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like both we should be live we are alive - both yeah we're live welcome guys he's inside B of Awesome Hardware episode 103 the live show that Paul and I do every single Tuesday at 5:30 p.m. Pacific time if you guys are chilling with us right now and you haven't seen part one you can go ahead and watch it on my channel youtube.com slash c / bit wit or you can find the link in paul's description of his youtube video if you're watching this on Twitch welcome back it's accurate but because you're doing well and we've got a hell of a show for you guys today Paul has planted he's spent all morning and all afternoon and evening crafting the show he said Tower is gonna be the best show he's ever done our Xander everything you're about to see represents his full potential as a live streamer so stay tuned it's going to be a hell of a hell of a ride your life will never be the same you'll be forever changed be a spiritual moment we'll all share together and we'll all cry at the end so um such beautiful yes absolutely tear-jerking already and oh we got a gamer's nexus article yes we talked about lots of good stuff here um glorious we are still drinking beer I'm still working on my delirium tremens that Paul got for his birthday you've started on a new beer what is that this is by Ninkasi Brewing Company mm-hmm this was actually a present from my sister and her family for my birthday I think my brother's not and their family this is a vanilla Otis oatmeal stout and it's climb stations quite good yummy if you finish that you can have some of this I will I will I will eventually okay I'm still sipping on the DT so yes cheers to all you guys thanks for being here yes and we have the best live show ever it's the best show say I'm just going to say we do curse from time to times fair warning to you guys who are sensitive to that kind of thing we're going to talk about technology we got gonna argue stuff going to discuss things and we're going to start off with of course the tech news as we always do because we end the first half with tech news we begin the second half with tech news and that's how it dovetails together to create a seamless show that everyone loves good lord I'd say I'm very secure in Texas hell yeah we all love gamers next they're good they do good work they try to do everything super legit we kind of know they do stuff but yeah they can a little debt so you guys didn't already know you can take your existing RX 480 or rx 470 if you happen to have one of these cards from AMD you can download a V bios v bios from the internets files and then you can install that onto your graphics card and basically turn it from a 480 into a 589 for my 470 into a 570 and it's kind of fun it does that by increasing the amount of voltage that's provided the GPU as well as a few other parameters that are in there that's just one thing that you should know it's I would say if you have a duel with a GP with dual BIOS ease which some there are some that are out there that have that I think sapphire I want to say has one and there's a couple others yeah but curricular me you can even beyond that even without doing the BIOS flashing thing you can still take a 580 and a 480 and crossfire them together yeah why not because in the same a GPU yeah it's the same GPU inside show so you're able to do that so you don't even need to flash the BIOS on the 480 to know to work it'll it'll just yeah I would imagine you could flash the best in the 480 and then be interesting to see if that improves performance any it might because when you do run these in crossfire if you happen to do so like gamers Nexus did here they will run at the frequency of the slowest GPU yeah so updating your for you to a 5 8 or something like that might cause it to run at a higher frequency and so I might and give you better performance they didn't test in that configuration they just dressed it with a 40 and a 580 they were testing with MSI's cards either their gaming X or whatever whatever the hell that is they said that there is no explicit inhibitor to forbid users from writing crossfire with an Rx 400 was alright what Jesus I don't like to hear myself talk yeah it's really awkward it's I feel sound I feel very self-conscious now good but anyway there's no explicit inhibitor they say from running these cards in crossfire with the 400 and 500 CS cards as long as you use a 470 and a 5 or 480 and 580 now the frequency again will be matched to the slowest card and then of course you're going to have you're going to have you're going to give up something for running across fire most notably is going to be the amount of power that's drawn so they're tests that they ran in fire strike extreme and for honor showed a pretty significant jump up and power draw it was something like fifty four percent higher power compared to just running the stock for eighty thirty-seven percent more power than running a stock five eighty this test by the way we're around on a seventy seven hundred K based system and they also ran a bunch of games so they did finds and I'm going to briefly scroll through these games just articles linked in the description if you guys want to take a closer look at this but they did find that when scaling took effect that it was a pretty nice performance bump and in fact it was scoring between a gtx 1080 and 1080 TI's amount of performance pretty damn good considering that at an eighty cost 500 bucks yeah today's yeah ti cost 650 maybe 700 yeah that's pretty decent however that was not always the case because crossfire does not always scale across everything right where it did scale well will sweetie mark and Sniper Elite for when it didn't work and could potentially even have negative scaling as it did in Mass Effect Andromeda yes where the 580 and 480 scores are down here at the bottom but you can see here below just the 580 by itself or just the 480 by itself yeah that's occurred in different at different resolutions as well also had negative scaling in Ghost Recon wildlands and then there were also other situations where it had awkward scaling like it scaled well at 1080 and 1440 at least scaled okay at 1080 and 1440 I'm sorry is it I'm sorry is this before or after he flashed the bios for the art he never flashed the best in this I was I was mentioning as bringing that up as just sort of a tangent easily linked okay a topic to this gadget this is just a 480 and 580 crossfire together go to yes and for honor though for for some reason there was some good scaling at 1440 and 1080 but when they ran it at 4k it was like a stuttering mess and they couldn't even really test it says come with multi-gpu stuff yes all this is to say interest it is something you can do it's not something that would be like hey everyone go and get this configuration and set it up if you have a specific game that scales well and you see people benchmarking and it works well and you really like that game then maybe it's something to go for but by-and-large probably not something you should consider but interesting that it can be done yeah yeah cool I wonder how long it takes gamers Nexus to make these graphs just long data long time they don't sleep that they head out oh I don't know the word they never really never sleep who needs it okay we sort of discussed this a little bit on Kyle's half of the show but SK Hynix has just announced that they have GDD our sixth memory for GPUs that is in the works and on the way it's expected to launch in 2018 and theoretically they are going to be teaming up with Nvidia to use this type of memory with their Volta based GPU which again we kind of discussed in Cal's half of the show but I really quickly rattle off some of these specs these memory chips would be eight gigabit chips which would be about one gigabyte of actual gddr5 six memory per chip which to me means that you could have it in configurations if you have eight packages per side on a graphics card you could probably theoretically have up to 16 gigs of this on a single graphics card with the specs that they're currently listing which would be kind of interesting 16 gigs of DDR 6 I mean we've already got like tight nexus with 12 gigs so yeah increasing it from there that's not a bad thing it's going to be manufactured on a twenty-something menu nanometer manufacturing process SK Hynix isn't saying specifically they said 2x nanometer which means anything between 20 and 29 each chip is going to have an IO data rate of 16 gigabits per second per pin which is the world's fastest according to the article the memory interface is 384 bits providing 768 gigabytes per second of bandwidth that would be compared to like a gddr5 X in the 1080i right now which runs at 480 444 768 hot damn take it yep faster and in case you're curious about competition not just SK Hynix but also micron it has been at least mentioning production of GD GD d r6 and getting that underway by the end of the year so cool we need fast memory for graphics cards and we need more of its because memory prices have been going up the important to see oh god oh god the dog oh god oh god honks it'll be kind of cool to see the difference between the micron GFI or to do 6 and SK Hynix GTR 6 yeah and to see if there's any sort of discrepancy between those like which one works really well which one explodes with rising processor which one explodes which one works really well rising processors which one combust them beforehand but run just personally that's never had okay all right next up in the news segment we're going to talk a little bit about net neutrality and just to clarify right out of the gate here we do not aim to make a political show we don't usually delve into politics and we don't talk about politics that said politics affect the FCC and therefore have sort of a trickle-down effect on the topics that we usually talk about here on the show therefore some of this might but might might overlap just slightly so our apologies but also just to point out when we discuss stuff like FCC and net neutrality we've been doing this show for a few years now back in 2015 when the FCC chair was Tom wheeler who was appointed I he was at least a you at least FCC chair under under Obama I'm not sure if he was specifically appointed by Obama but anyway point is we were better very critical of him as well until he actually when prudence decision to classify intranet communications and data transfers under title 2 creativity basically yeah which was the right decision so that is to say that right now FCC is not run by Tom wheeler anymore chairman of the FCC's as you tie this guy seems like it tunes well actually if you read articles about him as he's supposed to be a really nice guy in person but I was the devil that doesn't mean that he can't necessarily be in the pocket of Internet service providers so net neutrality uh yeah Oishi pie is Trump's FCC chair was appointed by Trump back in January he's going to deliver a speech that's titled the future of internet regulation on Wednesday in Washington and the reason that this might concern you or me or anyone who uses the internet on a regular basis it's because net neutrality rules are at stake classification of the Internet as a title to utility is also at stake they might roll that back it's expected to announce that he's going to begin the process of taking public comments to repeal the rules approved by the by the FCC under President Barack Obama in early 2015 so public comments is something that we encourage lots of people to do and comment on and let the FCC know about when they were originally considering this back in 2015 this apparently something that will be required once again is for lots of people to let it be known if they want their internet treated in such a way that all data will be treated equally and then we don't have internet fast lanes or the possibility of stuff being done what basically the idea that data that comes from one location might be treated differently than data that comes from another location taking public comment does that mean like like petitions and stuff like that or just people people can submit comments they set up website people can say comment section yeah people can say I don't think you should have net neutrality rules because I am in the pocket of an Internet service provider or you should have net neutrality should be established because I'm a reasonable person and I want to pay more for my my internet bill YUM okay well hopefully they listen hopefully they listen if you guys won't have a discussion with anyone who you might talk to because I think that's what's really important right now is discussing these types of topics with people who may not fully understand them compare it to Daleks know just compared to Netflix comparable and compare it to how cable works so you can bring Netflix into it but compared to how cable works right now if you're watching our show chances are you have an internet connection and you pay in an Internet service provider a certain dollar amount per month in order to have that connection to the Internet usually it's around 40 to 100 bucks in the u.s. is what you typically pay depending on how much bandwidth you actually have but it also depends on whether you have the ability to choose between multiple internet service providers that's another thing that the rollback of these rules will affect is the ability to have competition in your area and competition by the way is not competition between Verizon who provides your cellphone plan and Comcast who provides your wired connection to your house but the way they're changing things will say like oh there is competition there because there's a cellphone provider and an internet provider which isn't the way it should work because those do not necessarily overlap but they're adjusting the rules to make things more favorable for the Internet service providers if you want to compare this to how cable works basically look at it this way let's take a handful a small collection of your favorite places to go on the Internet's and let's say let's say we collect the ones that are going to use the most amount of data like let's say YouTube and maybe a couple other websites that are your favorite to go to but also happen to use a lot of data YouTube Netflix may be one or two others your internet service provider if net neutrality rules aren't in place could potentially say we want to make those specific websites part of our premium plan and you can pay us your basic rate for internet connection but you know what these specific sites that you like to go to a lot that use a lot of bandwidth because use a lot of bandwidth or because we just want to charge people money those now you need to pay it to be part of our premium tier of service like you would with a cable plan where you have to pay oh well if you want to HBO and Cinemax and these premium channels you got to pay this for this package means you know what we're charging you an extra 30 bucks a month for that because it's a package with a bunch of websites in it and maybe you don't want to go to like 90% of those websites but the two that you really want to go to you got to pay for those now that's the way the cable has worked for quite a long time and that's the way that the internet doesn't work and that's what makes the internet great is it because you can pay a single fee for all the data that comes in and out over the line and and and then you can access the Internet and go to the websites you want to go to and access the information that you want to go to and that's why it's such a strong competitor to cable in general and it's wisest this chord cutter movements for people who are just cutting the cord and not even having a cable connection at all because they get all the information and entertainment and whatever that they need over the internet property anyway so that was it that was a beautiful rant thank you it was one of those actually insightful and productive rants that we've ever had on this I'm trying and Chinese very I'm trying to annunciate yes but I'm really trying to try really hard not to act bust so uh that was beautiful the FCC said potentially hold an initial vote on this proposal at the FCC's May 18th meeting the rules approved by the FCC in 2015 prohibit broadband providers from giving or selling access to speedier internet or essentially a fast lane certain internet services over others reclassifying Internet service providers much like utilities and federal courts approved this because the ISPs appealed it's and earlier this year federal courts upheld it however as you PI wants to change all of this these things internet providers this is a quote directly internet providers like AT&T Verizon Communications and Comcast have argued net neutrality rules make it harder to manage Internet traffic and investment in additional capacity would be less likely however losses the quote from what who to quote from um this quote is from the article okay yes the Bates V these basically saying the internet providers have said that under net neutrality like there's there's going to be less investment in Internet infrastructure however if you look at the past year when it has been classified as title two that's completely like BS yeah it's been perfectly article here from consumerist which has the very specific specifics such as that many of the nation's largest broadband providers have grown in the last two years since February 26 2015 which is when the title to classification went into effect ATT share prices have increased more than 20 percent Comcast's is that 26% Verizon's is at the same level although it's fluctuated fifteen percent in either direction charters is up forty percent the only company that is down is CenturyLink they are down 50% I assume that's because their shetty isp infrastructure spending 2016 vs. 2015 Comcast's is up 7.9% AT&T is up ten point six percent charter and Time Warner is confusing because they merge together during that time period but they spent 7.5 billion in 2016 which is more than charter and Time Warner provide spent individually pre-merger it's kind of funny how these ISPs are arguing that net neutrality is going to harm them when like you said like when you were comparing it to the the cable situation like look at where cable is now compared to the Internet yeah like it's being it's being overshadowed by the internet because the internet up to this point has has people would rather neutrality go to youtube and watch some stuff that they want to watch and not deal with the BS of you know fast forwarding through commercials or whatever the heck else they want to do there's alternative ways of accessing information and accessing entertainment and these are companies that are trying to push back and use outdated methods of charging people money to give them that information and also provide a artificial bottlenecks because they don't want to upgrade their infrastructure when that neutrality is in effect there is a competition that's created and that's why we're seeing in and that's why we're seeing investment in infrastructure yeah that's why also that we're seeing the proliferation of stuff like unlimited data plans and stuff like that part of that is competition because t-mobile Thank You t-mobile for doing unlimited data plans competition but ultimately all this is to say is that the actions that are being taken by a Jeep I are very much helping Internet service providers and are doing nothing to help people who are at home who use the internet on a daily basis and they're going to provide Internet service providers with means of charging people more money and they're also going to disincentivize Internet service providers for upgrading the networks that they have in place and improving the networks that they have in place to give people more bandwidth and more of what they need because by creating an artificial limitation on the amount of bandwidth that's available they can charge more for it which is basic economics yeah um it's up yeah Jeep I was Rick Rolled this is it my protesters my protesters so just just to point out it's not just us ranting about this kind of thing but some net neutrality advocates actually went into a Thursday's FCC monthly open meeting and they stood up and sang a song that was they rear it they rewrote Rick the rickroll yeah s actual song never gonna give up and yeah and they did it at the thing which is which is cute I guess and yeah I mean this is it's frustrating because like his comments the the quote that I read you before was based on data provided by us telecom which is the Internet service providers lobbying arm like it's just very very obvious that he is very much in their pocket yeah and it's very frustrating to see actions being taken that are very anti consumer because just characters because this this part of the government is supposed to be there to protect consumers right and give people the ability to do more to run businesses on the internet and stuff like that so yeah one last thing before we move on this this is the this is closing that this was posted by fight for the future which is a Twitter account you can follow they post a lot of stuff about net neutrality and that kind of thing but this is a billboard that was posted by American commitment ABS company which is apparently backed by the Koch brothers yes yes they're an anti net neutrality group and they posted this side near the FCC that said in 2015 above and the tech socialists stole the internet from the people now we must take it back Wow I like which is completely flip cited in in face that is eliminate title 2 regulation which is obviously a bunch of garbage though eliminate net neutrality bring net neutrality back yeah that's exactly what that ad says American commitment good lord alright Sarris that's that's probably about as much serious content as we can handle from one episode yep you know that's my montage of puppies no okay ah good something else how about you hook up with the white rhino on tinder a white Wow yes and northeast would have no northern white rhino more educational okay there he is his name is Sudan this is a how does he swipe life this is legitimate no he's gotta you gotta swipe white right on Sudan okay so this is a new campaign launched on Tuesday tinder has partnered with the old peshitta Conservancy in central Kenya to introduce users to Sudan who is a northern white rhino he's actually the last noir that he's the world's first black last right northern white rhino in existence male at least there are two females that are left as well ah so this is Sudan the females name sir Nagi and and Fatou however he has been unable to breed with them due to a number of issues including old age and low sperm count no and we've all been there artificial insemination do that though that's what they're working on so this program with tender so Dan miss Leveaux so you might see Sudan pop up on your tender feet if you're scrolling through there you know looking for the ladies or whatever and if you swipe right on Sudan it will and it will take you over to a place where you can donate and they're trying to raise I believe something in the area of nine million dollars Wow to help with their IVF intro in converting true B in vitro in vitro in vitro fertilization attempts said Lord yeah it's not cheating even for humans it's not cheap yeah it's very expensive yeah they're also our southern white rhinos apart from the northern white rhinos they are distinct subspecies but they're potentially may double mud yeah the potentially other options for interspecies mating there yeah the Sultan right right white rhinos are not quite as endangered interracial rival to learn but Sudan is 42 years old ideas we're all looking forward to that speaking of which that does the article did say that they seem to have collected a fair amount of his semen so that there might be potential for you know to create more rhinos in the future with that yeah I had to be like how you collect rhino semen what I just want you what was what's involved what is a day in life of a rhino fluffer look like I want I want just a not I don't need a visual I don't need video or anything of that I just wanted eight I just want it talked through 240 step-by-step and kind of explained to me what's involved there so what happens if the northern white rhino mates with a southern white rhino then in create create a central white rhino then possibly what where does it go a moderate white rhino I just drop it in the middle of Africa and just see which way it goes I would choose its own fate I don't know it said it would it is an option it would be better to do that than it would be to lucky in the northern white rhino species go extinct yeah but it would not be a pure purebred purebred northern white Rams got that needs help getting it up he does he needs my exit and brings all of your moral support anyway penis support let's move on to hot and heavy hardware hot and heavy talk about some hardware that's hot heavy huh I guess that pretty much is it that's all you find it with starting with an article here from the Guru of 3d the Galax GeForce GTX 1080 TI whoo now the name yeah of course fastest single GPU is currently available from Nvidia right now this is a Hall of Fame edition from Galax it's got a white PCB it's got an all white cooler it has of course the over-the-top power delivery the galaxy always does with their Hall of Fame additions that backplate that's a nice-looking backplate I kind of like that nice this guys like silver but this is a by the with the quasar zone is where the pictures come from so this is a watermark not part of the back plate by the way mmm Hall of Fame logo right here is though so yeah 16 plus three-phase power delivery on this thing this crown across the top is LED lights up in LEDs RGB not clarified whether or not it's it's a RGB or not I feel like it will yet I feel like it would be yeah but who knows uh 3/8 pin PCI Express power connectors good lord this ridiculous good lalala marmots preparing green 8 pins 3/8 Jesus and then of course it is a triple slot design as you can see here from the profile views um not a whole lot of exhaust here going on in the back they listen very minimal it's an open ear here oh yeah yeah they're mainly go for that there's no that's gonna cool there's that triple 8 8 pin power delivery so Justin my opaque monstrous card here you can see the 16 plus three-phase power delivery here as well geez on the the board shot and yeah I really like the white PCBs that they do on the hall-of-fame cards they're they're very they're very cool look very nice galux makes the best white video cards so yeah there's there's pictures of this now speculation as to when it launches who knows galux has also been known to wait a very long time after a GPU actually launches to actually launched their special version of that GPU but hey they got all these pictures so maybe soon yeah maybe soon all right next up intel has launched octane this happened yesterday morning was when the embargo lifted obtain memory I should say obtain memory because obtain refers to a family of products from Intel based on 3d crosspoint technology obtain memory is very specifically these little 32 and 16 gig Wow look how big that dude drives and dot 2 drives yes big picture right there this article is from PC perspective is written by Allen Melvin tano and in my opinion not that I read all of these obtain memory articles on the web but I think this one is really really good so again if you guys want to check it out it's liked in the description so 3d crosspoint won't really go into but it's brand-new technology it's essentially a replacement slight NAND flash the NAND flash chips that you have unlike an SSD you would use 3d crosspoint packages instead and it serves the ultimate function of storing bits of data just like NAND would do however it boasts a bunch of improved features like really really fast response time 10 micro second response time as compared to modern flat NAND flash which is about 90 microsecond response time the product actually launched by Intel today is for consumers for people at home and there's two options a 16 gig and a 32 32 gig version of this that costs either 44 or 77 dollars now if you're like why the hell would I want a 16 gig SSD or the 32 gig SSD would be a good question cash money Intel is setting these up as cache drives so that is what obtain memory refers to obtain memory is the caching function solution that Intel has created you could buy these drives and plug them in and simply use them as a 16 gig SSD or a 32 gig SSD constantly and alan in this article does take two 32 gig ones and plug them in and raid them up together which is kind of interesting and we'll take a look at least if you love their of his performance numbers from these but let's let's let's get back down to the point here which is that Alice was very impressed he was comparing this to the P 4800 X which is the $1500 Enterprise version of Intel's octane technology which is an optin SSD quality-of-service is what it comes down to with these drives you have to look very specifically at the very very small percentage of failures that the drives do quality of service in the 99th percentile 99.9 percent i'll 99.99% i'll and 99.999% i'll you're looking at the very very very few results that were shitty is basically what you're doing here which in a server environment makes a lot of sense which is why the P the P 1400 was the name of the P 4800 X is a really cool product now taking that and translating it over to usefulness for consumers at home who are setting this up as a cash drive it's harder to translate if you read this art the whole article you will find very very glowing terms that Alan describes this these drives in because the performance is really really good but the way that you measure that performance is in very just much more specific scenarios where you're looking at again the very very smallest number of actions that are taken by the drive that take the longest amount of time when he's looking at quality of service so I would encourage you guys to take a look at this article if you're interested in more there is also something to be said about powered power drama because these drives do use less power even SATA drives something in the range of 2 to 2.5 watts versus SATA drives that can use around five or six watts and all this is to say that ultimately what they're being used for is cash drives so like the way the weird thing is like we went we went to a tech day for this and the way Intel pitched these to us was like look at all of these people who are still using computers based on hard drives I'm like okay yeah and they're like yeah you a lot more than you then you would expect because we use SSDs you guys if you watch our shows probably use SSDs but Intel's like actually there's a lot of people still on hard drives like ok those people could really benefit from this ok you're probably right and as Alan test Alan's test show using one of these opt-in drives and pairing it up with a hard drive really good performance they're very good at caching they're very intelligent and how they cache the information and after you do something a few times making it much much faster much of the same way to Intel Smart Response technology worked 3 4 5 years ago when they first introduced that with it which I think was with like p67 and sandy sandy sandy bridge however I compared this to something like an SSD the simplicity of buying a single SSD and the level of expectation you'd have in actual measurable real-world performance from a person sitting and using a computer versus something happening in 10 microseconds versus 90 microseconds the responsiveness you get with an SSD is already there by and large for the most part I think what this product actually is is Intel's attempt at making a consumer part that doesn't cannibalize their enterprise part because they have enterprise parts that use obtain they use 3d cross points that are very fast that are more in the reasonable use range as far as capacity goes with like 375 gigabytes or I think they go up to 750 and beyond that if Intel was to take 3d crosspoint and throw it in a consumer drive and give you like hey here buy a 256 gig intel SSD based on 3d crosspoint I think they would be very much hurting their enterprise business because if it's the same technology if it had it's still the same it has the same durable that's one of the great advantages of 3d crosspoint as well as durability so I think this is kind of a stopgap way of actually taking the technology and selling it to people in such a way that yes well will help some people but it's such a niche benefit again it's going to benefit people with hard drive who are using hard drives right now it only works with Intel Z 270 and KB Lake yeah that's so you can't take this and take someone with a four-year old system and drop it in and use it like here upgrade to your cache rat which I think would be a great use case for something like this you have to have Z 217 KB Lake yeah which means you're buying a whole new system which means your benefit for most people who are stuck on hard drives I feel like it's really thrown out the window what's something like this so yeah it only makes sense if it's an upgrade in your in your few year old system right otherwise it's like why not just build a full system from the ground up and just replace your hard drive with an SSD the larger capacity this makes sense if you have like a laptop with just a hard drive in it and it's getting slow and you know if they're really targeting this at people that are still in hard drives here in 2017 they're obviously not super tech savvy so they're probably also the same kind of person that wouldn't want to migrate all the data on your hard drive over to a brand new SSD Intel can just be like look just take this just add it to your existing hardware and it's all taken care of you don't have to transfer files over from one drive to another you just pop this in it's just a little add-on but you can't even do that because it's requiring you to upgrade to a modern gen platform this which I yeah so yeah silly pairing an octane memory SSD with a hard drive will make that hard drive for form like an SSD that's kind of cool pairing it with a sort of mid-level mediocre performance SSD will make that SSD perform faster as well that's also kind of cool what if you up from any update for me though I'd rather just buy a 250 gig SSD or a 500 gig SS the straight up right out of the gates I'm very interested in consumer based regular capacity drives based on opting in the future obtain memory I don't I don't see I don't see a huge place for that in the current landscape again for the reasons we've discussed so there we go but again guys check out the article if you want because I get Alan did a really good job testing it out he even like tested against floppy drive and you aren't you doing a video on obtain soon Paul no oh why this was my video a nap teen Vincent all the coverage it really needs I covered up teen I covered up teen right after I went to the events this is true and yeah and that's that was sufficient and tell segment Intel sent me a system with an octane drive in it which I was like why don't you just send me the opt-in Drive they sent me the system I owe it I don't have I don't have anything to do with it we'll figure it out later anyway alright Biostar is launching mini ITX am for motherboards we've kind of discussed this a little bit there appear to be closer to launch ready to launch maybe these are going to be available now I looked at tried to find these on Amazon and Newegg just before the show started and I was not able to find them but all that said hey my auntie axiom for boards why would you need an X 370 mini ITX board that's a good catch analogy PU there's no point for it but never mind that mini ITX am for boards yay yeah that's gonna in itself so they have two of these the bio star racing X 370gt N and B 350gt n the one shown here is B I can't tell if you're heavy can you tell just look sugar is there a label on here anywhere says how you know it's b4 here you just leave locator no there there little bear the exact same layout they're like the exact same board kept saying some pictures with like one of the heatsinks was yellow they added color that must be the more expensive one potentially but I'm totally it could be totally wrong they're not really sure they could have changed the design oh that one's only gonna four pin CPU for interesting maybe I wonder if the X 370 has eight pin well both of these are going to support 95 watt and for processor so that will go up to your 1800 X level ddr4 speeds up to 3200 megahertz there is an m dot 232 gigabit gigabit per second 20 to 60 or 20 to 80 slot it's on the back which is not visible in these pictures because there's only a picture of the Front's there is a picture of the i/o there look on the other both dubia or pen it looks like yeah aesthetically they look exactly the same yes I'm sure ok umm yeah it has a 50/50 LED Funzone with dual 5050 LED headers honest which is as you know RGB right cuz everything needs RGB to 2 LED hitters though I mean I guess some people might be interested in that their software is called vivid LED DJ and I don't want to ever use it in my life if I can avoid it just because the name I'm sorry the LED software that I've had to deal with has been mediocre - okay and I really don't have high hopes for bio stars version of that nevertheless the ex 370gt n is $129 the be 350gt n is $109 don't bother with the x3 70 because the x3 70 gives you capability to have two-way crossfire and SLI support which you have no access to on a mini ITX board so never pay 20 extra bucks for an x3 70 version of this board you should only ever buy the beauty export for that matter yeah there's supposed to be an x3 7 X 300 chipset for a m4 but we haven't seen any boards based on it yet but that would be a more sensible chipset to use for motherboard all that said BIOS tour has obviously put in a lot of effort to be the first with a name for mini ITX board and who knows maybe you'll be able to actually buy them at retail soon we don't really know it's launched it's not launched I'm not sure geez AOC and Porsche geez two names that go together like I don't know what they go together like but hey new monitors by OSI and Porsche se has actually a couple new monitors there they look like this they were code designed with Porsche studio at a Porsche to be specific why is Porsche in on this I don't know it reminds me of Thermaltake collaborating with BMW design works USA for their original level 10 design you remember that yeah I remember that anyway though these are the PDS 2 for 1 and PDS 2 7 1 24 and 27 inch monitors respectively they do look fancy but the specs are decidedly pedestrian 250 candles 4 meter square maximum brightness thousand to 1 contrast ratio there eh IPS screens they're only 1920 by 1080 resolution though 4 millisecond response time and 60 Hertz refresh rate so they've taken a mediocre somewhat passable screen and put it in what appears to be like a fancy designed circular around stand thing that was designed by Porsche this belongs in like a modern medical office yes yeah it's very thin as you can see here so there are no rooms for actual usable ports on there so there's a little breakout box you can kind of see in this picture right here that contains the power plug in a single HDMI port which is how you connect its sign in the back it connects that's the breakout box with the plug on it connects to the base via a type-c connector a USB type-c connector as far as they could tell at least and it also looks like one of those stupid designs it doesn't have a base amount on it because they made it a fancy slim design so that's screw would just go straight through the monitor yeah just straight to the monitor I hate monitors that have fancy looking stands that don't have base amounts on the monitor themselves these will be released in June 240 and $330 respectively for the 2 to 24 and 27 inch version and I mostly brought this up to tell people don't buy them don't do it yes yay time for sword fight yay sort by circuit so fight you Kyle and I argue about things ok I'm uh we're gonna start off with the is this oh yeah we'll start off with this here Google is creating ad blocking software there's conspiracy theories about why are you doing that why would they do that Kyle because they're Google they can do whatever they want you want to do that you're trying to psych us out yeah I'm probably trying to think that probably are get us to think that they've gone crazy that's true making us underestimate them until they fire back with their self-aware machines blocking all the ads I think you're I think you've probably got a pretty good idea of what's going on your cow but yeah what is scuttlebutt has it that Google is working on ad blocking software that will be actually integrated directly into Chrome so there's details here the article discusses we're not going to worry about those we're just going to argue about this should Google be allowed to make it ad blocker and integrate it with Chrome what do you think yes yes but isn't that kind of Google it makes money - no it's clearly conflict of interest or no because I really like existing adblock options and they don't need competition what do you think cap oh I'm gonna say yeah I don't care yeah go ahead make an ad blocker I have this theory that their ad blocker won't actually block ads like like people still get paid and we'll still charge advertisers even though people are using their adblock I still have some kind of weird some sanity tell the advertisers that the ad was viewed but then not actually show the ad exactly I'd be pretty yeah which which works for us right because we're youtubers ands like all of our all of our viewers are like dude it's like I'm wasted like I've got YouTube read but I don't even pay 10 bucks a month for it don't have to view ads and we're still like like everyone wins you know the only one who doesn't win is the advertisers but screw them they've been winning for long enough I say implement the shady Google adblock and we win we get more money don't you like money Paul Vince you like more of it for yourself I do like more money then try to argue against it right now okay so I'm assuming you were saying yes yes a thousand times yes so I'm gonna say yes but isn't isn't ads how Google makes money - because that's the weird thing that stood out to me about this is because Google is largely based on ads google has created an entire business based on one being able to provide information to people and to being able to attach some form of advertisements to that information which I mean I use Google products and I use Google services because I think it's a fairly reasonable trade-off I don't mind being shown an ad here there for something if it means that I can get something for free i watch youtube videos and i watch a brief ad beforehand and you know what I don't mind liking my mind out for ten seconds or whatever or ignoring whatever stupid ad shows there because I don't typically like to watch ads and then getting on with whatever the heck is shown there it's a reasonable business model that makes money for the parties that are involved and gives some exposure to the people who are providing ads so that's what doesn't make sense to me so yes I'd like to see that happen because who doesn't like a nice ad blocker integrated into your browser at least as long as you have the capability to whitelist specific websites specifically mean cows YouTube channels um I think that's fine yeah so alright what if it only blocked like non Google ads that would be see that again that would be answer three clearly a compliment idea quite quite quite clearly indeed okay results from what people say I think so far I win you in this an ads how Google make money too but most people most people do want it so yeah it'll be nice to have it there but there's some weird questions about this this wasn't an article that I went into completely in depth but it is linked in the description if you guys want to read about it a little bit more and of course if you didn't have a chance to vote right now or if we are looking at the votes too quickly these straw polls will still be open if you got to continue to vote cool next up here's an article from motherboard vice.com specifically about Apple and Apple repair companies the companies like the license at Apple license Apple repair service companies it's been revealed by some documentation from their their their program that they have to work with the licensed Apple repair service companies the basically Apple has a very specific exclusions for recycling just in that you're not allowed to recyclers have to shred all iPhones and MacBooks you're not allowed to reuse them you're not allowed to harvest parts from them to repair other devices you're not allowed to resell them at all you just got to shred them up divide them into their constituent base components and then I assume go on the environment somewhere or something like this all the anti like or I guess like environmentalists I would say are the ones being triggered by this well did depends depends how you look at it I mean because you can take you can take something like that you can shred it and then you can still recycle the parts that are shredded up however Apple saying dispose of them like do not recycle them even if you have never recycling is okay but you can't reuse them okay and you can't repair them two different times the right to repair is something that a lot of people especially in the maker space or in communities where where you you want to adopt a mentality not of using something and then throwing it away and getting a new one but using something using it as much as you can and if that thing is functional for you and works well to repair that thing that it breaks and keep using it and use it as long as you might possibly be able to write it's kind of like saying there can be no organ donors yeah and when it comes to electronic at a perfectly good heart the mint app yeah the mentality of taking electronics like like my GH for broke like the HDMI out doesn't work on oh well I'm just gonna go buy a gh v you know like that's that kind of BS right that people do like yourself that's what I did last week people great I'm hypocrite but point is we're going to argue this right now Apple sucks because of this so how much more should we hate them there's several options here obviously the people can choose from so feel free to peruse those I will post in chat theoretically and since I went first last time I'm going to go first this time okay of course I got a postseason chat first um how much more should we hate them I'm going to say I'm going to say option two I thought I hated Apple as much as I could hate Apple is that a Beasley Apple sucks like that's a terrible company the products they make are you know they're all shiny and fancy but really internally they're they're not all that great I'm sure you know the software they have software an operating system and stuff and protect people from FBI and that kind of thing but who cares about all that what we really care about is the ability to reuse the stuff that we buy the ability to say take an operating system and install it on a piece of hardware that wasn't made by a specific company that's called Apple and the ability to do what we want with the stuff that we buy like if I buy a product I should be able to do whatever the hell I want with it which includes repairing it which includes taking pieces of that product and pizzas of a different product and combining them together to make a new product that works better and it's faster that sentient that has the ability to think and become a better living organism than people are to eventually replace people and point is I thought I thought I hated Apple before but now wait is that what I was arguing for new number two I'm number two I thought I hated him before but then I found out about this that I'm super pissed off now you hate him even more Apple sucks okay I'm gonna say that I was already at maximum hate there's no more hate hate this doesn't surprise me that Apple would pull some kind of like this it wouldn't put it past them in a million years so when this news came out I was like still hates you the same I still hates you at a hundred percent I can't go beyond 100 percent Paul I can't do it 100 percent is maximum your dials don't go to eleven I wish I had a dial that went to eleven for how much I hate Apple but unfortunately that dial has already been set to 11 if only it went to 12 Dallas don't go to 12 cap no they don't um that's that's all I have to say I am NOT drunk what are you talking about chat you're drunk nonsense okay let's see what people think about this one kidding curious curious with results are I look I won again yeah well it was very close I was not expecting to win you can give it a couple minutes but most people were already right up there like straw already hit an apple but now maybe a little bit more yeah now maybe I still hate Apple I have to agree with and there was everyone there was 18% that were tolerant of Apple but now they wish shell phones would explode in painful ways that's violent it's very violent of course you also haven't life threatening though that's have same as option 3 but people die did you what I did that was dark I kind of like that one I tried to argue I was gonna argue and I was like no I don't I don't have it any right now we have seven percent that think it is a reasonable and profitable business practice when the economics of scarcity are considered and they also be all over public clothes and up clean up afterwards gross that's disgusting that's really depressing all right well we have we've just plowed through my content for this half of the show but don't worry don't worry it's almost dinnertime yeah we are going to wrap up my half with a bit of answer questioning question answering I should say we should question all the answers and answer all the questions what do we go yeah I don't know I've I've lost track of everything okay no wait that's that's my half Paul Saif um yeah I need to open the windows well the $50 was for you it was Sam you a bomb nice nice a mom why did it pop up on my chest her cell might have just taken it cuz he knew it was on your half but then moved to my half hobby I'm talking about it true that's fine Cody for $10 Paul do you dress to the left or to the right asking for a friend do I dress to the left or to the right yeah like you know I'm right in the middle I'm right I'm right down the center we me too I think right nothing that's that's what I that's sort of try to go for I think I'm answering that question correctly but I'm not yeah Kota okay crazy bro maverick metals $5 y'all should do a live PC for a giveaway and also Kyle how is the VR fit challenge going oh yeah um it's going really well honestly I think I'm on week 2 right now I've been doing it four times a week consistently nice it's a lot of it's a lot of work but it's kind of cool because I have to like clear out my office every time I do it so it like forces me to clean my room Oh give me a few days so there's no like pilot problem happening it's really nice and I do feel like a bit more energetic from doing it I mean I've exercised regularly in the past believe it or not and I felt energized then and I feel energized now for for doing the VR thing so I think part two of the the video will be pretty interesting to see how much weight I lose I guarantee you that I will lose something I can't say how much but there'll be an amount I'm curious yeah also there were I think there was a couple other donations a bomb was on my half so thank you a bomb very sure that $50 donation wonderful black unicorn gaming donated to box and said show nips for tips nips for tips hey you tipped first you gotta you gotta you got to demand that first yeah and then tip because right now we already got your tip giving me he'll receive don't need the shore tips indeed Marcus Legrand said he dropped another SEK 20 on us and he said SEK is Swedish currency by the way yeah cuz he donated on your half as well and he said thanks for the answer you're very welcome markets thank you so much for your donations speak anim Cotto's and then we had 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position he asked us advice about it I believe if I remember correctly you to remember that's fine I sort of remember I sort of remember - I'm not a minute don't get me wrong if I was stressed for details here I would not be able to answer them very appropriately so it seems like he's still waiting to see if he guess you put is Lucas good luck good luck with your homework I hope you do a good job thank you for your donation finally Alex Henry five dollar donation I hate Paul this question is for Kyle actually how is the go anywhere PC holding up with the cutout it's good I honestly haven't used it too much since for a while now it's been several months but I am planning to upgrade it with a new graphics card as well as a mini ITX a.m. for board once those are available perhaps one of the biostar be 350 s that we just talked about a Baku I think it's it's due for an upgrade but so far it's been holding up even with that little modification that I made cutting out the part of the crossbar seems to be very rigid especially when it's all like you know when the cover is actually screwed down nice and tight that sort of provides some extra rigidity so she's saying you can like fold it in half now like in a quarter yeah it's actually a feature now that it crumples that's it's great for corrects is very very portable that way yeah okay I have a few Johnson shout outs l-3 looks like first one goes to Patrick Thank You Patrick he got some pub a got the pub glass patrique from Indiana thank you so much Patrick I got one from Brendan Brandon double Johnson ah double Johnson for Brandon my blast oh we got the pint glass and the pub Wes so you have plenty of drinking receptacles and finally Brian from Wisconsin thank you so much Brian hey about the time screw decal I got one from Daniel from Illinois thank you very much for picking up a pint glass sue lovely oh wait I have one more that just came in moments ago want me to for Michael yeah Michael hey Michael Johnson the lastly Anson for you because here on certian for shirt thumbscrew decal cpu cooler shirts and the tri-blend shirt fabulous thank you sir wonderful yep all right and you know that wraps it up for awesome hardware for this week episode 103 in the can it's been great it's been great you guys have been great I've had a great time it's been wonderful yeah we're gonna we're gonna be trying to bring back the after-party starting next week yeah not this week but next week Paul needs a new gaming streaming system yeah if you don't notice he gave away his only one system that was right back there has not been replaced yet and I don't have a system that's set up for proper games all this hardware you have a system that you can game in stream on I know it's really stable to the people watching this have more than you don't have much excuse for this but pitiful I'm going to fix it soon of course there is a very slim chance that something might happen so stay tuned to our Twitter's if you guys are 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