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based on seven an ohmmeter manufacturing process which is also pretty exciting potentially beating Intel to the die shrink the the single-digit die shrink well I guess until what in 10 nanometre but anyway yeah but we now have even more data on this this was sourced from reddit the articles from Tom's Hardware linked in the description if you guys want to check it out but this is a sigh soft database entry from the site soft official live rank or database it appears to be a quad-core risin 3000 series processor that was benchmarked and had data submitted because the benchmark left the internet connection plugged in the test was with MSI's Meg X 570 creation motherboard which if MSI is thinking what the current naming scheme should be their top of the line X 570 board which is supposed to be the new chipset that launches along with the rise in 3000 series this is in what is this German yeah it's barren there additionally ashliegash windy keep leash tomb so I forgive it that's in the wind eek eeeek there's some scores in there I'll come back to the scores themselves a geek because I'm gonna say other things first the product identifier is 2d s 104 bbm for GH to underscore 38 to / 34 underscore n of course my first guess everyone immediately is like well that's an engineering sample from AMD obviously there's actually a better way to determine that as detail than the Tom's Hardware article but we're just we're just taking a shortcut it's as probably an engineering example which makes sense at this point in time it is a four core and a thread processor it has a three point four gigahertz base clock and a 3.8 gigahertz boost clock as well as four Meg's of l2 cache and 16 Meg's of l3 cache also a 65 watt TDP which would also fall in line with the TDP s that current rise in the second gen quad cores are falling within even some 6 cores depending on the clock speeds as mentioned this was derived from reddit or originally posted on reddit there is a reddit discussion going on here reddit that's reddit post there's a reddit post anyway I was gathering this information rather hastily so I leaned on the commenters which ready comments are there often really really helpful but anyway Loon craz posted this bit of extra data about it again links are in the description if you guys want to check it out but long story short we're looking at about 11% instructions per clock improvement if you were to compare a four core and eight thread current gen rise and processor I believe he used 2200 G sorry 2400 G yeah yeah if you compare current gen 2000 series processor to that score with a fork or a thread part running it at the same frequency 11 percent improvement which which is which is good which also you know seems to fall in line with expectations yeah you know it's not Gayle scale that up scale this is good it's not great but that's good but it's good but scale that up to you know your six core and your eight core and maybe your 12 core and 16 core parts and that's a massive improvement especially for the higher core counts if they can maintain that's IPC performance with the higher core counts and frequencies sure also bear in mind we're talking about a 3.8 gigahertz boost so we could scale up the frequency potentially a bit beyond that as well speculation is that the demos that AMD has been sharing thus far like what they showed us see yes we're running at 4 gigahertz but we might get beyond that since 2nd gen rise and already is able to hit 4.2 to 4.3 year it's I'm one or two cores depending on your your the quality of your chip and everything Verizon 3000 series processors are expected mid-year according to AMD so most of us are expecting that means a Computex at least announcements we're not sure if it's launching right then or may actually launch a month later or so should have PCI Express Gen 4 support this current generation is codenamed matisse and it will feature the news and 2 microarchitecture 7 nanometre process and it's going to be produced by TSMC was there an MSI Meg creation board for X 470 yeah well no I know there's a that's the that's the godlike and I'm looking at it right that was previously z3 name like creation was $2.99 I just did it billed as X 299 okay but I think this is the first time that a creation boards been introduced to like the mainstream offerings mainstream cpu offerings so its previously high-end desktop only so that's a change that's weird that's a change that might be MSI trying to take the branding that they've done for the creation level skew board that they've done with X 299 and say now that X 299 high-end desktop level board that we make for that yeah we've now made one for X 570 right because you can get an 16 core processor with 32 threads it definitely seems more hitches which is kind of like blurring the line of a high-end desktop computer yeah very very very much so so great that would that would make some sense so cool that's cool all right moving on that article by the way was from I already said sometime next articles from an AM Tech this one's by Ian and he got to go and visit Intel at their data centric innovation day hooray heyo the ID this is all enterprise stuff so it's above most of our heads to be perfectly honest but the thing I like about enterprise stuff is just the raw performance that's often discussed there and you'll often see will never use stuff they do an enterprise space that's you know trickles down to some extent to the lower end so first off we have the next generation the the new second generation the Xeon scalable processor which is codenamed cascade Lake this is a shot of the processor itself it's very large I forgive it out what LGA that version that has been LG 8lg big many many pins LGA thousands of pins there's a little side-by-side chart here looking at first gen skylake sp2 second gen cascade Lake now pointing and need to point out here that this is not new CPU architecture it's still 40 nanometers skylake based so same cpu architecture is existing Xeon but they've done a lot of cool upgrades like Hardware mitigations against Specter and melt meltdown that in the enterprise space is a huge deal like very very substantial huge deal because anyone who's working in a data center are working for a large company that are that might be a target for something like that you want do you want security against against that type of things so that's big that's good we also have obtained DC persistent memory support double the memory support and up to 25% extra cores you'll notice here on sky like SP we had the 80-100 series that went up to 28 cores now we have the 9200 series going up to 56 cores and a hundred and twelve threads on a single CPU package that's not a single die mind you the the 9200 platinum by the way look at this layout here this is this is very this is very similar to like a lot of the layouts we see for the like stripper stuff yeah that's because we have we have a dual dies 228 core bits of silicon on a single package giving you that 56 412 112 thread single CPU so very impressive but you're talking about a 2p setup on a single package so we have a 400 watt TDP these are gonna need to these are gonna require there's picture of en hey these are gonna require he looks happy hey yeah oh yeah I'd be happy to picture there Patrick 128 gig update module right that's actually pretty cool too yeah 400 watt TDP though so we're are they talking very low frequencies overall or extensive cooling needed first for something like that right uh still impressive that they're packing that much performance onto a single chip it will be BGA only it will sell directly to OEMs so no you can't buy one and build a gaming PC with it no DIY yeah so that means they'll be soldered directly to proprietary motherboards and stuff like that but um yes other than that's there's the octane stuff I'm not gonna dive into that because obtained can be a little bit confusing there's there's kind of a couple different ways it can be really implemented but octane and the enterprise space is also pretty exciting because you're looking at sort of a third level of storage that's sort of bridges the gap between system memory and long-term storage so that's cool what else Intel agile X a new breed of FPGA this is this is also a little above my head but something I read and I go think that gooo that's cool ten nanometer sample samples of Intel agile X will be available in q3 I'm just going to read a quote from the article here so I don't screw anything up with agile X Intel aims to offer that mix of acceleration and configuration not only with the core array of gates but also the by virtue of additional chip let extensions enable tour Intel's embedded multi die interconnect bridge-e MIB technology these triplets can be custom third-party IP PCI Express 5.0 HBM 112 G transceivers or even Intel's new compute Express link cache coherent architecture until is promoting up to 40 teraflops of DSP performance and it's promoting its use in mixed precision machine learning with hardened support for B float16 and integer 2 to integer each compute performance computing I guess anyway read the article by Ian he is a doctor after all he knows what he's talking about doctor linked in the description there's some Z&D stuff as well what does agile X sound like to you agile X it sounds like a medicinal cream or something it's a it's FPGA we just feel field programmable gate array gosh no I just mean look up the name agile X it just sounds like oh like the competitor to KY jelly it does you're right it sounds good like things like a product that Shaq would advertise agile eggs yeah right I never leave home without it I used to I used to get paying after I would do sports and now I use agile Dick's it seems like the product you'd advertise followed by a list of symptoms like just yeah a list of endless symptoms sometimes may include drowsiness suicide hey the pharmaceuticals that's everyone present your idea isn't you all right mm-hmm QuakeCon 2019 Eric will hear from PC Gamer about quakecon very popular yeah well this one is coming later this summer July 25th 28th in Dallas Texas is QuakeCon 2019 and although quite con you would think would be very quake oriented of course lots of its software stuff is celebrated there and this year is the year of doom big room is celebrating its 25th anniversary damn god I'm old quarter century yeah I know damn it's it's loosely the 25th anniversary cuz doom actually released in December 1993 which is 26 years ago but like it launched didn't round at the end of 1993 yeah so all of 1994 yeah when you were 2 years old or I was 6 in 94 doesn't mature Wow yeah I was 6 how old were you I wasn't 10 I was 14 14 god you guys know that's fun I'm an old person it's okay I've accepted it you've learned a little bit like that's the third right a July 13 14 and 94 but doom 13 14 years old like you guys can imagine like I played this game a lot it was good mm-hmm it had everything except for like pointing the cursor up and down you know all you had to do is left right use your master was no up and down yeah there was no up and down like if the monster is up here you point here and then it automatically will do the vertical frame ashamed I never played Oh ye doom yeah could you crouch I don't like Schumann the nuts or should get it remember the passwords iddqd and other passwords the the cheats IBD cue gun mode idk FA yeah I DSP is Bo PD obvious that's the no clipping anyway no clipping what does that mean you can go through walls yeah I like I'm very very useful it'll do that and guess anymore it's all gone downhill anyway very very much much nostalgia yeah yeah my friends older brother would used to like get us and then he'd like kick our asses because we were very new at it and he wanted to just kick their asses in it anyway to do a pleasure in destroying good times and they will be celebrating in a quick con 2019 this is fun it will according to bethesda QuakeCon 2019 will include all new doom inspired activities events exclusives developed for panels hands-on demos new information about doom eternal and a few surprises we aren't quite ready to talk about very mysterious futures will be a big BYOC area as usual hands on with bethesda games article speculates maybe some Wolfenstein Youngblood which is the next entry in that series case mod swag other stuff again July 25th to 28th in Dallas Texas open yet they wouldn't be talking about about it like this unless registration was already open registration for BYOC or the new QuakeCon done quick pass with priority entry to all main stage events and early access to the exhibit hall on Saturday will open at 10 a.m. Eastern Time on April 11th ok so sorry so tickets go on sale date for the for the the fancy tickets QuakeCon done quick 10 a.m. Eastern Time April 11th quick general general admission entry is free so if what quick-quick con quick con is that what it Lake condo I'm making a joke right gonna shorten that to quick confident maybe if they wanted it to be fast it's brilliant Kyle sorry I hope some quick con quick cut it's already turning that rain your brain can take that and use it yeah general admission is free so if you're if you're in the Dallas area I'm sorry no I'm just kidding I apologize ice-cold beer for any Dallas residents out there I visited Dallas at the worst possible time to visit Dallas I was with you it was insanely hot it was terrible so I didn't have a good time I'm sorry other than that I'm sure Dallas is great yeah that's all okay one last little story here for News this is only vaguely tech related but do you like Skrillex I used to listen to Skrillex years ago I know now I do not well maybe you should again if you go camping or something because Skrillex could protect against mosquito bites Kyle is that because mosquito bites are allergic too bad this is science according to a recent scientific study you can avoid mosquito bites by listening to electronic music specifically dubstep dubstep and specifically critics by Skrillex according to recent results published in the journal ACTA tropica adults of the species aid is a gyp T aegypti which is known as the yellow fever mosquito were subjected to electronic music to see whether it could work as a repellent scary monsters and nice sprites which is a track by Skrillex familiar with it was chosen because of its mix of very high and very low frequencies the results were that female adult mosquitoes were entertained by the track and impact hosts later and less often than those in a dubstep free environment Wow so they're just like getting high off of Skrillex loose music it's a natural high I mean I mean yeah high on life high on Skrillex so you don't need to be like this dude with all this nasty fumigation yeah I think it a Bluetooth speaker he'd be sets is apparently yeah you know down to the speaker pump some Skrillex yeah look it's it's April now a lot of you may be looking forward to making some plans for the summer what's what can kill you know a nice enjoyable evening by the lake or what not then like a swarm of mosquitoes yeah you know just play some Skrillex and you know maybe you could sync it up with like noise cancelling headphones so you didn't have to actually have to hear it as well if you didn't enjoy the Skrillex I guess there'll be that could that could be an option night otherwise your skin would be safe but your ears would be bleeding now there's a downsell downside to this and i don't know if this bleeds over to human let me guess you have to listen to Skrillex No well that's already been kind of recovering but I don't want to shit talks guys I I haven't heard anything new from Skrillex in like five years but when he was hot and he was like the ninja of music at the time my friends and I listened to him all the time you know the dubstep me we just played beer pong - Skrillex and stuff which also explains why we never got bit by mosquitoes see you guys knew this way back then could have saved them a lot of research time and stuff like that but we could have been this article but getting back to the downside potential downside here and this is only if seems to have affected the mosquitoes but I'm not sure how this might affect humans as well mosquitoes exposed to the song had sex far less often than mosquitoes without the music but so I need someone to double like double down on this experiment is this real it's an article from a second opinion the BBC this is this a visit reputable oh it just sounds so ridiculous accent it sounds like an article hey listen to somebody speak with an English accent not because that person obviously knows what they're talking about oh my god this is cockney then you'd be like oh that's that's oh oh it's Brad Pitt and he's about to get in a fight with a pikey that's PI key being completely different things it's almost our English viewers are probably very good no no cockney is just so it's like so that's so congenial like I like this person that's those are your two options when hearing safe an English accent received me as an American person sure so yeah Skrillex keeps the mosquitoes away maybe less sex that's the TLDR for that one wait so Skrillex not only prevents you from getting bit but it also prevents mosquitoes from multiplying yeah I guess yeah look at that way can we do it sorry I gonna start selling Skrillex in the can you just spray Skrillex on your body it's there just like a Bluetooth speaker with Skrillex music pre-loaded onto it you just push it in the place hang it from your thing the ultimate miss Brooke Holland I remember a week cuz we I would always go on the dough with a deep 100 stuff you just have to maximum oh yeah chemical concoction right to prevent the mosquitoes yeah deep 100 you know I don't know if it's toxic or what everybody keeps the mosquitoes away that's the important thing no then you have lots of people who do like Tran these other things like the little little thing that supposedly emitted some frequency or something kept it yeah so it's all garbage Skrillex no it sounds nothing like a Skrillex Skrillex solid that's all in science right thing okay movin up time for some sword fight or fight it's been a while since we had a good sword fight in here so we have a couple questions here today we're gonna go for okay in case you guys are familiar certified long long-running segment here on an awesome hardware we bring up a controversial subject controversial topic Kyle and I will take opposing sides to that subject we will argue our sides we also have a straw poll which we invite you guys to participate in feel free to just you know vote with your heart in the straw poll or you know wait to hear our arguments and then let that sway your opinion we are influential it we are your influences apparently but it's up to you but this one actually has a bit of backstory here and that's a borderlands 3 Caillou play borderlands right I played Borderlands 2 some borderline I - I beat Borderlands 2 with some friends has fun just a very entertaining game absolutely and a game money that a sequel launching for I'd be like I would play that because I remember enjoying write the last version of it right bit of news here potentially Borderlands 3 will be annex an epic store exclusive Oh screw it I'm never gonna play it again well ever again might be deal-breaker epic stories I have to launch a different app to play the game rather than rather than steam I'll forego 50 hours of joyous glorious gameplay now of course is this article is that stupid app hmm obviously you save time time save that's very important I'm just kidding that's what my video earlier today was all about I saw it thank you nothing's confirmed 100% at this point but it really does look like it's gonna be epic store exclusive first off Randy Pitchford who's what does he do he's dude he's dude he's the dude he's a box a gearbox a developer he made some comments but let's talk about where this originally came from the borderlands Twitter account tweeted and included a video they deleted the tweet pretty quickly it seemed like maybe it was a schedule one that some or something that fired off at the wrong time specifically though said coming September 13th so that's the first part of this I guess if you are interested in Borderlands 3 and the potential launch date of it does seem like we're looking at a September 13 launch because this was from the official account quickly deleted but usually that means like oops right I can't see them I don't know maybe they're trying to throw shade you never know comforters can do something like that too but right seems somewhat reasonable September 13th Janeway off yeah it's a while off but then looking more closely at the video attached we can see this screen cap right here which which is gone now which is very useful come on Mario 64 and then you see if I can open this another window so someone is alright so see you down here in the lower left corner right this is the developer do you can distribute your publisher this is the store Epic Games you might notice there's no mention of a steam steam or other platforms there ah so yeah and and just just that be just this being what seems to be a pretty official trailer right and there being no other mention of any other store on there right that's kind of that's kind of well you know that's what happens I guess that's what happens when your platform lands the biggest and most popular game in the world which is fortnight well I think these developers just won't like yeah sure I'll sign the deal exclusive all this bullshit yep there's certain platforms who have pain who have gained a lot of users on the platform due to the success of a single franchise right like a like a fortnight or a DNA fix any pics legends yeah or whatever so any developer that owns that platform or just their publisher whatever who owns that platform they're gonna look for longevity they want other tables to come on there so I have any exclusive is a great way to force people to do that because it's the only way they can play that game and got the funds to make it happen following up to that Randy Pitchford who again is the CEO I guess I don't know if that's his official title the boss of gearbox his response take-two has exclusive publishing rights for Borderlands 3 and makes all decisions regarding price points territories distribution and platform partnerships please direct all inquiry inquiries regarding any of these topics to 2k we are just the talents as a customer I'm happy to shop in different stores already do I've bought games from Xbox Playstation switch theme origin GOG humble up you play epic another source to me exclusives are fine when they come with advantages and when they're short say six months ah that's two this conversation on Twitter where is the third and for what it's worth to Kay's decisions aside myself and the team at gearbox have a very keen interest in cross-platform play we believe multi-platform support is a prerequisite and epics leadership with cross-platform support is helpful to our interests here so he made some reassuring he made several points there none of the points were saying this is not epic epic exclusive so that right he L somebody else I made some points and that's what we're gonna argue about right yeah is this okay so guys will post us in and chat and everything in the straw poll please please vote is is it okay for Borderlands three to be epic exclusive what and and we get we got two options we got your EA and your nay mm-hmm got a third option there too for those who are interested I'm posting this wait shad stuffy there's a tough it is tough so you you you have to choose okay one side or the other can okay okay I'm gonna say yes it's okay it's okay it's okay okay I've got Steam for some games I've got you play for no games got origin for a couple and fuck it let's do a pic for a couple games games are all that matter the platform matters to a degree but I will I will I will sacrifice having to open up a shitty platform or even a platform from a company who I don't 100% agree with if the game is good okay at the end of the day it's about the game and also I have like five apps for fucking RGB so why can't I have more than one or two apps for a goddamn game I don't I don't see it I don't I'll live with it I'll live it I'll live another day I'll be fine I'll move on with my life die heavy person I'll be fine yeah corporate response maybe not quite as super corporate maybe not quite as sugar-coated as response but that's the corporate response if they were to not give a fucking juice were just telling ya alright so I obviously got I obviously will take the position of no the epic store is lacking many of the futures of other platforms particularly steam having a choice and where to buy is always better as as Randy already mentioned Randy Randy Pitchford mmm-hmm he purchases from many different platforms and when it comes to like like capitalism like capitalism for what it's worth has its pros and it's cons right but if you want to look at that at the fundamental thing the capitalism is supposed to get right it's supposed to provide choice for the consumer and that choice is supposed to create competition between the various choices and the virtue of that competition between the various locations where you might purchase a product or buy a game means that all those different sources or platforms continually try to one-up each other to improve themselves and that benefits the consumer because you have a bunch choices and those choices continually try to differentiate themselves by making themselves better now I'm gonna cheat here because I have no no qualms doing so chan scrolling down some of the responses this is a this is kind of a slightly biased image here but I only bring it up because it's pointing out many of the benefits of the steam platform in particular cloud saves families sharing Linux support mod hosting and home streaming achievements user reviews big picture mode leaderboard Universal controller support community guides a linear and limited refunds VRS support custom profiles external cue sales cloud screenshots friend activity Island activity I haven't doubled much in the epic store when it comes to that so yeah and like I said I'm cheating a little bit and this is just like a picture that somebody put together online I'm mainly bringing it up to point out that there's a lot of stuff that the epic store does not currently have steam benefits in many ways from being a platform that has existed for a very long time and has evolved over time again kind of in the same way I talked about earlier to provide more services to customers so by making this an epic store exclusive you might say like well it doesn't matter it means you're buying it from point A instead of point B you're missing out potentially on a bunch of extra cool stuff that could be available alongside the game with steam that you no longer have access to because it's the epic store but hey at least you can you know chat with your Fortnight friends suppose right yeah Alice that's great let's just let's team have all the games all the time so that inevitably when one day Gabe Newell dies and it's taken over by some fucking tyrannical leader and all we have and there's no obvious great alternative and that is completely fucked that is the best and a very good answer to that because I and and I'm going outside of the this Q&A here so as but steam being a monolithic single source for all games and everything it's also a bad thing in time so I flipped it all backwards there but you know it's it's good to try to stay take a step back and look at things from different perspectives that indeed this is about let's see what the results are we have no all right we have a pretty pretty strong showing for yes though an ident that is going back to that last thing we're saying like we we we want some competition and I think that's the confusing thing there's also sixty sixteen percent of people who regularly pee their pants rather than showering it's a that's probably concerning its I mean hygiene I think is important you guys saw at the I think you should this warrants further research consider that as a long-term approach may be occasionally mix it up so I'm saying but anyway 34% of people roughly a third think that it's it's a good thing to some extent so I that it's it's this is like the reason I brought it up today was like intramural I a hard I don't have a single direct answer to this myself yeah it is kind of frustrating to be forced to use Depok store to get Borderlands three I would like to see more choice in the game platforms I get kind of irritated when suddenly I have to install four or five different platforms on new PC to access the different gifts suddenly it becomes too sure so I don't know I don't know where the sort of balance point is in between there between having a few like three there should be three but don't you also like having different brands of products in your house like different appliances like having an appliance from Samsung that works really great as a fridge but Alliance from whoever that works really great as a stove but I guess isn't it kind of the same thing I guess in my house I don't have the thing with like like applications that automatically start when I boot up my house and that run in the background using up my houses background resources you can't disable that I mean can't you just you can't disable that not to start up on Windows but with me it's more of a frustration because I build lots of different computers to test stuff and I know that's a more unique problem but it's irritating to have to go and do all those different installations of the different platforms on the different computers and do that every time if I were if I don't want in the Auto Start so so yeah three I think there should be three that's that's my three I want three I want to steam and two other good one two others that are good sure we'll keep pouring that around it may be that all kind of battle it out on on a roughly level landscape that's that's like enough diversity to keep each other honest yeah without being like oh shit I gotta install five different six different clients in a weird way are you almost kind of excited because all of these new platforms emerging on PC means growth for the PC platform yes in a sense you're like whoa like there's a lot of big more money being interested in PC yes there's more competition in PC hey we're have more their sites are on PC more than ever I've had a bunch of people respond to my how to build series and say like hey I built this system I've had a lot of father-son kind of combos yeah sweet which is awesome I love getting that yeah and it's like hey here's my son computer just set up he's loading up and it's him with fortnight loading and I'm like I see I understand that but that makes sense yeah you know if they played on a console or whatever or if they're all their friends play or something you know that's a that's a that's a call the gateway drug yeah point being this remains an open subject and I think will come probably come back to in the future there as well here's the next question we're gonna try to go through this one a little bit more quick but this one's a age-old question when it comes to computers and we're just talking in cell versus AMD so we're talking CPU side here okay in case you want to be more specific Intel versus AMD people got to make this choice all the time on a daily basis especially if you're building for the first time or if you're building for the first time in a while what do we think right now we we have a wide variety of choices from both manufacturers and you know there's pros and cons I think on either side so this is this is yet again well I'm trying not to lean it one way or the other so thank you for posting the links in chat by the way seller moderator we love him thank you Matt so yeah I would first last time so you went first last time right I you at first last time and I feel like you picked the more controversial choice I'm you're the same thing I'm gonna go Intel okay Intel you can't beat the fastest now here's my reasoning first off our content deals primarily with building your own computer I think if you're gonna build your own computer right now it's there's a good chance you're building your own computer to play video games because there's lots of choices for accessing the internet and browsing the web and getting stuff done without necessarily building a full on desktop building that to play games is gonna be where it's at when it comes to playing games if you want to get the most out of the graphics card that you choose in all circumstances particularly in lower resolution circumstances you're gonna want Intel that has the best best single core performance best single core performance which in the vast majority of scenarios equals the best performance out of your graphics card in situations where everything else is equal and you have an Intel processor and an AMD processor the we'll be more likelihood that you will get less performance out of the graphics card with the AMD processor than you would with the Intel and yes it costs a little bit more sure fewer bucks - more button but you know who wants to have the fastest processor out there if everyone can also afford it now you know you need some barriers to entry you need you need you need you need a bit of a gated community for the true enthusiasts out there who let's face it just a little bit better than everyone else because of the processing performance of their their computer that's that that's what it boils down to I I appreciate the satiric satirical response so that no matter what the results are you can't lose so I obviously have to say AMD because I mean it blows Intel out of the water when it comes to as mentioned in the straw poll priced performance right and as Paul said you do you do make the most of your GPU when you go Intel right it allows it to breathe a bit more than with an AMD counterpart but like all like Paul also mentioned that's particularly more effective at lower resolutions so let's say 1080p being the most common resolution that people are gaming at are you really gonna spend 5 X 3 X 2 X even 2 X amount more on a CPU to get more frames per second at 1080p when you could just when you could easily just save a bunch of money put it more towards your GPU right the money that you would save on a rise in CPU versus buying an equivalent Intel CPU at the moment oh my god you could put that towards your GPU and since games are more or less GPU dependent these days as they have been for quite some time that would benefit you a lot more in the long run if your primary task is gaming if we were arguing this on maybe say in video editing plat plane then I think things would be different but I don't think I need to really argue this any further because I think I win do you do you and you all know you all know I'm right you all know I'm right such confidence and if I lose in the straw poll it's because you're all trolling hey here we go telling you AMD woohoo and who even in the hole even a bigger differential there from the last animation Apple right so wow so Intel it's a lesson lesson to be learned here any Intel rips what to hear just move the camera maybe slightly that's fine 16 people any because any Intel reps watching right now just just lower your prices slightly just just make it you don't have to you don't have to match AMD yeah just you know they're faster they don't need to be the same print you could be more expensive just drop it a bit like it's just we're not asking for him here so it's so weird when you can get a 6 core 6 thread MD processor which you can overclock to be within a percentage point of any six core 6 thread AMD process Explorer 12 thread I'm sorry and processor right and the nearest Intel 6 core 12 thread processor to compare it to knitly morgs is the 8700 k if you want to go unlocked yeah so you can overclock it like a name like any which is 300 and 360 $370 yeah that's 200 bucks more yeah that's right that's a lot of money you think that's a hard that's a hard sell for somebody who's like like what's the real difference like well if you get a really high-end graphics card and you play at 1080 and you turn the settings down yeah you probably would get like 10 or 20 more frames per second on that like what yeah yeah it goes from like a hundred and 60 FPS 180 with the Intel right and you're like my monitor is 60 Hertz yeah and it's and it's and it's 2560 by 1440 right like oh well there's no difference at that resolution Oh so why should I spend 200 bucks more exactly yeah I feel like wouldn't rise when first gen rise in first launched it would have been fine hey Intel could still charge the prices that they're charging now because AMD had such a bad rap and reputation at the time for just being infinitely slower than Anna worse deal than any Intel chips but it's been two years since then and people have caught on even people who don't really know pcs or PC hardware or who aren't as enthusiastic about you know PC DIY as we are know by now two years down the line after rising first debuted that it's a really good it's a really good value and an Intel needs to scale their prices accordingly which they haven't they're still charging for their chips like they were still as if they were still the king of value back then so or as if AMD's products were somehow hamstrung which you could make the argument for back in the in the the bulldozer and days and their past generation of stuff which launched like five years before isin but it's really not the case anymore hey guys that is all I got from my half of the show so thank you all so much for watching and if anyone wants to do timestamps we greatly appreciate that your everyday tech has been doing those really really many thanks for that I'll pin those again we're going to continue the debauchery in the after party yep which is linked in the description it's gonna be super casual and fun so join us there if you want and then yeah and then we'll do a twitch rate at the end so you guys could get to all bombard a random twitch channel be super fun alright so we'll see you there if you're on twitch stay right where you at if you're on youtube links in the description thanks for watching guys thumbs up button anyway ups we'll see you briefly boy shortly see