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in the past few years as we've been live streaming the show that's may be impressed year of make you think hey they're doing a good job or have the forethought into this we're trying to - all that reset back to ground level so that now we can do like minor things to impress you guys again from here I know you must destroy you must destroy in order to create yeah thank you so that's good to give you more of an explanation but let's talk about some techniques you first off we have apparently a 12 core AMD Rison processor which has appeared and a user benchmark database entry whoa so this once again is from the infamous tomb of Epis AK ton ipecac to map a sec who originally posted this it is an AMD engineering sample which has appeared in the user benchmark database is still there if you guys want to pull it up links are in the description by the way for the stories were talking about today OC 3 D picked up this though pick pick this up and they kind of went over some of the details now it's still too early to tell obviously when these benchmark entries come in they there are certain ways to fake this type of thing so grain of salt and everything but it does appear that as was anticipated back in January when AMD first showed off rising three stuff or I'm sorry rising 3000 series processors based on Zen tomb architecture that the processor that Lisa held up there had space for not just a single eight core type of possibly a second one so speculation is that we'll have up to 16 cores and 32 threads on the mainstream Andy platform in for sockets and everything this benchmark entry seems to corroborate that to some degree again assuming that it is correct the entry itself used an MD Myrtle system which is a code name that has been used in the past to refer to Andy I'm sorry a.m. for test motherboards the actual sample name is 2d 3 2 1 2 BGM cwh 237 flash 34 underscore 10 rolls off the tongue which we're all very familiar with according to the article the D and the M in that name which is is there is there a second ago where you go oh it's right there the V in the end in this name appeared appear to indicate desktop for 1 then the M I'm guessing maybe is mainstream which means it was it's it's for the ambien for platform that's how they're deriving that information the actual entry shows a 3.4 gigahertz base clock in at 3.7 gigahertz boosts clock for this engineering sample also of note is an engineering samples in particular engineering samples that have database entries like this often are running at lower frequencies than their actual shipping frequencies when the CPU actually launches so if you think 3.7 gigahertz boost is slow then while you're talking about more cores for one but also it might actually run faster than that one actually launches also note is it that it used ddr4 2666 memory and you can sort of slow the score the score entry is there for single score quad-core and multi-core so yeah hopefully that's true rumors that we've talked about here on the live show recently have indicated that if we're expecting rise at 3000 series to launch probably looking at like July maybe June July my my money right now would be on a like a formal announcements with some demos and maybe some early information at Computex followed by a launch a few weeks later or a month later in July it's not like they have something you know what launches they've done in the past yeah so that would make sense that would be fairly reasonable and if you want a comparison here at least I've pulled up the multi score multi-core score scores for these these tests on user benchmark this engineering sample scored 1741 in the in the multi-core test a 2,700 X scores 1294 so from about 1300 up to about 1750 a 9900 k scores about 1505 on average hmm so that's also a decent jump up over the 9900 K which would expect given that it has more coarse 50% more cores and threads so cool moving up right do you guys ever use WinRAR I'm gonna change that transition it's it's getting a distraction this check distracting let's do hold whatever hole is trap hole well when are the software that you download whenever someone sends you a dot RAR file and you're like why didn't they just make it a dot zip now i have to download winrar when winrar winrar kind of a tongue twister yeah when our i mean to its credit is perfectly functional usable software that does like to unpack many different varieties of compressed files but one of those compressed file types in particular dot ACCE has presented a vulnerability with the softwar software and one that's actually been around for about 14 years oh good yeah and they've just now patched it so the good news is they patched it the bad news is you know Bolton roller that's a vulnerability there aren't any stories about like people being crazy hacked by this or anything but the vulnerability itself was discovered by the security forum security firm checkpoint software basically a seee files are are susceptible to this when are uses third-party code libraries in order to do unpacking of certain types of compressed files so the one they used for jce files is called an ace v2 DLL which is a code library that hasn't been updated since 2005 which is 14 years ago so an AC file format is from win ace it's designed specifically for win aced on windows do you know when ace is when ice hasn't been updated since 2005 so that's why you probably haven't heard of it it's a very old format okay but you could take a winrar or an AC file and you could I forget whether it's you take a docker our file new rename it to AC e or vice versa but one way or the other you can take it you you can you can winrar will take that file and if it's created the right way to exploit this vulnerability it will unpack an executable into the system startup folder they weren't able to initially do that but then they can I used a few more little tricks to get around that unpacks an executable to the startup folder the next time you restart the computer it runs that executable code so of course that could be any variety of you know malicious software that n runs on your system in a bad sort of way so good news winner R has been patched the what they did was basically dropped AC e support because they said it has not been updated since 2005 they do not have access to the source so scored source code so WinRAR no longer compatible AC files so all of you dot AC e on your windows a surjection fanatics probably sad by that one anyway update winner are and that's all a small price to pay moving at one terabyte micro SD cards I want a bunch of these micro huh micro I see your phone so you can pop them in your phone the really tiny ones a little like fingernail-sized your phone are your drone they can now yeah good for drones good for like hero Pro or action cameras like that mm-hmm and man one terabyte on on that tiny little that's insane tiny little thing there micron and Western Digital in particular have both unveiled one terabyte micro SD memory cards they did this at the Mobile World Congress event yes Barcelona which is going on right now actually going on and through the 28th they believe so there's a few other stories we're going to talk about with relation to that event and stuff that's been announced there Lex are actually is the first to market with one of these I thought I had a link for that where you go right right go didn't turn into a link for some reason so Lex are actually announced its back at CES and you can actually order it right now so it's available on B&H look at that Lex our one terabyte hope you ain't chest this is one this is an SDXC memory card though not a micro SD but it's still one terabyte card $400 actually shipping March 6th or that's expected availability according to B&H photo video right here damn micro wasn't same SD cards though like thing even smaller should be available they're gonna cost they're gonna be expensive too available in April sand disks is going to be the SanDisk Extreme UHS - aye micro SD card in April for $450 and it's assumed by Western Digital that's what W DS part of this micron does not have a price for their one terabyte card which has also been announced they say it's gonna be available in the second quarter of 2019 WD knees SanDisk card has the faster read speeds 160 megabytes per second just pretty impressive that's right up there with like a spinning mechanical hard drive microns read speed is a hundred megabytes per second which I would lean towards the WD in that case because like fine I've got 4k video and I'm copying it off the card I want it copy up the card faster yeah good the micron card does have the advantage when it comes to the write speeds though because it does 95 megabytes per second versus ninety megabytes per second on the SanDisk one microns is using 96 layer 3d quad cell QL seen and we're just just fun that's very funny many many terminologies to apply to that man's best man again does have the faster rate speeds so there it is these read and write speeds though pale in comparison to the other thing that was talked about at Mobile World Congress which we're talking about on Kyle's app of the show which is micro SD Express cards which can do like nine hundred and eighty-five megabytes per second it's like double the speed of a fast SATA SSD why that cows have though which we blue we will be switching to in just a few moments this means they'll have to scale up the support for mobile devices because I know a lot of like phones and stuff will only take you know micro SD cards up to 512 gigs for example so there's gonna have to be some sort of catch up process yeah I mean the SDXC I think that standard does support up what a terabyte I don't know if it goes beyond that hmm but I believe SDXC can apply to both full-size as a full-size standard SD card as well as a micro SD card hmm I could be wrong about that but let's hope I think that's how it works okay speaking of fast transfer of data to something external USB 3.20 this just stimulates my body sb 3.2 is a thing that will be absorbing the USB 3.0 and 3.1 standards that right that's right yeah if you have any USB 3.0 or 3.1 device there will be a USB 3 point to device that comes along and like eats it and sort of consumes its and absorbs its its Chi and energy and it's very sexual and then you have USB 3.2 wrong that's what I thought it was gonna happen when I first read this article but that's not actually how it works oh that's too bad unfortunately the way it actually works is stupid and confusing no and it's just a matter of them renaming things over and over again in an effort apparently to confuse people or something like that but for example here did you know I think you did but maybe you did or didn't like right now we have USB 3.1 gen2 yes and we have USB 3.1 gen2 you know what USB 3.1 gen2 on is it's just you as a glorified USB 3.0 it is just USB 3.0 yeah the same yep they just renamed it we're getting when they had USB 3.1 gen2 hashtag mark because you know adding dot numbers after making decimal points and adding generations makes things simpler and easier to understand yeah so kind of in the same way USB 3.0 which is currently called USB 3.2 gen 2 by to you following yeah you it uses the reversibility of the USB 3.1 type C cables as this picture shows right here it used that to double the bandwidth so basically increase the data throughput so 3.2 gen by two supports 20 gigabits per second data streams but cannot be used with standard USB type-c input/output designs hmm so that was not a question available they yes but not to maintain that speed be sure yeah of course you're talking about sending all the glade announced all the data it's like taking a two-lane road and making all the data flow one one way so now you have twice as many lanes to send that data down but now you can't drive less yeah back way that from my understanding okay so just just just to clarify here that for anyone who's still confused about the terminology here I'm gonna quote from the article incident wait wait no I'm not cuz already said that so now USB 3.2 gen 1 is going to replace USB 3.0 and 3.1 gen 1 right so USB 3.0 was originally USB 3.0 right then they made a USB 3.1 gen2 have to be 3.1 gen2 came out right now they're making it USB 3.2 gen 1 that's stupid let me repeat that USB 3.0 is now USB 3.2 Gen 1 Y as well as why would they be the big one that's so stupid as well as USB 3.1 jinhwan are they that so that it that contains the the data the data speeds five gigabits per second which was the original USB 3.0 as well as 10 gigabits per second those will now be all grouped together as USB 3.2 Gen 1 also still known as SuperSpeed are they just trying to confuse everyone because that's what they're doing well because it's working beautifully I'm already confused you've explained it very clearly yeah what's - yes I'm mad that USB 3.2 Gen 2 will be replacing USB 3.1 gen2 no no it's like a nightmare it's like this is an I think I had this nightmare once it just woke up in a cold sweat okay this is the word this is the most fun story to go over and kind of make notes for it like there's no hope of actually explaining this to anyone so then USB 3.2 gen 2x2 like that should just that's 20 20 megabits per second right David's gigabits per second why don't like that should be called USB 3.1 gen2 by 2 you know any we like it even that's not the most graceful but what it makes logical sense but if 3.1 gen2 is 10 gigabits per second then 3.1 gen2 by 2 would be 20 gigabits per second that makes logical sense as long winded as those names are why I don't even know where to begin I there seems to be multiple alternative ways that they could have named these different connections and I pick the worst one possible and it seems like they chose something that's so obtuse and confusing as to to to really spoil this for anyone who's like somewhat excited about next generation stuff like I'm like if we're trying to look Silver Lining or positive or whatever about this like it's a new standard it doubles the the transfer speed that's or the bandwidth available at least like that's good and impressive but knowing it like getting a system that supports it and device that supports it in both ways so you can take advantage of all that might be pretty confusing if this naming holdeth like you're saying that the idea that popped into my head just like me having had a drink or two on the instant right now whatever just USB 3 USB 3 5 USB 3 10 USB 3 20 you just named after the speedy members at the end or the speed yeah that differentiates it right with different names but in the meeting tells you the speed that it supports because a lot of people you could say USB 3.1 gen2 what's the what's the bandwidth there a lot of people who break I don't know like I don't even know every time yeah sometimes I forget it I have to remind myself right anyway no yeah I mean none of this makes any sense this is this is stupid and annoying and I I guess we're just gonna have to deal with it but you know it's because the people what's what's the group of people who do all the USB shit the Universal Serial businessman Universal Serial businessman you know they're just a bunch of Engineers like making all this stuff up the USB implementers forum right those guys they're just a bunch of engineers which I'm sure they're very knowledgeable and thank you for all of your hard work engineers but I don't know anything about marketing or how to make something friendly to a consumer or presentable to a consumer because this is just garbage yeah and the shitty thing is that existing USB 3.0 devices are still going to be listed at as their old names they're not gonna update you know if you go on Amazon overnight the package with these new new terms so you're gonna have both you can't you can it's gonna be infinitely more confusing wait is that is that updated or not you can't go risk retcon the like descriptive terms stuff that's been on store shelves for the past year or two or something okay so there you go guys USB 3.1 gen2 it's gonna be gonna be awesome so bittersweet let's move on we have a new segment okay the new segment is called price check Oh like the price is right do I get a car if I win the idea here is that we're gonna reality check in real time live uber you guys at home how much shit cost whole this is something that you probably couldn't do at home by yourself and apparently it's sponsored by gamers Nexus S I'd still love that picture where that come from I guess please come in come in late here because I made this segment up like an hour ago and have done a sponsorship so thank you Steve where did we originally have that picture from I posit a gamer's makes this video adjust the rest of their face just the right screen capped it and tweeted it and you're like I'm gonna use this one day I don't know what it's gonna be more back and use it again after the fact one day that day will cover you go all right so we're doing we're not some price checks here and the things that I'm interested in price checking are one the AMD Radeon 7 because that's been out for a couple weeks now and we we had some information some promises some early stuff about like third-party versions of the cards coming out and AMD assuring us that there would be plenty of availability to meet demand yep memory is a second one and actually gamers Nexus posted to the news video within the past 12 or 24 hours or so talking specifically about an updated report from the people who report about memory crisis saying expecting like a 30% price drop mm-hmm in q1 that's over the course of q1 so we're gonna take a look at memory crisis and then of course we have the recently launched GTX 1660 TI which have you I don't want to spoil it for Kyle since he didn't get one but no I did not it's it's $280 graphics card my question is are they children needed are versions out there are they available for sale and and what are what are they I don't know is that we're gonna take a look there right and since I'm into it we're gonna be using PC part picker because yeah that's a great site for aggregating prices of things I've already done a search for the Radeon 7 right here and wow this actually got worse since I loaded it up there were two prices listed when I first pulled this up numbers laugh you'll note we got gigabyte MSI issue sapphire XFX as rock and power color here don't fool yourself though all of these are the same card they're the reference version of the card we think have different different manufacturers who sometimes they put a sticker on the fan and you know any least they put it in their box yeah they put it in their boxes note that it's there right we only have a single one listed here with an actual price which sometimes gives you hope if you peruse PC part picture that it might actually be for sale seems to be available and Newegg just yeah well it temporarily it sorry you block you block so effective and it's not not in stock I don't notify so despite these somewhat mediocre and poor reviews of this card when it first launched when it came to its performance and especially its power draw compared to some of the other options available from Nvidia it doesn't even seem to really matter much because you can't can't buy it it's also unclear as to how many units may be made yeah but some people have been started following this since the launch actually happened and like I talked to AMD and I I referenced this in a few like video that we did with gamers Nexus and a couple other ones because I heard from AMD like there weren't plans for third-party and board versions and there was gonna be a limited run of cards maybe that information came from someone who hadn't received the PR like feel that they were supposed to give to everyone and I was getting more like actual information versus the information they wanted to talk about but it does seem to be the case at this point that the Radeon seven was very much like a stopgap yeah I probably them using Radeon instinctive GPUs that are already out there and trying to sort of repurpose them right so it still make some money say that they were first to market with a seven nanometer card but it doesn't seem like the type of card that has any long-term viability and that would kind of be kidding I'm kind of curious in the next three to six months especially as other cards launch like how much the Radeon seven is even gonna play into like benchmark performance comparisons yeah cuz like does it matter to compare the performance of a Radeon seven for any out there when nobody can buy one and it seems like very few people actually have one it's already in a relevant card and it's only been out a couple weeks mainly because it was never really designed to be a relevant card in the first place apart from CES week that's when yeah that's when it was that's it was designed to attract people to AMD during CES because they weren't ready for their actual next-gen products so they just rehashed last minute so so there you go fresh check on the three on seven is there is no price I guess there are some being sold on Amazon possibly but they're all like to destroy a hundred dollars over Christ so those are those are people who got like one or two of them right Ridgeland when I launched and they just have them up there for the fear and I'm Sayla Creek there whether they can make it two or three hundred dollar profit on a single card next up is memory memory man max so here I just have a memory search going on we're looking for ddr4 dims which is the 288 pin dims and if you're sorting by price we're looking at a 2 byte 8 gig kits to buy 18 internets of ddr4 memory we're going for like 200 bucks five six months ago yeah maybe a little less than that for the lower speed ones but like this is here for 2400 you've been able to get one in for like 120 130 we've got a 2666 kit here for $85 that's pretty good like two years ago I did a ddr4 kit that was a good kid I think it was a 2666 or maybe a little bit faster for like 90 bucks or something like that so it does seem like we've kind of dipped back down to kind of the low points as far as that's good what was available what's the absolute cheapest kit that you could find like 70 to 75 bucks if you just need some ddr4 memory and that's the capacity you want you can get away with less than that if you go like a four gig kid or something my shirt 3000 speed memory currently starting at 90 bucks I am 92 $100 not bad let's look at 3200 speed memory all right you got paid another 15 bucks for your 3200 speech so looks like 3000 speed memory kind of maybe the maybe the bang for your buck right crosspoint there cuz there is right overclocking that's a deep that's a decent $15 jump to go up to 32 right beyond that I like for me about 3200 is still kind of gravy at this point right I'm gonna just select a bunch of these super extra go all the way up to 30 oh that's good report doesn't it's great it's gonna haven't let's live a little so look here and this is always something you should consider if you're shopping for memory looking at let's say you were looking for a 3200 speed kit because you were like a 32 and it's big kit that's what I want this is a 3600 speed kit that was a few bucks pennies more 115 dollars more dollars now granted this is a sniper exit kit we'd have to double check you know sniper X is good and stuff like that ladies dance to the cat let's see what really it's a little bit lower here but you know the speed would kind of make up for that to some degree so it's always good to reality check higher speed memory than what you're looking for just to see if you know sometimes not a huge your difference yeah might get a little bit more than that right it does seem to increase pretty quick after that though the 125 140 yeah what is the those are more enthusiasts kids 3733 Patriot Viper kit for one's a weird speed that is a weird I never see that in the BIOS under the XMP often Amazon its capital C 17 though that's pretty fast remember the the rising I'd be curious about the rise in its compatibility yeah and yes chats you can buy a lower speed kit and overclock it but your mileage may vary with that you know depending on the I season and often up in like like I I would often something like you know buy something in try to overclock it that I'm often trying to talk to people who might not be comfortable with over fucking so telling someone to go in and like hey select the XMP value turn that on most people could handle that in the band right telling them to go in you know increase your memory speed now go into your timings or I try to loosen up your timings and go through the testing process of making sure things are stable the other thing with memory is that with memory overclocking I've had situations where you can think you're stable and start using the computer for a week or so right and start to have really weird issues that happen every so often and then you want to turn that memory back down oh yeah yeah yeah that's a troubleshooting process to it it's not a straightforward one last price check we're gonna do here and that is again for the sixteen sixty TI hey you'll $280 okay I feel like Nvidia price.this so strategically it's like on the cusp of saying like alright it's a pretty good bang for your buck performance but also on the cusp of saying like man I've got a that could have made this 20 bucks cheaper and it would have been like wow this is awesome but instead you're like oh it's 280 bucks maybe you should just buy a 2060 right and whatever it's a good not amazing anyway these are ranging in price from $280 all the way up to 325 330 like don't buy it don't do that don't buy this 1660 ti4 $330 at that point you really should just be getting a 2016 yeah doing that but we do have it looks like six different versions for two $79.99 ACS gigabytes otech gigabyte has to because you know oh they have the Mini ITX in the standard OC emma site has the ventus and these do appear to be available in stock for not nevermind temporary license or they also about shouldn't be hold on okay at least the ones I was looking at earlier we're available DB G's yeah he gazes in stock which which one did you get buy right now for your video I got the MSI but I got the gaming X okay and I they didn't tell me what the price was until like like 12 hours before the line oh my so I really had to that later I thought it was gonna be maybe you know one of the standard 10 or $20 increases but it was 30 bucks more bright default price is 280 and the MS and MSI gaming X is 310 which is a pretty good jump yeah so I had to add like a some text to my video it's a kind of account for that to some degree sure there are some like dual fan versions down here at 280 bucks though I like so tax got a little dual fan it's a smaller one but it still has a slightly larger cooler I would maybe be record something like that but yeah anyway so okay staying fairly true to their promised radio Radeon 7p r zh' to be a vaporware product yeah the 16 60 TI at least does appear to be available for anyone who wants to actually buy it and it feels like that shouldn't be something you have to consider when you're talking about reviewing a graphics card but these days it often is it's crazy anything in the card itself of course yeah alright guys that's all I got for my half of the show buta thank you so much we're gonna close this down now switch over to Kyle's half link to that is in the video subscription we will also be following up with the brief after party at the end of the show where we'll be answering questions that might have come in and any comments question super chat area down there and stuff so thanks for all those also shouting out Johnson's and stuff so stay tuned for that thanks again for watching 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