day try to absorb the Apple miss gives my sister today she's like shy go buy iphone I was like oh you're never gonna get one she's like walked in the Best Buy got one and just I was like well that was easy so I'm not sure right the supply I mean people like are still getting them same day designs weren't very long but the pre-orders was very smooth and normally all of the Apple pre-orders is a disaster so maybe things just worked well for it is a it is a real departure from standard Apple operating procedure for them to roll out a slide that basically says it's everything you love about the iPhone 7 but better for for the iPhone 8 yeah nothing they didn't say magical they didn't say revolutionary they didn't say because it's nice though so but usually they find a way to make it seem like that's true like just plastic so it's unapologetic what they were saving that for the x10 10 I guess so but it's just like they still need to sell iPhone 8 guy I bet they probably won't have that much of an issue yeah probably not probably not and they'll be able to slow some overtime so they'll move them eventually yeah all right so our next topic thank you and it's all thank you I'll talk to you soon yes once we're done the show our next topic is definitely right in Stephens wheelhouse so get on in here all right this is fun how's it going pretty good do you want to introduce yourself sure I'm Steve from cameras Nexus we do technical hardware reviews and analysis all right speaking of technical hardware reviews and analysis add to that for a quick second we've referenced Steve and gamers Nexus quite a few times on Wayne show if you've heard us talk about things like the Noctua color controversy and a few other things you guys followed up yeah that one was interesting yes if you guys want to see stuff like that a one thing that I really like when you guys this channel is how you'll dive into like how something was made yeah and kind of sometimes Ripa company anyone a little bit but yeah a little it's a fine line to walk yeah yeah yeah but I I like the attention to detail anyways well like my consumers you get a mixed reaction on the other side of things that you mentioned gamers Nexus so rumored coffee like pricing okay so okay now I don't know how much you know or don't know and you don't know how much I know or don't know about coffee Lake so all we can go based on is what we are reading off of this page in front of us which is copied off of PC hub online PL or awesome - table dot-com okay so this is what we're going on this is all the information that we have but there is some good information in here so it tells us how many cores it's rumored to have what the TDP it's rumored to be will be but that tells us the rumored TDP tells us rumored cash tells a socket rumored and it tells us clock speed rumors as well so apparently the core i7 8700 K might end up landing about $400 as a rumored to be six core 12 thread processor at 3.7 to 4.7 gigahertz and you know whatever 95 watt TDP is that too high does that kill it is that USD perhaps that's a conversion to USD no that's so here's the thing we were talking with our patreon back is a little bit about this the problem I have with this guy just drop the patreon plug in there that's not great at the beginning too so this guy seen a YouTube retention graph so yeah I talked to them and the thing is it is evolution for Intel to go to 6 and 12 right that's definitely a movement but if you're moving in that direction and then sticking a similar price on it to what you had on previous high-end i7s well like the low end of the h EDT cts I don't it doesn't it's not really that much of an evolution so does this see that's the price does this smell like if that pricing is correct which I don't know if it is but if it is does this smell a little bit like 69 50x yeah well so here's a 2 more course yeah oh by the way it costs $700 more than the 8 core we had last gen oh by the way there's an 8 core and enjoy one thing I can say about price because I've said this before we had a an undisclosed manufacturer talked to us not long ago about pricing targets and I was told 10 to 20 more than the existing i7 Caesar bear-bear it's disruptive rare it's potentially a rise in clobberer I mean you had you got this word right on your shirt here gamers right would gamers have a reason to buy a rise in processor if the 8700 K is 10 20 bucks more than a 7700 K there's you know there's a whole lot of in that question how does it overclock your eyes the platform stable but let's assume it's a it's a reasonably well thought out Intel launch let's assume turbo boost up to 4.7 works as expected let's assume that everything is goes well should you even buy o rise it if you only play games and you're looking at spending about the same amount of money then probably not if it's $100 more than an r7 1700 and he do things like actual content creation that is CPU accelerated not just GPU accelerated yeah then you should definitely be looking at Rison so I think it comes down to a lot of things you know there are a lot of people with the rise and launch where people who are content creators are realizing there's so much performance I've left on the table yeah and they can really accelerate it now and people who aren't content creators but want to see AMD succeed are saying I can multitask but there's a difference between having twitch and your music open and playing a game yeah and actual like what you do or what we do production yeah so I don't it depends like at $408 I think that's a little too much now the chart also has some expected pricing for other processors and it has the it has the 86 hundred K so that's the rumored six core six thread at 286 so we could be seeing this particular listing inflated on the i7 because that's the most popular we know from our Amazon sales affiliate link stuff we know it's by far intel's most popular channel processor anyway but if we're looking at let's say the price gap is more like a hundred which is what it normally is so let's say that one is more like you know 380 something at 286 again the gamer question and the rumor is that the 8400 will also be a six core part I mean that according to previous asterisk 400 part should be like a 235 to $45 part yeah and again it's not really it's not a linear evolution if the price increases yeah it moves the bar so currently I fives and we set this in our review of the our fives there's not a lot of reason to buy an i-5 right now the i7 still holds on really well yeah but you look at our fives and there's there's actual there's Gaines and frame times in specific games where you don't really get that change with an i7 who's already got all the threads yeah so yeah I mean I I would need to see i-5 stay of the same price if they're increasing core count or come down with the current core count to be viable to me still I think part of the issue here and it's not going to make up like a hundred and fifty dollars but part of the issue here is that we're going from another currency and converting back to USD and it's not just dollar conversion no it's not there's different prices in different regions import taxes there's all there's the fact that this is an early listing so they could be trying to they could be trying to convince stupid customers to preorder based on this pricing that will actually drop on launch day once availability is real and pricing is real and everyone gets their listings up yeah some include like v80 and stuff too yeah yeah so this yeah this could have like 90% included so we'll take it we'll take it for what it is a rumor based on incomplete data at best and I would say to add some value to the rumor like my look at it is if it is four hundred to four time for the i7 that's kind of too much it might be a good performer yeah but that's more than I want to see if it's like 10 to 20 dollars more than the current I sevens that falls in line with Intel's current price creep where every generation they've very slowly increased it dollars at a dime yeah so that's that's kinda play a long game don't they do an yeah so sometimes you look at what they're doing you go but then other times you look at what they're doing you go yes um speaking of rumors with not a ton of credibility this one's from WCF tech apparently this came out of eurocom it is rumored and this is again this is very early rumors that the upcoming 10 nanometer ice Lake will bump the core count from 6 to 8 and then the thread count from 12 to 16 to match AMD's rise and 7 and that'll be second half of 2018 so the timing sounds right because intel does refresh every year even if they don't really have anything to show us animals Kenny are you I could have guessed that though they're gonna go that processor next year yeah but I wouldn't have I actually wouldn't have guessed they'd go 8-4 I would have said they might not bother I was kind of expecting a core for coffee lake so yeah yeah because I don't know like it takes a while to make a CPU so it's not like coffee lake is a response to rise and specifically as a piece of silicon there might be marketing attached to it that is but yeah they might be pricing attached that is like we might have seen a six core coffee leg as like a 4:49 mainstream processor to blur the lines even further right yes I don't really know much about Eisley I don't know anything officially and I have my follow tumors yeah well I think it's pretty damn early I don't the rumors get overwhelming at a point I try to stay away from right and we're so flowing out like that's something I've been saying about you and Joe we've been covering rumors of the same AMD farts for like over a half a year like I think we're like nine months in oh man okay tinfoil hat damn AMD rumors are they actually leaks or are they buzz generation created intentionally by an by or a company associated with by an or a company associated with them and there's two facets to the answer if you think it's people at AMD do you think it is sanctioned or do you think it is like guerrilla black guerrilla marketing from people at AMD who like think they have hot shame about it they have their own guerrilla marketing from Red Team plus is that it yeah yeah that's I mean that kind of fills that role already I don't know like I've only ever had one person approach me and say here's some leaked information like that's happened one time and it wasn't really anything to work with like it was it was clearly a please post this we need something yeah so it wasn't like our IHS azar soldered right but it wasn't from a big three like major engineering in my company so I don't act like there's so I don't think they would need to manufacture rumors it seems like the community kind of does that well enough all right fair enough so my theory is that it's gorillas because I mean if you've spent any time in Taiwan or around Taiwanese people working in Taiwanese companies you'll know that the the way the industry is inbred is actually unfathomable from the outside like the way people flit around from company to company sometimes even landing back at the same one multiple times everybody knows everybody and Taiwan is a small place literally yeah a small place and the thing about it is that even if you look at companies like well you could kind of go well AMD's not headquartered in Taiwan now there's Intel sure but you got to understand if you want to build a motherboard for a see if you get working with people in Taiwan and China and probably Hong Kong there's people in Taiwan who have spec sheets for ice Lake based on what Intel is expecting like now like they're thinking about it they're working people who make retention the the actual like size retention did probably already know or will soon yeah yeah so yeah I mean and and you would think that loyalty or legal like action ability at that level is so far removed that it'd be easier to leak something yep yeah rather than getting legal to sign off on something right I mean we've had like I've had really frank conversations with okay I'll say with a big three company that I criticized recently I'll say that so one of them so one of them and the conversation went look you guys have an opportunity right now to turn this criticism into a huge PR win all you have to do is come on stream with me and talk about it talk about how you did something maybe not wrong but not in the consumers best interest hide from questions and say sorry and commit to do better that's what you have to do you can take this thing that we can hopefully both agree if we both live on planet earth and drink the same water and eat the same food and live in the same reality that we can both agree happen so that's questions yeah and you guys can just take it head-on and the email thread is actually quite long like it's a couple dozen replies and there was a conference call that did take place where we talked about it and then it went dead so it got killed by a c-level or a VP level or legal and we're just not gonna talk about it apparently that happens a lot with legal I found yeah like going to for example a recent example the statement on Vega pricing being exceptionally ambiguous right there was a reason for that and it's a legal reason really so well yeah but not like we're gonna get probably beat them to it yeah like a priest or a pre-emptive typical like legal being overly concerned about specific phrasing yeah that kills a lot of conversations yeah yeah which is unfortunate because he like if you got people on this either any kind of corporate representative to actually answer harder questions whether or not the the answer is actually good yeah yeah that'd still be a big thing yeah that's unfortunate okay last topic that that I think should be a pretty good one for you actually do you prefer this one you do want to find something else what's the other one hold on hold on I got this I got this this one that's kind of interesting okay sure running a website so this was posted by good bites on the forum don't worry I know but basically in a nutshell thanks to JavaScript which is not to be confused with Java the programming language the Pirate Bay website has put code in their site that turns visiting computers into mining machines for cryptocurrency without the user knowing so your CPU fan is just going to like ramp up visit the visitors of the site are completely unaware of the activity other than if you open up task manager you'll see that your CPU is spiking to really high load maybe even reaching a hundred percent and you may notice that your system is going to be a little bit less responsive if you're quite familiar with how it's supposed to be running so piratebay not run by super ethical people so regardless of what we say about the validity of this I think they're gonna keep doing it but your thoughts so as I understand it after this was discovered yeah they said it was a 24 hour trial yes and I got a quote you wanna go yeah the minor is being tested for a short period approximately 24 hours as a new way to generate revenue so they didn't Vince any words no yeah they don't care from from like I I will say that in a sort of malicious way it is app it's absolutely brilliant to try and make money without being found out but it's so it's it's yeah it's it's clever but just like how the word great can be used for evil yeah but I mean right idea so the thing with that particular cleverness is that when you are found out and they were it's pretty bad you know really digging into hi it's generating more I don't power consumption yeah I don't think they care here's a question for you though if you're still a Pirate Bay user at this point like I don't follow the piracy scene as closely as I once did it is no secret that I had a pirated copy of far cry I definitely did part of the issue was that my disc one didn't work anymore okay but there were definitely other games I didn't have a broken business let's put it that way okay but even I know but with all the issues they've gone through with some of the changes in terms of the personnel running it oh yeah pirate bay is not Pirate Bay and I wouldn't be over there using it so in my mind if you're still using piratebay are you even gonna notice the cps bye are you gonna know of an alternative are you just stuck with it yeah I if you're using it at this point I guess you're either very loyal or don't know a better option loyal to what a logo royal - I know this I like what I can get from here I haven't looked elsewhere like any other brand loyalty you were talking about Apple a few minutes ago yeah that I was talking about this coin Hein the coin hive javascript minor has definitely been used before we've talked about a story I don't remember I don't know what website I don't think it was a site at this kind of scale though no I don't even remember it was like it might have been I feel like I had something to do with Minecraft er I don't know but like it's been used before for sure like here I'm bringing up is it org these days I I don't know I can't remember but okay so bring it up on Alexa which is an inherently flawed yeah data collection method apparently they're like in the top 100 sites global rank 89 okay if you check a traffic estimate calm or Quantcast you'll get a pretty accurate picture yeah okay so let's throw let's throw it over there as well the Pirate Bay org is new policy it is yea probably changes crap estimated monthly traffic visits in the 70 million range per month that's bigger than on intact when it was like at its peak it was about 40 million P well it's somewhere around there but they were at 40 million pageviews four per month for a while Wow just to give you a sense of scale this also has it at an Alexa rank of 136 so like I don't know how up-to-date any of this data is the point is it's a big site and if you were hitting like let's say half of the people noticed if you were hitting 2530 million machines for and and it runs as long as the tab is open somewhere in your browser for even a few hours a day even for that 24-hour period that's pretty good yeah you hit a couple million systems yeah and you just go to sleep and wake up with well it's like a it's basically they built a botnet to mine but they don't even have to install malware on unless you yeah right so it's like brilliant in that way but it's also like supremely dickish yeah and I mean you're in that community so like I don't know is okay last last discussion point around this are you getting your just desserts for pirating I don't know yeah are you sure you're not gonna come on it's the land show no one holds you to anything you say I don't think it's necessarily just because I think you would have to know a different direction Thank You justice relies on a fair trial blah blah blah system yeah exactly I think it's like you're in like the the Undercity and you're trying to pickpocket something and someone's in your pocket too and things are just happening so you're painting the pirate as the downtrodden like no no no like like you know like the jedis go down to the Undercity to do some shady stuff sometimes - sometimes good people go down there I'm having a hard time following your analogy I think so I there are if you go to like the shady part of town to buy some like lifted item and something bad happens you while you there like you didn't ask for it to happen but like oh that's like you also could have avoided it you probably could have avoided it but then then now we can bring up the Sony rootkit thing could you have avoided it by going to the shiny store that's well-lit on the mains but then I feel good buying it that I feel bad but also from the I think there there are valid uses for torrents for one yeah they're not as widespread probably at least not publicly known so there's valid reasons to use them there are people who are visiting the site we've used taurine mm-hmm we passenger his files yeah patching games especially way back in the day I know I think it's Eve client the best way to download it for alarm Blizzard Blizzard couldn't possibly have afforded dedicated servers in the early days of Wow you know yeah with all that Wow money you could turn off the peer-to-peer downloading okay so sorry go ahead you were gonna say something and then you were kind of letting us talk over easily I could avoid it so I'm not I'm not little not letting that happen again I wasn't trying to avoid it I think there are people maybe visiting the site for reasons that are not that don't involve torrenting are stealing software I see yeah what if what if I'm researching a 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you seen this google buys HTC but it's a little more complicated than that so the original article here is from Android central 1.1 billion basically for the right to hire people you know I don't know I feel like they say they what what who do they hire Motorola before they will they buy yeah and then flip them so hook them over so I feel like they'd be like okay we tried buying a phone company before and it didn't work out well maybe the issue was that they bought Motorola who hadn't done anything relevant I mean okay lots of patents mmm-hmm but okay so this is at it effects apparently about 2,000 employees the reason why I'm stuttering is this deal is to be able to hire them at a cost of about five hundred fifty thousand dollars per employee the Primeau employees are the best you've never seen employees like this this also gives them a non-exclusive license to HTC's intellectual property now I suspect if I had to guess based on that HTC's tooth non-exclusive is fine because from what I can tell Google doesn't want HTC to go out of business hmm so they're not gonna like exclusively license everything and hire what is it I think it's about half of their staff that right does it have on them I think it's something like that don't don't quote me on that one though but it says it's a significant number of their staff they don't want them to go out of business because they still I believe they still intend to contract manufacturer with HTC they are not acquiring any of the manufacturing right the employees get any of the cash from they're like oh right to be sold like cattle I super vet not like this is so yeah yeah it's like they're paying Google is paying HTC for the right to pay the employer wage but why don't get anything whether HTC has made anything relevant in the last three years or not they always queasy thing sorry go ahead they own a ton of cell phone IP because they were the og Android cell phone manufacturer hmm so one of them one of the biggest challenges around building a product is not figuring out how to build a product one of the biggest challenges is figuring out how to build a product without infringing on an 800-pound gorilla who's going to just lawsuit you into the dirt hmm for building something that happens to infringe on their patent even if you developed it independently I mean that's why it's pretty much impossible for anyone else to show up and become a GPU manufacturer at this point it's like done Intel tried and if Intel can't do it quite frankly well maybe Apple could still do it my question is I don't think so my question is how many times is Google going to do this like when an Android phone manufacturer is struggling because when they bought Motorola Motorola was basically like Dyne irrelevant yep and then if they hadn't been bought they would have been done but now they're doing great again it's well sort of but like you know that yeah you're seeing I wouldn't be surprised if it kept happen remember it's really hard to tell if a Chinese backed company is doing great well okay I don't know their numbers because they could just be getting like you could be seeing like all these ads and all these new like products and all this stuff but it could be just literally Chinese government money just by paying for all of it true and then just buying the inventory off the shelves when it's done and burying it in a hole like we don't know or incinerating it and then creating rain to like we don't know yeah no that's fair but in terms of like brand awareness I mean I know I know that I've been hearing a lot more about like the moto moto G Series and stuff right there they kind of found anisha's like this budget thing like my brother-in-law has one I think they're killing it yeah too right yeah is my understanding anyway is the same good thing gonna happen with HTC like buy they didn't buy the whole company they bought part of it but like I don't know it's gonna be interesting to see whether it actually saves them or not right I love HTC I kind of have an emotional connection to them because they're did you ever see that original commercial with like with the we are you and you and you and the piano I like that commercial probably from a PR firm I first Android phone was an HTC okay now speaking of the feels from when you were a kid this original article is from bbc.com Toys R Us files for bankruptcy protection in the US and Canada damn Wow 64 6 what 64,000 employees they have those funny bursaries are us I think they're in the whole four billion four billion I do it guys can we raise if every person on earth legitimately every single one of them we need is contributed 50 cents we need a Sarah McLachlan commercial yeah guys look in the eyes of this Batman action figure so a u.s. bankruptcy judge approved a loan of more than two billion to help stabilize the toy chain and I mean I love Toys R Us as much as anyone but why is anybody giving gigantic big-box retail chains billion dollar loans I was gonna say this is just another Amazon created corpse mmm right like Amazon just murdered this company yeah yep I mean would you lend them two billion dollars no I'd have to get two billion dollars first the fact that they oh you know two billion dollars tells us everything we need to know about how the business is going billions I mean the stuff they sell is like 30 bucks well I don't know lego min okay that's true it was expensive yeah so in 2016 about 13.7 percent of all toy sales were online and that's up six and a half percent from five years ago that's in 2016 that's last year in countries where Amazon is not as big so the UK the EU in general Asia not included in the bankruptcy really so it's just countries where Amazon is big because I wonder who killed Toys R Us this is the thing about the the rise of Amazon it's like you know I just and was saying she can order something and have it arrive in 15 minutes we don't have that luxury but you know but it's like it's yeah p.m. but but even here it's like a couple days as long as it's got Prime we have a lot less prime selection but like I definitely get my money's worth oh that's fine that's for free shipping if you want to pay for it you can get it by 9:00 p.m. same day yeah up to you as long as you order before I think it's 11:00 a.m. Hearst and it's just like it's actually more it takes less time like out of my life bison by an order of magnitude oh yeah to where I just like I like if we're gonna give but if my kids have a stupid birthday party to go to I've just got Amazon top selling toys find something that doesn't look like plastic garbage order it and don't think about it anymore because my wife will wrap it and also you don't have to feel like kind of a weirdo walking into a toy store as a grown adult you know like this is for this isn't for me it's for my friend this is my friend this is my friend with a pedo stache yeah yeah I think yeah you got your speedo stash was great but I want to bring it back you should bring back every time I shave I just shave the whole thing and forget that I'm like oh yeah once - you gotta bring you know what if you want to remember just take a big sharpie and just draw on here and then you'll see it until it grows over and it'll look basically the same yeah hey it'll remind you it's it's it's almost mainstream now it's - you know when I had it yeah yeah it's like now you see a guy with moustache you're like no all right so last topic of the day this could change memes forever hmm Pepe the frogs creator boy gets legal against the alt-right so yes the creator Matt theory and his lawyers have taken legal action against the alt-right serving cease and desist orders to several alt-right personalities and websites including Richard Spencer and Mike Serna vich so Spencer Pepe is all over his site and the mascot for his podcast all right politics and for certain of it he used a 3d version of Pepe dancing with Hillary Clinton reading aloud sections of her new book he's also served a cease and desist against our slash the Donald and as someone who has tried to contact reddit about the content on their site before I can I can say that's probably not going anywhere really really good at just ignoring they've also issued DMCA takedown requests to Reddit Amazon YouTube and Twitter notifying them that use of Pepe by the alt-right on their platforms is copyright infringement and at the end of August Jerry's lawyers actually reached a settlement with Eric Houser who appropriated peppe's image for use in an Islamophobic children's book so they forced him to stop selling the book and made him donate the profits to the Council on american-islamic relations apparently Google Play has stopped selling build the wall of the game because of advertising with special guest appearances from PayPal that's what really Apple has previously Apple had refused to publish the game until it removed pip the frog and Apple has a blanket ban against Peppa the frog that it has enforcing its multiple app creators this is fit fascinating because it kind of opens up a conversation about who owns memes yes like memes have kind of existed as a sort of like oh it's a great tribute 'add content that kind of arose from the internet sort of organically so it's like if you make a meme and it becomes a meme do you own the copyright and and the answer until now though I don't to my knowledge this hasn't been like seriously literally that's a question I think you absolutely do right you got a lot of the time it's derivative but not derivative enough you didn't create anything you captioned it in a lot of cases right and the caption is often part of the original creation and and it has never been enforced no to this kind of a degree now to be clear it looks like Matt theory is only going after the alt right here mm-hmm but if he wins a bunch of these battles if he wins a battle against reddit imagine he wins against reddit there's some there's some problems though if he only goes after the outright yeah that would mean that he's doing it because he doesn't like how very specific people are using it exact thing that's a way that you can defend it also he let it happen for so long I think that hurts his case a lot that he probably won't be able to defend it anymore because he seemed okay with it I think we've even talked on the LAN show about how at one point in time he was just like maybe the Frog is just a thing man it was like the most stoned statement I've ever read it's the Frog I remember that I don't quite a while ago but it was like a very like everyone just gets to co-exist and just Pepe the Frog also taking a bunch of crap for it yeah very likely I mean what it's been so long and that statement came out and if there's a statement saying sure you can use it he's basically screwed the obvious parallel here is but as to the pewdiepie situation where he is Firewatch developer goes and as a DMCA takedown specifically of pewdiepies Firewatch content because they didn't agree with how you know with and there's a similar problem there which is probably why you're bringing this up but on fire washes website there's a specific yes you can use this for streaming and video creation and you can monetize it and like it that one's a little bit more direct the fire watch one is that's very black and I'm not even 100% sure about the pepper the frog one it was from a while ago and I think it was pretty vague anyways yeah but if there's a confirm that you can use it like right I mean to be fair is is the question whether he's old he like he's justified in doing this because I think he is yeah I don't think that's the question I think the question of whether well like legally yeah he's justified he'll win I'm talking about whether I think he'll win right whether he's justified in doing this is not the debate for sure if someone creates an image it belongs to them right and people can't use it without permission but what the discussion is is around the fact that this has always been this gray area yeah and now we're opening up this can of worms that goes okay if people are gonna start defending their memes then are we gonna kill means I don't I think there will still definitely be some I think there's definitely still gonna be some like freeware memes and I bet you there'll be like a reddit community around like anything posted in here if it is OSI has some license like the public memeing license where everyone is allowed to use it forever and then people are gonna start creating memes out of stuff that comes out of there and then memes will be saved I think I'll let you that will happen if this like goes through I bet no no the internet would would rally around memes imager and reddit would get before chen2 they're all these big sites they're all gonna get behind me let's just let's bring back a bombs world over yeah I mean for this to for this to be the death of me Mars every meme creator - yeah go after copyright for like their memes right so which I don't think yeah I don't think that generally people who are responsible for creating these kind of things I would be a lot more hesitant to use them though if you if anyone had won a legal fight ever mmm as an individual I might just yellow it but as a business individual you before how does fair use play into that because like if you take a meme and you're like okay I'm gonna make a copy this meme and put your like block text caption on it that's not I mean that's technically parody it's technically commercial use it stuff yeah yeah yeah well if it's commercial use especially when there was the exact same font usually on the previous one yeah I don't think you'd get away with that yeah right I think you'd have to change the core of the image yeah alright so that's pretty much it for the land show for today thank you guys for tuning in big thanks to our special guests Justine Stephen and Reilly you can check out la beams you're watching 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