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included in each of these chips so while you'll still need to buy a ddr4 memory you can at least get by without a graphics card and still play games for today's video I'll be sharing some gaming and performance benchmark numbers for both of these new ap use but my goal is to answer a few simple questions are these viable for 1080p gaming can you play currently popular games with them and how do they stack up to other budget gaming alternatives so let's start off by taking a quick look at the specs the Rison 320 200 G is only $99 MSRP and it's a quad-core CPU without SMT so 4 cores and 4 threads the CPU has a base clock of 3.5 gigahertz and XFR will peg one or two of those cores to up to 3.7 gigahertz under load if temperatures aren't too hot officially the 2200 G has a 65 watt TDP although it's variable according to AMD 45 to 65 watts is what they actually list that's because the heat output of any given processor will change depending on the CPU and GPU clock speeds so if you overclock it TEP goes up if you under clock it or run it at a lower frequency TDP might go down the a.m. for platform that these apu slot into does support cpus with up to a 95 watt TDP so depending on the power delivery hardware in your chosen motherboard you should have some overclocking and I'm not going to be overclocking today just FYI but the CPU and GPU and both of these chips are both unlocked and I do have a full build plan that I will be giving the OC treatment to in the future the 2200 G's integrated GPU is classified as Vega 8 it runs at eleven hundred megahertz by default with eight compute units 512 I'll use 32 texture mapping units and draw graphics compute power of 2.25 teraflops floating-point 16 the risin 5 2400 G will cost you a bit more it's a hundred and $69 MSRP and it is also a quad-core CPU but it has simultaneous multi-threading so it provides 8 threads for your operating system to work with base clock is 3.6 gigahertz and loose clock is 3.9 gigahertz when temperatures permit of course it's also fully unlocked for CPU and or GPU overclocking with a 65 watt TDP and the GPU and the 2400 G is a Vega 11 running at 1215 megahertz by default with 11 compute units 704 tail use 44 texture mapping units and raw graphics compute power of 3.5 to teraflops floating-point 16 let's move into some comparison benchmarks and I do still run all my benchmarks fresh all of these were handled just in this past weekend I will add some extra CPU comparisons when I'm specifically looking at CPU performance charts but for gaming I wanted to do a current test of the best a GPU that Intel offers on the desktop side which right now is the Intel u HD graphics 630 that you can find on coffee like chips I used my 8700 K for this and while this was mostly for the gaming numbers of the eye GPU please bear in mind when we get to the 3d mark physics and CPU tests that the 8700 K costs more than double with the 2400 G costs and almost four times the cost of the $100 2200 G so please bear that in mind that said I also added a gtx 1050 Ti to the Intel platform and ran numbers on that as well and that's because that's apparently the lowest power discrete GPU that I actually have on hand right now I know a GT 1030 from an video would probably be a more apt discrete GPU comparison here but I've never once recommended that GPU to anyone I wanted kind of a more real low-end budget GPU option that I've recommended to people so that's why I chose the GTX 1050 T I also bear in mind it costs well over 200 right now so it also costs more than either of these AP use and that is fifty two hundred dollars more than the ten fifty T is MSRP which should be more like a hundred and fifty issue dollars anyway my Intel testbed used an asus rog Strix z 370 - i gaming motherboard a samsung 960 pro 512 gig nvme SSD and 16 gigs of g-scale flex ddr4 memory set - its ddr4 3200 casa latency 14 XMP setting I rise in test bed was based on the gigabytes a be 350 n gaming Wi-Fi mini ITX motherboard it also used a samsung 960 pro 512 ua nvme SSD and the same 16 gig g.skill flex ddr4 memory kit also set to the same ddr4 3200 casa latency 14 XMP settings i made absolutely sure to use the exact same memory with the exact same speed because the I GPUs use the system memory for graphics memory and that can very much affect your graphics performance so let's jump into the benchmarks I've got CPU focused gaming focus and I'll end with some actual footage of gameplay testing and some testing of what settings you need to go with actually play some of these games at 1080 with Cinebench D multi-threaded tests which saw the 2200 G with all four cores scoring 565 points and a 2400 G scoring 816 because it has quad core with multi-threading if we move over to the single thread tests you can tell when you're comparing this to some of the mainstream rise and stuff single thread performance should be roughly in the same ballpark in fact if you're running this at the same frequency as say an 1800 X you should get almost exactly the same results 145 and $152 the 2200 G and 2400 G respectively moving over to CPU mark this is the CPU test specifically and the overall score for the 2400 G was ten thousand two hundred and twenty with a single thread score coming in at 1972 you can see the slight variance here again with the single threaded tests and this is again mainly because the 2400 G is running about 200 megahertz faster frequency on the single core than the 2200 G let's move over to blender a bit more of a practical test here when testing the splash fishy cat demonstration we saw a total time of just over 60 seconds for the 2400 G and then ramp that up to 70 3.2 seconds for the 2200 G I will say looking at these CPU numbers right out of the gates they're not bad by any stretch of course if you're comparing them to the higher end stuff that you can get on the Rison platform or especially the higher end stuff that intel offers the numbers for the AP us aren't going to be quite as impressive but you have to keep the price in mind and also the fact that these come with a GPU integrated which many of these comparison CPUs do not finally for CPU specific tests here's the blender BMW 27 tests and here you can see that as you're moving to longer tests or if you're comparing this to say rendering video or something like that when you go from 4 cores and 4 threads to something with 6 cores or 8 cores or beyond you get a vast reduction in your actual compute time and here is probably the best example of where you might tell someone who's going to consider one of these AP use for something that's more CPU compute oriented maybe opt for something with a higher core count because you're going to get more benefit out of that that said these ApS are still of course perfectly viable for doing stuff like working with render or video editing you're just gonna be waiting more time for your project to render out moving over to some gaming tests now and starting with the 3d mark firestrike synthetic this is just standard fire strike and here again I want to point out that when you're looking at overall scores and physics scores the 8700 K tests have a huge advantage and that's largely because it's on a much more expensive platform so I'm in no way trying to tell you guys that these are directly comparable CPUs I just wanted to include all of these scores so that the charts will line up and everything and mainly here you want to look at the graphics tests so the UHD six-thirty graphics test scores a pitiful 1452 we're getting double that with the 2200 G with a score over 3,000 and more than that 3609 for the 2400 G as we move over to 3d mark time spy this is a DirectX 12 test this is also much more intense tests and it was pretty much a slideshow with the AP use as I tested them however they were still able to get through its scoring 1015 overall for the 2200 G 1244 for the 2400 G and again if you compare that to what the IGP you on the 8700 K is capable of 483 total score and the graphics coming in at just 416 shows you the massive advantage that the integrated Vega graphics has compared to what Intel's working with at least on the current platform and now on to some actual games and I've chosen a few here that I found were popular and also playable on lower end systems so let's start out with for tonight becoming insanely popular as sort of a player knowns battlegrounds replacement and actually playing this a little bit I had a lot of fun the 2200 G that was able to get about 23 frames per second on average 2400 G got up to 29 frames per second on average bear in mind this is with the high quality presets and this is mainly set that way to compare it to as you can see something a little bit more reasonable when it comes to a discrete GPU like the 1050 Ti can't get around 66 frames per second wait just a minute though and I'm going to be testing this live and I will show you some settings that you can use in order to get a much more playable frame rate out of fortnight especially with one of these ap use next up is overwatch and sanely fun game they keep adding more things to it and more heroes and everything so I actually need to get back into this I feel like I haven't played it quite as much but also really well optimized here and we got 52 FPS out of the 22 hundred G's 61 out of the 2400 G and this is with the high settings and 100% run render scale again I'll be testing this in just a minutes to show you guys some more reasonable settings to use with this game if you want to play at 1080 and gets playable 60 frames per second or better frame rates moving average player unknowns battlegrounds and this game feels like it could use some more optimisation I think it's a much smaller team than the team at fortnight has working on it but I was only able to eke out about 23.4 frames per second with the 2200 G just over 30 frames per second with 2400 G that's at medium settings so medium not super high but still not super low either this game could probably use a little bit more work or perhaps some driver optimization specifically for these GPUs compare that to the 1050 Ti which is getting 72 frames per second on average and you can see one of the benefits you get by spending more money on a discrete GPU however I want to point out there was an issue with the 2400 G that I experienced and that I talked to Kyle about and he - which was stuttering and inconsistency it's like you'd play the game it would be okay for 20 seconds and then you have three or four seconds where it would slow way down you get into the single-digit frame rates and then it seems like it would recover and it'd go back to a more normal frame rate this seems very much to me to be something that is probably going to be a driver fix that they need to come out with that said if you look at the 1% low numbers on player unknowns battlegrounds as well as back on the fortnight numbers my 1% lows were less we're lower with the 2,400 G then with the 2200 G and this is representative of those stuttery inconsistent frame rate points that I went through unfortunately that made the game very difficult to play and it did persist through my gameplay testing that we'll get to in just a second and let's move on to total warhammer - this was actually benchmark with the ultra preset so that made it much more challenging as you can see from the frame rate numbers 2200 G less than 10 FPS 2400 G at 12 fps you could get better numbers out of this by changing the actual preset from ultra down to something a little bit more playable but I just wanted to point out when you have lots of draw calls when you have lots of units on the screen it's going to bog down lower and graphics cards and especially when you start to get above the actual GPU memory limits which is 1 gigabyte by default with the 2200 G and 2400 G that's gonna lead to some issues as well that made total war Warhammer - not very easy to play at all in the AP use and probably something that you'd want to crank those settings way down on to play at a more reasonable frame rate speaking of reasonable frame rate though GTA 5 at 1080 doing quite well here also probably due to game optimizations but it's also been out for a little while longer but 44 FPS on average though for the 2200 G's 69 FPS for the 2400 G very reasonable 1% low numbers as well so if you've been itching to play GTA 5 on the PC and you haven't been able to these are pretty solid choices for that bear in mind again I'm using not the highest settings that I typically do when I test higher higher in graphics cards most of the stuff is set to normal with some of the detail levels and that kind of thing to turn down but all those settings are listed at the bottom if you guys want to check it out so the next thing I did was some actual play testing and I screen capped this and I played three different games overwatch fortnight as well as player knowns battlegrounds I did 20200 G and the 2400 G and I messed with the settings to try to get a frame rate above 60 fps playing at 1920 by 1080 and I wanted to show you guys the actual gameplay as well as what it looks like and the frame counter is in the top left hand corner from fraps so starting off with overwatch first thing I did was switched from the high preset that I used in the benchmarks I just showed you down to medium overwatch when I did this automatically did a 75% scaling as well so those two combined resulted in pretty consistent made 60 frames per second gameplay so the 20 200 G I am happy to say it's perfectly capable of playing overwatch you just gotta turn the scaling down a little bit I don't always like messing with the scaling but it is definitely a very viable option if you're limited on GPU power moving out a fortnight's here I started with the medium preset and tested that out a little bit and the grass turned off that can apparently improve frame rates I was getting mid to low 40 frames per second actual results so then I switched it down to low but with 100% scaling and this resulted in a very playable 70 to 80 frames per second sometimes even getting up to the hundred frames per second range but fortnight's thankfully allows you to scale those graphic settings way down so even with a fairly underpowered system you're able to get some pretty decent frame rates next up is player on owns battlegrounds very popular but I already mentioned going through the initial benchmarks that the frame rates were not all that great I actually had to crank the 2200 G all the way down to the very low setting and crank the scaling all the way down to 70 and still I was in the mid 40s per second range I did note that it was using all the vram 1 total gig of VRAM so that spills over into the supplemental vram that these chips are capable of handling although I'm not delving into that too much for this video once you get past that one gig limit it seems to start to slow things down and definitely player unknowns battlegrounds suffers from this so you're probably gonna have to go below 1080 if you want to get above 60 frames per second if you use the 2200 G and player and ons battlegrounds barring some some driver update that fixes things really well or something like that living up to the 2400 G and back over to overwatch here again I had to bump down to the medium preset but I was able to do 100% scaling so if you're comparing the frame rates that you're seeing here to the 2200 G they're kind of similar but how two percent scaling with the 24 energy 75 percent scaling with the 2200 G it was mostly above 60 frames per second even getting above 70 some times but I will point out them when I got into a more intense firefight the frame rate would dip down to the mid 40s saw something that you might play around with even more thankfully overwatch is really good when it comes to graphic settings and getting something that gets you the most frames for your GPU did not fortunately suffer from the stuttering fortnight and player knowns battlegrounds did speaking of which fortnight's so here is probably your first introduction to these weird stuttering issues they were sporadic they would come and go I could play for a couple minutes and not experience it at all just very much an indication that this probably needs some optimization on the drivers side but it's definitely frustrating if you're playing this and it happens at the wrong time right as you're going to try to kill someone not that I was able to kill anyone I'm horrible at all of these games I started at medium I was getting in the mid to high 44 second range I turned the view distance and anti-aliasing down and I was able to get to just under 60 frames per second but eventually I just switched back to low same setting I was using it with 220 200 G with hundred-percent scaling and there I was getting around 80 FPS sometimes going over 100 but again every so often would encounter those stutters that made playing pretty difficult and finally player unknowns battlegrounds here I eventually after testing a couple things realize like you know it I wasn't getting very good framerate with a 2200 G so just redo those settings very low was 74% scaling still only getting in the 40 to 50 frames per second range and still plagued pretty regularly by those weird hiccups and stutters FPS tipping down to the single digit range happens the most in my opinion in player unknowns battlegrounds so hopefully a software or driver updates will fix this since I didn't really notice these hiccups of stutters with the 2200 G so before wrapping up if you read enough so I wanted to point out just things that appeared to me that I found interesting first off there's no temperature control knob on this one or offsets thread Ripper as well as the mainstream rise in CPUs have a temperature offset that tricks your system into cranking up your fan speeds the CPU will be the lower temperature and it will overclock itself more not the case on these ApS what you see is what you get the video ads I was actually asked about lots of video outs on existing B 350 and X 370 motherboards what do they actually support if your at 1080p you can go all the way up to 240 Hertz so if you're playing like a csgo or something like that that is good to know 1440p you can go up to 144 Hertz and at 4k you can go up to 60 Hertz and that's just default out of the video outs back here which includes on this motherboard at least an hdmi and displayport bear in mind that these ap use are compatible with free sync however free sync requires DisplayPort so if you're getting one of these ap use and like a cheap free sync monitor which is a great idea make sure that your motherboard has a DisplayPort out that's very important as for temperatures and in case I didn't point it out clearly enough already I wanted to use everything the way it comes so I've been cooling these with the wraith stealth coolers that came in the box with either of these ap use it did an okay job 2200 G was pretty reasonable temperatures were typically in the low 60 Celsius range peaking at about 70 degrees Celsius 2400 G however ran much warmer and that's probably due to the higher clock speeds simultaneous multithreading more GPU compute units 70 degrees Celsius was more common on average and 87 degrees Celsius was what the CPU got to max 77 degrees Celsius was the max that the GPU got to and bear in mind that those temperatures are taken into account when it comes to XF bar so you might induce throttling in some situations if you're using the 2400 G with the rate stealth cooler so these a fuse would probably benefit from an aftermarket cooler especially if you're going to be overclocking and especially if you're overclocking the CPU and the GPU alright so let's talk pros and cons I'm gonna start with the negatives 2400 G and it's stuttering issues definitely stood out the most to me it was just a little bit disappointing when it comes to the performance but again probably just a driver update issue that will hopefully be addressed very soon by AMD I also want to point out that the Wraith stealth while being a perfectly adequate out of the box included cooler just not quite capable of handling with 2400 G at full throttle so high temperatures might limit performance especially if you're in a more tight enclosure with less airflow I was testing all these just in open test beds high temperatures do limit performance and definitely limits the ability for XFR to do its job and crank those clock speeds up the best performance also with these aps and this is just applies to resin in general requires high speed ddr4 even more so applies when that high speed ddr4 is being used as the GPUs memory as well and that's just still very expensive so you're gonna want to pick and choose and find yourself some 29 33 or 3200 speed memory and finding a good deal on that is pretty challenging right now moving over to positives though excellent performance per dollar for 1080p gaming and you don't need to buy a graphics card and I will say especially from the $99 2200 G if I had one takeaway from this whole thing it's at the 2200 G at $99 seems like a great deal and the 2400 G at $170 seems like an okay deal the improvement that you get for the 2400 G just isn't insanely that much better at least according to my numbers today and the 2200 G 99 bucks that's 99 dollars for this and then like 99 dollars for this motherboard and that's your GPU your CPU and your motherboard for 200 bucks pretty reasonable extremely budget-friendly especially in today's GPU pricing environments and definitely a lot of fun Mini ITX build potential I think coming up to the upgrade path I also wanted to point out it slots into a m4 so you can get one of these little $99 AP use with a GPU in it slot it into say a higher-end X 370 motherboard and you'll have an upgrade path in the future to yourself like an 1800 X or even one of the rise in two CPUs that AMD is promising will come out soon like in the next month or two I think but guys that is going to wrap it up for this video on the new AMD reisen AP use the Rison 320 200 G and the Rison 520 400 G really nice performance I'm impressed I hope you guys are impressed too and leave me a thumbs up button on this video if you enjoy it and of course your comments are always welcome down in the comments section below let me know what you think let me know if you have any ideas if you're planning on buying one I'll put links to these in the video's description so if you guys want to click those also very much appreciated one last thing I've been kind of back in some of the swing of things this week with video I wanted to say a big thank you to any of you guys who have come out and been like hey yeah go Paul or we missed you or anything like that it's really been helpful as I've been getting back in the swing of things and it makes it warms the cockles of my heart okay I finished this video off by saying couples I should end now anyway though guys I've said enough already thank you again for watching this video and we'll see you next time