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my coverage of CES 2018 from Las Vegas Nevada is brought to you by Coolermaster enter max ocz Toshiba and deep cool so guys I was actually invited to Las Vegas a little bit early by AMD and they held a tech day on January 6 2018 where they shared some excellent and exciting news about their upcoming products for 2018 so that's what this video is going to be all about I'm gonna be just doing a talking heads thing and sharing some slides with you and that kind of thing bear in mind that anything I'm showing you guys as far as performance numbers where was all provided directly by AMD so take it with a grain of salt of course and we will be of course testing these products once they become available but we have announced and Confirmation of rise in to coming very soon in April and we also have a bunch of new products because they laid out their a roadmaps for CPU and GPU going all the way through 2020 although they are slightly vague but let's start there roadmaps so sorry for the CPU roadmap and of course in 2017 AMD launched rise in their first Zen based product it had a 52 percent instructions per clock improvement versus their old excavator architecture it was very well received and that's all new old news now though of course that was 2017 we're in 2018 now so Zen plus is the refinement of the Zen microarchitecture and they're actually moving it from 14 nanometer down to 12 nanometer so slight reduction in the process size which should hopefully potentially lead to some efficiency hand enhancements and maybe even some higher overclocking performance Zen plus is what the rise in - family of CPUs for desktop will be based on so keep an eye out for those in April 2018 and then looking beyond that in 2019 presumably just based on how they laid these out they started at 2017 and they ended at 2020 so I'm assuming the the ones in between line up with the different years that should correspond so in 2019 we should get Zen to the actual new microarchitecture not just a refinement of the original Zen microarchitecture that's also going to be moving to the seven nanometer manufacturing process so shrinking it down even smaller they say the design is complete for Zen - as far as the microarchitecture goes and also apparently suck it Intel under your crappy 10 nanometer process so they're moving to seven which is pretty small incredibly small actually looking even further than that though in 2020 we have Xen 3 the third version of this microarchitecture and that's going to be on a refinement of the 7 nanometer process and according to AMD they're on track so in 2020 is n3 looking forward to that too let's move over to the GPU roadmap though this one is not quite as rich when it comes to details but of course in 2017 AMD launched Vega at least the Radeon technologies group and in 2018 they're planning on moving the Vega GPU architecture down again to that 7 nanometer process I believe it using Global Foundries for that and apparently from everything they're telling us yields must be somewhat decent so far or if they're not there they're just not sharing that information yet but they seem very optimistic about that process and then moving beyond that in 2019 again presumably based on just how they laid everything out here we'll have Navi and na vi's the actual successor GPU architecture to Vega and we'll have to see how that actually plays out it's still just sort of a word that's out there in the ether right now but you guys can already start saying I'm gonna wait for Navi that's probably what most people say and then again looking even beyond that all the way out to 2020 we have what's is only being called next-gen 7 nanometre plus GPU microarchitecture so they're not even sharing the codename with it yet so we can't even say I'm gonna wait I'm gonna wait for Navi I'm gonna wait for that next-gen thing hopefully they'll have some new exciting name for a soon there but look forward for that in 2020 on the 7 nanometer plus process now to get a little bit more specific for 2018 they gave us a little bit more of a refined roadmap so in q1 we've got the rise in desktop apu that's actually coming in february 12th we also have a mobile apu so we're finally seeing Rison plus vega in AP use come out for both the desktop and the mobile side that's really exciting when whether you're gonna build a entry level desktop or whether you're looking for a nice thin and light laptop in q2 we should have rise into again that's coming in April for the desktop and we're also gonna have rise in Pro mobile and of course the pro just means it's more tailored for an enterprise environment finally in the second half of this year one of the most exciting things I think that was announced is second gen thread Ripper so they are working on that very sparse on the details but just says second half which could be as early as June or is latest December so they're still leaving it wide open for that also in the second half we're expecting second-gen risin Pro so let's talk some more details about risin 2 and then we also have some rise in one price drops that are happening right now but more of those just a sec risin to is announced resons who's launching in April 2018 they're already sampling risin two CPUs two hardware partners for some motherboard manufacturers for example so they can get their motherboards all set up it's gonna have higher clock speeds it's also going to feature precision Boost 2.0 and precision boosters extremely popular with the original risin that's got a new opportunistic algorithm that it uses to overclock your processor automatically and the new process technology that they're using since they've shrunk it down a little bit allows rising to to run at the same frequency while using the same voltage or at a higher frequency with less voltage basically less voltage less heat which typically means that you can run at a higher sustained clock speed also they have per core booster now so rather than boosting two cores or all cores at the same time you can actually do them all individually which is very helpful for specific applications that might only use a single CPU threat for example now aMDA already promised that a.m. for their actual socket for the CPUs was gonna be viable up through 2020 and they have confirmed that here isin two CPUs will be able to drop into existing a m4 based motherboards with 300 series chipset sets such as B 350 and X 370 however there will also be a new set of motherboards with 400 series chipsets so there's going to be an X 470 that's what they've confirmed with us so far and I would imagine there's also going to be some be 450 type variants of that as well since that was insanely popular for budget builds the actual difference between going with say a 300 series motherboard with a rise in two processor and a 400 series motherboard with a resin to processor is not yet fully known they did seem to indicate that there might be some improvement that you get by going with the newer motherboard it's optimized for second gen Rison so you might have what they say more performance and lower power but it's not really clear what exactly they mean by that whether they're going to give you access to additional features or whether you're actually going to get a little bit more performance out of Verizon to CPU so I'm hoping they can balance that in a way that people who are using older motherboards will still feel like they're viable but people who get the new motherboards will get something for the being on the bleeding edge of technology I suppose now in case you're wondering there's forward and backwards compatibility as well so horizon one CPU from last year will work in these new x4 70 motherboards as well so you know you can you can swap those out if you want to I suppose but nice to have broad compatibility across that also as mentioned rise in first gen CPU price drops which should be an effect right now if you go over to hopefully I'll put some links in the description but if you covered a New Ager Amazon you should be able to find some crazy good deals very similar to what we saw actually for the Black Friday pricing this year so that's pretty cool the 1900 X for example on the high-end thread Ripper platform is $450 now down from 550 1800 X is $350 down from the original MSRP of 500 and like the r5 1600 the really really popular six core CPU is now one hundred and ninety dollars down from 220 so for anyone who's looking to invest now if you need a new desktop now and you can't wait till April 1 rising to launches you can get some good deals on the existing Xen based processors next announcement from AMD is Radeon Vega mobile they also announced Radeon Vega on 7 nanometer but that's a very specific product more on that in a second this is gonna be for laptops of course so you have Radeon Vega it's been out for a little while we've mainly seen it in large discreet products but they've shrunk it way down they're using the same Vega core that they're using for example for the Vega 56 or Vega 64 they've gone from 1 HB m to stack down to from 2 down to 1 and that shrinks down the size of the actual package significantly it also only has a one point seven millimeter Z hider top to bottom which means for thin and light laptops and notebooks or all in ones you save on vertical space also allows better cooling solutions for example when you can actually get your chip down that small so that's really cool gonna be suitable for ultra thin laptops does it still have HP m2 memory is VR capable according to AMD and then they also announced that 7 nanometre Vega product it's going to be a Radeon instinct machine learning product which was some of the products they announced really early with Vega that they actually launched really early with Vega so probably gonna be as applicable to you guys out there since I don't know how many of you dabble in machine learning but it does show that they've managed to take their Vega architecture and shrink it down and get it working on seven nanometers so that's pretty exciting as well the theme that they kept going with was Vega everywhere they want Vega GPU architecture to be in as many different places as possible so whether you're talking about stuff like next-gen consoles or whether you're talking about desktop graphics cards laptop graphics cards or even integration with their partners they announced late last year and Intel and Radeon sort of semi-custom chip design with a mobile Intel CPU and a mobile Radeon Vega GPU so you're gonna see Vega in a lot of different places which is cool because it does have extremely good efficiency if you're running it at the right frequency so it's exciting to see what type of products are going to come out with Radeon Vega mobile and finally at long last we have ap use yes we were expecting them long ago last year because a lot of the original am4 motherboards had video outs on them and you can't really use a video out on another board unless you have an integrated GPU as part of your CPU but they really only launched a couple ApS at the very end of last year they were well-received but I feel like I didn't hear about them too much they're expanding that lineup though this year and they're also moving it not just from ApS are going to be using laptops but also socketed desktop APs and that's what desktop users who are looking for an entry-level build or something that's just to get off the ground that can do some light gaming but also is a very functional computer it's a very good application for these ap use so we have an r5 2400 G that's a 4 core 8 thread APU has a 3.6 gigahertz base and a 3.9 gigahertz boosts 11 compute units 65 watt TDP and it does include Vega graphics that are running in its 1215 megahertz it's going to cost a hundred and sixty nine dollars which is actually five bucks less than the than the non APU four core eight thread rise in the original resin part but we'll we'll see if there's a difference in clock speed or something like that when it comes down to it but overclockable graphics AMD did have a brief overclocking demo that they where they clock the GPU up to about 15 50 megahertz and then all the way up to 1675 got some nice performance boost from that and they were comparing it to an Intel a solution the i5 8400 which costs about $200 of course the integrated graphics from AMD tend to kick the crap out of intel's integrated graphics so it definitely shows you the value of something like an APU when for 170 dollars you can get the roughly equivalent performance of what with the Intel side you'd have to go for about a $200 processor plus probably adding a discrete GPU on top of it as well there's also a more budget option and our three model the 2,200 G it's a four core four thread processor 3.5 gigahertz base 3.7 gigahertz boost eight compute units also with Vega graphics and that's going to be sub $100 I believe $99 just the price for that one and they did have a couple cool product demos that showed us for example a very small mini PC with a mini ITX motherboard with the APU in there and thanks to the low TDP our lowish TDP of 65 watts able to power it with an external brick so some pretty cool implementations I think we're going to see with these ApS once they start to get out on the market more and of course them being socketable means that you're gonna have a much better time integrating it in the desktop build of your choice because you can go full-size and mini ITX or anything in between which I guess is micro ATX anyway they also have mobile ap use of course a couple more that they've announced in q1 2018 to go along with the couple that they announced at the end of 2017 r3 2300 U is a four core four thread part with six compute units and the 2200 U is a 2 core 4 thread part with 3 compute units those should be very affordable at least when it comes to bomb costs these are mobile ApS again so they're going to be integrated by laptop manufacturers the products that they'll be integrated into include 2 and ones ultra thins and even gaming laptops and they did show a demo running Wolfenstein 2 on the r3 2300 you part they are playing at 1080p it only has a 15 watt power draw which is awesome for a laptop especially with an integrated APU and it wasn't like the most amazing gameplay you've ever seen but it was definitely playable and given that it's only drawing 15 watts that's insanely good they also announced mobile XFR stead of frequency range so if you're using one of these ap use and you have a laptop with better cooling that's built into it or even if you get something like an add-on like maybe a laptop stand with fans or something like that if you can keep the CPU cooler it's going to kick in that XFR and give you a little bit higher frequency to trade off with the lower temperature last part of this was the announcement of rise in Pro mobile and this is again just a pro version of these ap use with added features for security manageability and longevity which is important of course for enterprise customers who want to make sure that they're getting the most bang for their buck and make sure that their products are supported for a really long time I see these rise in AP use as potentially a really nice entry level variable refresh rate gaming solutions I feel like these desktop AP use you can plop in without having to fork over the cash for a discreet graphics card pair it with the budgets free sync or free sync to monitor hopefully we'll see more free seeing two monitors coming out this year and I think that would be a great solution because the lower frame rates that you might get with something like an AP you would be greatly helped by a variable refresh rate monitor but guys that's gonna wrap it up for my first video of CES 2018 and you know speaking of those new am4 motherboards I have a feeling that there's going to be a few of those on display this week so definitely stay tuned I have tons more videos planned hit the thumbs up button on your way out if you did enjoy it and of course one final thank you to my sponsors for this event deep cool Coolermaster enter Max and ocz Toshiba thanks for watching guys we'll see in the next video