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and we're live welcome to the Wynn show your weekly analysis and news and ah Who am I kidding we just goof around on Friday afternoons and for some reason you guys like to watch because you're weird like that I like to watch yeah who doesn't we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today but rather than tell you about them I'm gonna pick all the most boring ones so that I can raz James about it in person how to make the news man okay this headline weird case from Kickstarter that Linus likes okay first and foremost just cuz I like something that doesn't make it weird just I like to watch it I like to watch for example you like to watch - is it weird that if we both like it well no I don't like this case that's why it's weird it's weird that you like it I think I didn't get it maybe you can walk us through you can show everyone the case you can tell us why all right I don't think it's that weird I think some of you guys okay I don't think all of you guys are gonna want to pay for it because that's a whole other matter but I do think you guys will think it's pretty cool what else we've got have we got four boring news this week scroll at the bottom usually put the boring stuff on the bottom I don't know this is pretty boring Bluetooth hacked again it's scary it's scary but in like a boring way like Bluetooth has to be the most mundane boring thing on the face of the earth the boringest and cool name ratio is high though okay this is a pretty good name Oh Facebook to open a new AI loud and vote rule oh oh you like the Canadian stuff Oh Google Chrome lets you mute site okay that's pretty cool okay that that's pretty cool that one's at the very bottom you don't even know what good news is that's for last best but that's not what you said proven is live baby there's five all right fine you pick two things that cool ones okay this is probably one that you normally wouldn't even read but it's possible that in the near future you might be able to charge your electric car in five minutes I can charge my electric car in five minutes now you have a light it's a little one like this what I'll see God hit me again that was terrible there's gonna be a new gtx 1070 okay you know what I think my attempts to read boring news are still more interesting than your attempts to read what you think is the best news this is where we have a disconnect James every week Linus puts in to the document before I get to it his picks of things that pop up out to him during the week they pop out he puts them to make sure they're in the show the top one this week the fact that the that the video card guy left AMD that is sort of a big deal he just went he's taking one quarter off he's taking a long Christmas break yeah back in January he's gonna be out for three months okay okay this is so over let me put let me put it this way uh you know what fine we'll come back to this after the break first the intro yes the answer that questions yes no there's music right now no they can hear us still they can it's just annoying don't do that you're too new to the show to be annoying see Luke gets away with it I like to test the boundaries do you like to watch other people test their boundaries hmm are we allowed to talk about stuff like this well we put the sponsor logos on the screen synergy all right okay you pick no we're going we're going right into the radion technologies group thing okay so I'm gonna open up with I completely disagree with you and then I'm gonna let you go ahead and make your argue but you know I'm gonna open up with what the actual news is so the original article here was actually from yong yong kang posted it on the forum here we'll go ahead and pull that up and basically just said well that's all Raja so you might remember him as tiger in Aladdin the know you might remember him as the gentleman who dropped the Rx for 80 back when it launched that wasn't me I was just present he was the one who dropped it that's where you caught it from and he came back to AMD right around the time that they launched their Hawaii GPUs so that was the 290 X and the 290 and Vega has basically been his baby since then and he is going on a break until the end of q4 so the start of 2018 and dr. Lisa sue CEO of AMD so she's so he's been running radio technologies group which was split off from AMD proper so they're gone okay this is a CPU side this is the GPU side in an attempt to make it easier for the CPU side of things to work with folks like Nvidia and the GPU side of things to work with folks like Intel okay I'm starting to get this so dr. sue it's basically stepping in as now the boss and I don't I'd I'll just say boss because I don't technically she was already the CEO of it so you can't get more boss than that but she'll be more directly overseeing radion technologies group blurring the line between these two companies in my mind anyway in a way and also what's it called when you go like this telegraphing sort of a telegraphing an attack you know Oh got it yeah so telegraphing sort of uh in my mind potential shift in at least her thoughts for how important Raja is to our TG see I think you're reaching there okay all right make your make your argument so he don't let me stop you from making your argument but uh okay all right so he worked really hard during bag up needless to say the guy was probably burning the midnight oil for months literally a couple of years so he sent an internal email to the staff yeah thanking everyone for their hard work highlighting how kick-ass the launch has been for epic and well not epic my thread Ripper and risin and all of it and Vega since that's his his baby so he thanked everyone for their hard work and then said quote Vega was personally hard on me as well and I used up a lot of family credits during this journey I decided to take a time off they can see it they can see I'm sharing them but they like when I read stuff so it was tough on him he's taking some time off I don't think that's hard to understand so he asked sue when he should take that when he should take time off and she suggested this last quarter I think he originally wanted to go off like in January but there's more product launches then so they chose to chose now so I think your theory about how her influence or presence is gonna muddy the water I don't think that really applies I think it's a quiet time she's not gonna have to make that many big decisions I don't think okay coasting I don't think there's ever a quiet time in the tech industry for one thing here's my counter argument to that if I told you that it was in any way acceptable for you to be off work for three months unless there was I mean and here's the thing you know we don't know about his health or his family's health or you know there may be personal factors at play so that may be part of why people are reading too much into this because they don't have all the information but all I can go based on is what I see in front of me and what I see in front of me is if I told you James that barring any kind of health issues or any kind of family emergency or the birth of a child it was cool for you to just not be at work for a few months how essential would you feel and how essential would I have to feel like you are to just be like yeah that's cool you know actually you know would be great is if maybe for the next few months maybe we just didn't pay you and you just didn't come to work and then maybe after that you'll come back and you know like to me this feels more like a slow like out like a a way to to quietly phase out then it feels like a sabbatical I could be totally wrong I could be so far off the mark that it's not even funny because a lot of what's in here on the face of it looks fairly credible you know he's been working real hard and his family probably wants to see him and this has been a very long couple too few years of his life but so why no successor then because I don't think Raja is that simple to introduce a successor to and I think this few months gives them time to find somebody okay that's my tinfoil hat conspiracy theory and I would be singing a totally different song right now if Vega had absolutely kicked ass hmm that bixby talking to me huh nope not Bixby might have been see really fix me but it's for me might have been see reactivating each other it was neither yeah yeah that would be a great video Bixby would be eloquent serious big yeah oh wow that would be an amazing video like getting them getting them going like seeing if they could start activating each other like like that I'm sorry I don't understand could you repeat that like that like that prank call when you get one around a hotline to talk to the other erotic hotline and then it takes them like 10 minutes to figure out like no you called me you never know I've never heard of that oh that sounds great though if for someone who likes to watch I assume you like to listen I should look it up behind vs. pizza man that kind of thing that does sound pretty good okay so then tinfoil hat how many tinfoil hats out of 10 am i doing it no are we doing a strawpoll that's all you're saying no no I want to hear from you I actually do care what you think uh he'll be back he'll be back I'm giving you a credible six a six okay like it's not that far-fetched okay it would be true but I'm just erring on the side of not true okay alright alright I can accept that because I lied I don't care what you think anyway good thoughts you only think good I don't I don't think goods don't think good thoughts all right let's get into our next topic here my you know I got really next door is this I'm gonna have to owe everyone want to know all right want to talk about the iPhones iPhones wait is this seriously all okay so there's a couple issues here number one is I'm working on my review of the 4k blade and I'm gonna screen share you guys on something I've never seen before this is just this is just my chrome right now mmm this is not very usable it's white privilege that's it that's not this is not very helpful and and this this is the other issue this is all the notes I get you watched the event I don't you you know you know what you're gonna say I don't memorize every suit you're gonna see summary you have things to say you want to say them new information no I don't remember how many megapixels every every camera 12 there's still 12 that hasn't even changed okay well I didn't remember that so that's why you got me what new Luke I wasn't going to host the show with you I was gonna host it with someone cool but then we ran out of time saying I am NOT cool I know are you implying that I'm hot what oh you're making me very uncomfortable right now hmm okay oh okay so this is interesting um do you are you familiar with this Senator in particular you recognize that name Al Franken yes he's the coolest senator I think he's the guy that rakes people over the coals questions them hard questions he's got some more no this is I this actually looks pretty good okay so it's to do with their face ID but anyway let's let's talk about see I know I don't have a summary I don't have like oh okay next time I do need the summary for stuff like this just cuz I watched the live stream doesn't mean I don't need this every yeah I'm flying blind here okay so let's talk general impressions I don't know how many of you did tune in to the live stream that we did during Apple's event but ed and I actually streamed live the whole time to give you guys sort of a PC / Apple fanboy perspective on all of the news that they announced the watch looks moderately interesting they are taking another step towards the direction that I didn't really want to see them go with the Apple watch I mean independence I like okay ah see it's not that I don't like it it's that I think it's a lower priority then then always on display so every generation they're cramming in more sensors this time they're cramming in a sim card less sim so you can have a cellular connection without needing to actually put a sim card in it which is really cool and I would be floored if we don't see the same technology in every phone moving forward at some point here and the thing that's messed about that is that's two devices running off the same SIM card Glennis that never happens like you can make calls from the phone and then you've got yourself no you still use so it's an independent activation with the carrier so it has a sim card it's just built into the PCB but it's the same phone number oh wait okay that I hadn't thought about that that's really cool anyway so love the tech love the idea of not having to take your phone with you or like even take it out all day if you don't do a ton of texting if you just need to like set yourself a reminder take a call when people call you actually you can place calls from it you can do a lot of stuff I just I hate that we aren't making it a watch first before it's a computer on your wrist and I feel like every time they have an opportunity to throw a marginally bigger battery in it or to not put something extra in throw a slightly more power efficient processor in it and turn on all these on display they don't they just make it why do you want that more advanced because I don't want to have to go like this every time I want to know the time I'm gonna be able to like just see what time it you want to just look down without even having to turn their watch yeah I mean you're you wear a watch when you watch right now yeah people can't see it but like so let's say I'm like this Jesus you want to just be able to look at it you don't even want to have to tweak it no even that what do you know what's just the littlest week that's stupid what if I'm okay you know okay here's something yeah but the other side of that coin is having it on time for no reason stupid no it's not stupid what if it was dimly on and then tweaked it here you would shine funny what let's say I didn't have a computer in front of me right now I'm sitting having a conversation with someone at the table I want to know what time it is this phone with it's always on display is a timepiece right there boom convenient so convenient I don't have to pick it up and go like this because really here's the issue it does time almost no better than a phone okay I have to do the exact same stupid routine to check the time on my phone as I do on my watch and they're so concerned about making it call phones and browse the internet and track all of my running and walking and swimming and jumping and breathing and heart rate that it did can't like that's so reasonable for them to do that though because the biggest criticism with the watch is that it doesn't do anything so they want to put more things in it for it to do is that even the biggest criticism of a watch like it is for me who is well yeah but you wear an analog watch you I would have created your own biggest complaint why don't you get a Casio calculator watch then if you wanted to do something bunch a small you can take boobies on it this new probably probably right new blister I'd actually the secret so I don't even know how to tell time on this thing what's the secret watches I don't know what this means it's two lines down two lines down a clock I get to go home you know okay I'll confess that reading analog time is not my forte either I'm really slow at it with your counting by 5's I'm sure and I'm super slow at it like I can obviously I can do it but it takes me a bit Sephora muscle memory it's it's and you know what it's funny because I think I probably not the only one like you remember it wasn't that long ago windows had an analog clock when you click the oh that's funny we're in the way there we go had an analog clock when you click to the time in the bottom right corner no thank you whereas now they went digital with it because I think this is just a skill like driving manual that's fading from our collective hmm what but you could Lee could learn as a toddler to read that way earlier than I analog watch there's no secret to it if you know what the number looks like then you know how to say just say it about yes or no I can read to okay no time is a little bit complicated for little kids as someone who has a little kid and has so men so here you man explain me I used to be a little kid I know how it goes dad's playing hey I'm just joking go ahead please the word mansplaining is banned from the LAN show as of this moment because there's two men talking so it's no that's not why it's been it's banned because it's ridiculous um okay so you know you explained to me that it's okay dad splaining that's things allowed no it's not all dad's so so I was going through this with my son and he goes I said okay we've got to be at school or somewhere I forget where I was talking about but we've got to be there at at 8:50 and he goes oh okay so but we have the half of the rest of the hour until 9:00 or something weighs versus 12 days yeah he figured we were using like a base-10 system for time and I kind of went oh no okay actually not so so there are things about time that are complicated even if you're looking at the numbers but I'm just talking with the reading of it I feel like we've gotten off topic a little bit here so bezel this displays the Apple watch we want to talk about that I'm not excited about because it doesn't have an always-on display and Apple can sell me another watch like you know SOS with just your watch it's pretty cool not needing to be able to get at your phone or even have it with you all cool stuff but I'm not buying another one until they give me an always-on display okay all right what's the next what's the next product that they had what did I mean did they update Safari or something let's just get a meat and potatoes um no no no hold on what oh right Apple's new headquarters this is big design the design looks great I thought the keynote from the Steve Jobs theater was absolutely gorgeous also have you seen their new stores the town centre center Town Hall or what was it town town center okay we're not you know what forget it let's just not talk we're not gonna talk about from the way we're not gonna talk about the iPhone at all let's talk about the new concept for Apple's retail store and sorry I almost called it a store it's not a store it is a town center because this is gonna be a place where people go to gather and teach each other and learn from each other and interact that's right we're where they're actually Apple is bringing it full circle okay they took us interaction they took us from talking to each other like this to talking to each other like this when we're in the same room that's not how you use a phone and now they're bringing us back to talking like this about this are you sure they are yeah that's what it's all about it doesn't matter you know how many bezels are on it we just want to connect with each other and that that is what Apple is enabling that's malarkey for the uninitiated this is what's happening they are at least internally calling their stores the Apple Store is now called up oh man twitch twitch chats like line is stopped yeah awesome oh stop your Town Square town square sorry whatever it's a small question yes chin the fast do they expect the public to refer to them that way I would say keep dreaming but the Apple people have people man I mean they'll do it they're gonna do you can get them to call it a Magic Mouse if you can get them to call something a Magic Mouse then I think you can get I want to someone who has a bad experience me mad about it and still call it that way so I went to the Apple town square today and the geniuses there totally sucked so they had to call the mayor because he's the only one that knows what's going on I assume it goes all the way and the manager is called the mayor now maybe yeah and every day's on me says can you stop mansplaining right now what a winner okay I like that I like that that's pretty good Apple town mayor hey mayor yes okay okay fine so that was your first question the answer honestly I'm actually gonna go with no I don't think anyone is gonna start calling it like you can get people to call it Apple Store because that's what it is yep it's a store where you buy apples no wait it's not they can do anything second question are they gonna change the sign okay so I actually didn't look that closely at the designs for these but if I had to guess like I don't even think here hold on a second Apple town Town Square here we go let's let's get some images up here because if I had to guess I would say they probably would just have an Apple logo yes yeah so look yeah I think I think that's where that's a rectangle okay no no oh shut up I'm not even if you stand on the corner this this Town Square here just has like an Apple logo this is clearly an exceptional example that's outdoor it's literally a Plaza no that's like the idea though but Apple stores are in malls that's true but I think the idea behind some of these town squares is that they're actually like acquiring like what was this building that they said I think they said they bought like some historic building and like Italy or some crap like this thing they're gonna have their flagship stores yeah see but but here it doesn't say Apple store it's just an Apple logo but they are changing the design of the retail space to facilitate some kind of human interaction yeah and they're planning to bring in actual experts on things although they were saying that this new position they've created like creative something will be to creatives what the genius is to whatever and I'm kind of like well that's a genius then like if we're creating an analog for geniuses then my expectations are fairly low apparently it was in France buzlar Europe somewhere why don't we go with that okay so what was your second question I don't remember I was a sign yeah are they actually expecting people to talk to each other in there cuz you don't you go in there and you look at the Apple stuff that you want to look at and you still don't talk to other humans who are just shopping in there well here so here's a question though you're explaining your Apple shopper splaining right now because I don't think you've ever actually walked into an Apple store and bought something oh except for that time that you wanted to get a red eye phone to make a video and I went to the mall and I was the one who bought that rad iPhone and brought it back to the office yeah but you didn't buy it okay I didn't go through like the shopping you hand it over company money to walk out of the store with something for company use in and out in two minutes yes so as someone who is not cult of Apple can you really cult of Apple splain to people who are Apple shoppers so like normal cult of Apple people they go in there they rub shoulders be like a collective boner giddiness about how sweet Apple isn't they kind of like they experience the process and look up each other eyes me know like are you seeing this is so sec is that the idea here I don't know actually I'm not much of an Apple shopper either so you don't need someone apples okay alright let's let's let's stop with the let's stop with the blue balls we'll talk about the phone iPhone eight shockingly iterative to me reminisce you can tell I don't understand why they called it eight the only reason that I can think of is that this is a gradual phase-out of having because right now they've got what they've got I see which isn't numbered at all right then they've got the iPhone number then they've got the iPhone we skipped a number and it's ten now for some reason because 10th anniversary and it's not a numeral so if I had to guess well they called it 10 now it's yeah yeah but it's a Roman numeral 10 yes not like a a10 so it's clearly separate so if I had to guess what they're doing is they are changing the lineup so that the regular numbers are just going to be the replacement for what a Nessie would have been and we're gonna get no 8s we're just gonna get a 9 and we're gonna be using that same body design that we've had since the six we're gonna be using that like kind of for a bit on the value option yeah okay and then that gives them one more generation to kind of get people used to this idea and it buys them then two full years for OLED panels to get more reasonable so that they can bring the X X I and twelve like like physical this more premium design so they can bring that into the kinds of price points that they want for their step down so the whole lineup is going to look like X I and then last gen X so that'll be your top of the line and then your step down and then you're gonna have the kind of the cheapo line is gonna be the nine and like the SE or something like that I'll call it nine III think maybe give it a new name just like Suz yeah or they might do away with numbers entirely and so they might have like an SE and then like something else entirely and basically I think they're starting over at X or not line extensions huge the or get this before we go into our sponsor spots for the day I have one more theory bomb to drop on you Oh what am I gonna do you know how oh s ten has just been OS ten forever yeah what if this is just I phone 10 forever because Apple is responsible for this naming BS that seems to have taken the technology industry where they just call the product the same thing they did last year and the fact that it is so confusing for consumers don't worry about it we're just gonna do it what if it's just I phone X I don't think that's gonna be the case because on the iPhone they still haven't done it they still haven't gone notice because the name Mac they are the masters of making you want the newest thing every year you don't need an X right now if you have a seven but you fucking want one don't you or do we drop f-bombs no no we don't sorry everyone you want one though you want one okay but but then why would they do that on the MacBook why would they do it on the MacBook Pro why do they just call it macbook pro every times the app Apple TV okay no but then but then they went and they broke the system they called it the Apple TV 4k see I don't know what they're doing I think this is just two years we should all just do years I like it I like that no you watch two products in a year 16 q2 16 - oh that's worse is that with car model yours don't stir it blink give them a blink come on all thing for you guys this episode of the LAN show is brought to you by fresh book fresh books is the way to go if you are a small business owner or you're a freelancer and you want an easy way to save your time and be more productive even if you don't have a business and you just want to play with it but what that's pretty fun you play with fresh books for fun can you go you can dial back the show level a little bit fresh books is actually really great and if you need to track your business expenses if you need to build your clients if you need to see when your clients have seen your invoices fresh books has got you covered and they have a fully functional iOS 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all right I got to give you props for holding up that well to the reaper jerk it's worse now it's worse now than it's been I'm suffering now it gets you oh let me tell you the suffering is oh well I'm aware now I've diary everyday anyway can we talk about the Nvidia the rumor now they're working on oh no I'm not done with the iPhone 8 yet oh we haven't even talked about the X or 10 rather I want to talk about it's better ok so the 8 is super iterative whatever it's got slightly better kind of everything the 10 I hate the speaker and face face detection face ID cut out what's the thinker that's that cut out at the top oh that thing I don't mind that when you're watching videos on that though come on have you seen have you seen what it looks like when you're watching a video on it yeah it's got like a little cutout yeah I don't mind it it's horrible I mean I might get used to it really fast in my review I might be like you know what this is fine it's totally cool forget it but I love touch ID I'm actually super the opposite of Stokes that we're getting rid of touch ID agreed I think that getting into getting into where's the where's that article that you brought up Thanks Bixby Bixby is activated right now trying to help where the Bears where's that article that you brought up Thanks Bixby Bixby's activated right now that we're getting into where there's where's that article that you brought up thanks Bixby Bixby's actor James Brown Eugene that we're getting to where those worse that article that you brought everyone here to give James a raise they're working that you brought up time to give James raise actually we need to unlock the phone geez I'm right alright Bixby's with you okay so where's that okay so aside from okay so they claim face ID is more secure but senator Al Franken has actually questioned Apple about the security of their face ID and has raised some fairly interesting points here namely sir Apple has stated that all face print data will be stored locally on an individual's device as opposed to being sent to the cloud so is it currently possible either remotely or through physical access to the device for either Apple or a third party to extract and obtain usable face print data from the iPhone 10 is there any foreseeable reason why Apple would decide to begin storing such data remotely Apple has stated it used more than 1 billion images in developing the face ID algorithm where did these 1 billion face images come from it's less relevant to me really you don't think that's interesting it could be but the answer could be very mundane it could be shutterstock it could be just public images of face why would you get a billion images of faces the internet oh yeah whole internet yeah but then how would you guarantee that you have the rights to use it because the whole Terms of Service where you can collect non-personally identifying information the thing that people like usually agree to is that it's not supposed to be personally identifying your face is by definition personally identifying what steps did Apple take to ensure its system was trained on a diverse set of faces in terms of race gender and age how are they protecting its racial gender or age bias in face ID in the unveiling of the iPhone 10 Apple made numerous assurances about the accuracy and sophistication please describe again all the steps that a plan can work to ensure that face ID can distinguish an individual's face from a photograph or mask for example I would love did you know that maybe like a death mask and then like I don't know exactly how we do it I would love to have a Linus mask don't I got we make one for the video okay no you can't have it no that is so weird drop all if we made on merit all you watch if we've had one in the right store we have to draw the line somewhere how many people would be for Halloween we all know I wasn't gonna stop saying weird sexual stuff so okay at least that can go over somebody's head there whereas f-bombs are just have fun yeah see um the answer is yes yes it would it wouldn't have the experience can Apple confirm that it has no plans to use face print data for any purpose other than the operation of face idea these are all good questions one the biggest one for me is is face ID really going to be more convenient and touch ID and that's one that I'm having some trouble with because they did show they did show it operating not directly staring at the phone which is the biggest issue I have right now with iris ID by the time I like go like this and I I swear probably a good forty to fifty percent of the time I use it I'm like yeah sure you don't want to playing around with it a lot of the time it would be faster for me to just keep key in a pen because fingerprints on lock on the back year of device which that you iPhone people aren't used to you can unlock that sucker while it's still in your pocket and you're bringing to your face it's already there so you're saying that they demonstrated this thing and it up to sangil's it can already be unlocking before it's even right that it's sitting on the desk like they were simulating the you know I'm being a rude jackass at dinner experience where it was sitting on the desk right there and you had a real easy one no no this is the this is the lame-o stuff I've done the spicy one on stream before I've had enough not to not today today's been a long week I'll do it again but you know I I just don't feel like it today so iPhone 10 what is there to say really I think one last comment is that the bezel lessness of this Samsung Galaxy s8 is way better what do you think how I not held a 10 having not held at em it's not bezel s it's just has thin bezels I agree um with that said there are times when the infinity edge does interfere with me reaching across the screen I have pretty small hands but on the s8 in particular it's not nearly as bad as it is for me on the no date and I can pretty much work with it I love the idea of the s8 I haven't touched an iPhone 10 yet but I really like this phone you can imagine a screen that looks like that and is curved and bezel is like that yeah but the curved edge actually doesn't register touch at all yeah like what if there was a not visible but haptic bezel a haptic bezel haptic I know what I mean probably a matter of time I mean as soon as Apple sees someone else build some stupid weird squeeze engine they're probably thinking wow that's like almost smart except if they had done it with forced touch or 3d touch then it would be way better joint booyah I'm really surprised I thought that 10 was gonna be a knockoff of the edge but maybe that was too far for Apple for even Apple what do you think mm mm no I wouldn't have expected that I honestly nothing about it really surprised me the only thing that surprised and/or disappointed me was that we didn't end up with a touch ID sensor under the screen because if it had face ID and touch ID through the screen but is because they failed to do it properly that's the rumor yeah your another question for you Samsung is the bottleneck on their kick-ass OLED place hmm Samsung is making their displays I'm sure Apple claimed step I'm sure in the keynote they said this is the best display you can get on a phone is it the case that Samsung also has those exact displays or is there an I can extra exclusivity clause that Apple has the rights to that display even though Samsung's when making it funny you bring that up the issue with Samsung's display is the thing that makes them not as good as Apple's is that Samsung intentionally craps all over them that's the issue you mean to get other gains I think they sacrifice something for something else well they go bad they go full Best Buy cranked the vividness mode on it and it's something that I just I don't think there's any way they're gonna stop doing it there's an Asian Sensibility versus American sensibility I don't know it's a it's a hard thing to ask there's a hard thing to say because especially given how much research all of these multinationals do on the localization of a product for a given region I would have to think that if it was something that you know Americans liked to have color accurate displays I would have to imagine that other filmmakers would also tune the displays differently for different regions okay so this is interesting apparently Craig for sorry apparently Craig federighi did go on the record with TechCrunch answering some burning questions about face ID so I don't have time to read the whole thing but basically Apple does not even have a way to give your your face ID to law enforcement they never take possession of the data anonymized or otherwise it's all in the secure Enclave etc etc etc local device yep yep um they've discussed a two-factor authentication so that you could actually force the phone to require both base ID and a pin you know when you like a taste from earlier I just basically had fire in my mouth for a second like like lava just dragon dragon style just said just bath just make money do you need me for something two minutes to take a picture Wow so this is only your second time on land show and you're gonna have to tackle a topic all on your own technically it's my third can you handle not screwing this up probably not probably not okay you want to do the 1070 ti I'm pretty loose right now alright to do it all right hit it let's see it where's the original article from dang it James damn it Bobby oh okay yeah techpowerup dang it James um I don't know if you guys took care of a nick just did an awesome impression of the theme song did king of the hill yeah I don't know if we're allowed to play that so it's just as mad over YouTube watch a 24 hour livestream of king of the hill episodes worth it yeah we're not promoting piracy okay you are crossing so many lines James I am kicking you off the land show no actually I need you to cover for me on the way so here's the original Thank You Linus original article there on tech power so the basic deal is the rumor has it that Nvidia is working on a new release of probably my favorite rap discard the gtx 1070 it really hits a price performance sweet spot and there's gonna be a new one coming out we're not sure if they're gonna call it 1070 ty or ti or if it's just going to be an unnamed refresh because that's what they've done in the past for example they did a let me look at my notes there's a refresh in the past where instead of changing the name they just put on the branding on the box that what the new specs are so the 1080 and the 1060 both refreshed without name changes the gtx 1066 iike by for example is refreshed so the reason that nvidia i'm talking to nobody here and it just feels awkward the reason that they're gonna do this refresh is because you come sit with me is because of Vega because the new RX vagrant card sit right in between TX and 70s and ten 80s and so since an Nvidia can they might as well just release a car that just sits right beside that Vega mm-hmm now we're so close I feel like we should KS yeah yeah - please things are getting weird on the LAN show oh but I go away for like literally two minutes alone Wayne's world falls apart the wine show may not know that Linus hasn't really even seen Wayne's right I've seen Wayne's World but you don't care but I've seen it once you can't quote it a long time ago then you haven't seen it I know something about party time excellent a lot of the time when we're writing scripts references that are shared between us are like the bots that like the essence of the humor like the fact that we're both South Park fans comes up a lot and I'm always going for Wayne's World references and he doesn't get them and it's just like I just everytime just melt it's not that funny it's basically an SNL skit stretched out for way too long like if I recall correctly the plot is just inane please go you're gonna tell me you also like the Cable Guy I bet uh that one I haven't watched since childhood okay as a child when it came out I literally walked out of that movie your parents where are you going well I was watching with my grandma actually she was sleeping you just peace I go to the arcade grandma see yeah it was it was that bad and I know that I'm probably taking some flak in twitch chat right now but cable guy was an awful awful movie okay but what about the scene where they're at that medieval times restaurant and they're fighting is doing that Star Trek theme song that's classic no Mack stop it was not funny not funny at all um why is everybody talking about Rick and Morty because it's Paul they're saying it's better than South Park it's not better than South Park I mean Rick and Morty has a couple episodes where I feel like they've made some sort of like some sort of social commentary approaching the depth of an in South Park episode mm-hmm but maybe social commentary is not the Forte but maybe it's not but I mean how do you so you're saying it's apples oranges I'm saying it's totally Apple store and I think they're compared because they have an overlapping fan base like types of people who like South Park are the types of people would like Reagan yeah but I would say there's a lot of the types of people who like both of them that probably don't really get either of them weird so are you an splaining right now no I don't think so I don't think I'm not insulting Rick and Morty I I really like like a lickin Morty oh that can Rorty have to watch it um no I I I really like Rick and Morty I just I don't think it's comparable to South Park at all I mean the other thing too is it's basically in its infancy I mean if you go back and look at season one of South Park season one of Rick and Morty kind of stomps all over it season one of South Park is mostly toilet whereas by the time they hit sort of season three to see sixes Golden Age for sure yep six seven I mean that stuff started to get really really good I mean Rick and Morty's only on their third season right now so and I thought honestly I thought the last episode was probably the best one of the series so far in terms of actually having a meaning that's deeper than you know I'm I'm a silly scientist and I burp when I talk and you know scary stuff happens or whatever I thought the the episode with the Citadel I thought the episode sort of looking at life on the Citadel was really interesting I it it kind of you can kind of see that they weren't necessarily really expecting much in the way of continuity that's also something that I think the show both embraces and suffers from that they don't really care that much about the Citadel being explicitly described as the effort of a few thousand Rick's the first time that we're introduced to it and then being expanded a couple seasons later to basically being an entire society of Rick's and Morty's that's you know had all these struggles for so long so iller Oh oops and have you realized or do you care that okay no I don't I don't think anything I said is a spoiler I will and I won't give you guys any spoilers I mean nothing that I've said will not be obvious within about the first 30 seconds of the episode so you guys you guys are all good but in my opinion it's the best episode of the show so far anyway carry on it's not pickle Rick pickle Rick is just kind of goofy like if you're if you're into kind of silly humor then pickle Rick's a great episode but it's one of my least favorite so why don't you tell us why and videos refreshing the 1070 why didn't you just tell people why they're refreshing the 1070 yeah pretty much just as a response to Vega do you think though they're gonna call it ty or not um I wouldn't be surprised if they don't if they don't yeah yeah III just it might just be like cuz they yeah cuz in the past they've done they've done at so many other pressures it's something I really don't like it's something that I wish they wouldn't do but again we have Apple to blame for all of this crap it all comes back to Apple just calling their product the same thing over and over Dam it up so yeah I think the idea here that is it's gonna smash or at least be the same performance as Vega but just with a lower TDP and a similar price point so why wouldn't you get it yep I think that I think that Nvidia could have easily just sat on their butts and done nothing about the Vega launch because at this point they're pretty much just printing money the rnd for Pascal is so paid for but if they do something then I mean I guess great I mean that's that's what we want right we want competition to mean better graphics cards for all all right let's talk about some more AMD news der power the deal itting king is back he's back with more news I got a little carried away there second I don't get so this was posted on the forum by Swanson and the original the original article is actually a video so it's go ahead and fire that up hey Roman there you are bud so he comes out and he's like hey AMD said that the two extra dies on thread Ripper were specifically dummies and it turns out that they are not just silicon spacers but they are disabled or at least non-functional Zeppelin dyes that do contain transistors what is it I would they lie about this this is what I don't get Wow okay so some people respect they knew that it could mean that in the future there may be a thirty-two core thread river maybe they wanted to just delay that little rumour from coming out but it's taken until someone deleted it for us to speculate on that I could expect you agents no no well then as possible as you are like I've heard speculation about that going back to Computex before threat or even launched okay and this is from people in the industry which always leaks so it always becomes something that's speculated outside the what did they explicitly say that there was no transistors in there yeah I just have a different definition of dummy than you did why wouldn't they just know they they specifically said they were spacers well they are and that they weren't failed dyes but if we can see that they contain transistors then okay what we don't necessarily know what we don't necessarily know is that they are exactly so they they did say no working transistors so that could no you know what no there's there's no I don't really think there's any way around this as far as I can tell these are I don't I don't know I don't know what I don't know what they are I just what I don't understand is why they would come out and say something like that when they could have just said yeah they're failed ones or they're the f-word inner product launch yeah but everyone everyone talks like everyone talks about the process of bidding I think it's fairly well understood within the kind of enthusiasts community that well Intel already saw this happens Intel already got to be smart me by saying shredder is glued together so they could have said it's just a bunch of failed chips glued together yeah but Intel does the same thing no this is not that yeah but like it would it would come across and we're really insincere completely meaningless because everybody does it so are you confused or you actually just kind of upset okay I'm just confused did they break you're trying yes here we've got people saying war boy act says if the cores were enabled the CPU would have six or eight channel memory also no it wouldn't because the socket and the motherboards wouldn't be wired up for it now it's possible that AMD was hope that what they were hoping to achieve was that nobody would run out and try to unlock course but then they couldn't possibly have thought that no one at any point was gonna rip apart one of the dies once a thread ripper failed they couldn't possibly have thought that because it is really easy to tell like you can see it's visible to the naked eye if you are okay if you look at the video of the 7700 K that we are 67 under Kate whatever the chip that fellow to the Vice when merkel dropped it it broke apart you can clearly see like the the cash and the cores like 10 is visible to the naked eye that that's that that's a cpu die once the top breaks off you're looking at me but I can think of right now is that my stomach is the cauldron they couldn't have possibly expected people to not look at it at some point so I don't know this just seems super dumb and it's up to us to get answers yeah I mean maybe they just didn't want this is a good theory from also for more boy X maybe they just didn't want people you know running thread rippers and epic sockets or vice versa maybe they wanted to separate their consumer slash prosumer from their server I don't know I don't know but I'm I guess I'm over it I just don't understand why they wouldn't be straightforward about this because they have nothing to gain and their credibility to lose their and there's a lot of times when you run into stuff like this in the industry where it just kind of goes why would you deceive us about this no one could possibly care that you were doing it this way like the same way that everyone has made CPUs since basically the dawn time and by that I mean the last few decades because that's as long as we've had CPUs why not just say yeah we're doing it that way same as usual unless you count the brain what Bluetooth has been hello there's more interesting ones really more interesting ones all right some attack vector Linux it's a scary hack though because you're blue to the justice beyond and you can get hack iOS has been immune since 10:00 Google provided device manufacturers with a patch last month but it's up to them to push it wha-wha except the likes of Samsung to push yeah apparently there are literally billions of devices that are compromised yeah but they this has been perhaps since July so well on Windows okay we're not talking about it yeah all right fine what else do you got for me no it's boring Google offers free repairs to pixel owners affected by Hurricane Harvest now this is the opposite of what we're just talking I see this being abused this is an opportunity this is low-hanging fruit this is an opportunity for a company at Google to get some kick-ass PR during a very hard time for lots of Americans to say you know what guys free repairs if your phone that's not as waterproof as some phones on the market gets damaged in this hurricane crisis how many people are gonna take them up on that not that many so that is some cheap good PR yeah we're talking about it okay all right cheap good PR I don't know that this is gonna be entirely good PR but let's have a look at the element six this is Olson I'm willing to commit the craziest case that I've ever seen so this is an appearance I don't think that non-functional prototype that looks like the final product let's go ahead and skip back over here check this thing out I guess I don't like that it looks like a car but that's the idea it doesn't look enough like a car though it looks like an abstraction of a car no no no no no cuz the finish one will be more like this like it has a little grill on it well no it's also got like cutouts for the windows and the windshield like basically this is supposed to be like the case that's unlike any other case they're trying to merge art and technology yes they're making a case that's carbon fiber yes that belongs on the desk of like the CEO all of that is awesome I just disagree with the form factor they chose being this particular car shape why doesn't want to look like why it look like a car it should just look like some kind of weird form if anything you think so like a little carbon-fiber blob or something so there there's kind of the best look that we have at what the finished finish will look like what the girls will look like this is done by the singularity computers guys if it was anyone else then I'd be like yeah that's dumb forget it okay in Australia oh yeah but these guys know gorgeous gorgeous work and these guys if there was anyone that I think would actually be able to build something like this and make it incredible these guys would be it why is that just because they have they have a long history of just building amazing art pieces they only got two backers though so it seems like most people agree with you or at least most people with 6,000 US dollars that's what the pledges that the minimum pledge that's not the minimum pledge but that's the minimum pledge to get a case I did the math they're looking for 148 thousand US dollars yeah that will sell too that will allow them to build 24 units so that's like 60 100 bucks each I mean obviously they had to get the expertise that to build the facility like there's people hours involved but they already have salt like they're gonna retail for six grand eventually they just want to become a case manager this will never be retail they're gonna sell them on their site how are they didn't you read by comprehensive show notes no imma let you in on a little secret you allowed to give me shit about them poo okay poo emoji about them so I don't know I I think it's cool I don't I okay you know what I actually don't have much of a defense for it so this was originally posted by North Storm on the forum I think it's cool I think it's different I think it's something different definitely and I think that it's good for the industry to see things that are different and I hope it succeeds so I hope you succeed sue there I do alright this one I'm not really sure what I want just puppy on my desk tonight things sweet this is another thing I want to watch you want to watch I like to watch Oh Phillips ready the curved ultra wide 492 p8 display a 49 inch 32 by 9 so to be clear this is two of them stacked one on top of the other stacked one on top of the other because for some reason you would you would want to spend $2,200 to have one bezel rather than a cross of bezels when you could have done it for a fraction of the cost I'd write if I were to have I there's nothing for display I'd rather put them side-by-side I have this kick it you know okay as someone who's actually done ultra wide Eyefinity I can tell you the experience is not as good as you might think it's like looking I wasn't looking up high although that's probably only the same height as that last tall monitor we looked at ya know probably but I don't like it by nine this thing is just bizarre so the original articles from a non tech there it's not quantum dot there's no free sync to the refresh rate is unknown it's about a grand and the resolution is oh of course you own oh there it is 38 40 by 1080 what were you going to say I was about to say that of course the same guy who didn't put in any of the specs of the new iPhones wouldn't put the resolution of a monitor but you did 600 its brightness is pretty high five thousand to one contrast I find kind of hard to believe and listen that's what they always say our tests never have anything close to maybe a VA panel set to launch in q2 of 2018 we have already confirmed we are getting one well all this is to say you miss a critic crucial piece here so we've seen a super all tried already from Samsung that got announced this is actually the same panel Samsung is supplying the panel to Philips okay it's just Samsung's is more gamer II Samsung's is 144 Hertz we don't know the refresh rate at this one yeah Samsung's is quantum quantum dot and all these other expensive features this is value one exactly so if you're not a gamer if you just want to look at the stock for working Schmo who needs 49 inches of display for your average Joe who still has a thousand bucks but not 1500 bucks this is it alright fair enough all right so I think that pretty much does it for the wham show for this week thanks guys for tuning in thanks James for coming on for the last time and we will see you guys again next week same bat-time same bat-channel can you at least go the rest of the show without dropping any f-bombs Frank fairly ferngully firetruck oh by the way the calendar we're making the calendar sexy time men of tech calendar No you can raise again that monitors not coming out till next summer by the way next summer yeah no this is q2 2018 oh I know but we're getting one apparently the land show twitch chat is terrible I really don't know what does that mean what do you mean by that what this person was expecting just someone posted on the forum the LAN show twitch chat is terrible in what way I don't everyone thinks they're hilarious like it's a spammy yeah I guess yeah