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6800K or 5820K? - Probing Paul #9

2016-11-17
excellent what's up guys welcome back to probing Paul this is episode number 9 and this is my monthly Q&A video where I answer questions asked by all of you guys I usually do this towards the end of the month but this month I'm more towards middle of the month I don't know last month I actually did this from the Philippines so that was a little bit different than that when I usually do it but that's where I was on the map right there and then of course in months past I have started by showing you this screen going all the way back down the line to the original screen where we talked about the original name for probing Paul and where it all came about it was a great mystery but now it's been solved anyway let's dive right into the questions all these were taken from last month's episode so they were all asked in the comments section on YouTube and thanks to all you guys who posted these we'll start off with a question from James Wood hey Paul loved the vids I just bought a i7 5820k because I heard the overclocked ability of it is much better than the 6800 K and I got it for $350 new but it worries me that I might be missing out on nice features that 6800 K has did I make a mistake that's a good question and especially when it goes from one generation to the next on something like an Intel lousiest platform there's often very similar specs from CPU to CPU so I think you are okay because you got your 5820k for $350 that's a very good price for 5820k however I will say that if the prices were more comparable like right now it's something like 75 $200 difference from a 5820k to a 6800 k if it's more like a 30 $40 difference then I would say just go for the 6800 K what you're going to get by going with the newer CPU the 6800 K which is Broadwell instead of haswell-e mainly as 128 gig memory support the 5820k only supports 64 gigs 6800 K supports up 228 other than that instructions per clock level 2 6800 K is a little bit faster it also ships with a slightly higher clock speed I think it's 3.8 gigahertz which is 3.6 gigahertz however if you're overclocking the 5820k a lot of the reports and it's tough to say broadly generally speaking but from what I have gathered online by reading a few aggregate websites that take lots of results from lots of different people 5820k does seem to overclock maybe just a little bit more but it might be because it's been out longer which is this 1600 K which just fewer people have or fewer people have pushed more aggressively all that said if you can overclock your 5820k better or to a higher frequency than 6800 K it might outperform it with some things so I think you're fine as is but if you guys are looking at this and thinking like what should I buy right now again I'd say 30 to 40 bucks if the if it's that much more expensive just go ahead and get to 6800 K if you're looking at 70 80 100 dollars difference then 5820k will still do just fine for you and a good question so thank you for asking next question is from Vishnu Prasad what do you think about those graphics card boxes used to convert laptops into gaming machines are they viable and I believe what you're talking about is something like this right here which is a razor core they're certainly viable and especially viable if you're a particular type of person I would say that particular type of person would be someone who likes to have just one computer because I will say there is definitely some niceness about only having a single computer which is off in a laptop that you can take with you wherever you go so you're always just working on the same machine and you have sort of the same nago whether you're at home the razor core in my opinion is very expensive it's $500 just for the enclosure by itself not including the graphics card you put in there 500 bucks is pretty much the cost of a low-end laptop or like a low low to mid-range gaming machine so it's really the investment there that that holds me back from saying yes go for it apart from the cost it is very nice to just have your laptop take it plug in and suddenly have much better graphics support and you can even have that razor core or whatever other external device that's not the only one that's out there connect it up to you know a monitor or something so you don't worry about plugging in cables and that so it is convenience it is nice and it does benefit some people who really like to have that single machine experience for me I probably would go for it because I like having other systems for gaming that I use at home but all-in-all yeah it depends on your preference but I would say they seem very pricey right now which which is sad but anyway next question from all bub I'm building my first PC and I think know everything my question is how much anti-static prep do I need to build do I need to build it's if I get a mod mat on a wrist strap it's another 50 bucks is that required and thank you for thanking me Bob and I'm glad that I've provided some inspiration for you all right your first mistake here is thinking that you know everything about computers I certainly do not and neither does anyone else maybe there's maybe Wendell Wendell might know everything but back to your actual question I would say no don't bother and investing in a mod mat and a wrist strap right now I rarely use anti-static techniques when I'm doing stuff like picking up a motherboard and handling and stuff like that that said I would recommend doing more anti-static prevention if you live somewhere that's very dry and very dusty are this very windy you know if you live in I don't know Arizona or some places in California if you live in the desert and you find that you constantly get static shocks from like a door knob or something like that then maybe consider doing something a little bit more I mean and you don't need the mod mat I mean get a get a wrist strap those are very inexpensive usually five bucks maybe ten bucks and they're they're pretty easy to come by so that's probably the best preventative measure you need beyond that if you don't invest anything just get your case have your case out somewhere and touch the case and that will equalize the static build-up the static electricity build-up between you in the case it will not necessarily ground you but it'll neutralize it enough to not damage any components that you happen to pick up with an electric discharge I have never to my knowledge damaged or caused a piece of computer hardware to not work anymore by a static discharge or static shock so yeah that's that's why I can I'm concerned about it less that doesn't mean you should ignore it be aware of it but it's usually not a huge deal all right since my last episode was from the Philippines I have a couple questions that were specifically about the Philippines to answer really quickly these are kind of connected Jason Louie and Adrian kabbadi kabbadi sorry if I'm missing pronouncing your last names Jason asks why are you in the Philippines do you have relatives there yes my wife's family lives in the Philippines we were there for her grandmother's her Lola's birthday and she turned 97 years old yeah that's impressive Adrienne asked is your wife Filipina and and I think I just answered that yes yes she is a couple more here Gabriel Pasquale asks do you have any comments on the slow Internet of our country Stewart says hi thank you hi Stuart gee bdx was commenting that I am on an island and he Gabriel just wants to know what I consider fast and if the internet speeds were fast there we had internet set up at my wife's family's house specifically for us to be there because my wife works on the Internet just like I do and so we needed to have connection we had about five Meg's down and about 1 Meg up which was perfectly adequate for us so it wasn't bad that wasn't bad at all next question from mark Himmler I already have an msi gtx 1060 gaming X with 6 gigs of ram a serenade for me to upgrade to a 1070 games are having higher video demands I'm afraid my 1016 won't be able to handle it in a year or so also as an RX 480 crossfire then better than a single 1070 all right so that that second question first yes and our X 480 crossfire is better than a single 1070 in situations where you can take advantage of crossfire and that's not Universal across the board so I typically would recommend a faster single card rather than a crossfire configuration out of the gate but let me let me answer your question more in general here because basically what you're saying is I have this graphics card right now I'm worried about in the future at not being able to keep up with the games let's say I live in the now for right now what are you using to game on your monitor in particular if you're gaming at 1080 you're 1066 gig is totally fine for that and whatever games you're playing right now run some sort of monitoring utility whether it's fraps or something like MSI Afterburner or EVGA precision X or something like that and just keep an eye on your frame rates if you have a 60 Hertz 1080 monitor and your graphics card is able to push 60 to 100 frames per second in most games that you play and with you know even if you have to turn some settings just slightly down and that kind of thing and you're happy with it then be happy with it for now and wait until next year when you actually get the next game and you actually start to see like oh crap I'm only doing 40 frames per sec now per second 40 fps now in this new game and I wasn't getting something like that before and then consider upgrading because those new games that you're worried about aren't out yet the new graphics cards and other new computer hardware that's going to be out at that time as well is not out yet and you'll probably be able to get a better deal on those or a better deal on the stuff that's out right now at that time in the future there's a few wait things are always going to get less expensive and new hardware is always going to come out and you'll have more and better options in the future thank you for your question mark Devon Johnson asks if you had to choose whose PC would you smash with a hammer Kyle's hotline are my arctic panther is it that's a very tough question Devon I'll do a follow-up question that's been asked to me but I don't have an actual screen shot up here which is where is our Kick Panther because that's not our kick fanta in the background any any more arctic Panthers in the computer room along with hotbox my wife's computer and I do have a project coming up probably next week I'm going to be like kind of redoing that room and reconfiguring the desks and and maybe even making it so I can live stream from in there that would be kind of cool so yeah you'll be seeing it some more but I moved it in there because I actually use it for editing a lot more now than when it was out here and I was mainly just using it for gaming back to your main question though whose PC would I smash with a hammer if I had to choose I probably take a really like pragmatic approach to it and so be it would be subjective to is the smash main completely destroy everything or just smash mean like get a couple good shots of video of like hitting it with the hammer and then like okay it's all good because for me it comes down to like investment of time and the value and performance of the hardware that's inside so for me investment of time is that power supply I have never spent more time on a single piece of computer hardware than I did sleeving that power supply so I don't want that to go anywhere so if I have to destroy everything I probably say I'll smash Kyle's hot line PC because I wouldn't have to kill my power supply which I just want to keep forever simply because I invested so much time in it however if I can just like beat it up a little bit and then like maybe salvage some parts and maybe save the power supply then I'd say arctic panther simply because it's got two 980 s in it whereas the hot line has two 980 TI s and it's just a more powerful system yeah anyway so there's there's my pragmatic answer for you for that one click one click one from Danson Dhoni what are your thoughts on quantum computing and how do you think it will affect gaming and hardware enthusiasts out there dan I am still trying to wrap my mind around quantum computing I have a vague concept of how it works and probabilities and superpositions and all that kind of stuff I think the potential for it is incredible it's like the next step for humankind type thing there's also a lot of questions about it as far as appropriateness when it we take it and do machine learning with it and that kind of thing you know the singularity and computers becoming self-aware I mean all this science fiction sort of stuff starts to pop out of the woodwork I don't think it will affect gaming and hardware enthusiasts for some time I mean I would say five to ten years but that's just a number I'm pretty much pulling out of my backside I'd like to understand it better because it's definitely messes with your mind just trying to figure it out but um yeah I mean it's definitely something to keep an eye on but I don't think we're going to see any quantum computers available from Intel in the next five years or anything like that Alexander Radetzky says what's the best processor you can throw on a mini ITX board ideally with a maximum number of cores well the answer is the motherboard which is the asrock mini ITX x99 board which is right here ixnay 9x 99e ITX AC asrock is the only motherboard manufacturer that has gone so far as to put an x 99 chipset and an LGA 2011 - v3 sockets on a mini ITX board it does come with its limitations though such as only to dim slots for ddr4 memory it comes with this sort of custom unique whatever designed proprietary cooler and there in order to actually fit something this big and a mini ITX form factor and I mean it's it's got its limitations so the answer is a 69 50 X I don't know if this has Z on support there might be a really high core count Xeon you could drop into this or something like that but if you're looking at the consumer side 6950 x10 core 220 thread beast of a processor but I really feel like you would be um hamstringing it by dropping it into this board because not only are you limited to two DIMM slots so you can't take advantage of like 128 gigs of memory support or anything like that you've only got a single PCI Express PCI Express expansion slot so your 40 PCIe lanes on that processor are largely going to go on use because the most you're going to use out of that is like 16 by 16 of your PCIe lanes and then you know you've got some other stuff connected and that it's going to use up a bit more but you can't expand and add more and take advantage of it so 6 + 50 X is the answer I don't think that's practical the best practical in my opinion CPU to drop into a mini ITX PC is the one that I did in my video my monthly builds video for this month where I tried to build the fastest mini ITX gaming PC possible which would be a 6700 K for right now for core 8 thread or when kb light comes out supposed to be beginning of next year then probably 7700 k assuming that they continue the same naming scheme for their processors ok that's all for this video guys I hope you've enjoyed it I hope Hiro's snoring in the background hasn't distracted you all very much I'll be back very soon with more videos hit the thumbs up button if you enjoyed this and of course leave me comments in the comment section for next month's probing Paul thanks again for watching and I'll see you next time
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